Report: Phillies have interest in Ramiro Pena

Update: A-Rod leaves game after hit-by-pitch
Pena optioned to Triple-A among flurry of roster moves

Via George King, the Phillies have some interest in infielder Ramiro Pena. Chase Utley (knee) and Michael Martinez (foot) are going to start the season on the DL, and Ryan Howard’s injury means Ty Wigginton will have to spend most of his time at first. Long story short, the Phillies need infielders. Pena doesn’t have a ton of value so it’s unlikely the Yankees would get anything noteworthy should they make a deal. Maybe cash or a Grade-D prospect.

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Update: A-Rod leaves game after hit-by-pitch
Pena optioned to Triple-A among flurry of roster moves
  • DM

    Let me guess — Pena for Hamels?

    • DM

      Fine. I’ll throw in Reegie and Kevin Russo. Deal?

      • BronxBombers98

        I’d do that, maybe throw in a ball signed by Raul Ibanez.

        • Havok9120

          You need AT LEAST one bag of balls. I’d go two, but no higher.

          And a broken batting helmet.

  • Granderslam

    Dom Brown.

  • The Moral Majority is Neither

    Trade him just for his sake. He’d be behind Bernier at this point.

  • 28 this year

    Could we upgrade the trade to Nunez for Dom Brown? I think Nunez is useful but having Dom Brown would go a long way towards 189 while staying competitive.

    • Nick

      no

      • 28 this year

        Care to elaborate? Its not the greatest trade but the Yanks get a shot at a cheap outfielder who has a lot of upside at the same timeframe where they have to start making decisions on Granderson’s and Swisher’s future with the Yankees.

        • Total Dominication

          Are you an idiot?

          • handtius

            don’t be a dick.

            • STONE COLD Austin Romine

              Don’t be a pussy.

          • 28 this year

            Thats a little far. I get that its lopsided for the Yanks but the Phillies are built to win team adn they obviously arent using Dom Brown anytime soon. They need an infielder. You’re gonna tell me they win make it to the World Series with Pena playing any role??

            I know its not necessariliy a fair trade but its got some starting ground if the Yanks chip in a little more. Nunez is valuable but Dom Brown can play a bigger role for the Yanks.

            • Ted Nelson

              The Yankees won a WS with Pena as their UTL, so it’s definitely possible.

              I agree with those who doubt Philly makes that deal, but who knows what they think of Nunez vs. Brown? Possible, just unlikely.

              • Jamey

                That’s a fair point. I remember when teams were insisting on Nunez in deals most Yankee fans kind of had the same reaction as Mrs. Costanza when Susan said she loved George “May I ask why?”

    • Jamey

      Certainly wouldn’t hurt to start dialogue with Philly about it, obviously more names than those two would have to be involved though.

  • Jesse

    Dom Brown or bust.

  • http://twitter.com/#!/KChinmaster KenC

    phillies obv dont like brown, so why not just give him to us for pena

    • Billion$Bullpen

      The reason the Phils do not like Dom Brown is that he sucks. I realllllllllly dont get the Dom Brown love on here. I have seen the guy play quite a bit, he is no baseball player. He is what we use to call a stopwatch player. Has great athletic ability and can run fast, jump high etc, but he has no feel for the game and does not really seem to want to get it. I live in the Philly area and have seen enough of this kid to label him a dud. This does not mean he could not turn it all around if he wanted to, but Dom Brown from the way he talks about what he can do and what the Phils want does not seem built for MLB.

      I would rather trade Nunez than Pena, and I would assume Nunez could net more than Pena. Philly needs a bat that can play the infield.

      • YanksFanInBeantown

        Does the stopwatch account for the massive power from the left side, as well as knowing how to take a walk?

        He had a higher IsoP AND IsoD in AAA than Montero did.

        • JonS

          Montero is also a better catcher than Brown is OF. lol

  • Nick

    How about Kevin Russo for a ball

  • Ben

    For Pena’s sake i hope he is traded, seems like a good kid and he deserves some playing time. But are there really no other utility infielders the Phillies can go for, shows you the market on middle INF.

    • Steve (different one)

      Why does he deserve playing time?

      • JonS

        Because he’s a Nice GUY™

  • YankeesJunkie

    Grade D?!?! Grade Dom Brown!!

  • Fin

    I cant see them trading Dom Brown. Certainly not for Eduardo. Brown has too much upside compared to Nunez. I dont see what the yankees could get back for Pena that would be of any use. As it stands they are going to have to release a good reliever and a decent outfielder. I think the Philies would have to overpay to get Pena since the Yankees dont have any glaring needs, and the needs they do have cant be filled in a Ramiro Pena trade.

    • Bo Knows

      I think if its a package deal, of Eduardo/Ramiro as a part of a bigger package of decent to good grade prospect(s) I can see the phillies might be willing

      • DM

        Nunez and one of the AAA starters not named Betances or Banuelos for Brown.

        Pena takes Nunez’s spot on the roster – backs up SS and 2B.

        Brown starts in AAA. If he tears it up, dump everyone’s favorite — Ibanez — then call him up.

