Update: Yankees likely to re-sign Ichiro

Update: Yankees are "quietly" checking in on Josh Hamilton
Sunday Night Open Thread

5:00pm: According to Ken Rosenthal, the Yankees are “showing strong interest” in Ichiro and are likely to re-sign him to a one-year contract. They’re also looking into trades involving Curtis Granderson, which we heard last week.


10:00am
: Via Jon Heyman: The Yankees are still talking to Ichiro Suzuki about a return next season while also hesitating to show interest in A.J. Pierzynski. They view the long-time White Sox backstop as just an average defender, and apparently catcher defense has become a top priority in the organization over the last few years. Non-updates really, though I suppose at some point the Yankees will have to stop sitting on their hands and make some moves on the position player side.

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Sunday Night Open Thread
  • Harris

    Please just say no to Pierzynski unless its a 1 year deal. Romine is capable of doing everything Russell did offensively last year and probably more, plus he’s good defensively.

    • jjyank

      I would lean towards Romine as well right now, but he almost assuredly won’t be as good as Martin. He doesn’t have Martin’s power.

    • Bavarian Yankee

      “Romine is capable of doing everything Russell did offensively last year and probably more”

      not sure if serious. Catcher with an OBP above .300 that homer 20 times a year are very hard to find. It’s probably save to say that Romine will never even be close to Martin with the bat.

      • TCMiller30

        Maybe not from a power perspective, but there’s more to offense than that. Martin was pretty brutal minus the HRs. I don’t think Romine is going to set the world on fire offensively, but I don’t think he’s going to look lost either.

        • Mike HC

          Romine in his prime, if he stays healthy, could definitely approach Martin’s hitting numbers with the Yanks. Maybe with more avg and less power. But in his rookie season coming off a back injury last year, it seems likely he would probably suck offensively. You never know though and maybe he comes into Spring Training much improved. That is why you can’t make any definitive statements about these guys into you see them in the Spring.

        • Bavarian Yankee

          well, what can Romine do better than Martin? Probably nothing. His minor league numbers are barely (if at all) better than Martin’s major league numbers during the past 2-3 seasons in most categories. Romine is a back-up catcher imo, at this point I’m not even sure if he’s better than Cervelli.

          • http://www.nyc.gov/html/nycha/html/home/home.shtml The Big City of Dreams

            I always feel ppl overrate Romine

            • JobaWockeeZ

              He was the most overrated prospect covered IMHO. However given the financial inflexibility he’s probably our best option.

              • pistol pete

                Romaine can’t hit or stay healthy. No way the Yanks can take that kind of a chance with him as a starter with Arod down, Swisher gone, and Jeter aging and coming off a difficult injury. We can’t keep giving up offense and compete in the AL East.

      • Harris

        since when is OBP above .300 the standard. Last time I checked a .300 OBP is pretty crappy and below that is flat out awful. .311 is still pretty bad. Should be able to top that just by taking the Nick Johnson don’t swing approach.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      We have absolutely zero clue what Romine can do at this point. He could hit .280. He could go 0 for the first two months of the season.

      • Sweet Dick Willie

        Well, in almost 2,000 MiLB PAs, he hit 278/333/414.

        So that’s a clue.

        • RetroRob

          Perhaps not much, though.

          His best hitting was down in A-ball. He repeated AA, yet showed little growth as a hitter. His repeat season was a mirror image of the prior, generally not a good sign. Missed most of last year and has little experience above AA, although his 100+ PAs in AAA and MLB shows a .189 BA with no power or OBP. He hit .222 in the just-completed Arizona Fall League, a place known for its hitting.

          Now I’m not here to trash Romine. He has potential, something the other internal options don’t have. We know what Cervelli and Stewart are, where Romine is a bit more of an unknown. His power numbers haven’t emerged, and actually have decreased, although Trenton is not a good home park for righty power hitters. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if one day Romine is a solid (for a catcher) .265/.335/.425 hitter, which is excellent for most catchers. I just don’t see it happening in 2013.

  • Kevin Schappert

    Ichiro yes–Pierzynski no

    • Sam G

      I say no to both. Sign Scott Hairston to platoon with Dickerson. Or trade GRANDY and look for a corner OF since dickerson can play either. Then put romine to catch. He’s working on batting mainly thus offseason so you can prob get a solid .250-.275 average out of him with 8-15 HR and like 40-65 RBI and 10 stolen bases . But cervelli can hit pretty well too (.322 in winter league so far) and his catching is solid but needs some work. Also Stewart is great defensively and can work good with our staff plus he is a gap hitter something we need. But he’s 6’4 and has no power what so ever so he’s strictly a backup. But there is trade possibilities: CARLOS SANTANA

      WE TRADE:
      ROMINE
      WARREN
      CERVELLI

      WE GET:
      SANTANA

      ALSO WE POSIBBLY COULD ADD HUGHES AND GET MASTERSON ALONG WITH SANATANA.

