Aug
28

Thoughts following last night’s extra-innings loss

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Someone else starting hitting too, please. (AP Photo/Kathy Kmonicek)

I find these little “Thoughts following…” posts to be pretty therapeutic because they allow me to write about things on my mind that aren’t necessarily worth a full blown post; I just wish I had come up with them earlier. Hopefully you feel the same way. Anyway, I have some scattered thoughts to share after last night, so here they are…

1. I feel like I read this once a week on Twitter or in the comments or something, but last night’s loss legitimately felt like the worst of the season. This loss to the Rays and this loss to the White Sox were really bad as well, but not worst loss to the season bad. Frankly I kinda forgot about them until I dug through our game recap archive. Last night though, with the Yankees struggling in recent weeks and Rafael Soriano on the bump with a two-run lead and one strike to go (to the batter before Colby Rasmus) … yeah that one stings.

2. The Yankees are really, really going to miss Mark Teixeira while he’s out with his Grade I calf strain. Not counting the resurgent Derek Jeter or the suddenly prone to lefties Robinson Cano, the club now features platoon bats at first base, third base, left field, and DH in addition to the offensive black hole at catcher. That’s just way too many platoon guys. Injuries have forced it, but that doesn’t make it any easier for those fellas to remain sharp with irregular at-bats. That’s on top of missing Teixeira’s defense.

(REUTERS/Ray Stubblebine)

3. I mentioned last night that David Phelps has stellar 17/2 K/BB in 18 innings since returning to the rotation two weeks ago, but he’s also allowed four homers during that time. For the season overall, he owns a solid 45.1% ground ball rate but an eyesore 1.29 HR/9. Granted, that’s not Phil Hughes-level bad or anything, but it is a flaw. It’s impossible not to have been impressed by Phelps this year, but keeping the ball in the park is one of many things he still has to learn how to do.

4. I can’t get over how shaky the bullpen is, particularly the middle relief compared to the rest of the Joe Girardi era. Soriano has been excellent in the closer’s role despite last night’s blowup and David Robertson remains more than capable as the setup man, but those middle innings are just terrifying. When left-handed specialist Boone Logan is your number three reliever, that’s a problem. I feel like the Yankees want Derek Lowe to revert back into the 1999-2001 version of himself so he could soak up some late-inning appearances, but I’m very skeptical of that actually happening. He missed bats back then. Hopefully they’re claiming every half-decent reliever off trade waivers even if it means getting saddled with a bad (Francisco Rodriguez?) contract for a month. They need arms.

5. You know what would be nice? If the Yankees actually bothered to blow some games open from time to time. Nineteen of their 74 wins have been by five runs or more (25.7%) compared to 34 of 97 last year (35.1%) and 35 of 95 the year before that (36.8%). The Yankees scored double-digit runs 19 times in 2010 and 18 times in 2011, but this season they’ve done it just eight times. That can obviously change in a hurry, but you get the point. Three of those eight have actually come against the Red Sox, if that means something. Probably not. The offense isn’t what it has been in recent years (injuries have played a part in that), but sheesh. Some easy wins would be appreciated down the stretch.

Categories : Musings
  • Will The Thrill

    It’s hard to feel good about this team. Maybe we can do an overhaul in the offseason like the Red Sox and rid ourselves of the overpaid, old chokers.

    • http://twitter.com/#!/Clay_Bellinger Clay Bellinger

      Lol.

  • Todd

    Agree on 5, Mike. I was just saying to my friend that this team plays in too many close games, which taxes the bullpen. This doesn’t look like it will fix itself anytime soon, by the way, with Teixeira on the shelf.

    • rek4gehrig

      ..and also drives my blood pressure to dangerously high levels.

  • Frank

    Empty the entire farm for Justin Upton and Giancarlo Stanton. Get rid of grandy and gardner. Ill be happy with an outfield of Stanton and J-Up. Make it happen brian. kthnx.

    • http://twitter.com/#!/Clay_Bellinger Clay Bellinger

      Seems reasonable..

      • viridiana

        Yeah, really brilliant. Dump Grandy — a guy with 33 HRs– for Justin Upton– whi has a patehtic 11 — and throw in the farm too. That way you can not only be worse next year. You can also assure you’ll be bad for the nest ten. (Of course, you could get some good draft pick –, maybe).

