Jun
24

Mailbag: Jose Quintana

By

(Dilip Vishwanat/Getty Images)

Travis asks: Why did the Yankees let Jose Quintana walk after 2011? He is having a nice year to date with the Chicago White Sox.

Quintana, 23, has pitched to a 1.53 ERA (3.18 FIP) in five starts and two relief appearances (35.1 IP) for the ChiSox this year after pitching to a 2.91 ERA (2.96 FIP) in 102 IP for High-A Tampa last season. As we learned last August, he started his career in the Mets’ farm system before being released — following a PED-related suspension — and hooking on with the Bombers. There’s a good chance the Yankees will get a look at him when the Sox come to town for four games late next week.

Joel Sherman wrote about Quintana today (great timing, eh?) and the team’s decision to let him leave as a minor league free agent after last season…

…the Yankees did not put Quintana on the 40-man roster, making him a free agent. GM Brian Cashman said they deliberated on the matter and, despite a dearth of quality lefties in the system, “We looked at him as a fringy prospect. We offered him a minor league contract to stay, but not a 40-man roster position. We didn’t feel he was ahead of other guys we gave spots to. It was a numbers game, but right now it does not look like a good decision.”

Quintana’s agent hunted around for a 40-man roster spot and found a taker in Chicago. Quintana made nine starts in Double-A before coming up for good when John Danks hit the disabled list. He’s excelled at limiting walks (1.53 BB/9 and 4.5 BB%) and homers (0.51 HR/9) but he hasn’t racked up many strikeouts (5.09 K/9 and 15.0 K%) or ground balls (40.4%). Quintana uses his upper-80s fastball and mid-80s slider heavily but will also mix in the occasional upper-70s curveball and on the rarest of occasions, a mid-80s changeup. Sherman spoke to a scout who had a little more to offer…

A scout for an NL team who saw two of his major league starts reported a good fastball that Quintana cuts and sinks, but worried there was no clear swing-and-miss pitch, and also that the southpaw had a bad pickoff move and was slow to the plate, making him susceptible to stolen bases.

It’s worth noting that White Sox pitching Don Cooper is the best in the business, with a long track record of turning mediocre arms into solid starting pitchers if not more. Guys like Esteban Loaiza, Gavin Floyd, and Phil Humber owe a great deal of their MLB success to Cooper. Who knows what he did with Quintana to lead to this success, if anything.

The Yankees protected two pitchers — David Phelps and D.J. Mitchell — from the Rule 5 Draft last offseason (as well as three position players) but they were still left with an open 40-man spot and theoretically had room for Quintana. Whether or not the southpaw’s success is sustainable given his lack of strikeouts and grounders — of if he’d even have this success without Cooper — is worth debating, but the obvious it would be nice if the Yankees had him in their farm system right now. They goofed, it happens.

Categories : Mailbag
  • kenthadley

    You mean Cashman goofed on a pitcher? Well, everyone’s allowed one mistake.

    • yooboo

      Cashman historically sucks when it comes to southpaw. His only best move is Boone Logan. Banuelos is not out of wood, yet.

      • pat

        Rapada sucks, Marte sucked the list goes on.

        • dkidd

          damaso marte helped the yankees win a world series

          i’ll take it

          • RetroRob

            Considering Rapada was picked up off the scrapheap for nothing and has been useful, something “Cashman” has been excellent at doing (and, btw, do people really think Cashman is scouting these players??), I’m guessing he wasn’t serious. And if he was, well…

          • qwerty

            Wasn’t Damaso Marte originally traded for a utility infielder? Great move.

        • Rich in NJ

          I think the more important takeaway is that Rapada cost nothing both in terms of cost of acquisition and salary, so even if he sucked (which obviously, he hasn’t), it would be easier to write him off than Marte.

          • JobaWockeeZ

            It’s sarcasm because Cashman ahs to be defended to everyone’s dying breath. But using Marte is a completely hilarious example.