      • Ted Nelson

        lol

        • TomH

          NYW

      • Bavarian Yankee

        the Indians are rofling.

        • Laz

          I think their gm just shat in his pants too.

      • jjyank

        I really hope that’s not a serious trade proposal.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        You couldn’t get a used Santana CD for those three.

        • Dr. Jake Rosenstein

          But we definitely should go get SANATANA!!!

        • Roy Munson

          HA!!!!!!!

        • Jack P

          LOL Post of the day for you Robinson Tilapia

      • paul a

        And I’m sure they’d throw in Carbrea as well.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          Sidehome, Havener, and Chu.

      • Sweet Dick Willie

        Not only does YTPS, but you are delusional.

      • JLC 776

        Is this Big Member’s less grammatically challenged sibling?

      • OldYanksFan

        This is an automatic banning offense, no?

  • kenthadley

    Is there a left handed hitting catcher available that can platoon with Frankie or Stewart? Someone who can pop a few into RF seats while giving us about 200 ABs…..in the old days, a Johnny Blanchard type, marginal defense but useful bat.

    • Bavarian Yankee

      I did some research a few days ago and the only LH C I thought are worth targeting are Jason Castro (Astros) and George Kottaras (A’s). I have no idea if those are actually available, Castro probably is.
      Basically there is no market for LH Cs, there are only a handful half-decent options out there.

    • pounder

      Funny,but sad story about Johnny Blanchard.When the yanks traded him to KC,he was sitting on the bench in tears over the trade.Mickey Mantle,trying to console him,said that now he would get more playing time,to which the tearful Blanchard replied,and i paraphrase,”Thats just it Mickey,I can’t play anymore”.

      P.S. Kent Hadley was a part of the great Roger Maris trade,and was at one time,not with the Yanks,a deadly lefthanded pull hitter.

      • kenthadley

        I remember both the Blanchard trade and the Hadley trade. The first in 65 was a sad time, as all the old hero’s were trending down….the second in December of 59 was an exciting time, and even thought Hadley would supplant Moose Skowron as the next first baseman…it ultimately went to Pepitone, but at the time Hadley looked like a Yastrzemski type of hitter.

    • Ted Nelson

      There’s that Pierzynski fellow.

      While he is apparently a repulsive guy and I’d like to see them explore their options first, a benefit of signing him is the platoon option: a high portion of his back-ups PAs can come against LHP.

      • jjyank

        I agree that the team should take a close look at all options, but I really think someone will throw a multi-year deal at him. And I want no part of a 36 year old catcher coming off a career year (his best since 2003!). If they can snag Pierzynski on a one year deal, I can live with his supposed douche baggery.

    • Jack P

      I am so sick of platooning its not even funny, seems like a lot of people have delusions on this board of platooning being the answer to every single position, we need to start looking for players who can hit against lefties and righties and stop watering down our positions with platoon players.

      • Laz

        Is really only RF that there is talk of platooning. If you don’t have a lot of money left to fill RF platooning is the way to go, because you can take advantages of the splits the players have. IDK what team you were watching last year, but I didn’t see all that much platooning last year, aside from DH, and 3B when arod was injured, because Chavez simply can’t hit lefties anymore, and LF when gardner went down. Players that can hit strongly both sides aren’t looking to be bench players.

      • Ted Nelson

        What platoons have the Yankees had in the past decade for you to be sick of it?

        You should probably get used to it, though. Many of the smartest teams are employing platoons: Rays, Red Sox, As… Because it makes sense to do and is cost effective.

  • Betty Lizard

    Praying to the god I don’t believe in th Yankees don’t sign Pierzynski.
    Will sacrifice a tofurkey if necessary.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      They need to make those in the shape of an actual turkey. It’d be pretty easy to create fake drumsticks.

      • Betty Lizard

        Oh they do. Had one in Portland a while back with tempeh drumsticks. Hee.
        If you surround the tofurkey with vegetables to roast while its cooking, accompany it with home made dressing and gravy and baste the shit out of it while its cooking, it tastes delicious. Proving, again, that tofu, like other things, is empty of inherent existence.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          Oh, I don’t mind tofu or seitan one bit. I struggle with tempeh for the most part, as it tends to taste like a giant sesame seed.