        Justin Upton has to be the most over-rated and ridiculous “dump the farm” target in recent years. I realize he has “tools” and has had very good years in the past. But currently, at least 8 Yankees have superior power numbers. He’s supposied to be fast but he gets thrown pout an obscene number of steal attempts. And clearly, Arizona is shopping him. Yes, he could be better next year. And I wouldn’t mind having him if I could get him for a soon to be free agent plus one good prospect. But “dump the farm?”

        Amazing, but this has always been the story with the Yankees. Jeter only got a chance because fading veteran Tony Fernandez suffered a broken bone just before the 96 season. Before that, the papers were full of skeptical and scornful articles questioning wehther Bernie Williams had the “instincts” to be a major leaguer. Pettitte and Rivera got bombed in early starts — and almost never gotr another chance. To this day, critics question Gardner, though he’s pbeen perhaps the best left fielder and base runner in the league. It never ends.

        • Jose M. Vazquez

          I agree 100% percent with your views and let’s not forget the trade of Leiter for another overated right fielder.

          • viridiana

            Good one, Jose. I think I punched in my office wall when I read about that one

        • http://twitter.com/#!/Clay_Bellinger Clay Bellinger

          I was being sarcastic.

          It was the story with the Yanks in the 80’s, but it no longer is and hasn’t been for some time. When do they “dump the farm”?

          • viridiana

            Yeah, CB, thought you maybe were. Really addressing prior post. Though dumping prospects for veterans was the story of the 80s (Buhner, Drabek, McGee etc) it does seem there are many who would like to revive that MO. And Cashman, to my mind, seems almost terrified of giving youngsters a chance. The veteran signings have worked out well. But why Pearce, for example, when Mustelier has excellent splits against lefties. And strikes out far far less? Also, why Eppley after he has lost game after game out of the pen for the last month or so?
            Don’t want to turn this into Cash-bash because he has done phenomenal job in getting most out of scrap heap and waiver wire signings. But at some point, I do think he’s going to have to overcome the prospect phobia he seemed to develop with the Big 3 of a few years ago. Wake up, Brian, all those guys developed into useful MLB pitchers (OK, Joba not so at the moment). And where would we be without Phelps? Meanwhile, Warren had one bad outing and it’s like he developed leprosy.

        • YanksFanInBeantown

          Yeah, why would we want a 24 year old, who hit 30 home runs last year, with 3 years of team control remaining when we can have a 31 year old with 1 year of team control remaining?

          That’s just crazy talk!

    • LiterallyFigurative

      Stanton, yes, Upton, no

    • JMK

      Why on earth would Miami trade Stanton? Frankly, I don’t think we’d even have the pieces to do it.

      • YanksFanInBeantown

        I might not do Stanton for Harper straight up.

    • IBelieveInAJ

      Not so sold on Justin Upton, but I absolutely love Giancarlo Stanton and would be willing to give up almost anything to get him. Plus, this would completely change the dynamic of the Yankees lineup to once again have a lethal right handed power hitter in the 3 or 5 hole.

  • Samwise Eddard

    1. It was the worst loss of the season and I said last night we might look back on it as the day we lost the division.

    2. Players below Cano are going to have to step up. Chavy’s going to become unglued if they don’t rest him. If 4-9 can’t produce until Teix and A-Rod return then we’re in trouble.

    3. Phelps for Nova was the biggest upgrade since CC over CMW.

    4. The starters need to go 7, period. When Andy gets back we’ll have 3 starters who can go 7 so it won’t be as big of an issue.

    5. We should be blowing out teams like Cleveland and Toronto. There’s no excuse to lose to these clubs. When you don’t get production from 2/3rds of your lineup that’s what’s going to happen.

    • http://twitter.com/#!/Clay_Bellinger Clay Bellinger

      “1. It was the worst loss of the season and I said last night we might look back on it as the day we lost the division.”

      Yes, it was the worst loss thus far, but it would take more than just this one to lose the division.