            • jjyank

              Giving Marte a 3 year deal wasn’t great, and even poor in hindsight, but flags fly forever man. He was money in the World Series, so I’ll take it.

              I don’t think everyone defends Cashman to their “dying breath”. I do think Cashman is a very good GM, however, and his critics tend to over exaggerate more than his supporters do.

              • Robinson Tilapia

                Marte and Feliciano were asenine contracts which probably should have never happend, flags fly forever, etc.

                Giving fungible middle relievers ridiculous money is something too many teams do, though, not just the Yankees. It’s stupid just about every time.

                At least we can point to Wade, Logan, etc., as examples of where this franchise is able to build a more efficient bullpen.

                • jjyank

                  I do hope they’ve learned that a healthy balance between the farm system and the scrap heap is better than overpaying for relievers. I just don’t think giving a player $8 mil over 2 years, or $12 mil over 3 years is really enough to get worked up over.

                  It’s funny, I remember a few years ago, I wanted the Yankees to sign Scott Linebrink. The bullpen was bad at the time, and I thought he could help. Then the White Sox went ahead and gave him a four year deal. Mind you he was never a closer either. Just a middle reliever. So yeah, all teams do shit like that.

                  • Robinson Tilapia

                    This is why I’d probably make a lousy GM. I’d be constantly throwing shit at the wall until something stuck with my bullpen.

                    • RetroRob

                      Actually, I do believe to some degree that’s what the Yankees do, so maybe you’d be a better GM than you think.

                      I’m being serious (on the bullpen part). Yes, they have the lock-down arms like Rivera, but they are constantly shifting in arms to mix and match to see what sticks every year, be they picked up off the waiver wire or pulled out of the farm. We see D-Rob now as one of the lock-down guys, but he was just another arm from the minors. Wade, Eppley, Aceves, Logan, Coke, Rapada, Noesi, Phelps, etc. Different arms being moved in and out now much more effectively than the past. I do have the feeling every April that part of the pen is being built on the fly and I’m fine with that.

                      When you get the ilk of Yankee fan who knocks the orgnization for going after the Martes and then knocks them for going after the Rapada types, it’s pretty clear they haven’t thought it through.

                    • .zip file

                      All teams do that. The Yankees are a bit better at it, though.

    • Mike HC

      haha … good one

  • Duzzi23

    I remember reading Quintana’s stats in DOTF last season and were pretty impressed. I thought it was weird the Yankees let a lefty with a successful season go in the offseason. I guess if he keeps this up you can add him to the list of Clippard, Kennedy, Axford, Melky, Montero and Ajax having success with other teams. Even if he has a regression due to a low strike out and ground ball rate he will still be a useful pitcher for Chicago.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Every franchise can have such a list developed about them. There are players currently on the New York Yankees who other teams gave up on.

      Half your choices are laughable anyway. No one gave up on either Ian Kennedy or Austin Jackson. They netted you Curtis Granderson. Melky Cabrera went through two other teams before finding success and, if you were around three years, you would have been trashing the bejesus out of him on here.

      The jury is still out on Montero/Pineda. I was not a fan of deal but, when it happened, I understood the reasoning.

      This leaves you, from your list, with Tyler Clippard and John Axford, neither of which I could give a rat’s ass about.

      • jjyank

        Yeah, I pretty much agree with this. Also, let’s get Montero off of the list of players who are performing well with another team. I know he’s young and has plenty of potential, but let’s stop reading his minor league scouting reports and applying them to his 2012 MLB season. A sub-.300 OBP does not warrant a him being on a list with Kennedy, Clippard, and Axford.

        And as Tilapia mentioned, Melky was released by the Braves after a downright terrible 2010 season, so that’s not really on the Yankees. They only person you can blame on that one is Melky himself, he appeared to have slacked off and gotten out of shape, thus trending downwards for a few years in a row.