  • bpdelia

    Maybe romIne is ready. but he missed all last year and has been injured ALOT with a chronic back problem. he hasn’t hit in the minors consistently so I sincerely doubt he will beat hear Martin’s year. its WAY WAY more likely he hits 219/287/315 gets injured and sent down. non premier prospects don’t usually come up and play like league average catchers (which is exactly what Martin was not even considering his pitch framing) people are about to get a hard lesson on the difference between a little below average and a bit below replacement level. Replacing Martin with in house options is a recipe for disaster. and, again, Elkins is always hurt

    • Preston

      People who got upset with Martin won’t know the difference because of all the things Romine will be worse at he’s likely to have a higher BA.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Elkins? Probable spellcheck error.

      Don’t know about “disaster,” but you have to be ready to have several plans in order there. It’s also the position where you’re most likely to pull something off with internal options being that there’s two choices with MLB experience and a guy who still has some prospect luster.

    • bingo bango

      I agree. ROFLing at people saying Romine is a good alternative. He’s an alternative alright. The break in case of emergency alternative. He plays passable not good defense and has not even developed MLB doubles power.

      • Jack P

        Romine is not the answer, his performances in the last few years can attest to that. Also the man gets injured at the rate of A Rod

  • bpdelia

    Maybe romIne is ready. but he missed all last year and has been injured ALOT with a chronic back problem. he hasn’t hit in the minors consistently so I sincerely doubt he will beat hear Martin’s year. its WAY WAY more likely he hits 219/287/315 gets injured and sent down. non premier prospects don’t usually come up and play like league average catchers (which is exactly what Martin was not even considering his pitch framing) people are about to get a hard lesson on the difference between a little below average and a bit below replacement level. Replacing Martin with in house options is a recipe for disaster. and, again, Elkins is always hurt

  • Mike HC

    I still think the Yanks will sign or trade for a veteran catcher before the season starts. I doubt it is AJ though.

  • Preston

    I don’t want either of these guys.

    • Ted Nelson

      Who do you want instead? I’m not dying for either, but I don’t know if there are a ton of better options either. Especially with AJ.

      • Preston

        I honestly don’t know. I guess AJ on a one year deal makes sense. But Ichiro seems like grabbing a name to pretend you aren’t punting a position, when in fact you are punting a position. We might as well just have Dickerson in there, I don’t know if an upgrade over AJ will come up in the trade market during the season, but I’m certain an upgrade over Ichiro will. There are also better OFers available on the trade market now, mainly Choo, but I’d probably rather have Kubel too. It might be the hopeless romantic in me but I still think things could work out with Swisher. Is he really going to go to Seattle or Boston?

        • Ted Nelson

          I’m not very high on Ichiro, but I don’t think he’s the worst option. If another options comes along, put Ichiro at 4th/5th OF. I’d look at Ross if he’s closer to Gomes than Ludwick. Or Hairston. Neither would necessarily preclude Ichiro coming back as a 4th OF. Choo and Kubel are both interesting, but I have no idea what’s being asked. Chances are I’d rather just roll with Ross than give up any top prospect for one of those two (Choo signed one year, and Kubel’s defense might put him at about Ichiro value overall).

          • Preston

            Kubel hits RHP to a tune of .279/.348/.498 including .264/.348/.540 last year when he finally got out of a hitters park. He’s exactly the kind of hitter that gets a bump from YS too. The D-backs are going to probably only trade one, but at this point I feel like the Upton thing has been beaten to death every by MLB team and still nothings happened. If we got a Ross or Hairston for a Gomes deal, we’d have pretty elite offense from a corner OF spot for 2/25. I don’t now to much about his D, he hasn’t been to terrible in larger OF’s than ours. If he can throw at all RF in YS could hide a lot of his range deficiencies.

            • Ted Nelson

              Based on career UZR he’ll cost you about 16 runs in RF and 13 runs in LF on a season.

              I am just pointing out that fWAR liked Ichiro considerably more in 2012 than Kubel… because Kubel is a bad defender and baserunner. Ichiro also had twice the bWAR.

              He’s an option, but I’m not in favor of giving up too much to get him.

          • Laz

            It’s hard to be excited about Ichiro when in reality he had a strong September and that is it. His obp was below .320 in August. This is 2 years that Ichiro is pretty mediocre. It’s not a middle infield position, it is RF, one of the most offensive minded positions.

            • Ted Nelson

              His bWAR in Seattle was almost twice Kubel’s for the season.

  • Robinson Tilapia

    I’m fine with bringing back Ichiro as long as it doesn’t spell the complete end of trying to upgrade that position.