    • TomH

      I agree with much of this but with a more pessimistic tinge, especially for your “if’s” and “need to’s” The starters do “need to go 7″ but in all likelihood will not. It’s probably an error to put much hope in Pettitte after such a layoff, such an injury, and at such an age. I also doubt that players in the lineup below Cano will come alive in the way the Y’s need them to. More and more Andruw seems to be finished, and while Martin may have the occasional hit, even x-base hit, he’s also dubious. Ichiro? He’s also a disappointment so far, despite the improved BA with the Yankees. He seems disinclined to walk, for example, and doesn’t get enough base hits any more to make up for that dearth of bb’s.

      Ibanez: slowing down, as per his age. Chavez, still OK, but with Tex out, I dread the workload increase that’s likely to come his way.

      And I’ll believe ARod’s ok when I see it with my own eyes. Given the violence of a baseball bat-swing, busted hands are unlikely to be more easily repaired than Bautista’s wrist inflammation.

      It really looks grim for the Yankees at this point, what with the Tex injury. Given how long Jeter’s calf kept him hobbling, I doubt we’ll see Tex very soon.

      Pitching? Two reliables and everyone else risky. Perhaps Hughes the least risky, but the O’s may test Flyball Phil. Seven innings from Garcia are unlikely. Phelps is just a kid, who will have to face some tough teams if Andy isn’t able to perform.

  • Jag

    I was really hoping myself for some easy wins during the 10 games they had left with the BlueJays, since we’ll probably be lucky to play .500 ball in the games against Tampa and Baltimore. Hopefully they pad their win total against Toronto and Boston just to ensure those games against Tampa and Baltimore can’t come back to bite the team.

  • Athenian

    While all valid points, this is not unexpected to see this team play this inconsistent. This team is not built to win a championship despite what is presented to the public. Instead, it feels like a team built just good enough to make the playoffs and then a collective “fingers crossed” hoping they get hot at the same time.

    In all the effort to reduce payroll, be smarter with baseball decisions and player personnel, the Yankees still have a strong tendency to go for the declining veteran instead of a younger star that has a higher ceiling (their usually traded). At some point, the Yankees are going to have to take more chances with younger players and perhaps reconsider the entire, hit, bloop, and a blast mentality.

    • jjyank

      “Instead, it feels like a team built just good enough to make the playoffs and then a collective “fingers crossed” hoping they get hot at the same time.”

      Isn’t that what every team does?

    • Stan the Man

      So they are built like every other team in MLB then? Once the playoffs hit it is basically a crapshoot. The Yanks have a mix of youth and veterans on their team which is why they are able to sustain injuries to the #1 starter, #3 starter, #4 starter, closer, set up man, clean up hitter and starting LF.

      This year their bench led by veterans who didn’t cost anything in regards to salary or prospects has helped them a great deal in building a 10 game lead in the division. This guys are all replaceable players at the end of the year and the Yanks will have roster flexibilty to provide competition for younger players to earn roles if necessary.

      When you have 8 players on your roster with 200+ homers the boop and the blast mentality is going to work.

    • LiterallyFigurative

      You sort of contradict yourself when you say the team isn’t championship caliber, then say they go for the veteran over the kid.

      If they were playing kids in certain spots, like the OF or off the bench, and the kids were having the usual ups and downs that just about all young players have, would the fan base be patient? We all know the answer to that. The fans would be calling up the radio stations and writing on blogs, trying to name a good veteran trade target to add.

      Let’s face it: most fans know the names of veterans, and name recognition brings a sense of comfort. Most fans don’t know the farm system unless Michael Kay name drops. The young player is given a short leash by the fans, media and team. It sucks, and I hate it, but that’s the way fans are.

    • http://twitter.com/#!/Clay_Bellinger Clay Bellinger

      What “young stars” with high ceilings were traded for declining vets?

    • gc

      “This team is not built to win a championship despite what is presented to the public. Instead, it feels like a team built just good enough to make the playoffs and then a collective “fingers crossed” hoping they get hot at the same time.”

      Wow. In that case, Brian Cashman must really be a genius. You make it sound so easy. Construct a team that can just barely make the playoffs. That’s simple, right? And then after you’ve won you’re 95 or so games playing in a tough league, then make sure there’s really no legit chance to actually win those short series in October. Brilliant.