        Ajax and Kennedy got us an MVP candidate. So that really just leaves Clippard and Axford. If those two are the biggest pitching mistakes Cashman has made, I’m cool with that. It’s not like the bullpen is a weakness anyway.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

          Also, Axford has sucked this year.

        • Mike HC

          When the talent on your Major League roster is stacked and also have a very good and deep farm system, you are bound to have multiple guys stick with other teams with less overall system talent.

          • Mike HC

            my bad, meant this a new reply

      • qwerty

        Sure, we’ve acquired throwaways from other teams, but how many of those players had or have all star potential? The answer is none. This has been the case since Cashman became GM of the yankees. We have picked up some useful players here and there, but we have never acquired the same level of talent we’ve consistently given away. Those are the facts whether you want to believe them or not.

    • RetroRob

      The problem with your list is list is ignores that IPK is he was sent out to bring in your 40-HR hitting CFer. Or that IPK’s career stats translate to a near 5.00 ERA in the AL East. I don’t really hear him mentioned much anymore than that his ERA this year is 4.5 in the NL West and is leading the league in hits allowed. Or that Melky was basically an 83 OPS+ player for five years.

      In the world of Yankee fans like you, you want to get the Curtis Granderson’s without giving up a prospect. You want to bitch and moan about the Melky’s when they’re here being mediocre, and then bitch and moan when they have a career year.

      • qwerty

        Granderson was a 20+ homer guy with an OPS just under .800 and a BA of .250. That was the guy the yankees traded for. They didn’t trade IPK, Jackson and Coke for a 40 homer CFer.

        • jsbrendog

          he hit 30 the season before they traded for him. please try, you know, fact checking.

  • Typical MIT Nerd

    What I don’t understand is why teams goof when the stats are there for the age. His fit his level. That’s reason enough to hold onto someone.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      Because stats aren’t everything. Guys with great minor league stats greatly outnumber guys that can actually play in the big leagues.

      • Gonzo

        Can’t scout a box score.

        • Deep Thoughts

          In his defense, his handle is “Typical MIT Nerd,” which explains volumes.

          • Robinson Tilapia

            I still maintain he majored in Liberal Arts there.

  • Chad Gaudin the Friendly Ghost

    A ‘fringy prospect’ with stuff in the 80′s who doesn’t get strikeouts or groundballs, and doesn’t have a swing and miss pitch. It seems very reasonable that they didn’t get caught up in his handedness and keep him.

    If he turns out to be a quality pitcher in the Majors past his small current sample size you can’t really fault Cashman for missing something. I don’t see the big deal.

    • Kosmo

      scouts say stupid shit all the time. He mixes his pitches well and is what all of 23-24 years old ?

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

        What makes you say he mixed his pitches well? He’s thrown his FB and SL a combined 90% of the time this season.

        • Kosmo

          You can change speeds on and use good location with 2 pitches mixing in an occasional CU or CH .

          • Deep Thoughts

            I would much rather read a professional scout’s stupid shit than yours, if this is what you got.

  • Kosmo

    yes NY goofed for sure. I can´t remember what the 40 man roster looked like during the offseason but I´m sure there must of been a few far more “fringy“ prospects on the then roster.

  • Smart Guy

    We didn’t feel he was ahead of other guys we gave spots to. It was a numbers game, but right now it does not look like a good decision.

    - Seems like every interview ends with the same for cashman in most of his moves hmmmmm….

  • RetroRob

    Did the Yankees goof? 35 innings does not a career make.

    Let’s check back on this one.

    • Kosmo

      you´re right but doesn´t it seem just a little odd Chicago was encouraged enough to let Quintana who hasn´t pitched above high A ball going into this season make the jump to the bigs.
      To me that is either one the Pale Hose were desperate or two they have shown a great deal of confidence in the kid.
      he could turn out to be a decent LHP . Who knows?

      • Easy E

        You mean the team with a minor league system at or near the bottom of most rankings? Yeah, I can’t believe it either.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          I mean, not the team that gave Philip Humber a shot as well. Surely not them.

