On the Brink: Yankees down 3-0 in ALCS after Game Three loss


More great pitching, more disappointing offense. One more loss and everyone will be on winter vacation.


  1. Repeated for emphasis:

    It really wouldn’t have been a Yankees loss without them making it more painful than it would’ve been otherwise.

    • Bob Buttons says:

      Hear hear. Teaser loses are so much more painful than a blowout would have been.

      Gotta love it when the team keeps your heart rates speeding for 3 hours and of course get you worked up all over nothing.

  2. Leonard Parker says:

    Cano finally discovered the the field does not end slightly to the left of the right fielder – in fact there is also “center field” and “left field”, and you’re allowed to hit the ball there too. Also, when you hit to left field it’s allowed to be a base hit, not all hits have to be home runs to right field. Unfortunately he waited until 2 outs in the 9th inning of the (effectively) deciding game after 8 games of ugly abysmal team-destroying offense. Thanks for showing up, Robbie. Maybe you can get another one of those “base hit” things next game, though it’s not like it matters at this point.

    I hope Girardi sits Swisher tomorrow too, he doesn’t deserve to play another game as a Yankee, thinking he’s entitled to $126 mil though he can’t ever deliver in the playoffs and then whining about fans calling him out on it.

  3. Jon G says:

    So does Nunez get to start at 3rd next year after Cashninja cons the Marlins into taking Arod and getting that declining, flirting obscenely overpaid outrageously underperforming Albatross off of our payroll..?

  4. Winter says:

    The Yankees have won 3 games in a row 17 times this year. Will this be very hard to pull of now? Yes. Is it impossible? No.

  5. FIPster Doofus says:

    This will go to seven games if the Yankees can get through tomorrow with a win. That’s my bold prediction.

    • Chris says:

      I hope you’re right.

    • If it gets to Game 7, they sure as fuck better win.

      Winning three straight, and then losing Game 7, would be only apropo with the Masters of the Tease.

      No, really. That would just drive me absolutely batty. Obviously we can only hope for one more game each day at this point, but from a retrospective POV, doing that kinda stuff would be the worst thing I can imagine.

      • Laz says:

        I’d feel much better about the team if they at least won a few games, rather than getting swept by detroit.

        • Again, it’s all just a hindsight-related ideology.

          We all want all the W’s they can get right now. But an 0-3, to 3-3, to seven-game-series loss, and a third loss to the Tigers in the playoffs in six years, and a second straight year losing a winner-take-all game to them in the Bronx…

          Man. Again, talk about true to form, this team making us all believe in them again, only for the air to totally come out of the balloon instead.

          • Fin says:

            I didnt beleive in this team going into the playoffs and I certainly dont believe in them now. If it goes to a game 7 by some miracle, I wont believe in them then either. I will hope though.

  6. Get Phelps Up (wins needed: 8) says:

    I count like, 10 strikes outside the box for the Tigers and only 3 for the Yankees, meanwhile there are 5 balls inside the box for the Yankees and only 2 for the Tigers. http://www.brooksbaseball.net/.....type=7.gif

    I guess the good news is that there were not any ridiculous blown calls on the bases.

    • stuart a says:

      verlander does get a ton of calls… a ton of calls… granderson 3 and 0, many other times outside pitch they give him and the clowns on tbs just said called strike ehen the k zone showed it outside by multiple inches….

  7. Rey22 says:

    Oh man, sucks that they lost, but this tweet absolutely cracked me up:

    “Kate Upton is frustrated when Justin Verlander can go that deep but still not finish without a little Coke.”

  8. Joe F (Believe) says:

    Could still win. I honestly believe.

  9. Knoxvillain says:

    Bashed all year for saying they aren’t going anywhere. Bashed for saying the Yankees won’t beat the Tigers before ALCS Game 1. Bashed for saying they won’t hit a bunch of home runs in the postseason. Bashed for saying that the Yankees won’t score runs this postseason.

    I wish I was wrong. This year fucking sucks.

  10. The Voice of Bob Sheppard says:

    Oh, somewhere in this favored land the sun is shining bright;
    The band is playing somewhere, and somewhere hearts are light,
    And somewhere men are laughing, and somewhere children shout;
    But there is no joy in New York City – Raul has struck out.

  11. Anonymous says:

    I predict that this series is over. But the Yankees will win tomorrow to avoid the sweep, 2007 style.

  12. Cano fan #1 says:

    What about bring alex for Ichiro in the 9th????

    • Get Phelps Up (wins needed: 8) says:

      They’d have just brought in Benoit.

    • Eddard says:

      I couldn’t believe people were saying PH ARod for Ichiro or Raul in the 9th. People have wanted ARod benched for a week now. Ichiro had 2 hits today and is hitting over .300 for the playoffs. He’s been our best hitter with Raul a close 2nd. You don’t PH for those two against Phil Coke.

      • Cano fan #1 says:

        In the 9th inning down 2-1 I bring A-rod again a left hander pitcher and I don’t care if he strikeout 500 times in that at bat men.

      • DT says:

        Raul had one HR off Matsuz and suddenly everyone acts like he’s no longer a platoon hitter. .492 OPS vesus lefties guys…

        • Austin's Bat says:

          No kidding. For a saber site decision making has gone bananas. The manager should be putting the players team in the best position to succeed. Ibanez (and to a lesser extent Ichiro) are just high probability outs. The problem is its easy for the press to crush Girardi if Swisher goes up and flies out. Its the easier press decision to stay the horrendous platoon matchups. Because NY press is stupid and loves to pile on.

