Wednesday Night Open Thread

Tigers land Torii Hunter with two-year contract
Price & Dickey win Cy Young awards

The hot stove is starting to heat up with one monster trade and one notable free agent signing taking place in the last 24 hours. Things around the Yankees are pretty quite, though that’s not unusual. The club tends to do a good job of keeping things on the down-low, which is why so many of their major moves tend to come out of nowhere. Doesn’t do us fans any favors, however.

Here is your open thread for the night. There’s some NBA action but neither of the locals are playing, so you’ll find another way to entertain yourself. Go nuts.

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Tigers land Torii Hunter with two-year contract
Price & Dickey win Cy Young awards
  • Sean A

    News from N.E. Pennsylvania. New AAA team name will be The Rail Riders.

    • Bo Knows

      sounds like a strip club….or a brothel

  • kenthadley

    Nolasco? What would it take?

    • Rey22

      …You are aware he’s not better than Hughes, and about twice as expensive, right?

      • kenthadley

        which makes him a decent 3

        • G

          … No. He’s a below average pitcher, period. What makes you think taking him out of the NL and sticking him in the AL East will make him a #3? His performance in Miami is already that of a 4 or 5.

          Now if the price is practically nothing and they throw in Logan Morrison in exchange for Adam Warren or something, then sure, do it and make him an overpriced long man. But he is not a guy we want in the rotation.

  • Max

    2 Marlins-related questions.

    What do other RAB readers think about Lomo on the cheap side? As far as what positions he’s capable of playing, he replaces Swisher, but is cheap and young with upside. He is, however, a lefty.

    Second, when do you guys think Stanton would become available, which he invariably will? I say this July.

    • Sean A

      Stanton for Christmas. If only George was still here

      • Need Pitching & Hitting

        Did George have the power to force trades?

        • Sean A

          He sure did. Kept it in his wallet.

          • Need Pitching & Hitting

            That worked the other way. Trade the young studs for expensive veterans, not get young cheap studs from other teams.

            • Robinson Tilapia

              They must mean some other George. What would George Clooney do as owner?

        • King of Fruitless Hypotheticals

          Yes.

      • Ghost of Joe Dugan

        I think you’re thinking of a different fat guy that brings gifts for Christmas.

    • G

      Absolutely like the idea. LoMo is still a young guy with a lot of potential. His defense is pretty crap, but stick him next to an elite defensive centerfielder (Gardner, assuming he and Granderson switch) and tuck him away in the tiny YS3 right field, and it’ll be less obvious. The guy hit 23 homers in Florida one season and has a nice swing for YS3. Stick him in there and he could hit 30. He hasn’t hit for a high average in a few years, but he takes a lot of walks and doesn’t strike out much.

      If the price is just a backend arm like Marshall or Warren and having to take on Nolasco’s contract, I’d do it in a heartbeat. He’s dirt cheap, so if he really sucks the loss is minimal. Make him a 4th outfielder and replace him when an option arises. That’s the worst case scenario. Best case, he hits his stride as he enters his prime and the Yankees pull of a huge trade heist.

      • G

        As for the second part, next offseason. Even if it’s not much, they’ll need Stanton around all year as their only attraction for 2013.

  • Robinson Tilapia

    In Chicago. Giordano’s and Pisano’s both a couple of blocks away. What do I choose? Quickly, please.

    • jjyank

      Never been to Chicago, as you know, but one of my favorite restaurants in my home town is called Pisano’s and my favorite pizza place in Vermont is called Pie-sano’s, so I would go with that one just because I like the name!

    • Rooting for U.S. Steel

      No chance of doing a taste test?

      I’ve had good experiences at Giordano’s. But in general I prefer NYC thin crust.

      Report back, regardless. And try to make it to a) the Berghoff for some homemade root beer and b) the Billy Goat Tavern just because it’s the Billy Goat Tavern. Read the articles by Mike Royko (they’re on the walls) and choke down a chizborga.

    • Cris Pengiucci

      Haven’t been to Pisano’s, but I enjoyed Giordano’s the couple of times I’ve been there.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        Went with the Yelpers, who recommended Pisano’s. solid, although I have to remember that deep dish doesn’t necessarily mean overly thick.

        Only doing one night in Chicago proper. We’re moving to a hotel in Oak Brook tomorrow for the family portion if our trip. Maybe I’ll get to try Lou Malnati’s before I leave.

        New Haven pizza forever.

  • JCK

    Nice job with your preseason Price pick for the Cy, Mike.

  • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula (formerly Manny’s BanWagon)

    Dickey won the Cy Young. That should drive his price up just a bit.

