Open Thread: The Montero Write-Up


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Every year for the last five or six I’ve published my list of the Yankees’ top 30 prospects right before the start of Spring Training, and it’s a blast to look back and see how hilariously wrong I was on some guys. I wait until mid-February for a very specific reason, so I can take stock of the farm system after all the offseason trades have been made. As you know, Jesus Montero is on his way to the Mariners with just a quartet of physical exams holding things up, but I had already written up his capsule for the Top 30. Rather than just delete it all, I’m going to post it right here, right now…

1. Jesus Montero, C/DH, 22
Take a good look, because this will almost certainly be Montero’s last appearance on any prospect list. The Yankees and their fans caught their first glimpse of the wunderkind in September, as he produced a stout .421 wOBA with four homers in 69 big league at-bats in the season’s final month. That came after a sluggish May and June in Triple-A, during which time he was benched two games for a “lack of energy” as reports surfaced that he appeared bored with the minors’ highest level. Despite that, he set a career high with 22 homers in 2011 (majors and minors).

Montero’s calling card continues to be his mammoth power, particularly to the opposite field. That was on full display in September, when three of his four homers and two of his four doubles went out to right and right-center field. He also excels at getting the bat on the ball, at least relative to most power hitters (career 16.5% strikeout rate in the minors), though he doesn’t walk all that much (7.8%). All the hard contact he produces projects to a .300+ batting average down the line. There are no questions about his bat and offensive potential, but questions still surround his defense. Montero is big and slow behind the plate, and although his arm is strong, his throwing suffers because of a long release. The Yankees used him behind the plate just three times in September, instead deferring to Romine whenever Russell Martin needed a day of rest.

After five minor league seasons, the waiting is over for both the Yankees and their top prospect. Montero is slated to serve as the primary designated hitter in 2011 with occasional starts behind the plate likely in the cards, and he’ll be expected to replace some of the right-handed pop the team is losing as Alex Rodriguez continues to decline. The Yankees have high expectations for Montero as Joe Girardi showed by batting him fifth on a number of occasions down the stretch in September. We’ve been hearing all about this kid for years now, and now it’s time to see him in action. Tomorrow has finally come.

Here’s your open thread for the night. All three hockey locals are in action tonight, but you folks know what to do by now. Have at it.

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  1. Plank says:

    I posted this a few days ago, but it was at midnight at the end of an open thread so most people didn’t see it. Apologies for reposting, but I’m curious for input.

    “Just a thought, if the Yankees had let CC walk and didn’t sign Kuroda, The Yankees would have been able to get under the luxury threshold this year. Would that be preferable to anyone than 2014?”


    • MannyGeee says:

      No because we’d suck this season. No CC or Kuroda is like a 20 win swing, no? On the assumption that 2 replacement level starters would give you what you’d expect from Kuroda WAR wise…

      • Needed Pitching says:

        CC and Kuroda combined fWAR last year was 9.5, so if they were replaced by exactly replacement level pitchers, it should only be a difference of less than 10 wins. It would be possible for any in house replacements to outperform 0 WAR though. Hell, even AJ managed a 1.5 fWAR last season. Entirely possible some combination of Warren/Phelps/Mitchell/ManBan/Bettances would be better than 0 WAR.

      • Plank says:

        I would imagine CC plus Kuroda are projected for something like 8 wins next year (5+3). Is that worth an extra 2 years of the austerity plan and missing out on next years’ free agent crop? They would still be projected to be a playoff team or close to it with 8 less wins.

    • Rainbow Connection says:

      What would the rotation be?

    • RetroRob says:

      No, because I could care less about the Yankees getting their payroll down to $189M in 2012. It’s only a discussion point because the Yankees have indicated they want to achieve this for 2014, a season still two years off. They can plan for 2014. No need to weaken their team in 2012 for something that means nothing.