        • Fin

          Still dont see the Philies trading Brown. They have a hole to fill in their outfield next year as well. Victorino is a FA at the end of the year. It would be like if the Yankees had Brown in the farm system and traded him away with Swish becoming a FA next year. It just doesnt make sense.
          I dont think a back up infielder and a pitcher projected as a 4/5 is going to get it done it either. I think it would take some sort of high end Yankee prospect to get it done. Maybe Nunez, a AAA pitcher and a Dante Bichette type. If the Philies are going to trade a top prospect like Brown they are going to want some upside back.

          • DM

            I might throw in Zolio Almonte — but I’m negotiating (ssshhhh).

          • YanksFanInBeantown

            Would a Gumbs or a Murphy (or both!) work to go along with Nunez and Warren/Phelps?

            The Phillies need catching depth, (They only really have Valle), and they love toolsy guys they can dream on like Gumbs.

            • DM

              I like Murphy too much.

            • Fernando

              Huh? The Pena for Brown offer is ridiculous, but not any more than offering four guys for Brown. Gumbs, Murphy, Nunez and Warren (or Phelps) for Brown?

              No way the Yankees EVER make that trade. That’s Nunez and and three guys rated among the Yankees Top 20 prospects for a guy that can’t beat out Laynce Nix and John Mayberry Jr.

              • YanksFanInBeantown

                The “both” was an exaggeration. But 3 not top 100 prospects for a former top 5 prospect that fills a need sounds more than fair to me.

      • Fin

        I think its a stretch that becasue they want Rimero Pena so bad they end up trading a top 5 prospect, in some sort of package, to make it happen. If the Yankees ended up with Dom Brown it would hurt. We arent talking about a AAA pitcher and Nunez. We are talking about those 2 guys plus a Mason Williams type upside guy.

        • Plank

          It’s a stretch yes (actually an impossibility), but Brown isn’t a top 5 prospect anymore. Wilson Betemit was a top prospect as well. Sometimes they don’t live up to their billing. Still good enough not to be traded for Ramiro Pena.

    • Rainbow Connection

      Thanks for clarifying this for everyone.

  • Bavarian Yankee

    trade him for a Big Mac and some fries.

    • Jesse

      I’d be happy with a small Philly Cheesesteak that was already bitten into.

      • Havok9120

        And a bag of balls!

        Damn, already used that joke.

  • Bo Knows

    I’m not going to make the same joke as everyone else, but if hopefully cash can try and pull a deal of ramiro as a small piece for some kind of package deal for Dom Brown.

  • Landry

    I’m curious about all the Dom Brown love. Yes, he’s young and cost controlled, but beyond that I see nothing special. Sure you can throw out the term “upside”, but he seems to have more potential to be a replacement level. Maybe I’m missing something in his stats.

    • Reggie C.

      Best case scenario , Dom Brown busts thru in Scranton and replaces Swish cheaply next season.

      • Ted Nelson

        Best case scenario he’d replace Ibanez… Dude already has plenty of AAA success, and he can’t field so a DH role with some OF would be great.

        • Landry

          Agreed he could replace him, but the fielding issues were one of the big negatives I saw.

          • Ted Nelson

            Ibanez is awful and very unlikely to improve at this age, while Brown has the potential to improve… heck, at that age he should improve.

        • YanksFanInBeantown

          Is he a poor fielder? I always hear him described as a five-tool guy and he has pretty good speed, so I doubt he’d be that bad with a return to right field, (where he belongs). Most of what I know about Brown is second or third hand though, so I could be wrong.

          • Ted Nelson

            Was pretty awful and not just in terms of advanced metrics, but in terms of fan reaction to just bumbling plays. He was their everyday RF for a good stretch before Pence. Literally didn’t play a single inning in any other position besides RF.

            • YanksFanInBeantown

              I was referring to the article this spring training which was the first thing I saw when I googled “Dom Brown defense”. It was from this spring training, because he is switching to LF out of deference to Pence.

              It’s good to here that he’s more bumbling than he is slow, though. Bumbling can be fixed, range only gets worse.

    • Ted Nelson

      Don’t you make this exact same comment every single time his name comes up?

      Other people do see the potential, clearly. If you disagree, that’s fine. Different people will have different opinions on prospects.

      Really, though… He OPS’d .980 as a 22 year old and was named BA’s #4 prospect in baseball before an injury marred season… so if you don’t see the potential I have no idea what to tell you. His OBP remained very high in 2011 at AAA, and a wrist surgery sapping power isn’t that surprising… in fact, hamate injuries are directly linked to loss of power for months. For what it’s worth he was raking in ST before hurting his thumb this year.

      • Landry

        Actually, no I don’t. I asked ONE time and one person replied they were wondering the same thing. I’m simply asking what everyone else sees in him that others didn’t.

        • Ted Nelson

          See my last paragraph. 4 or 5 tool potential that manifested itself in a very strong performance on every single level up to AAA by 22 years old. A good approach at the plate that translated into a strong OBP through the minors. A wrist injury known for sapping power that did just that.