    As for AJ, while I’m not thrilled with the internal options, I’m not convinced that its anything but the name value which would make feel better. I agree with valuing defense at the position but, in the end, it’s a balance.

  • Jacob

    I could easily see Romine putting up a slash of .260/.320./.400, as easily as I could see .200/.290/.340, but I think he would bring some good defense either way

    • jjyank

      I don’t think Romine will slug .400, he hasn’t really shown that much power in the minors. But I do think he offers the most upside of the guys currently on the roster. I realize that isn’t saying much, however.

      • Jacob

        I thought I heard he had some doubles power, but I probably should have said I think the second one is more likely

        • jjyank

          His two full, healthy seasons (2010 and 2011), Romine slugged .402 and .378, respectively. So I suppose it’s possible that he slugs .400 in the majors, but yeah, definitely not likely.

          • jjyank

            I should add that both of those were in AA. I don’t see a .400 SLG being maintained in the jump to the MLB as a rookie.

            • Jacob

              Ahh yea probably not. I would still take the latter over what I would see stewart putting up, cervelli could probably hit better but if they are putting defense as high as they say than romine is the better option.

              • jjyank

                I do think Romine offers the most upside of the current in-house options. So if they’re gonna choose from a bunch of crap options, I’d at least prefer to see them give the one that actually has a real shot at being a semi-valuable piece going forward.

                • Jacob

                  I agree completely

          • Robinson Tilapia

            PULLIN OUT DA STATS!!!

  • LarryM., Fl.

    The Yankees are in a bind at 3b, RF, C. Depending on the fixes for 3B and RF there maybe a need for trading Granderson. If the Yanks get a fix for RF then Granderson can be traded to free up cash for fixes in the other areas such as 3B and catcher. I do not believe Arod comes back good as new or at his best for a 37 year old. Its just too much stuff occurring to his body with regular play. The Yanks should be looking for more of a replacement for Arod and he should be DH and backup 3rd baseman. Dickerson should get some playing time in the bigs. He can get the ball, runs well and may hit if given the opportunity. I make no suggestions as to whom to obtain but younger is better.

    As far as catcher I would like Cervelli and Romine. Cervelli can make contact and hit the gaps with power. Romine needs to be tested and developed on the major league level. Stewart for all his alleged defense is a non impact player to me.

    The Yankees have some internal options for the three positions just incorporate a FA at one of the spots with the internal options and we will be fine. The Yanks just have to use the farm system more than a trade producing machine.

  • Ted Nelson

    While I understand not wanting a jerk on the team, AJ is a pretty decent option if he’s taking a one year deal.

    For those who like the internal options… they’d still be there. One would be backing him up, getting a high proportion of his PAs against LHP (could be a good way to break Romine in if he wins the job… Probably better off starting in AAA and getting that job mid-season if he earns it). His LHP-ness is a nice bonus. Two will be in AAA. Any of the three can still beat him out if they kill it and/or he fails.

    One year later we’ll have more info on Romine, Murphy, Sanchez, and even Cervelli.

    • jjyank

      “While I understand not wanting a jerk on the team, AJ is a pretty decent option if he’s taking a one year deal.”

      I pretty much said the same thing in a response to another one of your comments above. I agree with this statement. I just don’t think he’d take a one year done when everything is said and done. At 36, I’d imagine he’s trying to find the last multi-year deal of his career. That’s just my own baseless speculation though. Time will tell.

      • Ted Nelson

        Yeah, I don’t know. Not a lot of teams are probably rushing to sign such an old C to multiple years, but he definitely might get more than one year. Could be a bit of a Youklis situation where he’s deciding between 2 years and a one year higher AAV. Could have to settle for one year, though. Not worth much, but there haven’t been many rumors about teams hot for him.

        Who are other potential suitors?

        • jjyank

          I’m not sure. You might be right though, could come down to lower AAV and multiple years, or 1 year with more money up front. I think the Yanks should at least offer him the latter and see what happens.

          • Robinson Tilapia

            I also think we probably overestimate the “jerk” factor on a team with several very strong veteran personalities. My hope is that being surrounded by them would keep him at his best behavior.

            I agree with Ted as to the flexibility he’d bring on a one-year deal. I’m also not losing sleep over whether the Yankees sign him.

            Other than Chavez, have I truly given a shit about any of these guys they supposedly should have run out and signed? Nope.

            • Ted Nelson

              For me it was Schierholtz a lot more than Chavez. He doesn’t have the injury issue, hits RHP, defends well, is cheap, and is cost controlled again in 2014. Seemed like the perfect fit delivered on a silver platter.

