Open Thread: 3/31 Camp Notes

Update: Cesar Cabral has stress fracture in elbow
Yankees release Russ Branyan ... then re-sign him
Raul I-bomb-nez. (AP Photo/Paul Sancya)

The Yankees and Astros played Homerun Derby this afternoon, with the good guys coming out on top 5-4. They also won the rain-shortened game 11-9. Robinson Cano hit his second jack of the spring, Raul Ibanez hit his third (woulda been fourth if it wasn’t for Jason Heyward), Jose Gil got hit first, and — get this — Dante Bichette Jr. hit not one, but two dingers. He only saw two pitches too [Marc Carig]. Now that’s pretty cool.

Adam Warren‘s final bid for a bullpen spot didn’t go well; he gave up six runs on ten hits in 5.2 IP. Now that he has a virtual lock on the second lefty job, Clay Rapada went ahead and gave up a homer to the left-handed hitting Brian Bogusevic. How about that timing? Here’s the box score and here’s the rest from Tampa…

Here is tonight’s open thread. The Devils, Knicks, and Nets are all playing tonight, plus MLB Network will be airing a game later on tonight. Talk about whatever you want here, go nuts.

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Update: Cesar Cabral has stress fracture in elbow
Yankees release Russ Branyan ... then re-sign him
  • Havok9120

    2-3 and 4 RBI for Mr. Ibanez. Well played.

    • mustang

      What do you mean he might not be done after all?

      The silence you hear is from pistol Pete and the gang refreshing isn’t it.

      • Havok9120

        In the words of Arnold Schwarzenegger….

        “They’ll be back.”

  • fin

    Good to see Ibanez coming to life. Was really worried there for a while. Dante is going to be fun to watch, he is growing his legend. He could be just in time for A-Rod to DH. This is a fun time to be a baseball fan, especially of the Yankees with all the young minor league talent, that you can now follow. Its like having a whole new sport to follow, minor league baseball players.

    • handtius

      you know, the minors have been around for quite some time…that’s where robbie and robertson and joba and hughes and gardner, etc. came from…also the old guys, like jeter and mo, they actually came from the minors as well!!! i know, crazy.

      • Fin

        You know in the past, people who worked alot, and had a social life couldnt follow them. The information wasnt readily available. I’m not some sort of moron.

        • handtius

          dude. it was sarcasm.

          • Fin

            Heh, my bad. Can be hard to tell sarcasm on the web or someone being a tool.

            • handtius

              too true. guess i need to add the /sarcasm tag. i thought all the “!!!!” gave it away.

              • Plank

                Sadly, lately, that wouldn’t stand out as sarcasm around here.

          • PBfog

            yea, but your sarcasm was lame and that’s basically all people post on this site. It’s not even worth commenting on, but here i am…

        • Justin Maxwell’s Silver Hammer (formerly Rainbow Connection)

          You have a life? That’s lame.
          You’re supposed to play with yourself in your mother’s basement while watching spoiled, young dolts throw and hit balls around, even though they’ll probably never amount to shit.
          It’s super important!

    • bpdelia

      Yeah its nice. I always got baseball america and sporting news but it was nothing like noe. Your ONLY access to milb were weeklys at best. And one weekly at that.

    • mustang

      Agree on Dante Bichat Jr. especially since most of the so-called experts thought he was a bad pick and didn’t think much of him from go.

      Go proven them wrong Dante.

  • AndyisDandy

    “Little Dante” as Joltin’ Joe Girardi-o would say, looks like he could be pretty good.

  • Johnny

    If Kontos doesn’t recover by Opening Day there’ll be no postseason for the Yankees this year.

    • MMMMyyyKuroda

      I laughed. Well played, sir.

      • http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/ Steve S.

        BTW-Love the name

  • Paul VuvuZuvella

    Can I change my vote for prospect watch to Dante?

    • I am not the droids you’re looking for…

      + 1

      • Betty Lizard

        + 1000. This is why I voted for him.

        And I’m waiting for my RAB t shirt, “Bichette happens.”

  • bpdelia

    Wait bichette did that in the big league game?

    • http://www.retire21.org/ first name only male – Retire 21

      He did it against the Houston Astros. I’ll leave it up to you to determine if you consider that a big league game.

      • handtius

        +1 (minor league astos most likely)

      • bpdelia

        Lol lets call that a AAAA team then. Man the astros have gone to shit with absolutely zero hope of a turnaround in the next 3 to 4 years. AAANNNNDDDD get to move to a division with two excellent teams and a team that does have the pieves in the org to turn around a helluva lot faster than houston.