          It worked for them. Good for them.

  • yooboo

    Honestly, I don’t see how Quintana’s short success with White Sox will be identical or better as a Yankee. Also, Girardi will not demote Hughes nor Nova in favor of Quintana.

    • Rush Stern- megarobothead

      more importantly, id ehrn itd all said and done, we will all be right back rooting for the yanklees.

    • Travis

      What if we had him instead of Rapada? At least we would for sure have a 2nd lefty who could also be a long man.

      • jjyank

        Maybe, but it’s not like Rapada has been bad.

        • Travis L.

          I know. I’ve been very surprised with Rapada. Looking at his stats and such from previous MLB experiments, he has looked like a man on a mission!

  • dkidd

    after yesterday’s game, people are bashing cashman over the construction of the bullpen???

    • Easy E

      replace “yesterday” with “this season”, but still +1.

    • Deep Thoughts

      Yes, the scrapheap LOOGY who has K’d five straight, and the throw-in on the Javy Vazquez trade who stranded the tying run at third with one out using a wicked slider. I wish “Stairs” would go to work on some of the chronic Debbie Downers.

      • Cesar “Stairs” Cabral

        *sniff*

    • RetroRob

      It confirms that some people will find something negative even in areas that are acknowledged strengths, such as the Yankees bullpen under Girardi/Cashman.

  • Brian S.

    We didn’t have any room for him because we needed three mediocre LOOGY’s on the 40 man. Brilliant move by the front office.

    • LiterallyFigurative

      Who are the 3 mediocre LOOGY’s you speak of?

      • Robinson Tilapia

        Andy Pettitte
        Lefty Gomez
        Lefty Grove

        • Pat D

          We got Grove, too? Friggin’ sweet!

          • Robinson Tilapia

            I’m thinking Brian is confusing “MiLB deals” with “40-man spots” and trying to make a comment about O’Connor, Cedeno, and whoever else we’ve got on the Scranton Traveling Circus.

            • Travis L.

              Cabral, Thomas and Rapada maybe?

            • Travis L.

              Cabral, Thomas and Rapada maybe?

  • NYCSPORTZFAN

    i remember talking on this site about QUintana last yr, and i believe mike felt like i did, and that was Quintana could amount to something.. I could be wrong, but i thought it was mike that agreed? U don’t let guys like Quintana go, especially when ur motot is u never have enough pitching…

  • NYCSPORTZFAN

    So far so good for quintana today 28pitches and 20strikes through 2innings.. The guy throws strikes..

  • Bubba

    Seriously? There hasn’t been a GM that doesn’t have a story like this. Cashman has made his share of bad moves and good moves in what is probably the toughest GM position in the game. A year from now, two on the outside, no one on this board will remember Jose Quintana.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Well not the commenters above. I looked them up and could not find a single mistake made in their respective MLB administrative careers.

    • Dino Velvet

      “what is probably the toughest GM position in the game.”
      ———————————————————–

      Yeah, that $210 million budget is brutal. Billy Beane sends his sympathies.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

        Money doesn’t guarantee success. Just look at the Red Sox and Phillies this year.

        • jjyank

          And with that money comes the expectations and decision making over 9 figure contracts.

          I don’t get why some people think it’s so easy to be a GM just because you’re in a large market. That’s a double edged sword.

        • Dino Velvet

          I didn’t say it did.

          I said wasn’t “brutal”

          Cash had the luxury of a printing press to sign Giambino, while Beane had the brutality of dumpster diving.

          • Robinson Tilapia

            Yeah, those GMs out there are just working with peanuts, aren’t they?

          • G

            Because Beane has done such a great job lately right? Yeah, no.

            The difference between them is that Beane can afford to get weird and screw up without a word against him. If Cashman screws up, the hounds are released.

        • Pat D

          And a lot of recent Dodgers, Mets, Cubs and White Sox teams.

