Dec
20

Rangers to sign A.J. Pierzynski

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According to multiple reports, the Rangers will sign free agent catcher A.J. Pierzynski to a one-year contract. No word on the money, but I’ll guess … $8M. How’s that sound?

Anyway, Jon Heyman says the Yankees did not make Pierzynski an offer, which isn’t terribly surprising. They reportedly did not like him much despite the fact that he was the only starting caliber backstop left on the open market after Russell Martin fled for Pittsburgh. Barring an unexpected trade, it’ll be some combination of Chris Stewart, Austin Romine, and Frankie Cervelli behind the plate next season.

Categories : Asides, Hot Stove League
  • Get Phelps Up

    Bubba Crosby is the starting centerfielder.

  • http://www.twitter.com/matt__harris Matt :: Sec110

    Dumb.

  • Blake

    It may not be surprising that they didn’t make him an offer but for one year it doesn’t make much sense….especially when they have no legit catcher and they just sunk 12 million into Kevin Youkallis.

    Unless they have a trade in the works it’s pretty curious that they wouldn’t have interest in a legit starting catcher with LH power on a one year deal….

    • Need Pitching & Hitting

      They seem do be placing a heavy emphasis on C defense, making AJ a questionable fit.

      Of course if Cervelli ends up as the starter, I don’t know wtf they are thinking.

    • Havok9120

      We still don’t know what the contract looks like money-wise, nor do we even have confirmation its a 1 year deal. What’s more, they may just not agree with your assessment (or the Rangers’ assessment) of his value.

    • Magilla Gorilla Mama Called me Roy tho

      trades are not generally in the works for an extended time. Trades are negotiated knowing that until there is an agreement both sides are working in the alternative.

  • Adam

    lolol Stewart and Cervelli has to be the worst catching tandem in history.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      You haven’t been through much history.

      Who’s lolol?

    • DC

      Was 2012 your first season following baseball?

  • Rich in NJ

    Either they really hate AJP, or they have a trade lined up, or …

  • Grit for Brains

    Not much offense behind the dish…At least the outfielders are each good for ~20 hr’s a pop

    • Rick

      Whose outfielders?

      • G

        Well I mean if Grandy hits 43 homers, Ichiro hits 12, and Gardner hits 5 that’s an average of 20…

        But seriously in what world can you look at our team and say the outfield has power beyond Grandy?

  • Mattchu12

    Call it “because-there-are-no-other-options logic”, but I kind of feel like we soured on Cervelli way faster than he might have deserved, at least offensively. He’s still not starter-worthy, but in a split-time role with Romine, I’m not feeling the bridge-jumping over the catching situation.

    • Rich in NJ

      Why is any dissent bridge-jumping? It’s only a recognition that it seems odd a pitching-centric team that appears to be constructed to win in 2013 (before possibly taking a step back in 2014), would take a risk at a such an important position.

      • Havok9120

        Yeah, I’m with you on that the dissent =/= bridge-jumping thing.

        That said, we are getting people treating a platoon back there as the actual end of the world. Proof that the team can’t be competitive. Which is pretty silly when one looks around the rest of the league and sees their catchers.

        • Rich in NJ

          It’s not the end of the world at all. It’s just not maximizing their chances of winning.

          • Havok9120

            But now we’re back into a subjective exercise of offense vs. defense. And if one doesn’t think that AJP’s offense, which is likely to fall off from last season, makes up for his defense then it makes very little sense to sign him. ESPECIALLY on a team where pitching is the focus.

            • Rich in NJ

              The guy is solid v. RHP: 291 .334 .442 .776 (career)

              The majority of pitchers are RH and YS would likely have benefited him at leas some.

              • Havok9120

                And all that’s nice, but still doesn’t address their reported problems with his defense, the fact that he’s unlikely to repeat a career year, or the fact that he’s entering the age range where catchers just fall apart.

                I understand the pros of getting him. I probably would have signed the guy if he was willing and if there isn’t some kind of extenuating circumstance we aren’t privy to. But I also understand that there were quite a few good reasons to pass on the guy, especially if one is giving catcher defense as much weight as the Yankees during Girardi’s tenure.

                • Rich in NJ

                  Then why not Martin over Ichiro?

                  • Havok9120

                    Because they felt that the performance drop in RF that would result from us going from Swisher to, say, Dickerson or Mesa was more important to stem than the performance drop from Martin to one of the three internal options. Just as they felt that the ARod to Adams drop off was more in need of a fix than the catching drop off.

                    Again, we can argue that their priorities are wrong (I know I would), but their moves and non-moves make sense in the context of their apparent priorities and their budget.

                    • Rich in NJ

                      We disagree on budget allocation-induced priorities, which is ok.

                    • Havok9120

                      Yeah. I would have rather seen the available money go into Martin rather than Ichiro. Even better, I would have preferred Swisher, though that depends on what kind of deal he ends up with.

            • hogsmog

              The thing is, it’s not like Cervelli or Stewart are good defenders, either.

      • Need Pitching & Hitting

        That the team is (or might be) pitching-centric makes the decision more understandable. They seem to be prioritizing defense over offense. AJ isn’t a good defensive catcher. The risk is on offense, not defense.

        • Rich in NJ

          But they didn’t go hard after Martin either, even though they gave Ichiro only a few million more on an AAV basis.

          AJ is a credible ML catcher. It’s less than certain that any of the current catching candidates are.

          • Need Pitching & Hitting

            I think they should have signed him since it was only a one year deal, but if they are putting that much of an emphasis on defense, I think Stewart is clearly better, and Romine is probably better.
            And before this season, AJ has been consistently below average offensively, so it’s not like he’s guaranteed to offset poor defense with his bat. AJ’s bWAR has been 0.7 or less in 3 of the past 5 seasons. If he reverts to that level of performance, it would be hard for the Yankees internal options to be much worse, if worse at all.

            • Rich in NJ

              Chris Stewart, despite entering his age 31 season, has never had more than 183 ML PA in a season. Romine has had back issues two consecutive seasons. If not AJP, fine, but their current options can’t really be counted on.

              • Need Pitching & Hitting

                It’s definitely risky.

                Considering how things have played out, it would have been nice to have David Ross in the mix at 2/$6.2M.

                • Rich in NJ

                  I actually wanted Ross.

                  • Need Pitching & Hitting

                    I was surprised he signed so quickly. Seems like he could have enticed several teams into bidding had he waited, given the weakness of the C market.

  • jesse

    In Austin Romine We Trust.