      Or maybe, just maybe, ANY team that’s good enough to make the post-season has a legit chance to win in October because, as trite as it may sound, weird things happen all the time in the playoffs. Better teams lose. Great pitchers get beat. Shitty hitters come through in the clutch moment. We’ve seen it dozens of times with the Yankees alone, when they’ve won World Series and when they’ve lost.

      Tell me, were the Phillies built to win in the post-season last year? How’d that work out for them? Remember 2006 when the Tigers saw a ten game lead evaporate and then lose the division to the Twins on the last day of the season because they got swept by the last place Royals? That team went on to the World Series. To face the Cardinals, who had an 8.5 game lead on Houston with two weeks to play and wound up losing 7 in a row to see their lead shrink to just half a game. They finished the season 83-78. Please don’t tell me THEY were built to win in the post-season.

      All this “built to win in October” stuff is just nonsense. You can’t win in October if you don’t get there, and if you’re good enough to get there, you’re good enough to win. Laugh it off all you want, but there’s more “finger crossing” and hoping you get hot at the right time that goes on during those short series in October than any kind of master plan by a general manager to build the perfect team that can’t lose once October comes around.

      • DERP

        fantastic post

      • jjyank

        Agreed with all of this. Well stated.

      • http://twitter.com/#!/Clay_Bellinger Clay Bellinger

        Nicely done.

      • thenamestsam

        Great, great post. I think a lot of current Yankees fans were ruined in a sense by ’98-’01. Those teams’ remarkable string of postseason successes, and the unwillingness to attribute any of it to luck (both in the media and the fan-base) convinced many fans that there was some magical postseason formula which guaranteed those teams’ success. They (and every other team that does win) are retroactively tagged with the mostly undefined label – “built to win in the playoffs” – despite what you pointed out as obvious examples of the label being a less than perfect fit.

        My personal favorite: The 2000 Yankees who absolutely collapsed down the stretch, 3-14 heading into the playoffs, ultimately only hanging on to a playoff berth because the Red Sox couldn’t muster more than an 11-10 stretch to finish the season. I can only imagine what the 2000 RAB boards would have been saying about that team.

        • gc

          Truth. And the RAB gods would have been cursing the very inclusion of a guy like Luis Sojo in the starting line-up for a World Series game. Until he came through for the game-winning hit in the clinching game.

      • flamingo

        A+

      • http://twitter.com/stumpwoodley Bunt Gardner

        Excellent.

      • http://thecarsboneblog.tumblr.com Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle

        I just happened to stop here and read this post…this is one of the better I have ever read in the comment section. Well done sir.

      • rek4gehrig

        Amen

  • gageagainstthemachine

    I’m headed to NYC for a wedding this weekend and we received Yankee tickets for a wedding present from the groom for our own wedding just recently. I’ve seen the Bombers play twice, but never in NYC. I’m pumped to see YS, Monument Park, et al. And the game will be something to remember regardless of how it plays out. But I was telling my wife that the way things are going we may be watching their AAA team. This team just can’t get healthy and on a groove. Here’s hoping all comes together in September for a memorable run to the WS. We’ll see…

  • LiterallyFigurative

    Point #5 is the most poignant.

    All season it seems like the Yanks can’t put a decent rally together. If they score 1 non-HR run, it feels like a triumph. To have such a great OBP and waste it the way they have this year has been really annoying and might sink the team in October. I really don’t worry about the starting pitching. Overall it’s been pretty good.

    Now Tiexiera is hurt. Oy vey!

    Get used to Cano getting pitched around on a nightly basis. He might get the Barry Bonds treatment, where he’ll only see strikes when the opponent has no choice. Now, he still might swing at balls (as he’s been doing the last month and change), but pitchers will def approach him differently.

  • http://www.twitter.com/vinnyscafuto Vinny S.

    We’re now missing two big middle of the order bats and have a legit dead spot at catcher, it’s unreasonable to expect the team to produce the level of offense that we’ve been accustomed to. Have to figure that we’re going to keep scuffling at an about .500 clip until we get healthy, unless the pitching can carry us.