            • Jack P

              Don’t forget that AJ is pretty much only known as a jerk for players on the OPPOSING team because he plays the game balls to the wall.. I’m pretty sure most everyone on the White Sox and the fans love him.

              • Jack P

                Get this man now on a 1/2 year contract… ASAP

                • Jack P

                  I meant 1 or 2 year not 1/2 a year… Doh!!!

              • Ted Nelson

                I believe the reputation is for just being an all-around douche.

    • Ted Nelson

      *LH-ness, not LHP-ness

    • Betty Lizard

      I am practicing biting my tongue and cheering at the same time in case Pierzynksi joins the Yankees.

    • LarryM., Fl.

      I’m not opposed to AJ for a one year deal. He could do some damage in RF seats. But it all depends on the cost of Rf and 3 rd base. As of now it may cost us 12 million more on top of AROD’S 27 million to field 3B position. So internal may be the way to go at catcher. I believe the trade of Granderson’s 15 million is key to fixing this team in 2013.

      I like Granderson as a player and person but .230 and 40 Hrs. just leaves me upset many times during the season with his ABs.

      • Ted Nelson

        Even a .400 hitter is going to leave you upset more often than he leaves you happy… so I’m not sure that’s a rational way to judge a baseball player’s contribution.

  • archie

    What a garbage team 13 will be as other teams got better or younger and better . What is Shane Spencer not available for RF sal fasano for C ? Ridiculous

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Was this English?

      • Sweet Dick Willie

        You’ve heard of English as a second language?

        That is English as a fifth language.

        • Tom Swift

          Actually, I believe that is stream of consciousness by a native speaker who doesn’t know how to punctuate. A foreigner would make different kinds of mistakes.

  • JMK

    AJ is regarded as a dick and a bad teammate. But think about it this way – the guy is getting up there in age and potentially signing a one-year deal. You’d think he’d play nice given the situation (he needs to retain market value for next year, right?) and that’s even discounting that this is a team with “character vets” like Andy, Mo, Jeter, CC, Tex, Granderson.

    Given the utter lack of options out there and the fact that he can still hit, sign me up if it’s just a one-year deal for Pierzynski. Same with Youkilis, barring some trade Cashman has up his sleeve.

  • Jacob

    I am still on the idea of putting ibanez back behind the plate, what is 15 years of not playing the position going to do?

    • jjyank

      At the very least, sign him and stick him behind the dish for a Spring Training game. It’ll be entertaining, if nothing else.

      • Jacob

        I would pay to see that, over/under 5.5 passed balls?

        • jjyank

          The over, for sure.

      • Rooting for U.S. Steel

        That would be entertaining… especially if the Yankees somehow sign R.A. Dickey just for the game Ibanez catches.

  • http://www.twitter.com/mattpat11 Matt DiBari

    If catcher defense is that big a priority, I have to imagine Cervelli is a non contender for the starting job.

  • ton lon ton

    how far off is the ace catcher gary sanchez ?

    • Robinson Tilapia

      I’d say 2015.

      • Jacob

        MLB.com has him at 2014 for what it’s worth, I like that one for it’s optimism

        • Preston

          It really depends on where he begins the season. If they are cautious and send him back to High A, then there’s very little chance he’s ready to make an impact in 2014. If they put him at AA he might do well and be ready for a mid-season promotion to AAA and then get a real look in ST in 2014, more likely getting called up at mid-season. But there is also the chance that rushing him stunts his growth both as a hitter and C. He’s young and he has a lot of ability, but he still has problems with his D and a lot of swing and miss, moving him up to fast may set him up for failure. Our financial situation in 2014 shouldn’t have any bearing on the way we handle and promote our prospects.

  • Opus

    Yeah, I’m sure defense is the main reason why they don’t want AJ.

  • Schotty

    Granderson, Hughes or Nova, Warren maybe another prospect to ChiSox for Viciedo and Beckham

  • http://riveraveblues.com Rich

    If the team is so hot on a good defensive cathcer why not just sign Martin……oh wait!!!!!

  • Darren

    Boggs, O’Neill, Chili Davis, Rock Raines, Giambi, Ichiro, Strawberry, Gooden.

    All of these players had shitty reputations and then became very good or great Yankee players with zero reported clubhouse issues.

    Not wanting Piersynzski beause he plays hard and annoys the other team is one of the dumbest things I’ve heard of.

    Not wanting him because he has average defense is even dumber.