    • Betty Lizard

      Lettuce pray.

      • Reuben Sierra’s Chains

        This is awesome. Nice job.

  • Blake

    @JonHeymanCBS: A.J. Pierzynski’s 1-yr deal #rangers deal is worth about $7M

    12 million for Youkallis and they won’t spend 7 on a starting catcher….at least a guy to platoon with Romine …., makes no sense

    • Havok9120

      Hmmm. If that does turn out to be the contract, they must really, really not like him.

      Well, that and Budget Reasons.

    • Ted Nelson

      Pierzynski is not worth $7 million. You’ll is very well might be worth $12 million.

      • Rick

        I disagree. $7M is still tradeable midseason if Romine was truly ready at that point.

        • Ted Nelson

          We’ll see

      • Reuben Sierra’s Chains

        Couldn’t disagree more.

  • Nathan

    I wonder what the brothers grimm are going to do with the $50M(?) that they’re going to save on luxury tax…reinvest in the team? Will they go back to free spending or say something like spending less and developing talent.

    I’m thinking we’re in the middle of the end of the Yankees as we know it…Frankie/Romine as the starting catcher = no bueno.

    • Blake

      Probably a private island or two….

    • Havok9120

      Even if they never go above 189 again under any circumstances, that really won’t be the end of the team. They’ll probably still be in the top 5 payrolls for quite some time. Its only any kind of problem because of existing contracts, not because the strategy itself is inherently flawed.

      • Blake

        The existing contracts kinda make the strategy flawed…

        • Havok9120

          No, they make it more difficult to implement over a limited period of time. They do not make it impossible for the team to be competitive (they’re on track to be competitive even with 30 million in salary on the shelf for a third of the season), and they certainly don’t impact the sense of the strategy itself in the long-term.

          • Ted Nelson

            No. They are screwed!!!

          • Blake

            Exactly….it’s difficult to do what they are trying to do in the amount of time they have to do it in….

            They have about 100 million on the books for luxury tax purpose for 2014 already….sign cano that’s 125….for 5 players…..one of which may not be able to play (Arod), another who will be 40 (Jeter) and another in apparent decline (Tex).

            • Havok9120

              They are starting from the premise that reigning in the team’s finances is worth making some on the field sacrifices and going from there. Their priorities are simply different than that of most fans.

          • hogsmog

            But I think that the existing contracts make the strategy of getting under 189 in 2014 flawed. Why not wait until Jeter, Mo, Teixiera (maybe even Arod) are off the books, not make any blockbuster deals in that time, and THEN try to get under? Correct me if I’m wrong, but 2014 is totally arbitrary (yeah that’s the year the cutoff goes up, but it’s not like there will be more penalties for being over than there ever were), and I don’t see why they have to sacrifice (or at least impact) a few years of competition when they wouldn’t really have to at all a few years down the road.

            I think the Yankees, and the rest of baseball, are still learning the hard way that the steroid era is largely over, and players just aren’t going to be productive until they’re 40 as much as that was once true. Meaning that those 10-year, zillion-dollar contracts given to 30 year old MVPs aren’t a good way of doing business, and neither are the 5-year ones to 35 y/o twilight superstars. I think its possible that the Yankees aren’t going to make these same mistakes in the future.

    • Ted Nelson

      Not spending money and saving money aren’t the same thing. What are you going to do with the $10 million you saved from not buying that villa in the south of France?

    • MannyGeee

      Spoiled Yankee fan. It’s not even your money, why are you so goddam indignant about it?

      • Juke Early

        So – all the teams you support let you in free, comp you food & beverages & give you team swag? who are they? I wanna sign up. But you’re right in the sense, once you pay up, ain’t your money anymore.

  • FIPster Doofus

    This is bullshit.

    • Ted Nelson

      Not signing AJ Pierzynski? I thought he was an interesting possibility, but he’s not all that good.

      • The Big City of Dreams

        He’s better than what they have now

        • Ted Nelson

          Not necessarily much better

          • David

            Please. Than Cervelli and Stewart? He’s a thousand times better.

  • Ted Nelson

    Pierzynski has broken 1.5 fWAR two of the last six years.

    • FIPster Doofus

      Rick Porcello had the same fWAR as Jered Weaver last season. fWAR lacks credibility.

      • Ted Nelson

        LOL. What leads you to believe Pierzynski is good?

        • FIPster Doofus

          I don’t know if “good” is the word. He’s pretty average. But I know average is a lot better than what the Yankees have right now.

          • Ted Nelson

            What do you base average on? You’re pulling shit out of your ass and criticizing fWAR with one example of Ps. Pierzynski’s not a good pitch framer either. His offense the four years before 2012 is about in line with Cervelli’s.

            He’s fucking awesome!!! Though, because you said so!

            • FIPster Doofus

              Heh. I love how you’re so hostile all the time.

              • Ted Nelson

                I love how fWAR lacks credibility, yet you have neither quantitative nor qualitative evidence to back up your emotional rant

                • FIPster Doofus

                  Hahaha. My above post was neither emotional nor a rant. It was a calmly delivered disagreement.

                  But looking further at the numbers, I guess he’s slightly below average. His career wRC+ is 94 and his caught stealing percentage is a bit below middle of the pack. So, congrats – he’s not average. You “won.” I’d still feel more comfortable with him than what New York has. And a one-year deal = low risk.

                  • Ted Nelson

                    Nice try. He hadn’t hit a 94 wRC+ since 2003. Why don’t we whine that the Yankees haven’t signed Marcus Giles and Edgar Renteria for an All-Worl middle IF?

                    “This is bullshit” was such a cool, level headed response!

                    • FIPster Doofus

                      He had a 118 wRC+ last season. Perhaps he could’ve kept some of that up coming to Yankee Stadium as a lefty with the short porch. It wouldn’t have been worth it to find out on a one-year deal?

                    • iYankees

                      You’re kind of being an obnoxious dick. #justsaying #thisisablog

                    • Ted Nelson

                      No, I don’t think it is. That $7.5 million can be used on a player who is actually good, rather than one you hope might be good for the third time in 7 years or whatever. Not even considering that his framing doesn’t grade out that wel from what I rememberl.

                    • Need Pitching & Hitting

                      You misremembered. His framing graded out as above average in the 2007-11 Mike Fast study.

                    • Ted Nelson

                      Barely above average.

                    • Need Pitching & Hitting

                      Which is different than “doesn’t grade out that well”.

                    • Ted Nelson

                      It doesn’t grade out that well. It’s average.