  • tyrone sharpton

    this is more like a rant, but i see your point

  • JohnnyC

    They’ll have to really earn it, given all the injuries and roster shortcomings. And what’s wrong with that? If they don’t have it in them to win the division with all the games they have left with Tampa and Baltimore then they don’t deserve it. The players, the coaches, and the GM are on the clock.

    • Stan the Man

      Yeah the team in first place doesn’t have roster shortcomings. They have had more injuries than either Tampa or Baltimore and stil have a sizeable lead in the division. The Yanks are currently missing 4 starting pitchers, 3 starting field players, and their closer.

      The roster shortcomings you mention are the precise reason why they are 4 games up in the division and why the Rays and Orioles have a lot of work to do to catch the Yanks. Injuries take their toll but to expect the GM and the coach to make moves to compensate for the signifcant injuries they have incurred to this roster is silly, since those moves have already taken place and are the reason why they are in 1st place. The players have to perform at this point in the season.

      • JohnnyC

        You spend two paragraphs arguing a strawman and then end up essentially agreeing with me. Good to see you have free time on your hands.

  • Mark L.

    Very simply, the offense is fading fast. Cano, Swisher and Jeter are the closest thing to “complete hitters” that the team has. Nearly everyone else seems to either pray for a walk or live off of the occasional solo home run. We need a big overhaul during the offseason. Cano is the only guy who I would actually want to build around. Everyone else is fighting against the tide of age, frailty or their own degrading skill sets.

    If the Yankees somehow manage to stem the fade and make the playoffs, I’m fulling expecting another one-and-done.

    • http://twitter.com/#!/Clay_Bellinger Clay Bellinger

      They are still a first place club. Overhaul? A bit strong, no?

    • LiterallyFigurative

      This is where Gardner’s injury, Romine’s back, and Nunez’s defensive shortcomings have really come back to bite them.

      Gardner > Ichiro, in that he’s a higher BA and OBP, which leads to more opportunities to create runs.

      Nunez > McGehee (sp?) and Nix. His speed and aggressiveness would be a welcome change from the station-to-station offense we have now. Even passable defense from Nunez, combined with the offense would’ve been a big boost. He would’ve played 3B vs. LHP, and been the SS on days Girardi wanted to DH Jeter.

      A healthy Romine would’ve been up by now, and been taking playing time from Russell Martin.

  • VCR1111

    It’s going to be a tough stretch no doubt about it. The team’s success now falls on the hands of the pitchers. We cannot expect much of the Yankees offense (aka The Replacements). Hughes HAS to step up. He needs to give this team quality innings and go deep into the game. Same goes for CC, Kuroda, Phelps, and Garcia. I have a feeling with the replacements in, we’re going to see a ton of strikeouts and 1-2-3 innings, so the arms need to match that. No other option.

    • Stan the Man

      Kuroda, CC, Phelps, and Hughes have shown the ability to pitch into the 7th inning and that trend won’t just stop, so I don’t think it is that big of a worry. The Rays can’t score, the Orioles only win close games, the Yanks will be fine.

      • VCR1111

        Hope so…I assume the Yanks will struggle to score runs as well after this recent injury. It’s about consistency for the arms going forward. The way the Yanks offense looks now, they cannot afford a clunker from Hughes as he has shown he can do. I’m hoping Kuroda keeps on rolling and CC shows why he’s an ace. A lot falls on the shoulders of Hughes, Phelps, and Garcia…that’s where it gets scary.

  • Mike HC

    I definitely like the “random thoughts” posts. I don’t necessarily agree with every thought, ha, but good posts.

  • E-ROC

    Carlos Marmol would fit the bill.

    • DERP

      I’d pass. He is under contract for about 10M next season.

  • Chris in Durham

    Totally agree. I had the same thoughts last night… and one more:

    6. Where the heck is the minor league bat that is supposed to help when this stuff inevitably happens? The upper level produced Phelps this year. That’s it… and it isn’t enough (and, no I didn’t forget about Montero). We have to get more out of that farm system.