      • Bubba

        Figured some sub-moron would bring up the money. Money is great if you’re the only one holding the purse strings. Let’s ignore the mandate Championship or failure that comes with the money. Let’s forget about meddling ownership that can saddle you with long term guaranteed contracts. Finally, let’s ignore doing your job in the number one media market in the country.

        Cashman is a good GM who makes his share of mistakes like all other GMs.

    • jjyank

      Yup. Quintana is a blip on the radar and nobody will remember this “mistake” by next season. This is just par for the course for a GM.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        I hope he grabs his crotch and gives Cashman the finger when he goes into the HOF on the first ballot. I wish people would focus on who’s on team a hell of a lot more.

  • Raul Rosa

    who will the yankees sign on july 2nd?.. Any word on who they have been linked to?

    • Pat D

      Roger Clemens.

  • Dino Velvet

    Cash legally changed his name to “right now it does not look like a good decision”

  • LiterallyFigurative

    FIRE CASHMAN! He let Quintana go! We are Doooomed!

    Never mind he’s added good to very good relievers along the way (Logan, Wade, Rapada, Eppley). Since THIS guy wasn’t protected, it must mean Cashman’s an idiot.

    It must be fun holding GM’s to standards that are basically impossible.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      I wonder if there is someone on a Rangers blog right now asking for someone’s head because Eppley’s pitching well.

      • Get Phelps Up (formerly Freddy Garcia’s 86 mph Heat)

        Fire Freidman because he let Wade go. And the O’s FO needs a shakeup for woefully misjudging Rapada.

        • jjyank

          Heh, though to be fair, the O’s FO is bad.

  • Greg

    Clippard was a bad trade.
    Montero/Pineda is kind of a wash so far because Montero has not done well with the M’s.
    AJax got us Granderson.
    Melky was a horrible move, not just because of what he’s doing now but because Javier Vasquez did next to nothing in his return.
    Axford’s not having a good year this year.

    But Clippard and Melky were bad moves.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Yeah, I’d agree with this assessment, especially how you framed the Logan, er, Vazquez trade.

      I’m just not going to lose too much sleep because they gave up on Tyler Clippard too quickly and didn’t get much in return.

      • Greg

        Jonathan Albaladejo?

        They got nothing back.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          I’m agreeing with you, Greg. Quit while you’re ahead.

          If you’re really going to argue the semantics of “didn’t get much” versus “got nothing,” I don’t know what to tell you.

          • Robinson Tilapia

            Also, in my head, they got the Attorney General for Clippard and not Albie, which might actually be worse than reality.

            • jjyank

              Wow I had completely forgot Gonzalez even existed. Nice reference.

            • Pat D

              Attorney General seems to be a thankless job since Janet Reno left. If I ever hear that fucking “song” that Ashcroft wrote ever again…

              • Robinson Tilapia

                Janet Reno guest-taught my US History class in high school for a day when she was still just State Atty for Miami-Dade County.

              • jjyank

                “Crime, crime, rockin’ like Janet Reno
                Time time, 18 and life in Chino
                Void void, all along it’s true
                Well you see the coming day catches up to you”

                Bonus points/best friend status if you can answer who this is by without Googling.

                • Pat D

                  Sounds like a rap song, so I have no idea.

                  • Robinson Tilapia

                    Googled it. Not what I thought. You gotta keep em separated.

                    • jjyank

                      You know that Dexter Holland came up with that phrase for a song while doing a biology experiment? He couldn’t get some bacteria or something to grow, and then he realized he needed to keep the two dishes separated. Boom. Single on the best selling independently released album in history.

                  • jjyank

                    “Original Prankster” by The Offspring. My favorite band growing up.

          • Greg

            Fair enough. I apologize.

            • Robinson Tilapia

              *hug*

        • Get Phelps Up (formerly Freddy Garcia’s 86 mph Heat)

          Misjudging a middle reliever who turns out to be good isn’t anything to get worked up about. The Rays gave away Cory Wade for nothing. The O’s gave away Rapada for nothing.

