Dec
08

Yanks passed on final opportunity to get involved in Wilson bidding

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Via Bob Klapisch, the Yankees were apparently given a final opportunity to get involved in the C.J. Wilson bidding last night, but chose to pass on the offer. Wilson agreed to sign with the Angels for five years and nearly $80M this morning.

The Yankees didn’t appear to be all that interested in the southpaw this winter despite their pitching questions, and in fact we’ve heard that they view him as more of a number three or four type starter than the frontline guy he was marketed as and will be paid to be. With Wilson and Mark Buehrle now off the market, Edwin Jackson is best true free agent starter left standing. Yu Darvish is going to be posted soon though, and the Yankees reportedly have “cautious interest.”

Categories : Asides, Hot Stove League

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  1. JobaWockeeZ says:

    That’s actually a fair price for Wilson. But we already have Burnett so they probably don’t want to keep dishing out 15+ million for multiple starters.

    I just hope they actually get someone.

  2. theyankeewarrior says:

    They know much more than us, but jeez 5/77.5? What else are they looking for?

    • Need Pitching says:

      that’s the hometown discount price, Marlins offered 6years at more $, so Yankees would have likely had to beat Marlins offer to sign Wilson

      • Mister Delaware says:

        Unless the idea of pitching for that team was so unappetizing that they were never a serious consideration, just a price driver.

  3. Tom T says:

    That’s a fair price, but $80M is $80M. Can’t blame the Yanks for remaining patient with their self-imposed budget looming and a potential superior class next year.

  4. thenamestsam says:

    Small quibble, but he’s really not being paid as frontline guy. Factoring in some aging and inflation going forward, they’re really paying him for about 3.75 wins next year. For 2011 that puts him in a class with John Lester, Tim Hudson, Edwin Jackson, Anibal Sanchez, etc. Those are fine pitchers, but I wouldn’t call them front line guys. He’s being paid like a middle of the rotation starter, and while it sounds like the Yankees would have had to pay him far more (since he took a discount to go to California), it seems like they should have at least been sniffing around this.

    • mackeyse says:

      lester is front line IMO but agree with you on the other 4

    • I am not the droids you're looking for... says:

      Your definition of front line and mine are obvusly different. Lester? Seriously? He is front line IMO.

      As for the analysis of what happened I disagree. In fact I think the fact that he came back around to us before agreeing with the Halos means that he would most likely *not* have been looking to bend us over a barrel. To the contrary my gut tells me that a roughly equal offer would’ve landed him in pinstripes. Sort of shades of Beltran way back when. Not saying he would’ve taken less from us than he got from the Halos. Again, I think equal or slightly better and he’s ours.

      The Marlins offer was for six years but only a few million more, and he obviously had no desire to play there. He wouldn’t have requested a meeting with us, *and* offered us one last chance, if he had no desire to come here at a somewhat reasonable price. And I don’t think he was simply looking to parlay an offer from us into more $ or years from the Halos bc he already had an offer for more years and $ with which to try that tack.

      I rarely regret missing on a big(gish) FA but I have a bad feeling about this one. I think he is going to more than earn the $ in that contract. In fact in the other thread I predicted that his will be the most cost effective FA signing (in terms of cost/win) of all the FAs this year over the life of said contracts. The fact that he’ll be playing for those ever pesky Halos, with Pujols, and the new playoff format, makes me even more bummed.

      • CP says:

        I think it depends on how you look at Lester. His 2011 was a significant drop off from his 2008-2010 performances. Looking at a one year sample, he was not a front line pitcher in 2011. In the grand scheme of things, he is a frontline caliber pitcher.

      • Need Pitching says:

        why would he spurn his hometown, where he chose to play for a discount over what the Marlins offered, to come to the Yankees for same or similar? He has no connection to the Yankees, the Yankees likely would have needed to outbid the Marlins to land Wilson

        • I am not the droids you're looking for... says:

          His personality is outsized. He tweets. He does commercials. Magazine covers, etc. iow, he’s a media whore. Yes LA is a monster media market, but Anaheim ain’t exactly LA, and NY is the capital. He asked us for a meeting. No other team as far as we know. He gave us one last chance to enter the fray. And he already had a higher $ and year offer from another team (so he wasn’t simply looking to use us to get the Halos higher). To me, you add those things up and they obviously point to some fairly strong interest on his part to come here. Again, not saying he’d take less than he got from the Halos, but to me signs points clearly to it it taking much more for him to have been in pinstripes.