  • Eric S

    Spot on Mike – also tired of seeing muscle pulls all it seems all the time (no one’s fault but still) – also they should have blown open games vs. basically a AAA team – would not rule out a collapse with all the injuries and missing the playoffs. Still no 9th inning comeback wins unless I am missing something – this team does not inspire confidence. If we miss playoffs (HOPE NOT!) wonder if Cash tries to imitate Boston

  • http://yes jim

    Last night, how come McGeehee doesn’t go to first, his position, leave Chavez at third? Maybe he gives a fake throw and they get the runner going back to third where Jeter was covering. Maybe McGeehee stops the throw. Not a great throw, but, certainly one that could’ve been handled. If Ichiro in right, does he get to the ball faster and with his arm keep the runner at second? Jones moves like Cano on one of his grounders and doesn’t give an true effort. And, is he really worth keeping around waiting for one of his infrequent homers. What is he, one for his last 12? Also, if you’re not going to use Joba, bring Wade back up. He might not do the job, but, Joba would be getting work in the minors. To praise Cash for bringing back a player they had at AAA. Could’ve saved Qualls…not the best, but, could pitch a complete inning, and not get McGeehee. The Wizards mix and match is killing the pen. Up three times a game to face one batter. I agree that Phelps should’ve been given the chance to get out of the inning.

    • JohnnyC

      The fact they traded for Pearce tells you all you need to know about McGeehee’s status on the team. Like Rapada in recent weeks, Joe chooses not to go there. As for Andruw, it’s obvious he’s completely done. But there’s no replacement for him on the 40 man. Even Dickerson would require a 40 man roster move and he’s left-handed anyway. And Joba has enough time in the majors that he could refuse assignment to AAA. They had to bring him up once his 30 day rehab ended. Now he’s stuck on the 25 man.

  • Hoss

    This team would not be as frustrating to watch IF:
    1. they managed to win A SINGLE GAME in which they were trailing going into the 9th inning. Closers blow games like Soriano did last night, just not against the Yankees;
    2. the offense could use an alternative approach to the homerun to score runs. It seems that even Ichiro is now wed to swinging for the fences instead of: stealing bases, hit and run, any sort of situational hitting with runners on base (eg sac flies, squeeze plays, etc);
    3. we had some legitimate major league-ready prospects to look forward to for next year. Everyone with talent seems to be 2 years away minimum;
    4. Is it just me, or does this team seem to lack passion? Don’t get me wrong: I think that Jeter and others are consummate professionals. But take Swisher away from this group and they are pretty unemotional. It seems that they need a sparkplug. Even when Jeter was hit in the head against Cleveland over the weekend, they did not show any more energy…
    Call me frustrated.
    And Mike, I will reiterate my recommendation that they pick up Carlos Marmol. Millwood is on waivers and that would be helpful, too, but Marmol could help next year as well.

    • VCR1111

      1. Technically the Yankees did score on the Blue Jays closer and he did blow a save…but I get what you mean.
      2. I agree it would be nice…this is where the hated batting average comes into play. Too many hitters batting .260/.250 or below. Those are a lot of outs which cause the BA to sink.
      3. The minor leagues have been torn up with injuries.
      4. I don’t think they lack passion. It’s just their personalities. Granderson, Jeter, Ichiro, and Cano for example aren’t really emotional. Swisher, and Martin are. Just personalities.

      • Hoss

        1. I didn’t say blow a save, I said blow a game. They did not win the game, nor have they won a single game this season going into the 9th trailing;
        2. Agree that their BAs are way too low, which is a reflection of the hitting approach. Swinging for the fences instead of making contact, going with pitches, etc. will do that;
        3. Even the injured guys are not close to major league ready, with the exception of Banuelos (and it is not clear to everyone that he was ready);
        4. You are right in that Martin is fiery. He is also hitting about .195. It would be nice if everyone (I’m talking to you, Robbie) busted their ass like Jeter going down to first. That might help with the morale, too.

        • VCR1111

          My fault…didn’t see the blowing game. Basically, the Yanks record trailing after 8 speaks for itself. They seem to go back to the points we have been making in number 2. Swing for the fences and hope the ball goes out. Last night was a perfect example. After Jeter hit the homerun, Swisher had one of the worst at bats I have ever seen. There was nothing in his mind other than hitting the ball out. The result? A strikeout. Our player development has been interesting to say the least.As far as Cano goes…I agree he should hustle down the line. Everyone should.

      • Hoss

        Sorry, “morale” is the wrong word. Enthusiasm is better.