          You can disagree with the long-term projections people have because of flaws that may be exploited at the MLB level (long swing, defense), but it’s really hard to miss what people are optimistic about if you take two seconds to look into the guy.

    • YanksFanInBeantown

      Look at his stats in 2009 and 2010. He oozes tools and he should be fully recovered from his broken hamate bone by now. There’s a reason he was ranked above Montero in most prospects lists going into last season. Law had him at 3.

      • http://fendersonandhampton.com Cuso

        Oozes tools….there’s a joke here somewhere.

      • Landry

        Thanks. This is why I was asking. I didn’t realize he had been ranked that highly.

        • YanksFanInBeantown

          No problem, Brown is one of those sneaky good prospects who was never really hyped as much as he deserved, probably due to Philadelphia’s propensity to trade away all of its prospects for established major leaguers.

    • Bo Knows

      He is essentially a 5-tool player, who has shown that he has good control over all those tools. The only reason he hasn’t hit for a higher average is because the phillies don’t give him regular at bats

      • Ted Nelson

        He was their every day RF for a while, so that’s just false. Brown played almost every single game from when he came up in May to July. He had wrist surgery before last season. He was physically incapable of starting the season with the team, it’s not that they decided not to. He didn’t perform (maybe due to the injury, which is known for sapping power… or maybe just due to adjusting to MLB… or maybe because he’s not good enough), and they acquired Pence pretty cheap… so they sent him down to develop/recover.
        http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/.....onic-brown

  • Accent Shallow

    Please, take him.

    (My opinion may be biased, since I think I’ve seen every one of his 15 career errors, either on TV, or in person. And his noodle bat doesn’t help)

    • Havok9120

      Yes. You’re definitely biased.

  • Rainbow Connection

    Are they interested…sexually?

    • Havok9120

      I IS OFFENDED!!!1!!1!one

  • Preston

    The DomBrown is obviously a pipe dream, but what about Nunez or Pena + Vazquez for Thome? That’s the LHDH I want. Maybe throw in Sweaty Freddy to sweeten the deal.

    • J-Joe

      Thome for Peña straight. Maybe throw in Ibañez just to see the face of their fans

    • https://twitter.com/#!/MattMontero1 Matt Montero

      Didn’t Thome sign this year? I thought he can’t be traded until June then?

      • Plank

        He can’t unless he allows it. He also won’t be traded by the Phillies because he’s cheap and good and the Phillies exist to win games, not to trade good cheap players to the Yankees.

  • Plank

    The Phillies are interested in Pena because their starting 2b is out for a while and their backup 2b is out for 6 weeks. Pena will bring in almost nothing back in a trade. The Yankees getting a useful part for this season is impossible. The Yankees getting a prospect who could turn in to a useful part is almost as impossible.

    Think more along the lines of Justin Maxwell for Adam Olbrychowski or Greg Golson for Mitch Hiligoss. Dom Brown, seriously? I hope that was just people rosterbating and no one seriously considering it.

    • Plank

      I just wanted to toot my own horn and alert everyone that I remembered and spelled Olbrychowski correctly from memory. Mitch Hilligoss didn’t fare so well.

    • https://twitter.com/#!/MattMontero1 Matt Montero

      I think most of the people are thinking that they will replace Pena with Nunez and then add someone like Phelps

  • Joe

    Nunez and Maxwell for Brown and either a AA pitcher or AA Outfielder.

    • YanksFanInBeantown

      Brown AND?

      As in they would give us more than Brown?

      Nunez and Maxwell don’t come close to being worth Domonic Brown.

  • Will (the other one)

    I don’t see a whole lot of sense in shipping Pena off for a special-needs prospect. Unless the Phils want to talk about expanding the trade to bring back something useful, I’d rather just keep Ramiro around.

  • RetroRob

    Pena has value to the Yankees being what he is. A cost-controlled back-up infielder with MLB experience with some speed who can bounce back and forth between AAA and the minors. Bernier could fill that same role, although he is not as good as Pena. There’s a reason why he’s 32 this year and has had four MLB AB’s. He’s minor league depth, but he’s still behind Pena on those depth charts.

    So the question is, what do the Phillies have to offer that’s better than Pena and fills another need of the Yankees. If it’s nothing, then there’s no reason to make a deal.

    • Plank

      I agree with everything you are saying. I feel like with Pena though that if a team is willing to give him major league at bats for 6 weeks, the Yankees would trade him. It’s similar to when players get offers from Japan and the Yankees let them go even though they are under no obligation to let them.

      If Ramiro Pena is taking ABs for a team playing the Yankees, the Yankees will have won the trade.

      • Ted Nelson

        I think being a SS might change that compared to if he were a RF who couldn’t hit, but who knows?

  • Jake

    I think the best we could do is take an upside pitcher like Colvin, rather than brown. Maybe Pena plus someone.

    • Fernando

      Colvin is one of the Phillies top ten prospects. I’d gladly take him, but seems like a high price to pay for someone like Pena.