      • Plank says:

        I don’t think they are serious about the 2014 plan either, but if I had to choose either below the luxury threshold in 2012 or 2014, I would choose 2012 I think. Yes, they would lose CC, but they would be untethered next offseason to get Hamels, who I would trust more over the next 7 years due to age and body type.

        They are both terrible plans, if they did it in 2012, at least it would be over with.

        Burnett/AAA roundtable

        It isn’t a great rotation, but it seems pretty okay. They could still trade Burnett to save a couple million and rely on the multitude of arms in AAA begging to be replacement level (or maybe a bit better.)

        Again, if they did this for just one season (2012) they wouldn’t have to scream austerity for the next 3 years like they seemingly intend to.*

        *I still don’t believe they are serious about getting below the limit. The idea of getting back 50% of the revenue sharing to one team (Nationals-I would imagine no more than a few million ) plus one year of no luxury tax plus a few more at a lower tax level doesn’t make it seem like it would be worth the hit to the performance of the Yankees.

        • RetroRob says:

          Having a couple more years of planning is better than a couple of months.

          I do agree that I don’t think they will greatly sacrifice the team on the field because if they field a non-competitive team they could end up losing far more than they’ll gain, yet that doesn’t mean I don’t think they’re serious about trying to get to 189, or that they won’t look more seriously at other options they haven’t in the past.

          If if they don’t achieve their goal by 2014, they have to start working toward that goal. We’re seeing signs of that right now.

          • Plank says:

            If if they don’t achieve their goal by 2014, they have to start working toward that goal. We’re seeing signs of that right now.

            Not really. Their payroll has been pretty stagnant for 6 years or so, but next year projects to be their highest ever. We haven’t really seen any signs of them practicing austerity other than through the media.

            • Needed Pitching says:

              they have stayed away from deals that would impact 2014 (other than CC), staying away from Wilson, Darvish, etc.

              Of course that could just be a coincidence…

            • RetroRob says:

              Yes, although I would use that as evidence that they do care about the luxury tax. I’ve stated for several years that the luxury tax has cleared slowed the Yankees payroll escalation, so they may very well be taking it one step further since the new CBA will have yet even more penalties for going over, and for the first time ever will have rewards for the Yankees to go under.

              I do believe the Yankees are serious right now about trying to get to 189, but that doesn’t mean I think they’ll achieve it. Less than 50-50 right now, but it would be wrong to assume they are not trying to get there.

    • CJ says:

      No. That would not be a playoff team in 2012-2014. I don’t think they will realistically be able to field a playoff team in 2014 for 189 with ARod cc Tex contracts on the books.

  2. William says:

    Sad to see Montero go. Still, he’s the type of hitter, that can thrive in Safeco. Good opposite power…….could have hit 40 homer at peak playing for Yanks. Still can hit 30 at Safeco. Wish him well.

  3. nedro says:

    “Tomorrow has finally come.”


    • Annie says:

      You know nedro, tomorrow never comes. As Jesus showed us, tomorrow, is always a day away.

      Francisco Cervilli:
      Just thinkin’ about
      Clears away the cobwebs,
      And the sorrow
      Till there’s none!

      Austin Romine:
      When I’m stuck a day
      That’s gray,
      And lonely,
      I just stick out my chin
      And grin,
      And say,

      JR Murphy:
      Oh, the sun’ll come out
      So ya gotta hang on
      ‘Til tomorrow
      Come what may

      Gary Sanchez:
      I love ya Tomorrow!
      You’re always a day away

      ALL (Cervelli, Romine, Murphy and Sanchez)
      The sun’ll come out
      So ya gotta hang on
      ‘Til tomorrow
      Come what may
      I love ya
      You’re only a day away
      Tomorrow! Tomorrow! I love ya, tomorrow
      You’re only a day away!

  4. Damian says:

    Unless something horrible happens (awful criminal incident/find out he’s actually 30 years old/beats up Banuelos in a yanks-mariners bench-clearing brawl), I will always root for Montero.