          • Fin says:

            Platoon splits are great for a season or several, they dont take into account whats going on at a single point in a season, and pinch hitting for Ibanez with Arod at this single point in the season would have been as fucking moronic as it gets.

          • Bo Knows says:

            The defense is that Arod has not shown he can catch up to a good fastball regardless of who throws it right now. As much as I think Coke is an overrated reliever (Note I thought this even when he was with the Yankees) he still has a high octane fastball, and since his return from the wrist injury, Alex has shown little ability to catch up to that pitch right now, and might not be able to until next season.

            Also there is a good chance, that if Alex was brought in Benoit would have been brought in.

            Personally I’d much rather ride the hot bat, than hope that a slumping player just a few weeks back from a significant (and power sapping) injury is going to break out of his issues in one at bat.

            This though is a damned if you do, damned if you don’t moment…both arguments are defensible and the only way to call it a good move is if it works.

      • Mister D says:

        Boone Logan got Miguel Cabrera to make 2 outs in 1 PA therefore Boone Logan should face Miguel Cabrera against in Game 4 (and Game 5, 6 and 7 if they take place).

  13. Knoxvillain says:

    Say Verlander is a FA after 2014. Yankees magically get under the 189m mark by ~3m. Do the Yankees go for him?

  14. Yankees have not been swept, period, since the 1980 ALCS.

    They have not been swept in a best-of-7 series since the 1976 World Series. That was also the last time they were in danger of getting swept.

    So, I guess this is the first chance at doing the reverse-2004 trick. That is, literally, the only thing we can hold any morsel of hope on – a reversal of the worst memories we collectively have as Yankee fans.


    • Jerome S. says:

      Well in all fairness they can and very well may lose this series, without being swept. They could win tomorrow and lose the next game.
      Not that I think that exactly will happen. I’m still holding onto hope until the final out.

  15. Jerome S. says:

    Honestly, I’m pretty disappointed in this year’s team. It had so much potential at the beginning! And then they had crisis and injury… but regardless, at the All-Star Break, they were playing some of the best baseball they’ve played in years. Then it all seemed to go so wrong. It’s not fair really. And really, it’s alright. They’re in the ALCS! They were a great team regardless! But something about it has been sub-par. And all year I’ve been defending it, and I will still. But all in all, the past season has been fairly disappointing, perhaps for just some foolish intangible reason of darkness and doom and gloom and weakness. But that’s how I feel.
    Still hoping for tomorrow.

    • Sweep or not, at least they won a playoff series.

      So, at the very least, they hold higher regard with me than the ’02, ’06, or ’11 teams. Those are three teams that I’ll never be able to get over.

      Rally Monkey…fuck that thing.

      • Little CANOlli says:

        Those Angels teams in the 00s were the worst

        • I love how the narrative from that ’02 Angels team is the classic Scosciaball, “playing the game the right way” bullshit that the media spews about every time the Angels come up.

          I’m sure Troy Glaus, Tim Salmon, Garret Anderson and, fuck, Adam Kennedy’s lucky day, hitting home runs had nothing to do with it. All we’d be led to remember is the nine David Eckstein’s who filled out that lineup.

          2005 isn’t a year I loathe. Angels were the better team, and the Yankees were not World Series-calibre that year. Losing Game 5 sucked, but I got over that one a long time ago. What I don’t get over are #1 seed/one-and-done years like those three mentioned above.

          There’s just nothing in the world worse than that, as far as good baseball team’s go.

      • Fin says:

        Id say all of those teams were probably as a whole, they just didnt have the fortune of facing the O’s in the first round.

  16. Eddard says:

    I still think we’ve got a shot. CC and Andy will get this series back to NY and then anything can happen. I liked the fight shown by Gardy and Nunie. They should remain in tomorrow’s lineup. Grandy and Chavy did nothing so if you want to go back to Swish and ARod, fine. The team showed a lot of heart in that 9th inning and Paulie says it’ll carry over. I think it’ll come down to Game 7 CC vs Verlander.

    • jim p says:

      Somehow, I feel it’s not over. Common sense it’s over, but if CC does his thing and Andy his… even though we didn’t get many hits, we were seeing lots of pitches, which we hadn’t done in the 1st seven games. Especially Gardy. That might be a sign the offense is waking up.

  17. JobaWockeeZ says:

    It’s going to be a very interesting offseason.

  18. Jobamania says:

    Lineup i want to see tmrw
    Ichiro – RF
    Nunez – SS
    Cano – 2B
    Teix – 1B
    Ibanez – DH
    Arod – 3B
    Granderson – CF
    Martin – C
    Gardner – LF

  19. Get Phelps Up (wins needed: 8) says:

    If they lose this series, I think this is going to be the one of most underappreciated ALCS teams ever.

    • Anonymous says:

      The 2010 Yankees don’t exactly hold a special place in my heart.

      • Get Phelps Up (wins needed: 8) says:

        That wasn’t like this year where people have seemingly been saying the for entirety of the year that offense sucks, CC is not an ace, DFA Player X, release Player Y, THEY’RE DONE, etc. To me, it seems almost as if people are constantly waiting and even sometimes hoping for them to fail. I mean for christsakes, they dealt with countless injuries to key players, several players had down years, and they STILL won 95 games in the toughest division in baseball.