                    • Need Pitching & Hitting

                      It’s slightly above average. Not grading out that well would imply below average. But you already know that.

                    • Ted Nelson

                      Because “well” is a definitive measure, not a subjective term! Because that fits your argument!

                    • Need Pitching & Hitting

                      My bad. Maybe I misunderstood your implication.

                      Perhaps I was confused by this:

                      Pierzynski’s not a good pitch framer

                      or this:

                      It’s not the greatest for Cs because of pitch framing and handling a staff… Two things Pierzynski is known for being bad at

                      But I apologize if I misconstrued your point.

                    • Ted Nelson

                      He is not a good P framer.

                    • Need Pitching & Hitting

                      He’s not a bad one. Or are you going to pretend you didn’t say that he’s known to be a bad pitch framer.

                    • Ted Nelson

                      I have said I misremembered, why are you still on that?

                      That doesn’t mean he’s good. He’s average or a bit above. The difference between that and where I started out is inconsequential. Why do you spend hours on nothing?

                    • Need Pitching & Hitting
                • Now Batting

                  AJ Pierzynski was 2.6 war last year. Say all you want about a career year at 35, but Martin hasn’t eclipsed that number since 2008. Yay I can pull out a metric that is flawed and/or not all-encompassing too.

                  • Ted Nelson

                    It’s about basic introductory statistics.

                    • daveM

                      wow ted nelson..you are such a douche

                    • Ted Nelson

                      But you make such classy, thought provoking comments daveM! Thanks

            • http://www.nesn.com/2011/01/2011-red-sox-will-challenge-1927-yankees-for-title-of-greatest-team-in-major-league-history.html wilk

              HE’S NOT A GOOD PITCH FRAMER?1?!?!? THAT’S THE BEST YOU HAVE?!!

              • Ted Nelson

                Yes, your reding comprehension is so strong. His hitting and general defense stink, but my argument is all pitch framing (which is an important part of being a C).

                • Juke Early

                  None of these lame ass stats matter when a guy hits a broken bat single to beat a Hall of Famer & wins his team a WS. Owners want guys who fit their image of what they want a player to be + cheap = sign him.

        • Blake

          You don’t think he would have been a good platoon partner for Romine for 7.5 million for one year? Better than Stewart or Cervellli? Come on….nobody said he is Buster Posey…..

          • FIPster Doofus

            I agree. He’s an OK option. Judging by the argument above, you’d think I called Pierzynski an in-his-prime Piazza or something.

          • Ted Nelson

            Do you think Miguel Olivo is worth, say, $5 mill this season?

            • Blake

              Did Miguel Olivo hit 27 homers last year and hit left handed ?

              • Ted Nelson

                Did Olivo just about match Pierzynski’s fWAR the four seasons before this last season? Yes.

                You don’t project forward based on one data point.

                • Need Pitching & Hitting

                  More recent history would probably be more relevant, especially for old players. Olivo has been beyond awful for the past 2 years. They really aren’t in the same category now. At all.

                  • Ted Nelson

                    Which is why I knocked off .33 of the value of the contract.

                    • Need Pitching & Hitting

                      Not nearly enough. AJ is still a legit option as a starting C (albeit flawed). Olivo is not.

                    • Ted Nelson

                      He’s a legit option because of one season.

                    • Need Pitching & Hitting

                      Nope. He’d be a very good option based on one season. He’s been mostly a slightly below average overall C in the several years prior. Olivo has been god awful, barely above replacement level, barely worth a minor league contract bad for 2 years now.

                    • Ted Nelson

                      You got me, Pierzynski is worth $7.5 million because Olivo is worse than him!

                    • Need Pitching & Hitting

                      Yeah, that’s what I said, Mr. Strawman.

                      You brought up Olivo to compare relative value, not me.

                    • Ted Nelson

                      It was one example of a guy with comaparable value over the past few years before 2012. Pick another if you like.

                • Blake

                  Olivo had a .3 fWar in 2011…and also WAR isn’t really the greatest for catchers….you can’t just throw 2012 out…. Especially when the guy is 1) better than what they have 2) a good fit for Yankee Stadium

                  • FIPster Doofus

                    Indeed.

                  • Ted Nelson

                    It’s not the greatest for Cs because of pitch framing and handling a staff… Two things Pierzynski is known for being bad at. Try a coherent argument.

                    Pierzynski put up a season about in line with what you might expect from Cervelli’s over a season in 2011.

                    I know Olivo is bad, but what I am saying is that Pierzynski isn’t worlds apart from him. He’s passable, but hardly worth getting upset about for $7.5 million.

                    • Need Pitching & Hitting

                      I agree not signing AJ isn’t worth getting upset about. But where are you getting that AJ is known for being bad at pitch framing?

                      Also, how do you know what to expect from Cervelli over a full season. It’s entirely possible he gets exposed at the MLB level with regular playing time. He just put up a full season like pre-2012 AJ last year….in AAA.

                    • Ted Nelson

                      Average at P framing, maybe. I don’t remember the rankings, but I definitely don’t remember him at the top. (Pretty sure that he is known for not getting along with his own Ps, though.) point is there’s no evidence WAR is underestimating him, compared to a guy like Martin where there is tangible evidence.

                      I don’t know what Cervelli will do, but what I expect is about what he did the three seasons he’s played a decent amount of time.

                    • Tom

                      Like everything else he is pulling it out of his ass. If he is referencing Mike Fast’s work on pitch framing he was POSITIVE from 2007-2011 (I don’t know what the 2012 # was). He wasn’t at the top of the list but better than average is not “bad”

                      http://www.baseballprospectus......5093#95868

                      This is yet another Mr Strawman creation… “is known for being bad”. No actual data or link is presented (because he has none); yet he tells people to present a coherent argument.

                      A coherent argument would mention that Pierzynski has averaged ~2fWAR over the last 4 years(which is worth about 10 mil on the FA market) and factoring in some decline 7-8mil is more than reasonable (especially on a 1 year deal). Instead a vague 1.5fWAR threshold is generated which make his value seem smaller than what it is.

                    • Ted Nelson

                      How many teams are in MLB? If you’re 15th, what does that make you? Average.

                      Let’s project forward based on 2012!

                    • FIPster Doofus

                      Well played, Tom.

                    • Tom

                      “It’s not the greatest for Cs because of pitch framing and handling a staff… Two things Pierzynski is known for being bad at. Try a coherent argument”

                      News flash…. above 0 = above average. He might not be well above average, but he certainly isn’t bad which is where you first started until someone called you out on it.