  5. MannyGeee says:

    What, no anniversaries or birthdays, you had to bring the party down by reminding us that Montero is still kinda gone?

    Open Thread: on this day 5 years ago, Shelly Duncan had an almost career threatening hangnail…. Well, not career, but it really bummed him out on the way to Señor Frogs…

  6. summits says:

    What a shocker Flaherty slurping romine. A defensive catcher who can’t hit I wonder why he likes him.

    • Andy In Sunny Daytona says:

      Same reason why Girardi loves him.

    • JobaWockeeZ says:

      Romine isn’t really a defensive catcher though. Scout shave him as an average catcher at the position. He just has the ability to stay on the position while having the upside of an above average bat.

  7. Avi says:

    How great would it be if Campos fails his physical and the Yankees void the trade because of it? Return the favor.
    #David Adams

  8. Jake says:

    Hearing the line “Tomorrow has finally comes” reminds me of this song in regards to the trade.

    The Lee Trade:

    “At the starting of the week
    At summit talks you’ll hear them speak
    It’s only Monday
    Negotiations breaking down
    See those leaders start to frown
    It’s sword and gun day”

    The Montero Trade Breaking:

    “You could be sitting taking lunch
    The news will hit you like a punch
    It’s only Tuesday(What time is it?)
    You never thought we’d go to war
    After all the things we saw
    It’s April Fools’ day?”

    The Remorse Afterwards:

    “You hear a whistling overhead
    Are you alive or are you dead?
    It’s only Thursday(What time is it?)
    You feel the shaking on the ground
    A million candles burn around
    Is it your birthday?”

    “Tomorrow never comes until it’s too late
    Tomorrow never comes until it’s too late”

  9. Jackson says:

    Great hitter. The kid has no real defensive ability. Scouts doubt that he could even handle first base. His legs are slow so he can’t pop like he’s supposed to……maybe they never trained him for it. He’s still young and maybe can rethink himself defensively. He was kinda bored and lackluster in triple A which maybe leads me to believe he is a bit immature still. The Yankees tend to toss people who don’t want to listen to their bosses…I.E. Kennedy, Soriano ,even the untradeable Igawa..they just stuck him in a closet and forgot him. When it comes to Montero it was in the papers that he was not open to playing a different position. That’s not a team player really. It might be for the best, especially if the Yanks get two Ace pitchers out of it.

    • kevin winters says:

      It might be for the best, especially if the Yanks get two Ace pitchers out of it


      No way the Ms are that dumb.

      • Gonzo says:

        Smoak over Montero?

        • kevin winters says:

          They have both now so it worked out.

          • RetroRob says:

            …they could have had Montero and Pineda, as opposed to Montero and Smoak.

            • Kevin Winters says:

              True they could have but from what ppl have said the Ms have a good system in terms of pitching. I don’t if they’re just saying it to say but if it’s true the loss of Pineda might hurt in the short but if they can replace him over the next couple of seasons they might be ok with it.

              • RetroRob says:

                And I think that’s why they traded Pineda. They have good arms, so they could spare two of them in order to land an impact bat.

      • nsalem says:

        The M’s are a brilliant organization. They have money and started the 2010 season with two of the 5 best starters in the major leagues and have lost 196 games since then.

        • kevin winters says:

          They might be very brilliant if this deal helps them out in the long run. What are the odds they gave the Yankees two potential aces for a “DH and middle to back end starter”

          • Plank says:

            I still think Jack Z is trading to save his job, not necessarily to make the Mariners better in the long run. They also traded Josh Lueke for John Jaso, though that could have been because Lueke is a creep.

            • Mister Delaware says:

              He could be building a nice lineup. If they pan out (big if, acknowledged), Ackley-Smoak-Montero is a really nice young core. And getting Trayvon Robinson last year was a steal.