        • Anonymous says:

          This team is very resilient. But they also underachieve, play below their talent level, are leaving me wondering what could have been if they had cashed in on just a few of all of those excruciating RISPfails, and how much better they would be without all of those freak accidents. I had a ton of hope coming into this year, but after a certain number of season-ending injuries and manifestations of the “RISPfail” (to the max), “too many homers”, and “can’t hit homers in the playoffs” narratives that unfortunately seem more and more true every day, one must wonder why they are putting so much stock into a team that has been so disappointing considering the golden opportunity they had this year to take it all. I don’t know, this team just agitates me. Maybe I expect too much from them. It’s painful to watch this team play, and when they do win, I feel relief more than joy or happiness.

  20. Rahul says:

    Who stays and who goes?

  21. Wayne says:

    I doubt he ends up on the Yankees. Anyway congrats to Verlander and an early congrats to getting your first world series ring.

  22. YanksFanInBeantown says:

    Well, Swish just needs to make them all do a shot of whiskey before the next four games.

    If it work for Kevin Millar?

  23. johnnymac says:

    As long as the team doesn’t quit, I wont give up either. It has been a surreal series so far – tough to face JV down two. If we the chance to get to their pen a couple more times, get back to NY, who knows.

  24. Winter says:

    I try to stay optimistic. Winning four straight elimination games is tough, but if there’s anyone I want pitching, it’s CC, Andy, Hiroki, CC.

  25. John B says:

    Where Have You Gone Yankee Fans?

    By: John Becker

    Apathetic! Fair-weather! Quiet! Uninspired! Cheap! Bad fans! Never in my life did I ever think that I would hear these terms being thrown around when referencing Yankee fans. But here we are in the midst of a Yankee playoff run in the year 2012 and the national media is in a frenzy over the Yankees inability to fill the ballpark to capacity in three straight postseason games. What started with a very late arriving crowd last Friday for a rare 5pm start to a decisive ALDS game 5, spilled over into the first two games of the American League Championship series. Empty Seats. Lots of them. Sections of them in fact. Twitter and other social media outlets erupted. How on earth are the New York Yankees, the iconic crown jewel of the modern sports world, unable to fill their stadium to capacity for the playoffs? Some think that there is a long list of contributing factors. I take a more simple view. The tickets are priced astronomically high. And then some.

    Before we can delve into the topic of outrageously high ticket prices we have to lay some framework and set some expectations. The New York Yankees have not had trouble selling tickets to any game, regular season or playoffs, since the 1980’s and early 1990’s. Then of course in 1995 the Yankees made the playoffs as the first ever American League Wild Card. The very next year they won their 23rd World Championship. The first since 1978. I won’t bore you with all of the magic that ensued in the next 7 years but the Yankees went to 6 World Series’ and won 4 of them. It was one of the greatest sports dynasties in history.

    With their unimaginable success fans poured into the ballpark in record numbers. From 2005-2007 the Yankees drew over 4 million fans in the regular season and capacity playoff crowds of over 56,000 in each home playoff game. The Yankees were knocked out of the playoffs in the first round every one of those 3 years but it didn’t matter. The fans showed up in record numbers. In 2008, the swan song for the old Cathedral known as Yankee Stadium II, the franchise drew an unprecedented 4.3 million fans in the regular season. There would be no playoff magic that year as the Yankees finished in third place and watched the expansion Tampa Bay Rays advance to their first World Series. The Rays had a listless small fan base and the organization was forced to hand out tickets for free just to get people in the seats. I remember laughing with several Yankee fan friends of mine. How was it possible that an organization would have trouble selling tickets to a playoff game? I mean isn’t this what every fan lives for? Little did any of us know that our beloved Yankee front office would suffer this same problem a few years down the road.

    The Yankees opened their new stadium in 2009. A spectacular, expansive, gaudy, sparkling, bejeweled ballpark. George Steinbrenner had at last fulfilled his dream of constructing and erecting a sports facility fit for baseball royalty. In his famous final address in 2008 to the final crowd at the old Yankee Stadium, Derek Jeter said “we are relying on you to take the memories from this stadium, carry them over to the new stadium and continue to pass them down from generation to generation.” Apparently not everyone got the memo. The memories of the old Yankee stadium are ever fading, replaced by images of the modern bourgeoisie who have made the new Yankee stadium there playground and stomping ground. Why the change? GREED. Greed, the driving force behind so many corruptions and inequities in the modern metropolis we live in.

    In short, when the New York Yankees built the new stadium they created a ticket pricing structure that was so drastically unaffordable and outrageous, they priced their fan base right out of the ballpark. The Yankees wanted to make money. Swell. Who doesn’t want to make money? Yes it’s a completely rhetorical question but an important question nonetheless. Of course the organization wants to make money but at what point do the extreme practices of moneymaking and greed ultimately cause a great downfall? We are witnessing the beginning of that now and it’s both fascinating and depressing.

    The highly touted “luxury” baseball experience has attracted a fan that was once unknown to the New York baseball scene. In the old stadium fans were content with a Budweiser and a hot dog. Most fans didn’t leave their seats unless they had to use the restroom. At the new house, the legends seat goers can enjoy a nice surf and turf dinner in the legends club before catching a glimpse of the baseball game while sipping a glass of chardonnay. If they get hungry mid game they can always duck back into the club for an inning or two to grab a nice roll of sushi. Or if they are feeling extra advantageous, they can have a meal in NYY Steak or the Hard Rock Café. Thirsty? How about a $19 Malibu themed cocktail in the Malibu terrace. Or a $16 shot of whiskey in the Jim Beam Suite club. Want to do some shopping? You can peruse the merchandise at one of the many Yankee team stores. Or you can stroll through the Steiner sports Memorabilia store and buy a pair of Mark Teixeira game worn pants for a thousand dollars. So many things to distract you from the baseball game being played just a few feet away. Isn’t that the reason you are here, to watch a baseball game? Am I missing something here?