                      If you are going to tell people to have a coherent argument the least you can do is not just make stuff up and make it sound official with strawman language.

                      Also not everyone on the list is a starter, but you knew that…right? You wouldn’t try yet another misleading argument with 15 out of 30 = average. There are slightly more than 30 names on that list.

                    • Ted Nelson

                      Yes, Pierzynski is worth $10 million, yet 29 teams did not want to top $7.5 million. Bravo, Tommy boy! Good show!

                    • Tom

                      Learn to read… this schtick about reinterpreting people’s comments to argue with them rather than just own your mistake is old and tiresome. It’s why nearly every comment tree you are in turns into the no more reply stage it gets so deep. I hardly think that is just a coincidence.

                      “would mention that Pierzynski has averaged ~2fWAR over the last 4 years(which is worth about 10 mil on the FA market) and factoring in some decline 7-8mil is more than reasonable

                      I said he was worth ~10mil in the past… if you actually can read, I said 7-8 is more than reasonable (especialy because it was just a 1 year deal).

                      Look you’ve been called out on the pitch framing. You are playing fast and loose with WAR and now you are choosing to re-interpret my comments because you can’t seem to argue on the facts.

                      I’m done, I think people see your comments and “analysis” for what it is.

                    • Need Pitching & Hitting

                      and factoring in some decline 7-8mil is more than reasonable

                      It’s OK Ted, when all other arguments fail, resort to distortion (or failed reading comprehension). It’s the Ted Nelson way.

                    • Tom

                      Great minds (or bad minds?) think alike ;-)

                      Unfortunately this is what happens when some folks are more interested in “winning” an argument and defending a position than having an honest discussion.

                    • Ted Nelson

                      He’s going to decline from his per-2012 production? Or from his 2012 production? Because those two are not the same thing at all.

                      You can pretend I’m an ifpdiot because you disagree with me, but that doesn’t make your point any more valid. Things got a bit twisted around when I was attacked from 5 sides, but my argument is perfectly clear. AJP was not a good player. He had one year that was completely unlike anything he had done for 9 years. If you have taken even an intro stats class you know you don’t just take the most recent data point and project on that. Continuing to make statistically invalid arguments and pass them off because I misremembered one stat isn’t a good argument.

                      The pitch framing was not the crux of my argument. If you want to talk about being able to make a real case, you wouldn’t have to jump on one thing I misremembered.

                    • forensic

                      You can pretend I’m an ifpdiot because you disagree with me, but that doesn’t make your point any more valid.

                      I love the irony of this considering who it’s coming from.

                    • Need Pitching & Hitting

                      If you have taken even an intro stats class you know you don’t just take the most recent data point and project on that.

                      You keep arguing against points nobody is making. Who said he’s likely to repeat what he did in 2012? How is averaging his fWAR for the past 4 years statistically invalid? How is that using just the most recent data point?

                      Oh, that’s right, it’s not. It’s just Ted Nelson arguing against strawmen. Again.

                    • Ted Nelson

                      Let’s talk about your argument instead of attacking one point I made.

                      He was worth $10 million because he averaged 2 WAR, almost all of the weight coming on the most recent year. Yet, despite improving substantially in the most recent year to get to that (inflated) valuation we should now down his value 20-30% for expected decline? What? which is it? Is he a 2 WAR player based mostly on last season, or is he expected to decline?

                      You also know that FA money isn’t distributed Ina straight-line fashion, right? That a lot of AAAA and bench guys can give you one WAR over the course of a season, but aren’t necessarily worth $5 million on the margin because 10 other guys can do the same for the min.

                    • Ted Nelson

                      Averaging his last four years is invalid because if you don’t have an outlier you have an extremely influential observation. Ask, and you might learn something.

                    • Ted Nelson

                      So, no I WS not arguing against a strawman. I just have some concept of stats.

                    • Need Pitching & Hitting

                      Lol…this is just too stupid to respond to.
                      You’re becoming a caricature of yourself.

                    • Need Pitching & Hitting

                      No, you just like arguing against points that aren’t made. 4 years isn’t a single data point. The most recent year does count for something. It did happen. Including previous years helps even out it’s impact. The discount is about a 1/2 win discount. A common assumption used for aging players. He’s worth what the open market says he’s worth.

                      LOL at saying you have some concept of stats. You seem to love stats when they suit you’re strawman arguments. And ignore them when rational points are made. Whatever. I’m done.

                    • Ted Nelson

                      No, you don’t just average the last four years to project forward either. That is what I am saying.

                      I do have a concept of stats, because, you know, I studied it at a graduate level.

                    • Need Pitching & Hitting

                      I’d ask for a refund if I were you.
                      He didn’t average the last 4 to project forward. He averaged the last 4 to find the average of the last 4. He discounted from that to account for age/regression.

                      I’m afraid to ask, but what would you’re basis be for projecting forward?

                    • Ted Nelson

                      In fact, let’s look at what Bill James projects for AJP in 2013. Oh, yeah, .312 wOBA.

                    • Need Pitching & Hitting

                      Which is pretty much exactly what I’d expect.
                      That would likely be about a 90-91 wRC+. He had a 2.1 fWAR in 2009 with a 91 wRC+, and a 1.4 fWAR in 2011 with that same wRC+ (and career worst FLD score). So depending on his defense, he’d probably end up in the high 1′s for fWAR. In other words, a slight discount from a 2 fWAR average. Imagine that.

                    • Ted Nelson

                      I think you underrate what the Yankees will get from their internal options or signing a different FA.

                    • Ted Nelson

                      I mean you think Pierzynski hits like Cervelli and you’ve spent this long spinning around arguing with me about him? What a waste.

                    • Tom

                      I know I said I was done, but the graduate level stats and claims of advance stats bothers me.

                      When you pull out a Bill James projection, that (and well much of your other comments) really speaks to your background in advanced stats in baseball (or lack thereof). You can claim “graduate level” background but in this comment tree alone you have:

                      - confused median and mean (which is not even acceptable at the undergraduate level)

                      - Claim advanced stats would tell you to dismiss outliers; yet you seem to not understand what an outlier is or how to define one or test for one. And then ultimately how to deal with that outlier.