              • Plank says:

                True. I just think trading your second best pitcher plus one of your top pitching prospects for a big bat and a back of the rotation arm is something a team does closer to contention, not at the Mariners’ current position on the success cycle. It seems more like a win now move when they should be making win in a few years moves.

                • Mister Delaware says:

                  In theory, absolutely, but when your offense is as miserable as Seattle’s, maybe its a risk you have to take. Worst wOBA in baseball by 8 points last year, which was the same gap between 9th and 18th places. And that was an improvement from being -10 points from 29th in 2010.

                • Ed says:

                  Well, they just traded for a guy with 69 plate appearances and a guy with 56 IP. Both should be at least a few years away from their primes. Both have 6 years of team control. Sounds like a “win in a few years” move to me, not a “win now” move.

          • Dave203 says:

            If just one turns out to be an ace — the deal is in the Yankees favor.

          • nsalem says:

            i don’t know. About the same as Montero has of matching Miguel Cabrera’s age 22 year on the Marlins.

  10. Rainbow Connection says:

    Tomorrow always cvms when you’re rosterbating.

  11. BK2ATL says:

    Gonna miss what the kid would’ve brought to the lineup, but we needed another young quality SP. I hope the deal works out well for both teams.

  12. RobC says:

    Reading about Pineda in all the analysis of the trade it sounds like Pineda like Phil Hughes needs to develop and use his change up more. The thing is these guys are 23 and 26. They should have developed their change ups 10 years ago.

    • Dave203 says:

      Old news, but the different is Pineda throws 94-96 consistently and touches 100 on occasion compared to Hughes who throws 92-93 and may touch 94-95 on occasion. Hugh difference.

      They can all throw a changeup, but a MLB-caliber changeup is not as easy as you would think. It’s not HS ball — the arm angle, arm speed, windup, and everything else other than the speed of the pitch needs to match your fastball. A lot harder to do that you think.

    • RkyMtnYank says:

      People keep saying that about Phil but I remember back in the Texas game before he got hurt he stuck out Texiera on three straight changes. Maybe that was an anomaly or the injury affected him somehow but seems like he has been throwing it for a while.

    • Mike Axisa says:

      They should have developed their change ups 10 years ago.

      That’s ridiculous. Sabathia didn’t develop his changeup until he had three or four years in the big leagues. 95% of pitchers don’t have a changeup when they’re drafted or signed because they don’t need it as an amateur, so they never throw it.

    • RetroRob says:

      Justin Verlander didn’t master his changeup until he was already in the majors. Most power pitchers don’t because they don’t have to. They just blow away batters. The start mastering the changeup when it’s required. Of course, not all can do it equally.

  13. ThatstheMelkyMesaWaysa says:

    Miss him already.

  14. Drew says:

    Well miss you Hey-Zeus! Hopefully in 6 years we can have an open thread about the 2nd coming of Jesus!

  15. vin says:

    I think Stephen’s post today will be one of the most important posts of the offseason.

    If the Yanks are going to stay under 190 mil for 2014, it’s going to be difficult to sign a guy like Cole (20 mil AAV). It can be done, but it will require relying heavily on players at or close to league minimum.

    Here’s some of my assumptions:

    I used the same salaries as Stephen, also figured Cano gets signed for 21 mil AAV (22 seemed high).
    The bench is cheap – 4 mil in each scenario
    The bullpen is relatively cheap – 21.5 mil in each scenario
    I used the same 1.13 to account for the 15 minor leaguers as Stephen (I have no clue if this is right).
    Also used the same 10 mil for “benefits” as Stephen.

    Scenario 1 – No Cole:
    27 mil for 2 OF spots, catcher and DH. Romine, and a cheap veteran can make this work. Almost certainly won’t be enough to re-sign both Swisher and Granderson though.
    Two league minimum starters to go along with CC, Nova, Pineda. Remaining Killer B’s, come on down!