          • I am not the droids you're looking for... says:

            It *not taking

          • Need Pitching says:

            his agent wanted to see if the Yankees wanted to come in with the highest offer. It’s clear by the discount he gave the Angels, that he preferred going to the Angels. Angels give him hometown and big media market, the only thing the Yankees could offer to sway him would be more money.

          • Greg Price says:

            Add the fact that with the Yankees he would have a better chance of finally winning that elusive ring. For that it would’ve been worth letting them match the Angels’ offer. I don’t think you’re far off, here.

      • thenamestsam says:

        I’m definitely with you about regretting on missing on him, even more so if he was legitimately interested and would have taken a deal similar to the one he accepted.

        As for Lester, my point was what CP mentioned below. He is very good and still might get better, but last year he threw 190 innings with a 3.83 FIP. Very good, but not in that top tier.

        • I am not the droids you're looking for... says:

          Agree on both counts. Time will tell whe Lester goes from here, and whether 2011 is his new new, or a one year aberration.

          On Wilson, yup we’ll likely never know, but I can’t escape the gut feeling that we could’ve had him for say 5/80, which I think would’ve been worth it, especially as next year’s FA SP class will likely continue to shrink.

          • Rookie says:

            If the Yankees actually had a chance, I would agree with you.

            But I suspect his agent was just using the Yankees to try to squeeze a few more dollars out of the Angels before he signed there. But we’ll never know.

  5. Fin says:

    If the Rangers didnt want to pay him that, then he probably isnt worth it. Its not like the Rangers dont have money and they seemed to have about as much interest as the Yankees did. They know him far better than anyone else does.

    • Holy Ghost says:

      I think the announcement by his agent that he was looking for six years and 120 million probably discouraged a lot of teams from getting involved in negotiations. Perhaps the Rangers felt, if he’s looking for that much money they should let him go.

      His taking a contract for only 15 million per season probably surprised a lot of people.

  6. JU says:

    Jon Lester isn’t a frontline guy? You have some serious standards my friend.

  7. IB6 UB9 says:

    I’m convinced that the Yankees have been all in on Darvish from the start and Wilson, Buehrle, Danks/Floyd, EJax are all non-issues or later options.

    Darvish and Cespedes as the big ticket items and let Cashman tinker at the edges like last season.

    • Fin says:

      I agree and I thought they would get Darvish easily. Howerver, with the Marlins loosing out on Puljos and Wilson, I’m afraid they will throw that money in on Darvish.

      • anon says:

        They cant afford the posting fee up front like that. All the spending they have been doing is on back loaded contracts.

  8. dean says:

    5/77 sounds ok for Wilson but I doubt the Yanks could have signed him for that.

    • Steve (different one) says:

      This. CJ left money on the table to play 15 minutes from his house.

      • I am not the droids you're looking for... says:

        Guys come on…he requested a meeting with one team. Us. He gave us one last chance to enter the fray. Us. And he already had an offer for more $ and years from another team, so he wasn’t just trying to use us to get the Halos higher. Add that all up and signs point clearly to the likelihood that we could’ve had him for something similar.

        • Need Pitching says:

          1) you have no way of knowing if he requested meetings with other teams
          2) every free agent wants the Yankees involved because they spend the most money. They want to go to the Yankees because they spend the most money.
          3) Why would he give a team 3000 miles away with the highest revenues and highest payroll a hometown discount?

          I’m sure he would have gladly signed with the Yankees if they made the best offer, but there is no logical reason he would give them a hometown discount.

  9. Rich in NJ says:

    It may be that the Yankees’ payroll constraints will prevent them from making big offers to players that they don’t view as having top-tier talent.