  • Darren

    The Mets have been told to try hard for third place.

  • Al in Houston

    At least part of the problem seems to me to be we have Garcia and now Phelps, who wear out the bullpen on days of their starts. Then we have Joe, who really only trusts Robertson and Sori( probably justified). I have been holding my breath the last few appearances of Sori (you remember Sunday’s first pitch hanging slider that almost slid out of the park in CLeveland)………last night same thing……hanging slider and boom!……..and by the way, why not let Phelps go a little
    longer last night???

  • http://thecarsboneblog.tumblr.com Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle

    Last night’s loss was very frustrating, that’s why I haven’t bothered to read most of the comments in this thread, but one of the ones I did read was the comment about emptying the farm for Stanton and Upton. If this where MLB the Show, and the MLB worked on that kind of logic, I’d be completely okay with that trade(but it isn’t and they don’t, so it’s not going to happen). The one person who said that Upton doesn’t hit enough home runs either didn’t read the part about Stanton, because he has one of the best home run swings in all of baseball. Anyway what really concerns me about last nights loss is Tex’s calf. While last nights loss was heartbreaking, it was still only one game, and we’re still 3.5 and 4 up on Baltimore and Tampa respectively. However, our line up now until Alex comes back is going to be something along the lines of:
    Jeter
    Swisher
    Cano
    Granderson
    Jones/McGehee(Joe’s still gonna try his best to seperate the lefties)
    Chavez/Ibanez
    Martin
    Chavez/Ibanez
    Ichiro

    I’m kind of scared about that…anybody who isn’t is lying.

    • LiterallyFigurative

      The lineup almost has a National League feel to it.

      • http://twitter.com/#!/Clay_Bellinger Clay Bellinger

        Don’t say that. That’s horrifying.

        • http://thecarsboneblog.tumblr.com Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle

          It’s true though…hopefully Alex feels good after batting practice today and get get in a minor league game or two, then we can think about reinserting him into the lineup, and hopefully Tex is really only out 10 days to two weeks so within 14 day’s we’re looking at
          Jeter SS
          Swisher RF
          Tex 1B
          Cano 2nd
          A-Rod 3B
          Grandy CF
          Ibanez/Chavez DH
          Martin C
          Ichiro LF

    • VCR1111

      I think the top may be juggled a bit. For example (and I agree with your point about Girardi wanting to keep the LH/RH seperate):

      Against LHP
      Ichiro LF
      Jeter SS
      Swisher 1B
      Cano 2B
      McGehee 3B
      Granderson CF
      Jones RF
      Pearce/Nix DH
      Martin C

      Against RHP
      Ichiro RF
      Jeter SS
      Cano 2B
      Swisher 1B
      Granderson CF
      Chavez 3B
      McGehee/Nix DH
      Ibanez LF
      Martin C

      • http://thecarsboneblog.tumblr.com Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle

        I don’t want Ichiro at the top of the line up…you’re basically guaranteeing you’re line up at least 4 outs a game, he should be at the bottom of the order where he might get 3-4 ABs a game instead of the top, where he’s getting 4-6.

        • Luisergi

          I don’t have the numbers, but it sure feels like Ichiro hasn’t been that bad…

          • http://thecarsboneblog.tumblr.com Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle

            As a Yankee: .286/.310/.739 in about 120 ABs
            All of 2012: .261/.288/.353

            Like I said he just straight up doesn’t walk, at all.

        • VCR1111

          I hear you…I was just thinking that having Swisher bat third or fourth rather than 2nd would boost the possibility of scoring runs. Ichiro has been a .290 hitter since coming to the Yanks, OBP of .310.

          • http://thecarsboneblog.tumblr.com Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle

            Nah, Swish is ON FIRE in that two spot. Until he shows any sign of showing down even a little bit do not touch him. Baseball players are a very weird people, if you get them succeeding at a better rate then you used to, and they are comfortable (which has said multiple times he is) you let them continue being successful where they are. Look at Soriano as a great example: decent set up man, outstanding closer.

            • Luisergi

              0k so what about; Ichiro, Swish, Jeets, Cano, Chavez, Grandy, etc etc etc??