    Scenario 2 – Cole:
    5.5 mil for 2 OF spots, catcher and DH. Yeah, that’s going to be extremely difficult unless the Yanks swing that Betances for Brown trade (and maybe another). Welcome to the world where the likes of Ryan Ludwick and Brandon Laird are in the OF.

    Scenario 3 – Re-sign Granderson:
    Say Curtis re-ups for 15 mil AAV. That leaves about 12.5 mil to cover a spot in the rotation, OF spot, DH and catcher (thank Mo for Romine). This seems to be the most realistic option.

    I started this study a couple days ago, and I quickly discovered… the only way the Yankees will meet their payroll goals in 2014 is if they don’t sign an expensive player between now and then. I can’t see them having a monster rotation and 3 league minimum players in the lineup. They just don’t have all those players in the system right now, in my opinion.

    There are so many moving parts and variables, that this whole study can be moot by this time next year.

    • Robert says:

      As of Today the payroll for ’13 is 126 million.There is the hope that Soriano opts out.

      • Needed Pitching says:

        that’s without picking up Cano or Granderson’s options
        they’ll almost definitely pick up both

        • Robert says:

          Add 28 million to that for their options for a total for around 155 million.Hamels will be around 20-24 million.That is 15-20 million for 1 OF and DH,plus a bench. I don’t have a issue with giving Jones or Maxwell a shot in the OF.

          • Needed Pitching says:

            the 189 isn’t until 2014 anyways, not 2013, at which point at least Cano and likely both will cost more than there option prices. 2013 still has a 178M luxury tax threshold, they won’t even attempt to get under that.
            also, the payroll figures your working with don’t completely equate to luxury tax payroll. Luxury tax payroll includes about 15M in addition to the team payroll for 40-man roster and benefit costs

            • Robert says:

              After this season they need to decide on who to bring back.If they bring back Swisher and Martin ,they both will want multiyear deals. If they get to a payroll of 190 -200 million in ’13 it becomes easier to get under 189 in ’14.

    • Rookie says:

      Which is why, if he can be an ace in the Majors, Darvish at $10 million could have potentially made such a difference.

      But as I try to always qualify my opinion on Darvish, no matter how much it may look to me like the Yankees blew it big time, I know that they know far more about him than I’ll ever know and that they’re way, way more astute about those things than I’ll ever be.

  16. Dan says:

    Am I the only one who is really intrigued by the idea of Brandon Allen? He’s cheap, he’s relatively young, and he has light tower power. If all you have to give is Mitchell, I would be in for it. He could be the 3/4 time guy against righties and never expose him to a LHP. Thats why Andruw Jones exists. I can’t get the HR he hit at the Stadium out of my mind… just massive power.

    • Preston says:

      I also love the idea of Brandon Allen. He would be a great option for a platoon with Jones and there is a chance that you get something much more out of him. Big power guys sometimes take a while to get it together. He’s also a plus defender at first and has held his own in LF on occasion.

  17. Rich in NJ says:

    This is going to suck for a very long time.

  18. DM says:

    More quotes from Mark Newman regarding Montero’s attitude and defense:

    “He thought he had a chance to make the team in spring training. He thought he was the best player here at Triple-A last year. Now, he sees (Eduardo) Nunez is up there doing well. He thinks, ‘I was better than him.’ He sees Hector Noesi, Ivan Nova, and he thinks, ‘I was better than all of them, and they’re up there and I’m down here.’ I had a zillion conversations with him about that. But his case is not unique. These guys are down here reading the blogs about themselves, where even a few years ago, players moved through development stages in anonymity.”

    “Defensively he keeps improving. But it’s something he has to work at every day for the remainder of his career. When you’re 6-3, and 225 to 230 pounds depending on what you had for lunch, it’s hard. He’s got to work on lower body flexibility and agility. He’s got good hands. He’s got good arm strength. But there’s a lot of work to do.”