    In 2009 the Yankees drew 3.7 million fans. Despite a smaller stadium than the old building, the average crowd was down nearly 6 thousand and overall attendance down more than 600,000. As the allure of the new stadium wore off over the next couple of years so did the crowds. The 2012 season attendance was the lowest since 2003. Even with the drops in attendance the Yankees were able to sell out their post season games. Until this year. This year was a disaster. But why? The Yankees won 95 games and the American League Eastern Division. Surely fans weren’t no-shows because they thought the team was no good. Weird start time at 5pm? Just ask the Cincinnati Reds about weird start times. They were able to fill the stadium at 1pm on a workday and school day. Too many games in a row? Yes the Yankees played 5 straight home playoff games without an off day, but aren’t we forgetting that over the course of a regular baseball season spanning 162 games, many teams play stretches or 7, 8, 9, even 10 games in a row without an off day. People show up for those don’t they?

    Let’s stop searching for complex reasons why there are so many empty seats. Let’s call a spade a spade shall we. The tickets are too expensive and the economy is piss poor. New Yorkers are finally fed up with being ripped off and they are revolting in a quiet way. They aren’t showing up. No protests, no violence, no throwing garbage on the field like Braves fans. They have just simply stopped coming. Now that doesn’t mean that the fans are bad and don’t care about the team. I have been a loyal Yankee fan since I was a young and it genuinely upsets me to the point where I felt the need to write this little manifesto, when I hear people using terminology such as “apathetic” when referring to Yankee fans. Why should the real fans bare the cross here? We didn’t do anything wrong. We root for this team day in and day out year after year. Unfortunately some Yankee fans no longer find the Yankee Stadium experience a fun one. My dad who has been taking me to games since I was little, would rather sit at home adjusting his surround sound before settling into his chair with a glass of scotch to watch a Yankee game. He still watches them every night. Just not in the South Bronx. Earlier this season we were given 4 comped tickets to a game against the Texas Rangers. The face value of our seats was $350 per seat. My dad still voices his disgust in concession prices, lamenting how two pulled pork sandwiches and beers set him back fifty bucks. Throw in the fact that it costs $50 to park your car and it’s no wonder why people have stopped coming.

    Several longtime listeners of WFAN sports radio 660 here in New York have called up the station this week to tell their stories of why they stopped going to the new stadium. Each one eventually alluded to the high ticket prices as being the most prominent reason for not attending Yankee games anymore. Just to back up my high ticket prices theory, let me provide you with some hard facts and numbers taken directly from the Yankee website (www.yankees.com). The premium ticket price structure for the ALCS at Yankee Stadium will run the average fan $860-$1,715. Per seat. Field MVP tickets are priced at $456. Per seat. Main level seating will set you back $236. Per seat. Even the lousy bleacher seats will run you over 40 bucks per ticket. Who in their functioning sane mind has this kind of money to spend? Rich people. Rich people who will show up to games late and leave early.

    There are currently well over 11,000 tickets available on stub hub for game 6 of the ALCS at Yankee Stadium. Some have argued that stub hub has diluted the ticket market and made it harder on the Yankees to sell tickets at face value. Boo hoo! If it wasn’t for stub hub selling tickets for game 5 of the ALDS for $15 I cringe to think how few people would be in the ballpark. The black market for tickets has gone cold and now even the brokers are feeling the economic woes. If the Yankees somehow learn how to hit a baseball and make it back home for a game 6, rest assured there will be thousands of empty seats.

    The old Yankee Stadium was once the greatest home field advantage in sports. Forget the college football games with 100,000 fans. Yankee Stadium during the playoffs was the loudest, most intimidating, ferocious venue on the planet earth. Opposing players crumbled under the bright lights and excruciating jeers of the South Bronx. It was remarkable really. I experienced it 8 times in person and not to sound overly dramatic but its life changing. Now the home field advantage is no more. The stands are scarce, the crowd is quiet and quick to exit at the first sign of trouble. Even visiting teams are starting to take notice. “This is a very easy place to play now,” Tigers outfielder Quintin Berry said. “Coming from Oakland, the fans there were so rowdy. It was easier to come here.” Even though he is 100% right, Quinitn Berry is a nobody and has been in the league for a hot second. It is this mentality that drives me crazy.

    The media and baseball fans nationwide now view the Yankees as a joke. They think our fan base is a joke. They think our stadium is a joke and they think our team is a joke. Maybe there is some correlation between the Yankees lethargic play on the field and the pathetic attitude of the “new” fans. Ever think of that? It feels good to express my disappointment with all of this and give the real Yankee fans a voice. We are still here loud as ever, passionate as ever and eager as ever. Perhaps my sentiments are best embodied in a recent article written by Senior Yahoo Sports writer Jeff Passan in which Passan laments that the Yankees deserve the boo-birds and empty seats. “Gone are mystique and aura, the two temptresses of the Bronx, who blessed old Yankee Stadium with kismet and joy and brilliant baseball. In their stead are apathy and malaise, a couple of hags from Yonkers. They embody the new Yankee Stadium, a sarcophagus if ever there was one: no matter how gorgeous and ornate the outside, it remains filled with lifelessness.”