    • Elton Cod

      i dont want him becuz theirs a celery cap and geting under it is the most importants thing in the world

      romine + chris stewart will be fine

      weave all ready signed like 5 players this offseason thats plenty u can only have 25 on a roster anyway

      aj is a mean person, if the team falls apart offensively like they did last year he will be mean to every1 and make it worse :( that is bad u dont like it when coworkers are mean to u do u? :(

      • Darren

        Holy crap this was hilarious! :)

        From now on, I’m using “celery cap” to refer to the $189mm budget.

        • Betty Lizard

          Celery cap it is.

          • Betty Lizard

            Which is why we have to use Romaine.

            • Darren

              That is amazing.

    • Ted Nelson

      Not playing good defense is a dumb reason to dock a player’s value at the premium defensive position in baseball? Interesting perspective.

      Not one of those guys came with anything close to Pierzynski’s reputation, by the way. That’s not the main reason to be weary of the guy, but it’s a consideration. Especially if the guys he’s annoying are his battery mates.

      The main reason is that the guy is coming off a career year that is nothing like the seasons before it. Right now there’s a good chance that he and his representatives are looking to find a team willing to compensate him for the season he just had. Since he’s not at all likely to repeat it, the *dumb* thing to do would be to compensate him as if he will. To give him multiple years at big money. Guys who have posted more fWAR over the past 5 seasons include Iannetta and Suzuki. And fWAR doesn’t account for much of C value in areas where Pierzynski is weak. He’s just not that good. He’s not as bad as their current options and I think they might be wise to get him later in the off-season, but he’s not worth rushing out to overpay.

      In terms of negotiating… rushing to talk to someone is not the way to get a good value. If no one else is willing to meet Pierzynski’s demands, and I have yet to hear one rumor that someone is for what that’s worth, you don’t want to be the team to rush up to him telling him your starting C right now is Chris Stewart. You want to float rumors about how you aren’t that interested and he’s not all that valuable. You want to wait him out and get him to sign a one year deal on your terms.

      • Darren

        Wait him out like they waited out MArtin and Chavez?

        • Ted Nelson

          They didn’t wait out Martin. They decided not to match the offer. Just like if AJ gets a huge offer tomorrow, they probably won’t match it.

          Try to get a better understanding of the situation before you form an opinion.

          Yes, not getting AJ is most likely to be a better outcome than signing AJ to a two or three year deal that is for way more money than he’s worth. There is a real opportunity cost to that, especially with the $189 limit looming.

          For the 5 seasons leading to 2012, Miguel Olivo and Kelly Shoppach were both about as valuable as AJ by fWAR (which again probably overstates his value). Shoppach in less than half the PAs. Why aren’t you up in arms that they aren’t offering two years and, say, $15 million to Olivo or Shoppach? Barajas, Olivo, and Suzuki were far more valuable by fWAR in 2010-11. Why not whine that they haven’t traded a top prospect for Kurt Suzuki?

          At best he’s marginally better than other options out there (and that’s debatable), and probably a lot worse than some trade options out there. Have some patience.

          • Ted Nelson

            And this is all coming from someone who thinks AJ is a pretty good option and ultimately might be their best move. But only at the right price.

      • Ted Nelson

        Cut out the 2012 outlier/influential observation (37% of his value over the past 5 seasons came in 2012), and go back 5 years from 2011. No one within 500 PAs (about a season for a C) has fewer fWAR. In fact, no one within 500 PAs has fewer than 5 more fWAR over that span. He may turn out to be their best option, but he’s not a particularly desirable C to have. What you can say for him is that he’s been durable and not terrible… that’s about it.

  • RetroRob

    So the team that had Jorge Posada, who at his best was average defensively, and less so in his later years, now wants a defensive-oriented catcher? Okay. 2013 is not 1998 and perhaps what they value in a catcher has changed. Yet that same team just let Russell Martin, solid receiver with the excellent pitch-framing skills, walk away for a few million bucks.

    Yeah, I’m not buying it.

    • Ted Nelson

      It’s about overall value, offense and defense. Posada was a very good hitter. It’s pretty easy to argue that what he gave away defensively he made up offensively. Pierzynski is both a bad defender and a bad hitter. Don’t let 2012 fool you. He’s not Chris Stewart, but he’s also not even in the same universe as Jorge.

      http://www.fangraphs.com/leade.....;players=0

      http://www.fangraphs.com/leade.....;players=0

      I actually think he’s a decent option on a reasonable one-year deal, especially since he hits LH. I could also make an argument for signing Olivo or Shoppach or a few other guys if the difference is more than maybe a million dollars, though.