    • http://www.retire21.org/ first name only male – Retire 21

      The first HR was off of Ruben Alaniz (minor leaguer) and the second was off of Brandon Lyon.

      • bpdelia

        Nice on number two. That chatleston team is something
        ………pineda to charleston!!!!!!

        • Paul VuvuZuvella

          I really hope Sanchez and Williams are still on the team last week of May. I’m going to catch a few games in Charleston. Would be pissed if they are gone. They can move up to Tampa on June 1.

  • dean

    Even if the Astros are a AAA team that’s still pretty impressive for a 19 year old to hit two bombs on two pitches fresh out of rookie ball….

    • Steve (different one)

      Too bad the Yankees only picked him as a favor.

      • mustang

        Well Done!!!!!!

      • Justin Maxwell’s Silver Hammer (formerly Rainbow Connection)

        Axisa is taking a beating tonight.

    • John

      Bryce Harper is younger than Bichette. Harper is a monster.

      • mustang

        Comparing Bryce Harper to Bichette is like comparing a Porsche to a Mustang.

        • Paul VuvuZuvella

          I didn’t see it as comparing. I saw that as providing context that really makes me admire with awe what Harper might be.

          • mustang

            Ok fair enough.

  • Eirias

    Started Fallout: New Vegas. Waited for the omnibus “Ultimate Edition” so I didn’t have to deal with patches and DLC. Wow is it good. Much closer to the Fallout spirit of the first two games than Fallout 3. Anyone else played it?

    • Havok9120

      Its a very, very good game. I don’t know if you’ve found the Nexus in your time playing the most recent Fallout games, but if you haven’t….

      http://newvegas.nexusmods.com/

      Its a modding community, and a great one at that. You can find anything from minor flavor enhancers or community patches, to enormous additions that make the game a much deeper experience and change it in fundamental ways. Even a few of the small tweaks can improve the experience immensely.

  • DM

    Is Bichette a genuine 3rd baseman?

    • Johnny

      The word is that he’s a much better fielder than what the scouts initially thought. I’m suddenly excited to track his progress over the next few years.

    • mustang

      Most scouts say no, but then again these probably were the same people that didn’t like him when drafted so we will see.

    • pat

      Yes. Keith Law’s knee jerk criticism of his athleticism was far off the mark and confirmed by Piliere and Sickels among others.

      • mustang

        Just love this.

      • Countryclub

        Even Law says that scouts are now telling him that he may stick at 3rd

      • http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/ Steve S.

        I didn’t like the pick at the time, and was dead wrong when I thought that it smacked of nepotism. Girardi is very close with Dante Bichette Sr, who was a teammate of his in COLO and who he named his first son after. Turns out the Yanks had better info than the rest of us did, including BA. No big shock there.

        • mustang

          “Turns out the Yanks had better info than the rest of us did, including BA. No big shock there.”

          Could we have this right next to RAB logo on the home page it might help.

        • Bo Knows

          I’ve been driving bichette bandwagon since he was drafted (I did a ton of research) the knock on his athletic ability was complete crap, I’ve been harping on the fact that this guy, was one of the best jr tennis players in the nation, so good that it was assumed he would go pro in tennis before baseball. Tennis takes a lot of skills that almost perfectly translate to being an infielder. In fact tennis is probably more difficult to play than 3rd base

  • bpdelia

    I like the aggressive bichette promotions. Im a big believer in promotion to level of incompetence in all aspects.

    Sp i can see the logic of slow moving but pos players shoild be promoted till tjey stop hitting unless you are making a statement as they clearly are with sanchez. Jr murphy looks nice but if you manage tampa which player do you want?

  • mustang

    ” Dante Bichette Jr. hit not one, but two dingers. He only saw two pitches too ”

    Impressive for a 19 year old regardless of who its against.

  • Naved

    Off topic: Linsanity officially over. He is out for the season and needs surgery in his knee. :(

    • Pat D

      I think we all knew it was a temporary fad.

      Now if only Tebowmania went the same way…

    • handtius

      ah booooo. that sucks. my roommate said he was the savior of the asian race. (he’s asian, he can say that)

    • Jesse

      It’s an Open thread, it’s OK to be off-topic.

    • Cesar “Stairs” Cabral

      Stairs can dribble fine with bad elbow.

  • Nick

    Is it sad that I am really looking forward to down on the farm?

    • http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/ Steve S.

      Not at all, one of my favorite features on this site. Mike does a great job keeping us all up to date.

    • Countryclub

      Manuel just tweeted how loaded Charleston is. Yanks finally have a core of prospects that we can watch advance together. Very exciting.

    • Jesse

      I love DotF and I can’t wait either.