    • Get Phelps Up (formerly Freddy Garcia’s 86 mph Heat)

      Melky was one of the worst players in baseball after he was traded. He was DFA’d and then picked up by the crappy Royals where he had a breakout season that nobody saw coming.

      • Greg

        But the Yankees got very little back in that trade. combine that with what Melky has become, its a crappy trade

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

          So if the Yankees had re-signed Melky like A-Rod wanted, would it have become a good trade?

          • Greg

            No, it still would have been a bad move because Javier Vasquez was horrible.

            • jjyank

              Again, hindsight. The Yankees traded for a pitcher in the Cy Young conversation the year before, nobody thought Vazquez would fall off a cliff like that. Prior to the trade, he was a virtual lock for being in the neighborhood of 200 IP and 200 K’s every year.

              • Greg

                Everyone one of these complaints is based in hindsight. There’s no way to complain otherwise. Doesn’t mean we won’t stop complaining.
                However, I do recall several people questioning the Vasquez trade when it happened.

                • jjyank

                  I personally don’t believe you can criticize a trade with the benefit of hindsight. The decision was made without it, so that’s how I feel the trade should be evaluated.

                • Deep Thoughts

                  People who complained about the Vazquez trade were still butt-hurt over 2004. It had absolutely no rational basis in his peripherals or recent performance. Any competent GM trying to improve his rotation makes that trade 10 times out of 10.

                  And you keep ignoring the fact that a throw-in journeyman LOOGY is now excelling as a legit setup man in the AL East. That impresses me way more than Melky mashing the NL West for two and half months.

        • RetroRob

          …but the Yankees got a 4th OFer for several years for Melky. So you’re suggesting they should have kept him and then had the worst player in baseball the following year? Or are you suggesting they should have called up teams and told them, “trust me, Melky is going to have a career year in a few seasons, so we want your best prospect?”

          I kid, of course, but they got what they wanted out of Melky at a low price for five plus seasons, and they got a decent bullpen arm for three years now in Logan.

          If you think Melky is great, then send a letter to Cashman and tell him to sign him for six years and $90 million. I pray they don’t.

      • jjyank

        Like I said somewhere above, you can only really blame Melky himself for that. The dude was out of shape and (reportedly) out of focus. Getting DFA’d by the Braves was his wake up call. Melky was trending in the wrong direction for a couple years before the trade as well.

        2006: .333 wOBA, 98 wRC+
        2007: .317 wOBA, 89 wRC+
        2008: .285 wOBA, 69 wRC+
        2009: .331 wOBA, 94 wRC+

        Does that look like a player who screams “Don’t trade me, I’m invaluable!” to anyone? Back in the day, commenters on here were throwing Melky into every trade proposal they could think of. Any now trading him is horrible? Hindsight is awesome.

    • Dino Velvet

      you can’t judge montero that way, cuz he’s in a poor line-up, in a pitchers park.

      put him in boston’s line-up, in between papi and gritty, and all of the sudden he’s seeing and crushing quality pitches like middlebrooks.

      • Greg

        But those were givens going into the trade. That did not just pop up during this season. I had a feeling Montero would not bash in that park because it is a pitchers park

        • Greg

          And also as to that trade, the secondary components have been washes too. Jose Campos has been great in the minors, but has some injury problems. Hector Noesi has been abysmal for the Mariners.

      • jjyank

        Maybe, maybe not. You can’t say that for sure. Montero hasn’t been walking either, and that’s not a product of the lineup or the park.

        My logic for the lineup part is that if he were in a good lineup, pitchers would be coming right at him, thus a good lineup wouldn’t help his OBP as a rookie.

        Playing on a good team would help of course, but his numbers aren’t of the Chase Headley variety, meaning a move to a new team could bring out a superstar. As far as I’m concerned, the only difference a park makes is that more potential homers are doubles. Maybe a few fly balls on the warning track, but I don’t think that accounts for a bad season by itself. As far as the lineup goes, that’s just as much on Montero. He should be taking the walk if they’re not throwing him strikes.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

        Yeah, just like Adrian Gonzalez after all those years with the Padres.