    When asked if Montero has let the thought of becoming a full-time DH has entered his mind, Newman said, “I hope he hears it and it creeps into his psyche. He’s going to hear it. But it’s all about how he responds to it.”

  19. Robinson Tilapia says:

    Interesting post on MLBTR as to the Brewers being way over payroll? Anyone have a sucky non Banuelos/Betances trade proposal they think would land Shawn Marcum?

    • GardnergoesYardner says:

      I don’t think we really need Marcum, but what the hell? What about Phelps and Brandon Laird? I think two average prospects for a middle of the rotation starter is a good trade, and if they are really concerned about their budget(which it’s hard to tell from Melvin’s comments) they could go for it. Laird could play first for them if Gamel doesn’t work out, and Phelps could be an effective back of the rotation starter.

      • Plank says:

        You think Marcum is middle of the rotation starter? Or do you mean on the 2012 Yankees?

        That doesn’t seem like enough to get Marcum.

        • GardnergoesYardner says:

          I meant on the 2012 Yankees. It probably isn’t, but Melvin could bite if they’re really desperate, and if the price went up, Cash could just walk away with his other shiny new arms. It’s probably not even worth pursuing.

          • Plank says:

            I would do that trade in a heartbeat, I just don’t think it would have a chance of working.

            Would you rather have Marcum and a scrub at DH or the current roster plus someone like Pena?

            I would rather allocate that money toward DH.

            • GardnergoesYardner says:

              No I agree. We’re Yankees fans and thus suppose to be throwing money and players endlessly towards winning, but I think getting another starter and not paying attnetion to DH is not using money wisely. Someone like a Pena or a Damon would be better than plugging in Vazquez at DH but having Marcum.

              But if they did have Marcum, they’d have quite the nice collection of long relievers. That’s gotta count for something, right?

            • Robinson Tilapia says:

              If the suggestion is Phelps and Laird for Marcum, I’ll drive them myself.

              Honestly, the question was posed with not much thought. I’ve liked Marcum since he was a Blue Jay, and the MLBTR article got my gears going a bit. Of course, never too much pitching, blah blah blah.

              As for “would you rather have Marcum and a scrub at DH or the current roster plus someone like Pena,” I’d obviously rather have the better pitching staff. This team does not need a steady DH to succeed in 2012.

              • GardnergoesYardner says:

                But how much would Marcum be worth if it meant storing AJ, Freddy, and Hughes in the pen and lacking a good hitter at DH? True, a good pitching staff is a nice luxury, but look at some of the past Yankees World Championship teams. In 2009, we went with the CC AJ Andy rotation, but ulitmately Matsui was more valuable at DH. Imagine if we had a scrub there. Would we have won? Possibly, but Games 2 and 6 could have turned out differently without the contributions of Hideki. I know that’s just one year, but certainly the team could use another good hitter at DH over another another good pitcher after the loss of Jesus.

                • Robinson Tilapia says:

                  You do realize that the DH position would be held by whoever between Alex/Derek/Jones/Tex/etc. needed a day off, right? Where is this “scrub” I’m not seeing?

                  Again, too much pitching would be a good problem to have.

                  Also, they’re not getting Shawn Marcum for the package we’re speaking of anyway, so this is purely shits and giggles right now.

                  • Plank says:

                    Nunez is the scrub in that case. You’re just transfering the hole in the roster from one place to another.

                    • Robinson Tilapia says:

                      Nunez is far from a scrub. How many of those DH at-bats will actually go to him as well?

                    • Plank says:

                      Nunez’s batting line is scrub-like compared to the average DH.

                    • Needed Pitching says:

                      he would have to play every time ARod, Jeter, or Cano DH’d
                      and Nunez – at least thus far – is a below average hitter

                    • Fin says:

                      When Nunez, a young player, got consistent at bats, while Jeter was out, his output was far from blow average. I believe he hit in the .320 range. Everyone wants to kill the guy becasue he “couldnt play the field”. He had virtually never played third base in his life. What do you think he would do? He has great range, some ability with the bat, hes a valuable player. Like alot of Yankees fans you like prospects, until they arent superstars. Nunez is a fine baseball player, learning what the Yankees need from him. He’s never going to be a hall of fame player, but damn he isnt the shit that RAB make him out to be.