      • RetroRob

        Jorge’s overall contributions as a catcher made him quite valuable and was a significant plus for the Yankees during his tenure. We’d all be quite happy if another Posada was on the way. What I was questioning was the words being reported in the media as to why the Yankees were not that interested in Pierzynski. If he was an “average defender,” and even if we ignored his 27HR UFO season last year and he was just what he was the year prior, then he would be valuable as a catcher. An average defender behind the plate who is durable, experienced and could hit .280/.325/.420 is totally valuable. I think the Yankees think he is well below average defensively.

        I’d be fine too on a one-year deal, especially looking at the options. That would give Romine some time in AAA with maybe a call up later in the season. Pierzynski is probably looking for a multi-year deal. The Yanks would probably take him on one year, so that’s probably what’s going on here. The Yankees are playing a waiting game looking for the market on several players (perhaps Pierzynski being one of them) to come back to them.

        • YanksFanInBeantown

          But Pierzynski isn’t a .280/.325/.420 guy. He’s a .280/.320/.400 guy. A half step above Frankie-esque.

          • RetroRob

            There’s little gap between those two sets of numbers, chiefly 25 pts. in SLG. AJ’s a career .284/.324/.429 hitter coming off a .278/.326/.501 year. I’m not expecting what he did last year, but I’ll give him the benefit that he can match his career line, especially at Yankee Stadium.

            That’s a mighty big half step for Frankie, who has never caught 100 games on any level and hit .246/.341/.316 in AAA last year. Cervelli’s limited MLB numbers to date probably represent his best-case production, as it appears he’s outperformed his skill level at the plate. If he actually was asked to catch 110 games, he’d be pressed to hit .240/.320/.340. He’s a backup and lesser overall hitter (he can work the count better), which overall means he’s a couple setps below Pierzynski.

        • Ted Nelson

          Yeah, agreed. I sort of took average to be a nicer way of saying he’s not Mike Napoli unplayable bad.

          • RetroRob

            True, and if the Yankees have any plans to sign Pierzynski, they probably don’t want to say he’s a below-average defender if he’s going to be their catcher, even if that’s what they believe.

            • Ted Nelson

              Good point

  • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula

    I’m not sure if A hole Piezynski is really an upgrade over what the Yankees already have. As mentioned above, other than the massive outlier 2012 season, he’s been less than a 1 bWAR player on average for several years.

    Chris Stewart could probably give you that

  • YankyPanky

    What’s all the fuss with Martin? Overrated. Yea ready had 2 starters prefer someone else catching their game. Overrated behind the plate. Overrated with the stick! 21 HRs while batting 211 is a success If your name is Steve Balboni! Every Yankee hit 20 HRs last year.

    • YanksFanInBeantown

      He was a league average offensive catcher and above average defensive catcher, ergo he was an above average catcher.

      We just went from having an above average catcher to having a below average catcher. That’s a bad thing.

  • Dave

    My prediction for next year, lowest attendance in last twenty years.

    • Get Phelps Up

      You think they’re going to drop by ~25,000?

      • Dr. Jake Rosenstein

        Yes, in Base 25.

    • RetroRob

      In round numbers, they’d have to drop from about 3.6M to 1.6M.

      Don’t give up the day job.

  • pistol pete

    I don’t know why the Yanks don’t offer Pierzynski a heavy one year deal. His defense is only average and he’s a jerk but the Yanks are going to get real sick of the trio of Cervelli, Romaine, and Stewart who all stink. Why is Youkalis worth $12m for a year and AJ not. He hit 27 HR’s last year and would be a good fit in Yankee Stadium. He also could get cut loose after the season and not bother the budget for 2014. Signing Youkalis Ichiro and AJ for a year each allows the 2014 plan to stay in tact. The order could be Gardy Jeter Cano Tex Grandy Youkalis Aj DH and Ichiro. Ichiro and Gardy are interchangable at one and nine but a righty DH would be really helpful. Or we could trade the farm and anyone else for Stanton and solve our right hand troubles.

    • Ted Nelson

      AJ is not a good baseball player. He’s not totally awful, but he’s not good either. He’s got some value and might be the right fit for the Yankees, but not $12 mill AAV. That’s Miguel Montero money.

  • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula (formerly Manny’s BanWagon)

    Ichiro would be a nice addition to the outfield especially if they can sign an adequate right handed OFer to platoon with him.

    I’m more concerned about 3rd base at this point. What can you realistically expect to get out of Arod at 3rd, 40 games generously speaking, probably less?

    Youkalis has had his offer for 2-3 days now and obviously, he’s not overly enthusiastic about signing.

    • YanksFanInBeantown

      He’s weighing a 2 year offer from Cleveland for slightly more cash. So he has to way security and playing for Tito against how much he expects to earn in 2014 as a FA and being on a competitive team.

      • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula (formerly Manny’s BanWagon)

        2/$18 to play on a likely last place team vs 1/$12 to play for a perennial playoff contender doesn’t seem like such a tough decision though I guess his great relationship with Tito could be worth quite a bit to him.

        • Ted Nelson

          Most likely he’s negotiating with both to get more whether it’s 1 or 2 years, NY and Cle that he prefers.

          If he repeats his 2012, though, it’s pretty questionable whether he’ll get ~$6 million next off-season (with TVM making it worth a bit more than that). So it’s something to think about even if he can’t negotiate up.

        • YanksFanInBeantown

          Like Ted said, he also has to consider whether he’ll get 6 million or more next year.

    • Ted Nelson

      He’s out 3-6 months and has played 80-90 games at 3B the past two seasons. Expecting him to take the long-end of the recovery window is about as realistic as expecting the short-end and 80 games.

      Youkilis has also had a two-year contract to weigh against the one year contract, but let’s ignore that and construct our own narrative.

      You love to create your own narrative and then present it as reality, huh?

      • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula (formerly Manny’s BanWagon)

        Reports I’ve read has Arod out until the All star break. That’s a little past the halfway point of the season.

        http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/ne.....-rodriguez

        Assuming no setbacks which is a generous assumption at age 38. Once he returns, I highly doubt he’s gonna be plugged in at 3rd base every day. I believe I recently read Cashman or Girardi mentioned he’s probably DH a lot after his return.

        I’d be shocked if he was able to play more than 40 games this year at 3rd base. This is a more complicated surgery that the first one since they have to repair a bone impingement in addition to the labrum.

        • Ted Nelson

          From the article you referenced: “could be sidelined until the Major League Baseball All-Star break.” *Could be sidelined until* That would be the long-end of the recovery window.

          • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula (formerly Manny’s BanWagon)

            That’s not even including the rehab assignment he’ll undoubtedly be sent on that will drag things out a couple of more weeks.

            • Ted Nelson

              What don’t you understand about “could be sidelined until?”

              How do you know what calculations yahoo used there?

              • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula (formerly Manny’s BanWagon)

                I’m done with you tonight. You’ve wasted too much of my time already.

                • Ted Nelson

                  So in other words, you know you’re wrong but can’t admit it?

          • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula (formerly Manny’s BanWagon)

            Maybe you would prefer to argue this asinine point of your’s with Joe Girardi.

            http://espn.go.com/blog/new-yo.....y-play-162

            My original point which you ignored with your incessant arguing is that they still need to get someone capable of playing a hell of a lot of 3rd base.

            • Ted Nelson

              Are you kidding?

              It’s asinine to understand that when someone is out 3-6 months they *could be sidelined* for 6 months or they could be sidelined for 3 months or they could be sidelined 4 or 5 months or they could never recover?

              Again, you don’t seem to be able to read. You have again cited an article that doesn’t say what you think it does. “Giradi said that when Alex Rodriguez comes back he may have to do a lot of DHing.” *MAY* *MAY* *MAY* Do you know what that word means?
              *”Our hope is it’s going to be four to six months. You can’t predict what’s going to happen, and you can’t predict how he’s going to come back.”*
              He literally says it could be four months and they don’t know how he’s going to come back.

              Is English your first language?

      • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula (formerly Manny’s BanWagon)

        “He’s out 3-6 months and has played 80-90 games at 3B the past two seasons.”

        Is this your argument that you expect him to log extensive playing time at 3rd base this year or you just trolling me again?

        • Ted Nelson

          My argument is very clear: expecting the worst outcome is not reasonable.

          That you don’t understand that is incredible. Again, how old are you?

  • dan gen

    I seem to recall everyone saying catcher was a strong position for the yanks…oh, not was before we traded Montero for damaged goods covered by alcohol.

    • Brian S.

      Is there something wrong with alcohol?

      • dan gen

        W

  • pistol pete

    Montero could have never caught for Girardi, he would have driven Joe crazy so we traded him and got a bum deal, it happens. Joe would love Romine as a backstop but he hits worse than Girardi did. They really cheaped out on Martin and now are in a box. With the offense suffering from the loss of Arod, Swisher and Martin no way can Romine catch. Sigh AJ, overpay for a year , be competitive in 2013 and still under the busget in 2014.

  • Zack D

    Impossible – Cashman is sitting on his hands and losing all the free agents

  • Chuck

    How about trading granderson and then offering Hamilton a stupid amount of money for a one year deal? Sign ichiro too. You get to test Hamilton out. Maybe dumb but I’m bored with the offseason.