        • Get Phelps Up (formerly Freddy Garcia’s 86 mph Heat)

          He has 6 HRs and a .314 (!!) OBP. And people are bitching that Tex has underperformed…

          • Greg

            No one notices this when you have Will MIddlebrooks, Cody Ross, and Daniel Nava hitting and driving in runs.

            Really bother me.

            • Get Phelps Up (formerly Freddy Garcia’s 86 mph Heat)

              Although it will become more noticeable when those players either a) get hurt or b) stop ridiculously overachieving. Plus he’s there for 6 more years at ~$25M/year.

  • Robinson Tilapia

    Yanks added the AAA pitchers plus Zoilo/Mesa last year to the 40-man. I understand the AAA guys perfectly, and you can’t argue that much. You could make an argument that Zoilo/Mesa had the same hit/miss potential as Quintana, but rather as position players. You can’t protect everyone. Two/three years ago, they left Nova unprotected and he wound up being returned immediately. It’s hard to argue with the Yanks’ 40-man decisions last year.

    I could see reason for some griping if this guy emerged after the same off-season the Yanks added three utility infielders to the 40-man.

  • Crime Dog

    Eh, I’m not gonna be too distraught over losing Quintana. Yea, when he was in the Yankees org, I was pulling for him. However, if you’re going to lament over losing these types of guys, it’s gonna be a long season/rooting-career. Guys like Axford, Quintana, etc… are all going to have varying levels of success after leaving one organization. There’s plenty of stories of guys leaving like Quintana and not having any success. It happens, you move on and try to not lose players who can contribute at the MLB level.

  • Greg

    Speaking of trades and prosepcts, when did it become a law that whenever you go or get up to the Red Sox, you automatically hit .300 right away?

    Scott Podsednik, Cody Ross, Ryan Sweeney?

    Plus I thought the Red Sox had a meager farm system after giving away everyone in trades. Where in the hell did Will Middlebrooks come from?

    I know we have done this to some success in the past, but not to this extent. It pisses me off a bit.

  • Greg

    Speaking of trades and prosepcts, when did it become a law that whenever you go or get up to the Red Sox, you automatically hit .300 right away?

    Scott Podsednik, Cody Ross, Ryan Sweeney?

    Plus I thought the Red Sox had a meager farm system after giving away everyone in trades. Where in the hell did Will Middlebrooks come from?

    I know we have done this to some success in the past, but not to this extent.

    • jjyank

      It has been a little extreme. Add Nava do your list as well. They’ve had quite a bit of over achieving, for sure.

      • Greg

        And when he came up for the first time a few years ago, he hit a grand slam in his first game. I mean what the hell do they feed these guys? Its ridiculous what happens when they get there.

        • Bo Knows

          They feed them “vitamins” from Big Papi’s locker

    • Greg

      Sorry repeat comment

    • Pat D

      I believe the entity known as “Fenway Park” has a lot to do with it, but I admit I’m too lazy to go look at their splits.

      • Greg

        Middlebrooks .283/.290/.500 away
        Podsednik: .378/.410/.459
        Sweeney: .296/.329/.420
        Ross: .283/.368/.533
        Nava: .289/.383/.447

        So it’s not just at Fenway

      • Get Phelps Up (formerly Freddy Garcia’s 86 mph Heat)

        Nava .360/.489/.547 at home, .289/.383/.447 on the road
        Ross has no real H/R split
        WMB .366/.422/.659 at home and .283/.290/.500 on the road

      • Pat D

        OK, I looked at their splits.

        Sweeney: .289/.330/.389 at home, .296/.329/.420 on the road. So that’s kind of a wash. He is useless against lefties (.111/.158/.167).