  10. Soam says:

    5/77 is a lot less than I thought Wilson would get, and I would have been totally okay with the Yanks signing him for that price. I think Wilson is better than he often gets credit for around these parts. Since becoming a starter his numbers are very similar to John Lester, who in this very thread has been labeled a no doubt front end guy by many. He definitely has his flaws, but I think the cost was worth the risk.
    I have been hoping we would get Darvish all along, he’s 25, he’s got the highest upside, and it would be the smartest play financially since the posting fee doesn’t factor into luxury tax equations. I hope the Yanks are more interested than they’ve let on. I like Edwin Jackson, but I think he’s a game 3 starter and this team really needs a game 2 starter.

    • Rookie says:

      I agree 100% with you about Wilson and Darvish.

      And I suspect that Darvish won’t be a whole lot cheaper than Wilson, if at all, and that, as you say, Wilson’s a whole lot better than people give him credit for — except historically in the postseason. And the postseason may just be a matter of running out of gas — which would be understandable since he’s only been a starter for two or three years.

  11. 28 this year says:

    Its really annoying hearing people think Cashman isn’t onto Yu because he hasn’t come out and say it. I just don’t how people don’t understand that telling everyone you’re going big isn’t going to help in anyway, and it will just drive up the price unnecessarily.

    • RISP FTW says:

      Aree, posting is different then the normal FA process. When CC was a FA the Yanks could say we want him and it didn’t hurt because if someone else offered him a ton of money his agent could just go back to NY and get more, but with Darvish you don’t get a chance to counter instead you have to hope your first number is the best, therefore it’s better if everyone thinks your intrest is minimal so their first number is smaller because they don’t want to out bid themselves.

      I personally would bet on NY landing Darvish as I believe he’s been their primary and possibly only target all along, but we’ll see.

      • thenamestsam says:

        Also the Yankees have done plenty to indicate that they have a strong interest. They’ve been scouting the guy for years, and they’ve reportedly had lots of scouts in attendance recently. Why would they have continually sent scouts to see him if they were really uninterested.

        Besides that there are plenty of people with connections who seem to be expecting the Yankees to make a large bid despite their public comments. I’m reading literally nothing into what Cashman says publicly. The Tigers, and Red Sox have both denied having strong interest, and the Rangers supposedly aren’t willing to spend $100M. I wouldn’t bet against any of those teams bidding either. Everyone is posturing at this point.

    • Jumpin' Jack Swisher says:

      The nature of the rumor wire, as well, is that for every report you’ll read saying one thing, there will be another one saying the opposite in an hour.

  12. 28 this year says:

    Honestly the team that scares me the most with the Darvish bidding is the Blue Jays. They have plenty of money and in general, a desire to make a splash. They have an untapped market and I feel they might go above the Red Sox’s Dice-K bid.

    • Mister Delaware says:

      Yup.

    • thenamestsam says:

      Everyone has been saying they have a desire to make a splash this whole year, but there doesn’t seem to be much evidence for it. People were talking about them as a possible destination for Pujols, Prince, Wilson, etc. all year long but so far they’ve been completely silent. I think they know they’re a couple years away still and they’re content to let things develop.

    • aluis says:

      If so where do the Yankees draw the line? At $60M? $70M $80M?

  13. well you know says:

    2011 slash line against

    CJ Wilson

    .232/.302/.350

    CC Sabathia

    .255/.305/.361

    To me, that’s the most pertinent stat line (I’m not impressed by WAR). Wilson was just as good as CC in 2011 and much, much better over the last two months of the season.

    The “track record” thing can be looked at the other way as much more wear and tear on CC’s arm and shoulder than on Wilson’s.

    Yanks are way overpaying CC at $24M AAV. Should have dared him to opt out and, if he did, spread the dough around.

    Cashman was saying nice things about Wilson right after the season ended, said he was the best pitcher on the market. Then came the episode where CJ’s agent said he had a meeting set up with the Yankees and Cashman didn’t like that.

    • Soam says:

      Pretty sure CJ’s agent only requested a meeting with cashman. Didn’t imply he already had one set up. It seems your implying Cashman passed on Wilson because his agent ticked him off, which is completely ludicrous. Yanks were never in on Wilson, and that gives me a feeling that either 1) They are going all in for Darvish or 2)Their budget restraints are very real, and they aren’t going to sign any big deals this offseason.