                      1) Anyone who truly has a graduate level stats background would not eyeball “outlier” – how about running a test of significance on the data… p, chi, whatever you like – is it a 3 sigma event? 6 sigma? Other than you apparently wanting it to be an outlier, does your advanced statistics background actually say it is a meaningful outlier that should be ignored (this is mostly rhetorical – you already know the answer to this… if you do have the background you say you do)

                      2) If it was an outlier, a “graduate” level background might be inclined to dig a little deeper and regress it as opposed to “poof it doesn’t exist”… should we regress BABIP, regress HR/FB rate, look at xBABIP, batted ball profile, infield hit %? A more trained person would look at regressing the component or two that was an outlier (like say if it was UZR for an OF – you wouldn’t toss out WAR, you’d regress the defensive component). Instead you are advocating dismissing the entire data point out of hand? It’s not like 1 year WAR is one data point, though you seem to be treating it as such.

                      Finally, you are absolutely correct you can’t just average 3 (or 4) years as you mention… To be precise you’d do a weighted average with more weight on the most recent data – something like a 5-3-2 regression. Of course unless you go into “pretend 2012 doesn’t exist” mode, this probably makes the case even stronger.

                      So you are either misusing your “graduate” level stats background or once again throwing it out as a strawman (much like it is known AJ is bad at framing). Saying ignore the # because you have a concept of advanced stats is yet another strawman to avoid any actual facts.

                    • Ted Nelson

                      So, I guess you can’t read huh Tom? I said that it MIGHT be an outlier or if not is a strong influential observation. Your point was again? You can choose to believe me or not, but I have taken stats at a graduate level. I am not actively using it here to look at any data, but just a general understanding of it.

                      Where have I once talked about median? You learn mean, median, mode in grade school. Not undergrad. I would be shocked if it is later than 7th grade.

                      I would not simply use a weighted average of three years, no. I would look at historical player performance to build a model, and apply it.

                    • Ted Nelson

                      Bill James also does not seem to use a simple three year weighted average, oh stats God Tom.

                      And, while we’re nitpicking each other’s formal training, I believe you have misused strawman argument. Me saying I have a grad degree if I don’t isn’t one in any way I can tell.

                      Do you even know what a regression is? You keep saying to regress this and that… Against what? (I never said to throw anything out, by the way, there is a strawman argument for you smarty pants.)

                  • Steve

                    You can when you’re Ted Nelson

                    • FIPster Doofus

                      I laughed.

                    • Ted Nelson

                      Great point.

                • MannyGeee

                  “You don’t project forward based on one data point.”

                  George did…

                  #spinninginhisgrave

            • Blake

              Miguel Olivo had a .239 OBP last year….not really a relevant comp.

              • Ted Nelson

                Yeah, but he is. That’s what you’re missing because you’re blinded by one data point.

                • Blake

                  No he’s not ….he’s been terrible the last two seasons….he’s a back up. At some point what happened 3 years ago doesn’t matter anymore ….especially with players in decline

                  • Ted Nelson

                    He’s a relevant comp. Not a perfect comp.

              • FIPster Doofus

                Didn’t you hear? fWAR is the only relevant stat in baseball.

                • Ted Nelson

                  Again… What defense do you have that Pierzynski is good? You have offered none, except career numbers shaped by hispore-2003 performance

                  • FIPster Doofus

                    Again, I didn’t call him “good.” I called him better than what the Yankees have, especially on a one-year deal. Do you think the triumvirate NYY has now is better than AJP? If yes, based on what?

                    • Ted Nelson

                      Cervelli’s stats aren’t particularly worse than Pierzynski’s before 2012, so there’s that. There’s the whole you don’t like WAR, but Pierzynski stinks at the things WAR misses thing.

                    • FIPster Doofus

                      Cervelli has fewer than 600 career MLB plate appearances. Pierzynski has over 6,000. What happened to the value of sample sizes? And why exactly doesn’t 2012 count? Oh, right, because Pierzynski was one of the best hitting catchers in MLB and Cervelli spent it putting up a crisp .309 wOBA in Triple-A.

                    • Need Pitching & Hitting

                      Pierzynski stinks at the things WAR misses thing

                      Any evidence to back this up? You keep bringing up pitch framing, which he graded out as above average in.

                    • Ted Nelson

                      2012 counts, but it is one data point.

                      Stinks might be too strong, but there’s no evidence that WAr underrated him.

                  • Jack P

                    Ted Nelson, you are the perhaps the best troll I’ve seen in the history of the interwebs.

  • Get Phelps Up

    The fact is, he’s 36 and just came off a career year offensively where he posted a wRC+ >100 for the first time since 2003. Add to that his shoddy defense and the Yankees decision is certainly justifiable.

    • MannyGeee

      Don’t say that!!!!! You will disturb the George rolling in his grave marathon….

  • Dicka24

    Wow, they must really not want anything to do with AJP if he signed for 1 year and $7.5 million. You’d think the Yankees would gladly beat that dollar amount for 2013, cuz of their need at the position, and their desire for as little money as possible being committed to the dreaded 2014 payroll. I think we’ve all heard that AJP has a bit of an attitude, but sheesh he must be a complete $$$$ for the Yankees to pass.

    I don’t get all the dislike for Cervelli. I think the kid has some spunk about him, and should only improve with more playing time. He can’t hit any worse than Stewart, and while his D has been suspect as a major leaguer, he had a rep for being solid on D in the minors. I don’t think the catcher spot is a strength by any means, but I don’t think it’s going to be as bad as so many fear. I’d prefer a more proven commodity to start of course, but if it is “Bubba Crosby” time, so be it.

    • http://www.flickr.com/photos/roadgeek/ Roadgeek Adam

      100% in agreement on the second half. I have stated (to friends and others) since Martin /became/ a free agent that Cervelli/Stewart/Romine were what it’s worth, especially Cervelli. I’d give him his chance now that he get it. If he wastes it, then who knows.

  • http://www.twitter.com/mattpat11 Matt DiBari

    I really can’t imagine that a team that supposedly values catcher’s defense would seriously consider Francisco Cervelli. Something’s up.

  • Blake

    AJP had an .874 OPS vs RHP last year….he will probably regress but still he would have given them a full time option to platoon with Romine. For the money he signed for it doesn’t make much sense that the Yanks weren’t involved unless he just indicated he didn’t want to play in NY or unless they have a trade in the works…..

    • Ted Nelson

      Again, stop with one data point.

      • Blake

        Again…stop missing the point that he’s better than what they currently have

        • Blake

          Dude you’re the one trying to compare a AJP to Miguel Olivo in 2012….you try a coherent argument please

          • Robinson Tilapia

            This is all sorts of No No No Donkey.

            • MannyGeee

              Stop repeating unfunny memes… Its int teh guidelinez..