        Ross: .264/.330/.549 at home, .283/.368/.533 on the road. Another wash, really. Ross is much better against lefties than righties, too.

        Podsednik’s sample sizes are really too small. He’s only had 70 PA.

        But, really, much like a lot of us expect that the Yankees will finally start hitting with RISP, shouldn’t we expect these guys to turn back into pumpkins?

      • Jesse

        Love it how you three guys posted home/road splits at virtually the same exact time.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      You also stop bathing is what I heard.

  • Raul

    international signing is about to start can anybody tell me who the yankees have been linked to or who they are scouting?

  • Tyrone Sharpton

    It’s only been 5 starts…might be fluky for all we know

  • Robinson Tilapia

    In conclusion, I think I can sum up my thoughts on Jose Quintana in only five words:

    “Let’s beat R.A. Dickey tonight.”

    • jjyank

      Assuming “R.A.” is in fact short for two names, that’s six words bro.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        I wrestled with that possibility before going with “five.”

        Cashman failed.

        • jjyank

          No. It’s A-Rod’s fault.

          /stuart a’d

          • Betty Lizard

            Seattle knew you’d use six words.

  • jjyank

    By the way, how in the hell did a post about Jose Quintana spawn over 100 comments? I guess a lot of us are bored today.

    • Crime Dog

      Straight up boredom.

      • jjyank

        I don’t blame anyone. I’ve been commenting myself obviously. I am also very bored. This is what I get for bundling all my errands yesterday instead of spreading them out. Ah well. At least I got to talk about Quintana all day.

        • RetroRob

          Well, you and I are responsible for 20% of the comments.

          I’m providing cover for you by lumping myself in that number. I only was a seven, now eight comments. : -)

          But, yes, boredom, and it’s been the only post this afternoon to focus on!

          • jjyank

            I appreciate that. I guess my question was really about myself, because I barely even remembered this guy’s name, and here I am throwing out tons of comments in a post about him.

            • RetroRob

              You’re one step ahead of me. I don’t remember his name at all. I’m sure I read about him when he was in the low minors, but I didn’t miss him when he was gone, and apparently neither did anyone else here since he was never a topic of conversation until today.

              I’m keeping track of myself. I’m now up to nine!

    • RetroRob

      Yankee fans are always more tense during Red Sox and Mets series. But, yeah, Quintana?

      Oh, btw, he pitched 8 innings of no-run ball today, but I couldn’t even count high enough on the number of young lefties who storm into the big leagues, pitch well, and then go bust. That’s the funny thing. It’s the overreaction.

      The real question(s) Cashman needs to ask here is, a) Is this for real or is he just the latest flash in the pan; b) did something change after Cooper worked with him; c) did we as an organization mess up and why?

      We’ll have access to none of this information.

      • Deep Thoughts

        AND BRIAN BRUNEY GOT THE WIN! ANOTHER GIVEAWAY! FIRE CASHMAN!

        BTW, should be interesting with Bruney and Youkilis in the same clubhouse. Without looking it up, I think there’s some beanball history there.

  • Steve

    Relax people, I doubt his ERA is below 5 in a month

  • Yankeefan Arod Fan

    youk trade to the white sox i guess well see him this week

  • Greg

    Speaking of the White Sox, it appears they just traded for Kevin Youkilis for two players.

  • Greg

    Apparently its for Zach Stewart and a UT infielder. Stewart was traded to the White Sox from the Blue Jays a couple of years ago.

    • Crime Dog

      Yeah, not too much for Youk, who they could’ve gotten for much more in the offseason.

      I’m not exactly expecting Middlebrooks to put up a .900 OPS for the rest of this year. Or his career. I cannot wait to hear what awful things Youk did while in Boston. It’s inevitable.

      • jjyank

        Yeah, I thought it was a pretty weak package as well. They better hope Middlebrooks is decent going forward.

  • Greg

    Now hearing that its Stewart and Brent Lillibridge who put on a show last year at Yankee Stadium defensively.