      • well you know says:

        No, I don’t think Yanks would have been in on Wilson anyway because of payroll (which includes paying too much to CC).

        My point is that Cashman did say right after the season ended that Wilson was the number one pitcher available. Then came the episode with CJ’s agent shooting his mouth off. Not only did he say he had a meeting set up with the Yankees he also made a crack about Cliff Lee getting away from Cashman. Then the Yanks started leaking negative comments about Wilson.

    • Guns of the Navarone says:

      So luck doesn’t exist in baseball? And the defense that plays behind both pitchers do not factor in at all?

      If you look at a pitcher’s triple slash line and ERA and ignore other factors you are severly limiting your baseball knowledge. And it shows in your post.

      • well you know says:

        I said most pertinent. Of course, other factors play a part. If CJ pitched in Oakland, rather than Arlington, I wouldn’t take his slash line at face value.

        As for the luck factor, I’m willing to give CC the twenty point difference in batting average as possibly luck-influenced. That still leaves them pretty much even, which is all I said.

        Wilson’s strikeout ratio was pretty close to CC’s. They gave up virtually the same amount of HRs. I look at all the stats, I just think the slash line sums it up pretty well for 2011.

    • Mister Delaware says:

      Both lefties, Andrus >>> Jeter

    • Need Pitching says:

      CJ – fewer K’s/9, more walks/9, fewer innings, and pitched in much weaker offensive division
      CC>>Wilson

      • CP says:

        CC>>Wilson

        While true, it doesn’t mean the Wilson isn’t a very good pitcher.

      • well you know says:

        I’ll give you that he got to pitch more against the M’s and A’s.

        But he also pitched much better than CC did against Boston and Tampa, which makes that distinction less compelling.

    • Jose M. Vazquez.. says:

      Those stats that you illustrate for Wilson were mostly earned in the AL West and he did not have to pitch to the only good team in his division his own. CC on the other hand had to do it against the ALEast, the best division in baseball.

    • Rookie says:

      I think you nailed it. I think C.J. Wilson is every bit as good a pitcher as C.C. And for all the concern that he’s only been starting for two or three years, and therefore you can’t count on him, in my mind C.C.’s problem knee and weight combine to make him a greater health risk than Wilson.

      It’s unknowable, of course. But I would think that Wilson’s WAR over the next five or six years is likely to be greater than C.C.’s. And for 60% of the money? Wow!

      I agree with you on all counts.

  14. Steve (different one) says:

    If we believe the reports that the Marlins offered $96m/6, it explains the Yankees position quite easily. Wilson took less from the Angels because he’s from southern California.

    The Yankees would have had to beat the Marlin’s offer, not the Angel’s offer. It’s not like the Yankees could have simply matched the Angels offer and landed him….CJ himself said he could have gotten over $100M, take that with a grain of salt I guess.

    • I am not the droids you're looking for... says:

      Your logic is flawed bc it leaves out the quite likely possibility that he wanted to play here.

      -we are perennial contenders
      -we are the world’s media capital (yes, larger than LA, and Anaheim ain’t exactly LA) and he is a media whore
      -he asked us for a meeting, no other team
      -he offered us one last chance
      -he already had the Marlins offer for more $ and years, so he wasn’t trying to use us simply to jack up the Halos price

      Add these things up and I come to the opposite conclusion as you. I think we could’ve had him for marginally more than the Halos offer.

      • Need Pitching says:

        his agent asked us for a meeting, every Free Agent wants the Yankees involved because they have the most money to spend
        They offered one last chance because the Yankees have the most money to spend and wanted to see if the Yankees wanted to sneak in with a big offer like they did with Tex

    • radnom says:

      The Yankees would have had to beat the Marlin’s offer, not the Angel’s offer.

      This is just as much of an assumption as saying that the Yankees could have had him for the Angel’s offer. For all we know he had no desire to go to the Marlins and would have accepted something between the two offers from the Yankees.

      Wasn’t a good fit though, I’m glad they passed.