    Poor Mets, even when they win, they still lose.

    • Mike Myers

      will maddoff chip in?

    • RetroRob

      They should trade Dickey. They’re rebuilding. He’s value is as high as it’s going to be.

  • Yankeefan

    So im watching dominican winter league baseball and my favorite team is Las Aguilas Cibaenas and Manny Ramirez is making his debut and in his first at bat he hits a first pitch opposite field homerun.

    • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula

      Maybe he can be the righty part of a DH platoon with Ibanez

  • JobaWockeeZ

    The Pineda thread just shows why there can never be peace here. People are actively looking to argue.

    • JobaWockeeZ

      And by argue I don’t mean, side A, rebuttal, side B. More like your opinion sucks, I can’t wait for all the people who have a different opinion to come so I can murder them.

      Except it never came thankfully.

      • jjyank

        I actually thought the thread was tamer than I anticipated. Could have been much worse. With the exception of dalelama’s presence, of course.

        I have defended the trade all year. Would I go back in time and do a mulligan knowing what we know now? Oh hell yes. I loved Montero as a prospect. I have a baseball card of his from AAA with his signature on it, I was as ready as anyone for him to become the next Yankee homegrown star. But I agree with the idea of the trade, given the circumstances. The results have just sucked so far.

        • Pat D

          I sometimes forget the names of posters that I don’t particularly like. I never forget him.

          • jjyank

            I think he wants to get in A-Rod’s pants. Nothing else can explain his enormous obsession.

            • Pat D

              It’s like what Ric Flair always said: “You can’t be the first, but you can be next! Whooooo!!”

          • Dan Gold

            Love you too Pattie

            • Pat D

              I wouldn’t have a problem with you if you could just tell me your problem with me.

              • jjyank

                He’s got a crush on you. It’s pretty obvious. This is high school “I like this guy” 101.

                • Pat D

                  Well, I’m not ready for a relationship, Lois, but thank you for asking.

  • Pat D

    Well at least Tigers fans can’t blame the one guy who voted Rodney first for Verlander not winning the Cy Young.

    Also, I wonder if the fact that Torii Hunter’s son will be going to Notre Dame factored into his decision to sign with Detroit. Probably not much, if it all, but I wonder.

  • johnny

    Not a basketball fan and unfortunately my football team is chronically depressing, so I find myself following AHL and KHL hockey.

  • Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)

    So it’s the off season, when I get most of my TV Show watching in. I have to say The Wire is one of the best shows I’ve ever seen, and I’m upset I missed it while it was on.

    • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula

      I watched the first 2 seasons of The Walking Dead this weekend and I can’t wait till sunday for the next episode now.

      • Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)

        Great show, and I only expect it to get better. I still prefer the comic to the show, but the show is getting better and better every week it’s on.

        • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula

          I was just a little disappointed about what happened to Lori. I wanted to see her have a miscarriage and then have the zombified baby eat her from the inside out.

          • jjyank

            I liked it actually. I was tired of the tension between her and Rick by that point, and she made the honorable decision to sacrifice herself for the life of her child. For me, it allowed her to end that said tension while still giving her some dignity on the way out.

            • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula

              Yeah I’m glad she’s dead too. I just thought it would be more dramatic to have her all of a sudden clutch her belly screaming while everyone scrambled to try and get the zombie neonate out of her uterus.

              • jjyank

                Well that certainly would have been good TV haha. I’m sure they’ll do something else that’s nuts too. Like: WHO THE FUCK is calling that random ass phone in that room? Sunday needs to happen right now. I must know.

                • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula

                  I’m dying to know too. Has to be Carol, right?

                  • jjyank

                    That’s a solid guess. You never actually saw her die. Could also be whoever the douche was that cut the chain on the fence and baited all the walkers in.

                    • I am not the droids you’re looking for…(I believe that children are our future)

                      We know who that douche was don’t we? it was the skinny black prisoner who got away in a previous episode, and was killed in the most recent episode by the large black prisoner (who conveniently replaces the large black member of the group – cant have more than one large black man in the group obviously).

                • Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)

                  I know the answer to this question!!

                  • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula

                    I wanna know but I also don’t wanna know.

                    What to do??????

                    • jjyank

                      He read the comics, don’t let him spoil it.

                    • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula

                      I’m gonna wait till Sunday.

                    • jjyank

                      I haven’t read the comics, so I will also wait.

            • Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)

              Am I the only one who realizes how dumb Lori was to have the baby? I mean shit, a baby vs a full grown woman? Who makes life easier? Darryl and Maggie have already risked their lives for the baby, the baby’s gonna wake up crying in the middle of the night…it can only lead to problems.

              • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula

                It was pretty stupid. She knew she already had a C section with Carl and would very likely need another so who the hell did she think was gonna perform the surgery, the vet?

                • jjyank

                  That’s true. Though I suppose a makeshift abortion wouldn’t have been much safer. They probably should have just used a damn rubber.

                  Life lesson, folks: Don’t be a fool, wrap your tool.

              • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula

                Although it could set up an incredibly dramatic scene if the baby every gets eaten by a walker.

                • herby

                  I’d rather see the baby become a walker and eat it’s brother from the toes up to his stupid ass hat…

          • Bo Knows

            I think being gummed to death might take a couple of episodes

    • jjyank

      I really wish that was in Netflix Instant Queue. I’m jacking my parents’ account, so I can’t get the discs shipped to me. It’s a damn shame, I really want to watch it.

      • Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)

        Do your parents have HBO? If so they have HBOgo. Which means you could watch it there.

        • jjyank

          Ah fuck, I forgot about that. They do, but I have HBO too. Just need to figure out what the hell my username/password is. Same as my Comcast account I have HBO with? I’ll look into that.

          • Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)

            Yep. Should be anyway.

          • MannyGeee

            Yes to it being logged in through your Comcast account. And HELLZ YES to the Wire. Get to season 3, it will blow your dick clear off.

        • jjyank

          Oh also, this is somewhat interesting. There is a guy that was an actor in the Wire that now spend his days trying to sell a DVD about is “interesting” life on the corner outside of my bank. Every time I try to go out for lunch he tries to snag for me 10 bucks to buy his crap. Which is kinda awkward because he comes to me to get change haha. Just thinking of the show reminded me.

    • VT Yankee Fan

      I just started watching it over again. I’m as blown away the second time as I was the first.

    • Jersey Joe

      Speaking of TV, I just switched to Fios from Cablevision because there was no cable on our street as a result of the storm, and we were not supposed to get cable for 2-3 weeks.

      But one drawback.

      NO MLB NETWORK!

      You need a package to buy it in. Life is tough for us 14 year old baseball fans. Especially With a low paying summer job for just 1 week.

  • https://twitter.com/Paddock9652 Stratman9652

    So I had to laugh about Jeff Loria’s comments on the trade today. Told the press to “Figure it out yourselves”. I imagine him holding up his middle finger as he said it. But Mark Cuban would make a terrible owner right?

    • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula

      Guys like Loria make you appreciate George. He often went about things the wrong way but at least he was totally committed to winning and not just making a profit like Loria.

      • https://twitter.com/Paddock9652 Stratman9652

        Teams like the Marlins make me laugh at anyone who thinks the Yankees only win because they buy the top players. The Marlins took almost every top player off the board and couldn’t make it work. Makes you appreciate the scouting and coaching staff the Yankees have.

        • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula

          To blow it all up after half a season like they did was just ridiculous. They run the Marlins like a 10 year old running their fantasy baseball team.

          • jjyank

            Exactly. Reyes is still young and still under contract for several years. Bell was a mistake, and Buerle wasn’t a necessary piece, but getting rid of Reyes instead of adding pieces to him strikes me as odd.

            So what’s their message to the fans? We’ll try to win for 1 year out of every decade, and if that doesn’t work, fuck it? The Yankees are big spenders too, obviously, but at least they stick with a plan and make it work. Sure, it’s not always ideal. Tex isn’t who he was, AJ fell off, A-Rod isn’t as productive. But they got a World Series out of it and still compete for the division championship every year.

            • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula

              Loria certainly made me feel grateful to be a Yankee fan.

            • https://twitter.com/Paddock9652 Stratman9652

              Imagine if they Yankees hadn’t won in 09. They would have been in almost the exact same situation. New park, huge spending spree nothing to show for it. If they had pulled this shit there would have been riots in the streets.

              • MannyGeee

                But AJ, Tex and CC Wiuls still be in Pinstripes. That’s the point. Loria is the worst.

          • https://twitter.com/Paddock9652 Stratman9652

            They could have fixed it if they had any baseball sense or money left but they thought they could just spend like crazy and get a championship team. There was no real rhyme or reason to it beyond “sign EVERYONE”.

    • Pat D

      “We have to get better,” Loria said, according to CBSSports.com. “We can’t finish in last place. We finished in last place. That’s unacceptable. We have to take a new course.”

      I guess he doesn’t realize that his team will be in last place for at least 2 more years.

      • https://twitter.com/Paddock9652 Stratman9652

        I don’t buy a word of it. This trade is because they bit off more than they could chew payroll wise and couldn’t back it up revenue wise when nobody showed up because the team still sucked and their loudmouth manager went and alienated a huge chunk of the fan base.