              //Half joking

    • Luisergi

      Oh i’m scared…
      I know it won’t happen but i’d go
      Against RHP;

      Ichiro
      Jeter
      Cano
      Swish
      Chavez
      Granderson
      McGehee
      Ibañez
      Martin

      V/S LHP

      Ichiro 7
      Jeter 6
      Cano 4
      Swish 9
      McGehee 3
      Granderson 8
      Jones/Pearce 0
      Martin 2
      Nix 5

      • http://thecarsboneblog.tumblr.com Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle

        Seriously…why do people want Ichiro to lead off. If he doesn’t make contact, he’s not getting on. He doesn’t walk at all. He has a BA of ~.280 as a Yankee, and most of those have been soft hit, lucky kind of singles.

        • Luisergi

          “… and most of those have been soft hit, lucky kind of singles.”

          I like those.

          I’m telling you-who-shall-not-be-named, RIGHT NOW i’d prefer Ichiro leading off, than Grandy hitting 4th.

        • VCR1111

          Only reason I had Ichiro on top was to push Swisher down to hit either 3rd or 4th rather than having Granderson or McGehee/Jones in those spots.

          • http://thecarsboneblog.tumblr.com Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle

            Like I said to Luisergi…If I’m Girardi, until he cools off or asks to be moved Swisher is staying in that 2-hole. He’s been one of, if not the, best hitter in the line up since being moved.

          • Luisergi

            This

  • Rich in NJ

    As some of us said after last season, they needed to add a bat during the past offseason, not subtract one.

  • stuart a

    amen..

    the blown saves would not hurt as bad as Hoss said if they ever came back late and won a game.

    this team has serious issues…joba in the witness protection program? his innefectiveness has hurt a ton also…..

  • stuart a

    i pass on marmol, he is lighter fluid. his walk rate is ungodly bad……

    • http://thecarsboneblog.tumblr.com Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle

      Oh my god. Stuart making sense. I agree 100000% on marmol, you couldn’t pay me to take him as a garbage time pitcher.

      • Hoss

        I have to disagree with you guys on Marmol. He has made adjustments since the beginning of the season and his BBs are way down.

      • LiterallyFigurative

        stuart would trade A-Rod for Marmol. :)

      • jjyank

        agreed…..

        this is weird…

        • http://thecarsboneblog.tumblr.com Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle

          Idk if you saw this JJ, but Erica killed any possible FIP-based relationship between me and her…she founds out I smoke cigarettes and was all like “nope, totally not.”

          • jjyank

            I didn’t see that, but this makes me a VERY sad panda. Not that you smoke, I don’t care. But any chance I had at reviving that meme apparently just died. For shame.

            • http://thecarsboneblog.tumblr.com Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle

              Yeah, I wound up having to take a bus that’s closest stop to my house is about a 2 mile walk and when I got home I was complaining in the Game Thread that I had to make the walk all that way w/o a smoke cause I was out. and she responded w/ the FIP is officially dead, smoking’s a deal breaker apparently.

              • jjyank

                Damn it. I may or may not choose to be stubborn and keep referencing that. Wait until the game thread to find out, stay tuned!

  • JohnC

    what team claimed Scott Hairston?

    • Mandy Stankiewicz

      Giants, I think.

  • Jose M. Vazquez

    We will know in a short time whether we merit to be in the playoffs or not when we enter a hand to hand combat against the Orioles and Rays. I would not have it any other way.

    • http://twitter.com/#!/Clay_Bellinger Clay Bellinger

      Hand to hand combat? Hah.

      • jjyank

        Don’t give Cash any ideas about the need to bring Sergio Mitre back.

    • dkidd

      i agree with this 100%

      it would have been nice to run away with the division, but is there anything more fun than a pennant race? bring it on!

  • http://thecarsboneblog.tumblr.com Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle

    I wonder how many people read Ben’s piece on MLBTR about CC and Tex. I personally lol’d a lot here would though.

    • http://thecarsboneblog.tumblr.com Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle

      a lot here WOULDN’T though

  • Robinson Tilapia

    Pussyfeathers!

    • jjyank

      Flapjack.

  • VT Yankee Fan

    The Yanks have now played just one game over .500 since the All-Star break (43 games). That’s a hell of a long time for a good team to just be treading water.