                    • Plank says:

                      To be clear, he’s fine as a backup infielder. Maybe he could even be good enough to be a starting SS. The difference in hitting between what Nunez is and what even a bad DH is is huge.

                      I’m not knocking Nunez as a player, I’m knocking the idea of a rotating DH instead of a real DH since it would lead to more ABs for Nunez.

              • Plank says:

                My first reaction was that I would rather have the DH, but I think you’re right. If Marcum pitches like Marcum, they could trade him at the deadline for a much better DH and probably a prospect or 2. Of course, if Marcum pitches like Marcum, the Yankees wouldn’t trade him.

                All of this is moot anyway, since the Yankees aren’t getting him.

    • Plank says:

      Nope. I can’t imagine how he would fit into the Yankees plans. He has one more year left and makes from 6.75 MM to 8.7 MM. Maybe sending Hughes and packaging one of the B’s, but I doubt either team would do that.

      Hughes and Robertson for Marcum? Burnett, 30 MM, and Robertson or Joba? I just don’t see a likely trade there.

      • Robert says:

        Why does everyone want to trade Robertson? He is going to be the closer after Mo is gone.

        • Plank says:

          Why does everyone want to trade Robertson?

          I don’t accept your premise. Few people want to trade him, I would imagine. I would be okay with trading him now before his numbers crash back toward the mean, though I still think he will be a huge asset going forward.

          He is going to be the closer after Mo is gone.

          You think? I would imagine Soriano would be ahead of Robertson for that role. Joba could too, if he pitches well next year. Why speak in absolutes?

        • Rich in NJ says:

          Robertson is about as untouchable as anyone on this team.

    • CJ says:

      It will takes betances plus maybe phelps. Another team would pay up before brewers would give him away for junk like laird.

  20. RobertGKramer@AOL.Com says:

    I was really looking forward to watching Jesus wage war with his bat against MLB pitching this year. That now means catching some Mariners’ games on MLB.TV until the Yanks go head to head.

    As far as Jesus catching, lots of luck Seattle. Talk about flexibility and agility all you want. I thought his head just wasn’t into it at AAA from games I saw on Milb.TV. Maybe that changes for MLB, but I’m skeptical.

  21. CMP says:

    I’ve never heard a group of people whine so much over losing a guy who had all of 20 hits in the majors.

    Good thing he didn’t have a game winning hit in one of the playoff games or there would probably be a mass suicide.

  22. GardnergoesYardner says:

    I have loved this deal since Cashman made it, but for everyone saying they would have rather gotten a better pitcher, I think the fact that we kept the B’s is the real victory in the deal. Getting a Felix for Montero, Banny, and Betances, plus one or two other prospects would have wrecked our farm system, and as other 4 or 5 prospects for 1 ace pitcher (Bedard, Haren to the Diamondbacks, Latos) it is a huge risk. Basically, instead of betting against one player as we are with Montero, you are betting that 4 or 5 different players will collectively average less value than your one player. That might be fine in the short term, but have damaging impacts for your future. Imagine the Mariners today with an outfield of Jones, Ichiro, and Gutierez or the Diamondbacks with CarGo joining Upton in their lineup. The Johan Santana trade proved that sometimes the strategy doesn’t work, but I think you’re always better off getting the greater haul of players because your odds of finding an effective player increase greatly. The Yankees did the smart thing to give up only Montero and Noesi for someone who could potentially match or surpass the value of those two instead of giving up the haul for three years of Felix and losing a prospective ace of their own in one of the B’s.