  • http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/ Steve S.

    Two HRs on two first ball fastballs is certainly impressive, but it has to be noted another SEVEN HRs were hit today besides Dante’s two. Sounds like a humid Florida day with a big time wind blowing out.

    Still impressive, though.

  • http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/ Steve S.

    I’m rooting hard for Louisville, mostly because I can’t stand Calipari. But I have no sense they’re going to pull this one out. They have to move heaven and earth to tie things up, and then Kentucky just smacks them back down over and over again.

  • Dino Velvet

    I wonder if the Steinbrenner Bros. are taking the whole Pineda thing with a grain of salt or whether they’re pissed off like so many fans.

    • Countryclub

      There is nothing to be pissed about. If the news today said he needed shoulder surgery….that would be a different story.

      • Dino Velvet

        A lot of people are pissed over the significant drop in advertised velocity.

        I mean it is just like last year, think about how pissed people were over Soriano’s failures.

    • whozat

      The Steinbrenners acquired a long-term asset. As long as it still pays out, they’ll be fine with it.

    • http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/ Steve S.

      I have no doubt whatsoever that (unlike his father) Hal doesn’t look at baseball the way fans do. It’s a business to him. I doubt Michael Pineda or Jesus Montero would move the needle that he looks at one way or the other.

  • Johnny

    This column by John Harper that Mike tweeted about is pretty good—

    Even after Michael Pineda injury, Yankees GM Brian Cashman still made right move trading Jesus Montero to Mariners for pitcher

    http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....-1.1053949

    • Johnny

      Also, by Sweeny Murti—

      Michael Pineda’s Pain

      http://newyork.cbslocal.com/20.....edas-pain/

      Good reads.

      • DM

        Yeah. Not much consideration has been given to his “pitching” as it relates to his velocity. He’s clearly not a thrower.

    • http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/ Steve S.

      I thought it was a great trade for the Yankees when it was made, in part because they needed a No. 2 starter more than a young DH, and in part because the exorbitant cost of pitching has made acquiring young arms with Pineda’s potential a rarity these days

      Bingo. When you look at what Mat Latos, Gio Gonzalez and Cahill went for, Pineda was a steal. While those pitchers are more proven, but Pineda probably has more upside than any of them.

      People also forget that Montero is still anything but a given. This trade was potential for potential, and is still years away from being determined who won/who lost. But that will be decided with the benefit of hindsight, which of course Cashman doesn’t have. Harper nailed it, the decision Cashman made in real time was the right one and still is.

    • DM

      I think the reaction of the other Yankee players to the trade is interesting considering they know Montero yet only faced Pineda once. That says something about Pineda — or maybe something about Montero.

  • pistol pete

    Everyone’s excited now that Ibanez has clubbed 3 Hr’s and lifted his spring training avg to 157. Still think he’ll be gone by June 1st when he faces good pitching consistantly.

    • DM

      They’re no more excited than you were after every bad AB he had.

  • art vandelay

    so question about pineda’s options … does anyone know if he has one left ? worst case scenario he has to be sent to the minors for a few months for rehab … does that mean the yanks get an extra year of “controlling” pineda ?

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      He has all three left, but rehab assignments are considered part of the DL and won’t delay his free agency. They’ll have to active him off the DL then option him down.

      • Jesse

        Why didn’t the Yankees just option him first to AAA and then place him on the DL? Or does that not work in terms of getting an extra year of control?

        • Havok9120

          Because Pineda would file a grievance and win.

        • http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/ Steve S.

          You lost me there. When have you ever heard of a AAA player being placed on the MLB roster’s DL? What purpose would that serve?

          You just send him down. The reality is he doesn’t have a rotation spot waiting once he’s ready. By the time he finishes his rehab, Andy’s on the team and Freddy’s traded or in the bullpen. Still no openings. Someone else will have to pitch horribly or get hurt for him to get called up. I know the people who loved Montero and/or didn’t like the trade will be screaming about that, but this is the best decision for the club right now.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

          Pineda and the union would file a grievance and win. They’d be cheating him out of service time and MLB salary.

    • http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/ Steve S.

      Yes, it does. Extra year of arb and delay FA by one year if he’s out at least a month, which is a given.

      Just to lay out the timing of this, he’s going to completely shut down the shoulder for 15 days. He’ll still probably do some cardio and stuff, but no throwing. Then they’ll want to give him a bullpen, see how he feels the next day, then give him a few rehab starts where they stretch him out. It’s at least a month, more likely 6-8 weeks. The rehab starts alone will probably take a month, it’s effectively him starting ST all over again.