      • Steve (different one) says:

        I suppose so. It’s possible he just didn’t want to go to Miami. But we have quotes right from the horse’s mouth: “I made an emotional decision, not a financial decision” and “as soon as I got the text that he Angels went to 5 years, I decided to sign”

        You are right, we don’t know if there was some in between offer from the yankees that he would have taken. But the quotes from CJ (which I paraphrased since I am on my phone) read to me like he knew what he wanted (5 years from Anaheim), as as soon as it was offered, he jumped.

        It’s refreshing in a way, I guess. But that’s my read on the situation fwiw.

  15. Jon L says:

    Somebody wake Cashman up and tell him there’s clearly talent out there for relatively low prices… If you can nab them for under the expected price it’s worth the risk, if you would call it that..

    • Need Pitching says:

      the only player that has signed for lower than expected price is Wilson, who only did so because he gave the Angels a big hometown discount that would not have been available to the Yankees

    • Jumpin' Jack Swisher says:

      I just woke him. He literally grabbed his crotch and said, “hey, send this to Jon L.”

  16. Nathan says:

    So is the plan for 2012 to simply repeat 2011 and throw Nova, Garcia, Hughes and Burnett behind CC and hope for the best while waiting out until next year’s FA class?

    I don’t believe that the Yankees should expect the same success in 2012 that they did in 2011 with a less than ideal rotation. The offense can slug it out with just about any team, yes but come playoffs the chinks in the rotation are exposed.

    Current rotation is simply too full of question marks (can Nova repeat, can Hughes rebound and can Garcia maintain) in addition to Burnett.

    • Guns of the Navarone says:

      Can Weaver repeat, is Wilson for real, can Santana stay healthy… see how that works?

      I know the Angels rotation is probably the best in the AL, but I’m just saying.

      • Nathan says:

        Of course. If you would have asked me before the season if the Yankee rotation would outperform the Red Sox rotation I would have laughed but things can happen.

    • Jumpin' Jack Swisher says:

      You don’t make a move for the sake of making a move. If there’s nothing that makes sense out there then, yes, you would stand pat. A lot can happen during the season, and they’re not exactly starting with zero either.

  17. Guns of the Navarone says:

    What does “cautious interest” mean anyway? You’re either interested or you aren’t. And the Yankees are interested. And you either make a bid that you are comfortable making AND feel will win you the rights to negotiate or you don’t bid at all. The Yankees aren’t going to be “cautious” and bid $20 million just because. You’re in it to win it. Everyone is playing coy right now.

    • Need Pitching says:

      they’ll bid based on what they feel Yu’s value is, they have no way of knowing what other teams will or won’t bid

      • Guns of the Navarone says:

        But I believe (and I think reasonably so) that there is a range that teams know will be bidding in. Precedent was set by the Matsuzaka bidding. So however you judge the market for Darvish’s services, you have something to go by. My point is that teams (the Yankees in particular) will bid to win. There is no “cautious interest.” Whether they win the bid or not is a different story.

        My point is I believe that Yankees are interested and are playing coy like every other team right now.

        • Need Pitching says:

          true, but I’m not sure the Matsuzaka bidding plays a huge role, since the 2 highest bidders then (Red Sox and Mets) likely won’t be bidding

          • Guns of the Navarone says:

            Really? I think it’s reasonable to assume the Red Sox would definitely be bidding. Although I don’t believe I’ve seen one report from a GM who said he would definitely be bidding on Darvish – which is the whole point.

          • JAG says:

            Well but the nature of that bidding itself plays a part. Remember that the winning bid was something like $51,111,111. would a straight $50mm have won it for the Red Sox? Sure. Their bid was specifically designed to game the system and ensure they were over by just enough, if it came down to it.

          • Rookie says:

            You actually believe Cherington when he says that the Red Sox won’t be bidding?

            For the elephants of MLB, for whom the luxury tax might come into play, Darvish is worth his weight in gold — actually closer to 50 times his weight in gold, I think.

  18. I found the Yanks’ public posturing regarding Wilson very interesting. I get not being interested, and I’m on board with that position, but if what we’ve heard/read is the truth, it seems a little strange for the Yanks to have taken themselves out of the conversation completely, since to have acted otherwise (even if only in public, while still showing no actual interest behind closed doors) would probably have, at the very least, driven up the price that a competitor would have had to pay.