        • jjyank

          Ozzie was a terrible choice. There were very few vets on that team. Reyes is still relatively young, and most of the rest of that roster was very inexperienced. A loudmouthed firecracker was probably not the best choice. They would have been better off going with a diplomatic, even-keeled guy, in my opinion.

          • https://twitter.com/Paddock9652 Stratman9652

            If you ask me the whole thing was just a publicity stunt to get people in the doors thinking the revenue would balance out the shit ton of money they spent. When they realized it didn’t work they couldn’t sit on the contracts and dumped them. Baseball wise they could have fixed the team, but I don’t believe that was the real goal.

            • jjyank

              Sounds about right to me.

            • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula

              They brought in an outspoken controversial somewhat flamboyant Latino manager to stir up interest in the team. Asshole Loria just didn’t anticipate Guillen would drive the car right off a cliff.

  • umbrelladoc

    For those who have second thoughts about Hal’s decision to get below the 189 million threshold for 2014, I ran some numbers to get an idea of the benefit. Surprisingly, the numbers are not a slam-dunk, but I wanted to see what you all thought.

    The tax for the Yankees as 4 time offenders would 50% of the payroll over the threshold of 189M.

    Let’s say that from the 2014,15,16 and 17 seasons, you budget 1 billion for salary plus tax. If you don’t do anything special in 2014, each year, you could have a payroll of 229.66M. Each year you pay 20.3M in luxury tax. Over 4 years you pay 918.64M in salary and 81.2M in luxury tax.

    But let’s say you get the salary to 189M in 2014. As a result the taxes in the next 3 years are 17.5%, 30% and 40%. This means in the 2015,16,17 seasons, you can pay 251.96M in salary. This leads to taxes of 11M, 18.8M, and 25.1M. Over 4 years you pay 945M in salary and 55M in taxes.

    Another way to look at it:
    Which 4 years of payroll would you rather have?

    2014 229.6M 189M
    2015 229.6M 252M
    2016 229.6M 252M
    2017 229.6M 252M

    By cutting salary by 40 million for one year, allows you to spend 22 million more for each of the next 3 years.

    It’s not my money, but it isn’t as clear as you would think, especially if it hurts them in 2013 as well.

    • Need Pitching & Hitting

      This is assuming the Yankees spend the 2014 savings in subsequent years though. They may just pocket a big chunk of that money.

      Also, I think the goal is for them to get under in both 2014 and 2015, so that they get more of their potential market disqualification revenue sharing rebates.

    • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula

      Plus there’s no guarantee they’re gonna blow out the payroll in 2015. My biggest objection to the $189 million cap is they very well could be closing the window on Jeter, Mo and Pettitte winning 1 more on their way out.

    • RetroRob

      The 50% tax they’d have to pay in 2014 if they don’t get below $189M is not the main driving force. It’s the money they’ll get back on revenue sharing, which potentially is worth far more that what they’re paying in luxury tax. The old CBA would penalize teams for going over the suggested cap. The new CBA finacially incents teams to stay below it.

      • Need Pitching & Hitting

        I’m not sure the revenue sharing rebates are going to be all that big. Only a few teams would be losing money, and the amount those teams lose is being phased in. I think I saw reported somewhere that the Yankees full potential rebate was estimated at about $10M for 2014, which probably isn’t enough to be incentive by itself, but may tip the scales when combined with the payroll and luxury tax savings.

        • Bo Knows

          its estimated the savings could be in the tens of millions for the Yankees

        • RetroRob

          I’m pretty sure the Yankees are not doing this just to save $10M. I have seen some attempts to calculate how much money it will mean for the team, but they range from the absurdly low to the absurdly high. I don’t trust any of them. Whatever it is, it’s enough to set them off on this path. Perhaps they’re just using the new CBA as a forcing function, basically the excuse to run a more financially sound team.

          • Need Pitching & Hitting

            I’m sure the combination of payroll savings, no luxury tax, reduction in future luxury tax, and revenue sharing rebates would probably be worth in excess of $80M just by reducing their payroll from typical levels to sub-189M for one year and then returning to typical levels. I just think most of that is coming from the direct payroll and luxury tax savings that they could have achieved close to in the last CBA. There’s definitely more incentive to get under the threshold in the new CBA, but I’m not sure it’s as big a difference as some have made it out to be.

  • Robinson Tilapia

    Not even bothering to read the Pineda thread. Everything that could be said on either side of that has been said already. I hope he comes back and wins 40 games in one season.

  • Ethan

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