      • art vandelay

        exactly, so isn’t there a thing where if he is brought up after june 1st then they get an extra year of controlling ? or it doesn’t matter cause he is on the MLB DL ?

        • http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/ Steve S.

          No, Mike’s right about that, but that’s just paperwork. Either way they’re working with a full 40 man roster, so they’d be foolish not to burn an option to delay his FA. It’s not as if he’s going to come right back after being on the 15 day DL following a shoulder injury and his poor stuff this spring. They’re going to start from scratch with him, so you send him down.

          BTW-After that start last night, he was probably the one who would be sent down to AAA even if he wasn’t hurt, just based on his performance. Girardi said he was weighting that start heavily, and Cashman and Eppler were in attendance.

          • http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/ Steve S.

            Plus, with Andy waiting in the wings, there’s no guarantee he’ll be called up once he’s ready. Someone would have to be pitching horribly for that to happen. They’re going to send him down and wait for something to open up, it makes the most sense.

  • http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/ Steve S.

    Keith Law just tweeted that “Bichette showed an alarming lack of plate dicipline today, seeing just two pitches in his first two ABs.”

    …or not, but it would be funny if he did.

    • Pat D

      I could see him doing that just to see how many people would take the bait.

  • pistol pete

    The Yanks will really take their time with Pineda. First of all they’re loaded with starting pitching and secondly they have a huge longtime investment in him. If they don’t see him until after the All Star break that would be just fine. Last year he pitched lights out for half a season before getting tired or sore in the second half. This years second half hopefully will be like last years first half. Here’s hoping.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      This can’t possibly be Pistol Pete.

    • http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/ Steve S.

      Given the timeline of his rehab, I would argue you won’t see Pineda indefinitely. The only time I think were guaranteed to see him again is September when the rosters expand.

      • Plank

        Has the timeline for his rehab been released?

  • Plank

    An interview with one of my favorite baseball men, Neil deMause.

    http://bizofbaseball.com/index.....Itemid=149

  • flamingo

    Is it just me, or are the Yankees getting seriously beat up this spring?

    • Plank

      Every team goes through this every year. Losing 2 middle relievers for the year is higher than normal I guess, but not abnormally so. Everything is just small stuff.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      How quickly they forget hamstring-gate.

  • Robinson Tilapia

    Per Rebecca, #6 to be retired this year…..as it should be. Congrats to Joe Torre, and a classy move, as always, to allow the book-related drama to not overshadow the accomplishments of the man who guided our franchise back to its rightful place.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      …..or is it an April Fool’s joke?

      • Robinson Tilapia

        Damn you, Rebecca.

        • Jesse

          She got me too.

  • pistol pete

    Number 6 should be retired without question. There was a time between 1998 and 2000 that Joe couldn’t make a bad move. Every time he needed to make a decision it worked. He had a great relationship with his players and was a great interview with the press. He had class and dignity playing on the biggest and most difficult stage in all of sports. The last few years the golden touch wore off, he became very nostolgic and it was time to move on but that does not even put a dent in all the good he did for the Yankees. Congratulations Joe, well deserved.

    • Fin

      Pshh, unless u play there is no reason to retire a number. Wasting another number retired on a manager is non sense. I’m not against Joe, just the idea of retiring a managers number. There are other ways they can honor Joe. He is not up there with great “players” in Yankee history. A good manager is worth a couple wins a bad manager costs you a couple, they are not that valuable. Not to mention numbers mean something to fans, and especially kids. Kids arent running around with Joes number on their backs. Sorry for the rant, its nothing personal towards you, just the idea of retiring managers numbers drive me nuts.

    • Justin Maxwell’s Silver Hammer (formerly Rainbow Connection)

      Is this a joke? Joe was terrible.
      Last FEW years?
      Great relationship with players? He had no idea who his bullpen guys were (or how to use them) outside of 2 or 3 people. He ruined MANY careers.
      Class and dignity is writing a book which talks shit about his players and gives up their personal moments?
      Joe is a piece of shit.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        Joe won four World Series with this team. Fans hadn’t seen a championship since ’78 until the mid 90’s. He damn straight better have his number retired one day.

        • Fin

          Most fans dont even know what the hell number Joe Torre was. Why? Because he sits his ass on a bench the whole game. A managers number means nothing, I have no idea why they even have a number. To retire a managers number is insane. People debate whether players like Bernie, Tino, Posada, O’neil, Petite should have their numbers retired. This I can understand. To put Torre in their class or above them is foolishness. Not only was he not as important as those players, but his number doesnt mean shit as he never played an inning.
          I wont even go into the duechiness of writing that book, but if I thought a manager deserved to have his number retired that book would have cancelled Torres chances.