    This whole thing makes me think about last offseason and how strangely I thought Cashman acted in some respects. Perhaps “strangely” isn’t the right word, I think I just sensed a change in his public demeanor and I found it interesting to note. Before the last couple of years I was more convinced he was very deliberate about his public statements/stances and was sort of above the system, if you will, and engaged in playing it a bit. The last couple of offseasons, though, it has seemed to me that something has changed. Like, in this situation… Why did Cashman make it so clear (so publicly) that he wouldn’t be interested in Wilson? I wonder sometimes if he’s proving a point to agents/players that he won’t be used that way, even if that point might come at the expense of possibly forcing some other team to pay a little more for a player. I’m not sure what he gains by doing it this way, while doing it other ways might produce some benefits.

    Of course, there are a ton of other possibilities. I also wonder if the hassle (due to the size of the Yanks’ market/media presence and attention/fanbase) of engaging in efforts to express interest only to drive up prices for other teams are just too annoying for the Yanks to want to deal with it.

    Just some random thoughts, not anything I think is a huge deal or anything (nor is it something I’ve performed exhaustive studies to analyze and I can’t provide footnotes/sources, just in case a certain someone pops into this thread).

    • Guns of the Navarone says:

      I believe it was Wilson’s agent who asked for a meeting with Cashman which was then declined. I don’t think Cashman publicly came out and said he declined to meet with him. That information was leaked…and I think it was a major mis-step by Wilson’s agent.

      The consensus all along coming from the Yankees’ camp was that they were not very interested in Wilson. But for all anyone knew that could have been posturing. The extent of their disinterst only came about after the meeting was declined, IMO.

      • Sure, but on the other hand… Why not take the meeting? You don’t have to even make the guy an offer, but to rebuff them completely (and you have to know that news will be made public in this day and age) probably served to take some of the pressure off the teams that actually wanted to sign the guy.

        Why not play the game a little bit and maybe drive up the price for someone else?

        • Guns of the Navarone says:

          I think there are a number of factors. I feel like the Yankees did a nice job of driving the price up on the Red Sox for Crawford. Cashman took him out to dinner if I recall correctly. So they do engage in that sort of thing. But for one, perhaps the Yankees knew the Red Sox were not major players for Wilson. I feel like if Wilson was the Red Sox top target things would have played out differently.

          Feigning interest is nice and all if it’s through media. But when face-to-face meetings and dinners are involved it becomes a waste of time for all intents and purposes.

          • The Crawford thing is a good point and I’m totally going off a combo of gut reaction and whatever I happen to remember at the moment, so it’s entirely possible that I’m just remembering what I want to remember.

            I don’t get your point about taking the Wilson meeting, though. A waste of time for all intents and purposes? That’s silly. An hour or two hour meeting with a guy and his agent isn’t going to blow a hole in anyone’s schedule.

            • Also… In one breath, you point out (and it’s quite relevant) that they did meet with Crawford, ostensibly, to drive up the price a bit, and then say that a face-to-face meeting with Wilson would have been a waste of time. Just not sure how that line of reasoning is relevant

              • CS Yankee says:

                I get what your saying and maybe the commish asked everyone not to “play” that way since it only drives up everyones costs in spite of the other teams interest.

                Be true and persue what you desire, but don’t lead any false messages or something along that line.

                The Crawford thing was classless, and Cashman should stay above board. Say what you mean, mean what you say.

                • Guns of the Navarone says:

                  Nonsense. It’s all part of the game. Theo talked to Mo and admitted to trying to drive up his price if I recall correctly.

              • Guns of the Navarone says:

                Well my point was that Crawford was a target of the Yankees biggest rival. That could have played into why they chose to engage in certain tactics with him and not with Wilson.

                I also don’t think Wilson was a “premier” free agent, so to speak. Meaning I don’t think anyone had him pegged as a $100 million + player. He was going to get what he was going to get. Driving up the price on Crawford who was set to get a huge payday plus had drawn big time interest from the Red Sox may have been worth the Cashman’s time.