              #burrito

              • Robinson Tilapia

                Meme? Shit, that was true!

          • Ted Nelson

            Except I never once did that.

        • Ted Nelson

          Because of how many data points?

          • Ted Nelson

            He slugged .500 after not putting up above .436 since 2003.

          • Need Pitching & Hitting

            How many “data points” indicate otherwise?

            Even at pre-2012 levels, he’s likely to be an upgrade in 2013 over any of Cervelli/Stewart/Romine.

            • Ted Nelson

              A $7.5 million upgrade? He’s barely been better than Cervelli, who people here hate with a vengance.

              • Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)

                TEH FISTPUMPS!!!!!!!! No but seriously…dude has no power, doesn’t see many pitches, and is meh defensively.

                I’m not saying the Yankees are in terrible trouble by not signing AJP, but to pretend he isn’t an upgrade, even a small one is silly.

                • Ted Nelson

                  Cervelli isn’t good, but he produced more in part time play in 2010-11 than AJ did in full time play.

                  • Need Pitching & Hitting

                    More what, fist pumps?

                    • Ted Nelson

                      More offensive production as measured by wOBA and wRC+? .317 93 vs. .309 86. Or are we not counting those stats as credible anymore because they don’t fit with our AJ is awesome narrative?

                    • Need Pitching & Hitting

                      There is no AJ is awesome narrative. You really need to stop with that. You’re the only one saying that.

                      wOBA and wRC+ are rate stats.
                      An accurate statement would be that Cervelli performed at a higher offensive rate than AJ in 2010-11. Saying he produced more is completely inaccurate. Saying he produced at a better rate offensively is accurate.

                    • Ted Nelson

                      No, he did produce more with the PAs he was given. Unless these guys are player managers, then what I said is accurate.

                    • Need Pitching & Hitting

                      He produced at a higher rate. Not more total.

                    • Ted Nelson

                      There’s a reason we use wOBA instead of a counting stat.

                  • Need Pitching & Hitting

                    but he produced more in part time play in 2010-11 than AJ did in full time play.

                    Yes there is. It’s not to make inaccurate statements like this. He produced better (offensively) in part-time play. Not more. More per PA. More per game. Not more total.

                    • Ted Nelson

                      Not more total what?

                    • Need Pitching & Hitting

                      Production.

                      but he produced

                      Judging “more” necessarily involves totaling up, or counting, something rate stats don’t do.

                      Judging better can be achieved with rate stats.

                    • Ted Nelson

                      So, more nothings? Oh, yeah… There’s no counting stats that sum up total production because we use rate stats to account for manager discretion and other factors.do you ever get tired of being wrong? Cervelli produced MORE than Pierzynski, because we judge hitters on a rate basis.

                    • Need Pitching & Hitting

                      More what?
                      You wouldn’t say player A had “more” wOBA or “more” wRC+. More is cumulative. Rates stats aren’t. The accurate phrase would be player A had a better wRC+ or a better wOBA. Not more.

                      Examples:
                      Player A had more HR’s (more used for counting stats).

                      Player A had a better AVG (for rate stats). Nobody would say a player has more AVG. Or more wOBA. Or more wRC+.

                      Seriously. Call your grad school. Demand a refund. You don’t need an advanced degree for this. Just a basic understanding of the English language.

                      Also, there IS a counting stat to sum up total production. wRC. Cervelli from 2010-11: 51 wRC. AJ in that period: 106.

                      106 wRC is MORE than 51.
                      Cervelli’s .317 wOBA in that span is Better than AJ’s .309 wOBA.

                      do you ever get tired of being wrong?

                      This is just too funny coming from you. Or were you talking to yourself?

              • Need Pitching & Hitting

                I didn’t say he was a $7.5M upgrade. I think there is a good chance he won’t be that big of an upgrade, which is why I’m not upset that they passed on him.
                Is Ichiro a $13M upgrade over Dickerson? Is Youk a $12M upgrade over Nunez or Adams?

                • Ted Nelson

                  I think Youk has a decent chance to be a $12 million upgrade over Nunez, yes. I have high hopes for Adams, though I know little about his ankle, play at 3B, or MLB readiness.

                  ‘m wondering if Ichiro is a marketing thing or the Yankees really have reason to believe his late resurgence was for real.

  • Robinson Tilapia

    Not signing AJ Pierzynski is the clearest sign yet that the younger Steinbrenners do not share their father’s passion for winning and only want to line their pockets. Without AJ, we are doomed to a last place finish. This franchise is no longer committed to putting a team on the field built to win championships, which is what Yankee teams do. Anything less than a championship team should be unacceptable to anyone calling themselves a Yankee fan.

    *collects $100 bill*

    I feel dirty.

    • Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)

      My name is Mike Franccessa Listener/Caller and I fully endorse this statement.

      Seriously though? Am I happy with the moves the Yankees have made this offseason? No. I’m not. Youkilis and Alex are basically the same player at this point in their respective careers so to expect one to stay healthy and play almost everyday until the other gets back is hopeful at best. Giving Ichiro 2 years is as dumb as trading for Vasquez the second time IMO, and even with the lack of ML-caliber catching around the league I think going w/ a Romine/Cervelli/Stewart trio is a black hole in the line up.

      However with all that said, with Cano, Grandy, Tex, Gardner,and Jeter to go along with our pitching and Mariano healthy and closing games this is easily a 90 win team. If we get positive productions from DH and Youk/Alex and Ichiro/RHH RF’er maybe 95. That should be enough to make the playoffs, and once there it’s a crapshoot.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        I regret not bringing back Chavez. I would have liked to have seen Schierholz. If the numbers being thrown around on Swisher are real, I’d be disappointed to see them not match.

        Other than that, I can’t argue much with what they’ve done. Ichiro could always transition to a true 4th outfielder in his second year if the decline is that steep. I just don’t see one extra year as being as awful as you do.

        • Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)

          It’s more about the whole budgetary restraints. You can have a 4th OF for league minimum or pay Ichiro millions to do so.

          • Robinson Tilapia

            A whole lot of balls in play between now and next off-season. For all we know, there may be a starting option at the league minimum, or space to bring in someone better than out hypothetically-declined Ichiro at something above that, by the 2013-14 off-season.

        • I am not the droids you’re looking for…

          I wonder if Swish will go back to the Yanks ala Beltran before he signed with the Mets, to give them a chance to match a 4/52ish deal, if not even a slight discount?