    • Jerome S. says:

      I’m so sorry, because it does look like you really put a lot in this, but Tl;dr

    • Usty says:

      Wow. Very well done.

    • I love exposé’s.

      There’s absolutely no way I have the attention span to reading something that long, anymore. Haven’t had that capability in years.

    • Anonymous says:

      You obviously put your heart and soul into that article, very well done. Between the Stadium crisis and the budget cuts, this is a very touchy period in Yankees history despite the team’s strong (yet disconcertingly aloof) play. For better or for worse, Hal sure isn’t anything like his father. I wonder how he’ll address these concerns, if at all.

    • Fin says:

      Imagine what it will be like when they reduce payroll and dont upgrade this offense? There is nothing enjoyable about going to the Bronx from NJ, driving or public trans. If they do reduce payroll and dont upgrade this offense, Yankee stadium will be reduced to the morgue it was in the 80s.

      • Fin says:

        Also, its not just the main stream media sad about Yankee stadium. I was watching game 2 with my Mom and my sister and they both asked me how come Yankee stadium was so empty. I told them how much tickets cost (they live in Colorado) and they laughed, and said they couldnt believe how many people were there. The ticket pricing is a bit absurd. Most of the rest of the country cant even comprehend the cost of Yankee tickets. Which also means tourists arent going to the games.

        Mike always says its about the demand that drivers the ticket pricing. IN the Yankees case I dont think it does. There is clearly not a huge demand for Yankee tickets. The Yankees seem to fine with that and are living off the very rich and the advertising and Yes. It could be a good way to force fans over to Queens, as the Mets wont suck forever.

  26. DT says:

    Lets not play Chavez anymore please? Also if they find their offense like they did that last inning they can make this series interesting.

  27. Derek says:

    Feel confident in CC tomorrow, but the offense? Not so much. It sucks, obviously anytime you get pitching like this you think you’re going deep. This is the best staff the Yankees have brought into the postseason in a while, and unless we pull off an epic comeback it’s going to waste.

    • Jerome S. says:

      This is probably the most frustrating part for me. For years we’ve lacked the deep playoff rotation that other teams ride through the postseason, and now that we have one, we can’t hit.
      What the fuck.
      And obviously it’s not quite that simple, but that’s sort of my perception.

      • Derek says:

        Yep. Hopefully Hiro and Andy will want to return next year on one year pacts again.

        • FIPster Doofus says:

          And hopefully they’ll get some decent innings from Pineda. Not holding my breath there, though.

        • Andy Pettitte already had a gem wasted in his final career start in 2010, before he came back this year.

          I sincerely hope another gem of his isn’t wasted with Game 1. It’s unknown if he comes back, but I hope we all get to see him on Thursday afternoon, pitching to try and send this series back to the Bronx.

    • FIPster Doofus says:

      That’s why I’m mildly hopeful even despite the overwhelming deficit. This offense is capable of waking up at any given time. That time needs to come tomorrow. If it does, this could get interesting with CC, Pettitte, Kuroda and CC lined up for the rest of the seris.

      • Jarrod says:

        Agree, agree, agree!

        It is exactly why I have been optimistic the whole time – our staff is killing it. We probably only need 4 runs per game from here on in to make the comeback, the pitching is that good at the moment.

        Like Millar kept saying in 04′ – they better not let us win tomorrow!!

  28. mustang says:

    I have to say thank you for the comments in this thread to this point. It’s a nice change from the negative stuff the last few days. Funny that it comes when they are down 3-0, but I guess this is the time the real fan show up.

    Thank you again

  29. DT says:

    This offseason they need to keep the Pitching staff intact at all cost. Then trade for a hitter, and this team can probably make it far next year.

  30. eric k says:

    The crazy stat i think is this– including 2011 the series is

    Yankees 33 65
    Tigers 28 56

    The difference? In 1 run and extra inning games, Tigers are 4-0.

    That tells you everything you need to know about the 2011-2012 Yanks.

  31. Jarrod says:

    I know hindsight is 20/20 and all that but surely Girardi had to PH for Ibanez. How do you let a .197/.246/.246 (2012 vs Lefty) guy hit in front of a .308/.410/.514 (2012 vs Lefty) guy?

    I get the whole Raul is killing the ball thing (and he hit the winner off Matusz last week) but you can’t manage that situation on hype/emotion.

    They may very well have bought in a RHer but you then manage that situation if it happens. No point not making a switch because you think they will too!

    • Jarrod says:

      Not clear in the original post but the other guy was A-Rod.

      • Karl Krawfid says:

        Because this is the postseason and the majority of the team has been trash?

      • Rivera Venue Blues says:

        Because that other guy isn’t hitting like the .308/.410/.514 guy and the .197/.246/.246 guy isn’t hiting like that guy either? More than defending leaving Ibanez in, I really don’t think A-Rod would’ve been much better.

        • Jarrod says:

          I agree, the season stats don’t reflect what’s been happening for the past week or so but surely you have to play the numbers there. A-Rod has always hit well against lefties while Ibanez is the opposite. Hell, I would have prefered to see Swisher at the plate there.