                Driving up the price for the Marlins and Angels (I don’t consider the Rangers serious bidders) on a $75-$85 million player could have been small potatoes.

                But of course I’m just thinking out loud and really have no clue.

    • anon says:

      There’s always a reason with Cashman.

      http://twitter.com/#!/Buster_E.....6952767489

      Being honest about Wilson potentially legitimizes this bluff.

      • Touche, that’s entirely possible. I’ve been thinking about the last couple of years and wondering why Cashman seems to always be acting this way lately (overly honest/forthcoming in some ways), but maybe I’m missing some of the long-game here and he’s still working on manipulating expectations and the market, just in different ways. I hope so.

    • Guns of the Navarone says:

      I wonder sometimes if he’s proving a point to agents/players that he won’t be used that way…

      I think this is a great point. I happen to believe that the Yankees are used by agents to drive the price up. That only makes too much sense. I also am of the opinion (in general) that teams ask more from the Yankees in trades. I think free agents ask for more money from the Yankees. And that is in part their fault because they have handed out some very player-friendly contracts. But perhaps Cashman has taken a hard stance recently to try and reverse this way of thinking. He has certainly been more direct.

  19. Guest says:

    It’s dumb to compare apples to oranges, but after the AJ Burnett experience I’m OK with not giving a ton of years and dollars to a 31 year old with a great year and spotty track record.

    Plus, no Wilson allows me to do the following.

    (Takes breath) Yuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu!!!!!!
    (Deep breath) Yuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu!!!!!!

  20. dkidd says:

    days like today get me to picturing that alternate timeline where the yanks aren’t buried under the a-rod contract

  21. Doc Holliday says:

    Unacceptable. This is an arms race and we aren’t keeping up. The Angels now have the best rotation in baseball by far and they have Albert. What do we have? Bloated contracts for old and declining players at 3B, SS, 1B. Find a way to dump Teixera and sign Price or just sign Price to be our DH.

    Jeter
    Granderson
    Cano
    Fielder
    Arod
    Teixera
    Swisher
    Montero
    Gardner

    That will help us compete with the Angels but we also need another arm ar two. Do what we paid you to do, Cashman.

    • CS Yankee says:

      Calm down George, it’ll be alright.

    • thenamestsam says:

      Really? The best rotation in baseball by far? The winds change so quickly. I feel like I just stopped hearing about the Phillies unbeatable rotation and the greatest Red Sox team of all time. The Angels finished ten games out of first last year with some career type years. They just added about ten wins of value for next year. Huge improvement, but all it does is get them in contention for their division. This team is not some juggernaut now. Everyone bitches constantly about Tex, but you know who Tex was right behind on the major league WAR leaderboard last year? Pujols. Pujols is going to be trying to drive in Bobby Abreu while protected by Torii Hunter and we’re ready to proclaim this team champions?

    • CJ says:

      Agreed. The balance of power shifted in 24 hours. Old plan is not good enough today sign prince trade for danks.

  22. steve s says:

    Also read that Pujols’s agent gave the Yanks a call this week to see if they had any last second interest. Maybe these stories are apocryphal but it looks like Agents for Dummies has a “call Cashman” checklist item before finalizing any free agent deal.

  23. Rookie says:

    I’m amazed that the Yankees weren’t interested in Wilson. And for me that begs the question why.

    Was it:
    (1) They really don’t think he’s that good?

    (2) They worry that he would continue to come up small in the post season?

    (3) They don’t want to give up the draft pick(s)?

    (4) They want less competition for Darvish?

    (5) Something else?

    No matter what the reason, I’m surprised that they would let it be out there that they don’t think he’s a #1. (A) It puts a chip on his shoulder when he’s pitching against the Yankees. (B) It might help a rival get him cheaper than they might otherwise. I don’t get it.

  24. Kevin says:

    Maybe it was watching how Wilson performed in the postseason that turned the Yankees off.

    • Rookie says:

      #2

      And maybe it has to do with the new baseball contract that has them intent on getting down below $189 million — because I can’t imagine that they think they have more than a 50% chance at best of landing Darvish. And I think it’s LESS than 50% — FAR less.

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