  23. CJ says:

    Gotta love jon heyman’s reporting yanks have 1-2 million for dh but if they can save 10 of 33 on AJ contract that changes the equation. Paraphrased from twitter. Thanks Jon excellent reporting!

  24. Plank says:

    Am I the only person who wants Manny Ramirez to DH for the Yankees next season? I could stand 50 games of Jorge Vazquez in order to see that happen.

    I’m also holding out ope that Barry Bonds decides to give it one more go to try to get that ring.

  25. Plank says:

    Jesus Montero is currently held up in Venezuela with a visa or passport issue. How surprised would you be if it was revealed that 22 year old Jesus Montero was really 26 year old Johnny Smith?

    At least it would stop the incessant religious jokes here. Once Mariano retires, it will finally be over.

  26. CMP says:

    Sad new about Gary Carter today.

    As a Yankee fan, the Mets of the mid 80s and their fans made life miserable but he was a great player and the kind of guy you’d just love if he was on your team.

    The Mets should have a Gary Carter day early in the season next year and hopefully, he’ll be healthy enough to come out and feel some love.

  27. GardnergoesYardner says:

    Now I suddenly miss Jesus again. Man this is hard.

    • Robinson Tilapia says:

      I never stopped missing him. Then I realized he didn’t die or anything. He’s just on another team. It’s OK. You can still root for him. Seattle can actually be kind of a great town as well.

  28. Needed Pitching says:

    I wonder if Russell Martin would take a 2 year deal with an option – maybe 8M for 2012, 9M for 2013 and perhaps 9M option with 1M buyout for 2014, so basically 2 year/18M guaranteed
    Martin/Cervelli catch for 2012 with Romine in AAA
    Martin/Romine catch for 2013
    If Romine shows he’s ready for 2014 decline Martin and save money for the austerity plan. If Romine doesn’t seem capable, they have the option to bring Russell back or go another direction.


    • Tom says:

      Seems reasonable from the Yankees end. The other bonus is that Sanchez and Murphy should be a lot further along when they need to make the option decision, so it also could mean a 1-2 year stop gap (if the austerity plan is still in place, Romine is not a full time option and they need another year or two for one of those guys)

      The question is why would Martin want to do this? Catchers don’t exactly have long careers and he might see his upcoming FA in 2013 as his last chance at a decent contract. MLB traderumors is projecting him at 6.7mil in arbitration so is an extra 1.3mil worth it for basically one additional year and a club option?

  29. JoeMoes says:

    Were done with big contracts jeters was a sign of respect. We needed a couple stop gaps but banuelos should slide in kurodas spot that’s 10million to 400k. Lots of money off books.

    • CJ says:

      “We are done with big contracts” “jeter was…respect”?? Have you seen the CC contract plus extension? Are we going to sign cano to a series of one year deals plus incentives? Or let cano go and play Angelo gumbs?

    • Fin says:

      Jeters wasnt a sign of respect. It was a business decision. THey make more money with him than they do any other way. The best move for the team wsa Nunez as short. Nunez doesnt bring anyone to the stadium, and hes not much better. As long as they can ride the Jeter wagon they will, untill he cant move he will play short.

  30. dennyneagleshooker says:

    marcum got traded for brett lawrie (our montero). there is no way he goes for anything less than banuelos + something high potential, lower level (mason williams?). if that were the case i would be hard pressed to say no. manny has a hope of being comp to marcum +, but we get that production assured immediately. take the instant gratification or……..

    • Plank says:

      At this point I don’t think there are any teams with those pieces to trade that are looking for that type of pitcher left on the market.

      By that I mean he won’t get traded, not that he will get traded for less.

    • Fin says:

      If you assume Montero isnt a catcher, Lawrie had better minor league stats. It just puts into focus that the Yankees really got a steal. Is there anyone that would rather have Marcum than Pineda?

  31. Gonzo says:

    Is my math right? Did the Rangers sign Yu for 6/56?

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