          • Little CANOlli says:

            not PHing for Ibanez in the 9th was the least of their problems. Even if you do, Leyland would’ve just brought in Benoit. Would you really prefer Arod/Swisher vs Benoit over Ibanez vs Coke. Complete wash in my opinion

            • Fin says:

              NOt a wash. Ibanez was so far ahead in the better choice catagory its not funny. For all of you using splits how bout realizing that its a large sample size that make them relivent. They do not take into account a specific point in time. At this specific point in time, anyone that wanted to see Arod up over Ibanez is, frankly, out of their mind.

              • DT says:

                Ibanez hasn’t been able to hit lefties for his career. Arod’s 3 hits this postseason came off lefties. Force Leyland to make a move there.

          • Little CANOlli says:

            not PHing for Ibanez in the 9th was the least of their problems. Even if you do, Leyland would’ve just brought in Benoit. Would you really prefer Arod/Swisher vs Benoit over Ibanez vs Coke. Complete wash in my opinion

            • Jarrod says:

              I see your point but I disagree. Go with A-Rod, they go with Benoit, go with Swish. Swish vs Benoit would have had a better chance than Ibanez vs Coke.

              • Little CANOlli says:

                Just imagine this thread if Girardi had pinch hit for Swisher for Ibanez and Swish k’d to end the game. Hollllllyyy hell

                • Fin says:

                  LOL this whole thing has to be a joke. People using splits that are accumulated over 100′s/1000′s of AB’s. To make a decision to pinch hit for Ibanez with Arod, Cashman would have come down and fired Girardi on the field. Those splits do not take into account the playoffs or a weak of play. Put some thought before using your split stats.

                  • Jarrod says:

                    Oh, ok, let’s throw out large sample sizes in our decision making process and use 1 PITCH – that’s how many times Ibanez was useful against LHers! The game probably ends the same way but Ibanez K’ing in that situation was very predictable.

                  • Jarrod says:

                    Should he have pinch hit for Cano “taking into account the playoffs or a week of play”? Tough to say that would have worked out better…

  32. Jon G says:

    Do Yanks resign Ichiro to replace Swish as a bridge to one of the Tyler Austin, Mason Williams, Slade Heathcott, etc OF class, one of whom should reach the Majors by end of next year or 2014..? (barring injury, especially in Heathcott’s case)..?

    • Jarrod says:


    • Winter says:

      I’m all for replacing Swisher, but Ichiro isn’t the answer. There’s no way he can come close to matching his performance in September.

    • Get Phelps Up (wins needed: 8) says:

      I’d love Ichiro back if we could also a RH hitting counterpart (Cody Ross?) to man RF with him next season if we don’t resign Swisher. I really don’t want him as an everyday player.

    • DT says:

      Very likely

    • Little CANOlli says:

      No Ichiro is gone. maybe he comes back as a 4th OFer, but there’s no way he should be getting the bulk of PAs in RF. Expect Cashman to target guys like Choo, Willingham, CYoung, etc. in trades

      • TheLittleShip says:

        Who do you think we have that other teams would want? Who do you think we would trade for players of that caliber?

        • G says:

          I’ve been mulling over a Granderson+Hughes/Phelps (whichever they prefer, I hope they like Hughes and try to extend him)+Mason Williams for Shin-Soo Choo+Francisco Lindor, contingent on the Yankees locking Choo up to an extension. The Indians need starters, we give them one who would probably flourish in a pitcher’s park if they choose Hughes. Honestly, in Progressive Hughes would be a top of the rotation pitcher. I’m sure they wouldn’t complain about giving up an outfielder probably headed out anyway and a prospect for that. They could use a long term outfielder fix, we give them a temporary fix (or if they want to extend him, long term) and a top prospect who is a bit closer to the majors than the one we’d get. Lindor is a top shortstop prospect on pace for 2015 arrival, so basically perfectly timed to replace Jeter. It’s basically an outfielder+prospect swap, in which we get a better prospect back because we also kicked in a pitcher we only have for one more year anyway. That and we get a slightly younger (only one year but whatever) outfielder who I’d feel comfortable giving an extension. To solve his platoon issue, sign Scott Hairston to play in the OF against tough lefties.

          Yes, yes it sucks like all others, but it seems fairly plausible to me. Indians have Asdrubal Cabrera, if they extended him they could afford to trade away Lindor.

  33. Rich in NJ says:

    This team needs new people from top to bottom.

  34. your mom says:

    1 game away from being creampied in the asshole by the Tigers.

  35. stuart a says:

    still cant win a game if down after 8….

    they come close, get guys on base, but came back once all year….

    the good news is 1 day closer to never seeing nicky boy again.

    i am not fan of arod, I think he looks like toast, but they need to do something about him. either play him or get rid of him somehow someway. this is beyond a small issue, he is a cancer… he does not mean to be bad but he is clueless…

    • Anonymous says:

      No one is going to take his contract and there no way he’s going to retire and walk away from an extra $100 million on top of everything he’s already “earned”. He hasn’t become a complete liability yet but is close to reaching that stage. The Yanks are stuck with him until 2017.

      • DT says:

        He is still an above average 3rd basemen. Before the injury he had a .820 OPS. He’s overpaid and an albatross, but you’re also not going to find too many 3rd basemen who can give you those numbers.

        • Jarrod says:

          He’s still productive but the contract is the problem. Always has been, always will be. You might not find plenty of 3B that can match his numbers but you can fit another 3 players in with that annual salary.

    • your mom says:

      Really? You’re not a fan of arod??? Who would’ve thunk it?????