  • Robinson Tilapia

    In all seriousness, you can say over and over on the comment section of a website that the Yankees should take this direction or sign this guy. The franchise doesn’t have to listen to you.

    There’s uncertainty at the catcher position. You’ll live.

    It’s not the attitude, to me, with AJ. It’s having a career year in your late 30′s. Perhaps he may have been worth it on a one year deal, but I’m not losing sleep at not having him.

    • MannyGeee

      ” It’s having a career year in your late 30?s”

      Not enough people are talking about this point. This COMPLETELY defies logic. And now people want to sign him at all costs?

      At least Melky’s career year (albeit tainted) came at a more natural time for a professional athlete, to do it at 36 either shows that the “Contract Year” spike (made famous by Adrian Beltre) is real, or something even more sinister….

  • Karloff

    I’d rather have Girardi suit up then have AJ on the team

  • forensic

    No problem with skipping going after him.

    I just don’t think it quite as big a drop-off from Martin to Romine/Cervelli as many do, and I’m not even one who has been high on Romine during his developmental years.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Yeah, I’m not gung-ho about any of them, but at least there are three options there and, worst case scenario, they can ride the hot hand until something sticks. Best case scenario, someone there seizes a prime opportunity and runs with it. We love seeing that on every other team except the Yankees.

      • MannyGeee

        Let teh kids play!!!!!!

        (just not here)

  • Pistol Pete

    If AJ only got $7.5 m for one year and the Yanks didn’t sign him then I just don’t know what their thinking was unless there is a trade brewing. His performance, experience and contract term and money fits perfectly within the budget. I just don’t get how you give Youkalis $12 to replace Arod for half a season and don’t sign AJ for less and are left with catching options that are just awful. Romine is a double AA catcher with a bad back who can’t hit and Cervelli and Stewart are proven not to be everyday catchers who can’t hit and have no power. Unless there’s a trade brewing this decision makes no sense.

    • Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)

      Nobody (who scouts players at all anyway) has ever said Romine can’t hit. They said/say he didn’t have Montero’s bat, but Montero was supposed to be a lock for Rookie Of The Year the year he came up because of his bat. Romine has always been projected as having an average bat for a catcher, maybe a tick below. If you look above I said that using Romine/Cervelli/Stewart would be a black hole in the line up, but that’s simply because in my mind the plan was to have a veteran caddy for Romine his first year. There is just as much of a chance of Romine working out to exactly what he’s supposed to be, an average MLB Catcher w/ slightly above average defensive ability.

      Pistol, refresh my memory, weren’t you one of the “We need to get younger” crowd during the playoffs/early off season? If so, I’ve got some bad news, getting younger usually means getting worse before getting better. Look at the Rays, they took a step back this season in trading Shields to be better in and beyond w/ Myers.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        Because they all want to get younger until it actually happens. They want an outfield of both Almontes and a kid in diapers up until it actually becomes a possibility (which it never will.)

        They wonder when teams with no name guys win, but would never allow for the possibility that someone could actually overachieve in the team they root for.

      • pistol pete

        Then why not an AJ/Romine platoon. It’s keeps the Yanks competitive while also getting younger i.e Girardi/Posada in 96. The $7.5m deal is cheap in today’s market and the one year term fits perfectly into the 2014 plan. Romine hasn’t even spent a healthy season in Triple AA and hasn’t shown much ability to hit. Cervelli and Stewart are never going to be everyday catchers and are not really good back ups. If Youkalis at $12m then why not AJ at $7.5m, I don’t get it.

        • Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)

          Every year in the minors that Romine has more than 150 PAs he’s posted a wRC+ of 98 or better. I’m not saying he’s an All Star but I think he’s got a chance to be at least average this year.

      • Ted Nelson

        He’s no Pierzynski, though… That guy is one improving, declining monster!

        • Need Pitching & Hitting

          Right. Expecting a player to decline off of a career year is an outrageous assumpion. Even though you keep making that point. Somebody else makes this logical point….OUTRAGEOUS!!!!

          • Ted Nelson

            No. Saying a player has been a 2 WAR player when he was at 1, 1, 2, 1, 1.5, 3.5 and then saying, but maybe he’ll decline a little from that 2 WAR level is ridiculous. Because you’re saying the same thing I am: he’s a 1-1.5 WAR player. Or about what you might expect the Yankees THIRD C to do in a full season.

            • Need Pitching & Hitting

              I do think he is a 1 – 1.5 WAR player.
              I do think it’s entirely possible whoever emerges as the primary C out of Romine/ Stewart/ Cervelli can be worse than that.
              I don’t care that they didn’t sign AJ.
              But I don’t think it’s at all an unreasonable opinion for others to care. There is legitimate reason to think he’s an upgrade over what they currently have.

              • Ted Nelson

                If he’s a 1-1.5 WAR player and Cervelli projects to be a 1 WAR player as a regular and the Yankees like Stewart, probably Romine, and maybe Wilson better than Cervelli… Remind me why it is reasonable to pay him $7.5 million.

                (Stewart and Wilson happen to grade out very well as P framers, I believe.)

                • Need Pitching & Hitting

                  Fans don’t care about $$$$. They care about wins.
                  If they think AJ is better than the current options, (he very well might be),they don’t care about the pay. Most fans want the best possible team, and don’t care if doing so cuts into the Stein boys’ profits, or if the marginal cost is too high. It’s not like the Yankees haven’t done similar before. How many of the contracts the Yankees have paid out over the past decade have been completely reasonable?

                  Also playing in: 1-1.5 WAR is probably a realisic high end for the in-house options. AJ offers at least slightly more of a possibility of being better than that.

                  • Ted Nelson

                    They should care that it cuts into their ability to actually get a good C or improve another position. I think most reasonable fans do.

                    The arguments made against me were exactly that he is worth $7-8 million, but keep spinning around until you hit something! Eventually I’ll misremember a stat again and you can be right gain!

                    • Need Pitching & Hitting

                      I think he is worth $7-8M. I think that’s a fair market price for AJ.
                      There’s a difference between being worth that much and being worth that much more than the other options.
                      You’re the one distorting/ misrepresenting everything.

                    • Ted Nelson

                      There’s that whole opportunity cost thing. If a team signs a guy, they necessarily thought paying him that much was worth it compared to their next best alternative. If Romine is, in fact, their next best alternative, the Yankees would think signing AJ is worth $7 mill more than Romine (not AJ).

                      Stay in school. You’ll get there. Then you’ll realize I am not twisting things around, you are. I am not making up stats and econ. They are pretty well established fields.