  36. David K. says:

    Ever since winning in 2009, Brian Cashman has been taking the team in the wrong direction. With moves like Javier Vasquez II, Jesus Montero to Seattle for Michael Pineda, etc. Getting players like Swisher and Granderson, who are low average hitters. Even the smaller moves like roster composition, going with 22 or 23 players with guys who walking wounded, not calling up replacements and not DL’ing injured players. Most recently, not putting Nunez on the 25 man ALCS roster despite the total lack of hitting. How long does this guy Cashman get a pass?

    • Anonymous says:




    • Little CANOlli says:

      Vasquez was terrible. We’ll see about Pineda. Swisher was here in ’09 and it’s probably one of Cashman’s top 5 alltime moves. Granderson deal is not looking good, but they still got production out of him. They were hitting fine going into the alds and they really didn’t need Nunez.

    • DT says:

      Wrong direction? Since 2009 out pitching has gone to shit. We finally have a good pitching staff this year and it’s been carrying us. The offense sucks now, but it’s not the norm. Now when your best hitter Cano is 1-30. Swisher was a cheap buy and Grandy has been inconsistent but solid and carried the team last year. Those are not bad moves. The Grandy Deal might prove advantageous for the Tigers in the end because they have Ajax longer but Grandy has provided a ton of value in his 3 years here. You also ignore his good moves such as moving AJ, getting Ibanez, Kuroda, Ichiro and etc.

      Pineda for Montero means jack shit because Montero has hit worse than Martin this year and worth little to no value over the average hitter. Pineda still have 4 more years to develop into an Ace or a number 2. Lets not give up on him just yet. Cashman was able to fortify our biggest weakness for the past 2 years which was pitching. Now the offense is starting to sputter don’t be surprised if he goes and mend that up this offseason. But overall he has been fixing our holes.

    • Rich in NJ says:

      Actually, even before 2009, because he hasn’t made a good trade for a top starting pitcher in over a decade, and the farm system hasn’t become the pipeline for top mL talent that he promised it would be when he assumed more power in 2006. In fact, he said a year or so later that he would no longer have to sign big name starting pitchers because of the mL starters that he was developing. So by the standard he set, he has failed.

      It was obvious after last season that offense, not pitching, was the team’s weakness, yet instead of keeping Montero (or trading him for offense) and signing Beltran, Cashman told everyone who would listen that “pitching held the keys to the kingdom” and that he was willing to trade offense for pitching. At the time, I had hoped he meant Swisher.

      The huge payroll advantage (and the unbelievable homegrown core that he inherited when he became GM) has enable him to cover up his serial mistakes, but now that’s no longer enough, and with ownership mandating an austerity budget, it’s apparent that Cashman is the wrong man for the job.

      • DT says:

        Carlos Beltran this season: .269/.346/.495
        This other guy: .272/.364/.473

        Basically no difference, unless you are paying Beltran for only postseason performance. And Last year the problem was pitching. We had Colon and Freddy Garcia taking up 2 of our rotation spots for god’s sake. AJ had a 5+ ERA and Hughes had a ERA approaching 6. We had CC and Nova as the only starters that were not terrible or on smoke and mirrors. So tell me, how was the pitching NOT a problem after last season? In two of our losses against the tigers last year the pitching staff gave up 5 runs each game. Give us this staff with the offense from last year, we roll though the Tigers.

        • Rich in NJ says:

          The other guy, also known as Nick Swisher, had a contract that expired after 2012. So if you wanted to keep him, you would have to extend him beyond 2014, the point at which Hal’s austerity budget kicks in. Beltran, otoh, signed a two year contract that would have nicely dovetailed with that budget.

          Any pitching problem could be addressed by adding Kuroda alone. Garcia and Colon’s respective performance demonstrated that decent fungible pitchers are/were readily available. They also had Phelps, who was a ML ready option-in-waiting.

          In contrast, the offense had a declining A-Rod, Tex, who has declined v. RHP since 2009, Granderson, who may have been coming off of an out of context 2011, and it was hardly foreseeable that Jeter would perform so well at age 38.

          So offense, not pitching, was their pressing need, and Montero was their only ML ready bat who had any real potential upside.

          (It’s more than a little amusing that people are saying that Ichiro only needed to get away from a pitcher’s park and a losing atmosphere in order to succeed, yet the same outlook is never accorded to Montero, who as a young player, can’t be expected to have Ichiro’s mental toughness in that losing situation in Seattle.)

          But even if you decide that pitching wins, which it doesn’t, as we are seeing so plainly, trading for a young pitcher in the injury matrix (i.e., under 26), who had had previous arm problems and only a fairly recent uptick in velo was ridiculously risky for a win-now team.

          • Get Phelps Up (wins needed: 8) says:

            If they had just signed Kuroda, then the rotation this year would be CC, Kuroda, Hughes, Nova and Garcia/Phelps. Not so confidence inspiring.

            And while the Beltran non deal looks bad now, let’s not forget that’s he’s a 35 year old outfielder with a history of injuries. There were plenty of reasons to be wary of him.

          • DT says:

            Adding Kuroda alone gives us CC, Kuroda and Nova. We had no clue what Hughes or who else would have given us. Also no one saw that Phelps was going to give us. That is all in hindsight. That still left a ton of holes and question marks in the rotation.