                      You think he’s a 1-1.5 WAR player worth $7.5 million? I wouldn’t have minded signing him at all, but I think $7.5 is an overpay. I think people freaking out that they didn’t sign him is totally ridiculous.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Because you wanted him and they didn’t. The post Mike references above said just that. You don’t run the Yankees.

  • forensic

    Threads with a strong Ted Nelson presence never seem to disappoint…

    • Get Phelps Up

      This one was a gem.

      • forensic

        I especially liked the Miguel Olivo throw-in.

        The RABbi’s must love it though because with the spiked number of responses their ad revenue must skyrocket.

        • Reuben Sierra’s Chains

          Mr. Nelson has to be on the payroll.

          • I am not the droids you’re looking for…

            He IS the brute squad!

    • Ted Nelson

      Yeah, because I never comment on other threads.

      AJP forever! Greatest bad C of all time! Yankees are idiots for not buying into his roided up season and paying him! He’s an average P framer, not a bad one! We really showed Ted!

      • Need Pitching & Hitting

        Nobody said AJ was great. They said he’s better than what they have. He very likely is.
        Keep arguing against that though.
        You criticize others for pulling arguments out of their ass, but then get all hot and bothered when someone calls you out for doing the same? LMFAO

        • Ted Nelson

          Hyperbole.

          He is not at all likely to be $7.5 million better, a fact you have agreed to above. You have basically agreed that he’s a Cervelli level performer. You just want to argue.

          • Get Phelps Up

            It sounds like you’re the one who wants to argue.

          • Need Pitching & Hitting

            I did not agree he is a Cervelli level perfomer. I think he’d definitely be better than Cervelli. I think Cervelli is the worst option of the Romine/Stewart/Cervelli trio.

            And I never, anywhere, said he is likely to be $7.5M better. I think $7.5M is about what he would be worth in total.

            • Ted Nelson

              Then you think he’s about $7 million better.

              Notice that I said you agreed he’s not? You are arguing with me even when I state your points, and then directly contradicting your points.

              • Need Pitching & Hitting

                “Then you think he’s about $7 million better.”

                Never said this. Not anywhere. Not ever.
                Where did I contradict any points. Nowhere. I think he’s better than Cervelli. I don’t think he’s $7M better. That’s not a contradiction.

      • Get Phelps Up

        Roided?

        • forensic

          Shh, he’s on a roll…

          /AnimalHouse’d

        • Ted Nelson

          His year was inflated, roided up. At the same time… How many guys ever had career years at 36 outside the steroid era? Cs no less. Clearly I have no idea if he used PEDs, but it wouldn’t surprise me.

  • Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)

    Wait we need a power hitting RHH AND a catcher? Time to call up Jesus Monte–oh wait that’s right…
    #obligatoryMonteroMention #Trolololol

    • forensic

      The sad thing is that he actually is exactly what they need. Young, cheap, right-handed, power-hitting, opposite-field hitter. Whether it’s catcher or DH, he’d fit.

      • pistol pete

        Are we ever going to stop the Montero trade complaining. It’s over, it was a dud, it happens. Furthermore with Girardi as manager he would have never put up with his poor defensive catching.

        • forensic

          Where did I say anything or complain about the trade? I was describing his traits in terms of current team needs.

        • Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)

          and my original comment was in jest. Hence the silly hashtags.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          Thus far, it’s a dud, but it’s actually NOT over.

  • Dave in VA

    It appears the Yankees didn’t put a claim on Scott Van Slyke… nor did anyone else. Dodgers have outrighted him to the minors per MLBTradeRumors.

  • Jim Cavanaugh

    This is really a disgrace. Mariano and Andy come back for one more run and mgmt cant even give them a legitimate major league catcher yet Cashman found 12 million for Youkilis, who made the club wait a week before taking that money. Some interesting times we are living in to say the least.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      “NOT SIGNING AJ PIERNYZSKI IS A DISGRACE!” said no one ever in the history of humanity until right now.

      • Jim Cavanaugh

        I never said that specifically, i mean continuing to leave a vital part of a veteran-laden team in the hands of (let’s face it) Austin Romine is asking for trouble & while i don’t love Pierzynski, in today’s market his contract is a BARGAIN … and the Yanks never even made an offer. Countdown to reaching out to Miguel Olivo in 3, 2, 1 ….

    • MannyGeee

      AJ Pierzinski is the opposite of a ‘legitimate catcher’. By the contrary, Romine/Stewart/Cervelli are more legit “catchers” than Pierzinski.

      Just because Pierzinski hit better than those other three guys last season doesn’t make him a better catcher, just like Barry Bonds in 2003 was not the best Right Fielder ever just because he hit 65 home runs while holding a glove for 162 games in right field.

      So continue being appalled.

  • Ted Nelson

    I would love to cross check those angry about this against those who whine about the older players they sign

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Mike, is there some money in the RAB stash to get Ted an intern for this task?

  • Robinson Tilapia

    Every argument with Ted:

    Commenter: *something exagerrated*
    Ted: I disagree.
    Commenter: you’re an asshole!
    Ted: no i’m not and here are some facts..
    Commenter: you’re an asshole!
    Crabbe: yeah, you’re an asshole and your mother has a bigger one!
    Goyle: yeah, a wiiiide one!
    Ted: for god’s sake, I hope your kids all catch chlamydia during a school shooting.
    RAB: see! Ted’s an asshole!

    Ten hours condensed neatly for you right there.

    • Havok9120

      This is among the best posts ever. And also pretty accurate.

      It’s amazing to me that his thread got well over 200 comments. We’re being December’d.

    • Jim Is Bored

      Perfect.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        For Christmas, I’d love for, just once, Ted not take the bait.

        • Havok9120

          I’m pretty sure the strain would kill him. He’d die of apoplexy.

    • MannyGeee

      ietc. well done

  • I am not the droids you’re looking for…

    Well 500 comments later let me see if I get this straight…

    1) AJP is most likely somewhat better than our internal options
    2) AJP is most likely not $7.5 million better than our internal options
    3) We don’t yet know where or whether the Yanks intend to otherwise deploy this type of money
    4) Ted, Tom, and Need have crossed one another off their respective Xmas card lists

    Did I miss anything?

    • Havok9120

      Not really. That about sums it up.

      Oh. Some of the newer people seem to have gotten their first exposure to Ted. That’s always a good time.

  • wiljaq YankFan

    This offseason, the
    Yankees are turning into the Mets…………they are both cheapskates!