            The pitching was by far a concern because they wanted a long term young pitcher with Ace potential that would be cheap. That’s where Pineda came in, he was a short term and long term solution. Pineda had an elbow problem which is completely unrelated to his shoulder problem. Should they avoid every pitcher who has been injured before? If stasburg was available would you avoid him because he had tommy john surgery before?

            All of your offense points came in hindsight. Grandy came off an MVP year, and a good first half even if it was out of context I highly doubt anyone predicted how bad his second half would be. No one can foresee Tex having lung problems early in the year that affected him offensively or Arod breaking his hand. Even with the declines the Yankees ended up with the second best offense in the league and the best offensive in terms of wRC+. This putrid performance in the ALCS was no expected because this offense through 165 has never looked this bad.

            • DT says:

              On the point of Beltran. I thought he would have been fine as a DH. but passing on him was also foreseeable because he was injury prone and they had cheaper options.

            • David K. says:

              I love you guys who say “hindsight”. Granderson was a .240 hitter who played 80 games a year in a ball park the size of Yellowstone National Park. If you hit .240 there with the outfielders playing out of sight, what can you expect here. I did not want either Swisher or Granderson at the time we made those trades. How many more of these type hitters can we carry? The thing has finally come to a crushing end. And it was all forseeable for any GM.

              • DT says:

                Granderson hit .280 the year before he was traded. and .300 before that. Also did Grandy not hit .260/.360/.550 last year? Good thing you’re not a GM because you would build a team that won’t even make it to the playoffs, much less the ALCS.

      • The Big City of Dreams says:

        because he hasn’t made a good trade for a top starting pitcher in over a decade, and the farm system hasn’t become the pipeline for top mL talent that he promised it would be when he assumed more power in 2006.


        Now Rich give Cashman a break now they pick late in the draft and this whole prospect thing is just luck. That’s all it is.

      • Get Phelps Up (wins needed: 8) says:

        “It was obvious after last season that offense, not pitching, was the team’s weakness”

        I disagree. Last year, the rotation after CC was comprised of 2 lucky scrap heap pickups, AJ Burnett, and then Hughes (question mark) and Nova (great year, question as to weather he could repeat it). Pursuing pitching was absolutely the right move last offseason.

        • Fin says:

          The guy is smoking crack. He wanted to keep the staff of CC, Nova, Colon, Garcia, Hughes. The Yankess would have been battling the Sox and Jays with that staff.

      • David K. says:

        Agree with everything you said, except that I thought both pitching and offense was our weakness. He needed to shore up both and wound up doing nothing for the offense. I wanted Swisher and Granderson traded after last year but nothing happened.

        • David K. says:

          That’s regarding Rich in NJ.

        • DT says:

          Trade Granderson after an MVP year? Are you stupid? You want the offense to be better by trading away two guys who had good offensive years. My god, i think you might be mentally disabled.

          • David K. says:

            Those guys, along with Tex and some others, are exactly the reason why we struggle in the playoffs. If you had any brains at all, you’d see that these guys do not take professional at-bats. They only swing for the fences and never make the adjustments. So these are the guys who have mental problems and you are obviously blind as well as mentally deficient.

  37. RetroRob says:

    I decided to join some friends for the debates tonight. I figured it was not a deciding game, and I would either be surprised by the Yankees bats coming to life, or I would miss them losing and going down 0-3.

    It appears I made the right choice.

  38. Fin says:

    LOL, people want Cashman fired. They get to the playoffs every year, and are in the ALCS this year, probably not the year he gets fired, whatda ya think? Now, next year they might have more issues than any point I can remember. They dont need to go out and get a pitcher or 2. They need to revamp the lineup with a budget cut on the way, and Arod effectively reducing that budget by $30m of that $189, making it effectively a $159m budget. Good luck to Cashman going forward. The funny thing is that $30m Arod takes up in payroll is not Cash’s fault, and may get him canned in the end.

    • David K. says:

      A-Rod is not Cashman’s fault but almost everything else is. Can he make a decent trade to bring in players who are versatile and not .230-.240 hitters who swing for the fences on every pitch. My God, how can you win a World Series this way? I know A-Rod went crazy in 2009 and almost won it single handed for us, but that was an aberration. You cannot win with a selfish lineup that cannot (or won’t) make adjustments, won’t make contact, won’t take what the pitchers are giving them.

      • DT says:

        Are you stupid? I think you’re stupid. Granderson was a 5 tool player when they traded for him. His career line is .260/.340/.490. You saw last year when he put it all together and had an MVP year. Swisher is a career .260/.360/.460 hitter. Tex was a .290 hitter for his career before he got here. He didn’t go out and get .220 – .240 hitters you moron. The fact they dropped off or started to swing for the short porch is not Chasman’s fault because he did not tell them to do that. So yea i think you’re fucking stupid.

        • David K. says:

          My God, Granderson was not a 5 tool player. What are you, his fan club? You have gotta look at yourself in the mirror along with these stupid players. Because you are a fucking moron.

          • David K. says:

            I checked his career stats just now. You are a fucking moron. Granderson was always a strikeout king and he’s continued that here. Why do you think Detroit was so eager to get rid of him? Do you think 5 tool players in their prime are traded away for a minor leaguer and a so-so reliever? The fact that Granderson has come here are started hitting 40 homers a year doesn’t mean shit if he can’t make any adjustments and doesn’t have a clue about situational hitting. And the fact is that Cashman brings in these types of hitters. We’ve got at least half the lineup full of these types. Open your eyes and watch the games, stupid.

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