Cafardo: Yankees monitoring Javy Vazquez in winter ball

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Via Nick Cafardo: The Yankees are one of several teams who have been watching Javy Vazquez‘s recent winter ball outings in Puerto Rico. Bob Nightengale says he’s throwing 92-95 mph and scouts are raving.

Vazquez, 36, has pitched to a 3.52 ERA with 30 strikeouts and six walks in 23 innings across six winter ball starts. He sat out the 2012 season after pitching to a 3.69 ERA (3.57 FIP) with the Marlins in 2011, a season that included an utterly dominant second half and a mid-summer velocity spike. I guess he either got healthy or fixed his mechanics. A few clubs have been all over Javy recently and although the Yankees are expected to bottom-feed for rotation depth this month, I would be floored if they brought Vazquez back for a third tour of duty, even on a minor league contract. Doesn’t hurt to watch his starts though.

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Morosi: Yankees willing to meet asking price for Justin Upton
  • Austin Aunelowitzky

    What’s lower than floored? I’d be basemented!

    • Mike HC

      I’d be parking garaged

      • Scully

        I’d be Dante’s Inferno’ed

    • johnnybk

      I’d be rolling in a grave

      • Jon G

        Yep – all these sentiments.

        My first reaction was a wide-eyed, terror-stricken, “Nooooooooooooooooooo!”

        To much baggage for Javi in NY – so much much of baseball is mental, and Javi + NY Yankees is pretty much a recipe for yet another #epicfail…

  • Blake

    Still think he had something up with his shoulder in 2011…..the way his velo dipped and he was pushing the ball all year getting arm side run…..either that or he secretly saw Bartolo’s surgeon at some point…..

    • goterpsgo

      Hoffa’d in Giants Stadium.

  • Tony

    Cash has always liked Javy. I actually have rooted for him to succeed while he was with the Yanks. Give him a shot he may surprise us all.

    • jjyank

      I sure as hell hope you rooted for him to succeed on the Yanks. Not sure what kind of fan wouldn’t.

      • MannyGeee

        You really have to ask that kind of question around here?

  • TheOneWhoKnocks

    oh god no

  • Blake

    They’d be no harm in signing him to a minor league deal or something for depth….but my guess is somebody gives him a big league deal and a shot at a rotation spot if he’s throwing that well

    • TCMiller30

      He’d bring along plenty of bad juju.. I don’t want Javy Pt. 3. I don’t see why anyone would.

      • Sweet Dick Willie

        Raises hand

        I would. On the right deal, of course.

  • Jersey Joe

    Hahahahahahahhahhahahahahahahahahahahaha NO!

  • Jacob The OG (formerly Jacob)

    NO! I would rather see them bring back AJ

  • Austin Aunelowitzky

    …in other news Kei Igawa has been perfecting a changeup in Okinawa senior league…

  • Eddard’s back and better than never

    Why is it whenever we hear about the Yankees “monitoring” or “having their eye on someone” it’s always a run down has been? And this run down has been was already run out of town not once but twice! Stop it. Javy is an NL pitcher. When are these clowns going to realize that the NL is different than the AL East?

    • OldYanksFan

      Because “a run down has been” is CHEAP and usually NOT in demand. The Yanks aren’t shopping for an Ace. They are looking for a #6-#7 starter. Who knows, maybe Javy has been ‘Bartolo-ed’.

      Anyway… dontcha know?


    • Robinson Tilapia

      Because terms like “monitored” and “one of the teams who watched x pitcher throw” are usually used on pitchers who are trying to prove they have something left in the tank.

      • Ted Nelson

        It never ceases to amaze me… I would like to make jjyank’s comment from yesterday or a couple of says ago that had something to do with losing faith in humanity and kids staying in school a thing.

  • Slappy McWaterbug

    I have an irrational hatred of this idea.

    • Mike HC

      It is quite rational

  • Dro413

    Everytime we get him he gets hit a lot. Maybe in the bullpen he’s good

  • Matt Imbrogno


  • Mike HC

    This is by far the worst news I have heard all off season. Someone needs to organize an intervention for Cashman. He just can’t quit Javy Vazquez. “Brian, we all love you here. You need help. Javy Vazquez will not make you happy. He is destroying your life!”

    • jjyank

      Eh. There’s no harm in monitoring anyone.

      • Mike HC

        When you are addicted to something, you don’t keep it around to look at and smell just so it can tempt you. Alcoholics don’t hang around bars!

        • Dale Mohorcic

          Alcoholics do hang around bars. It’s the “recovered” alcoholics that don’t.

          • Mike HC

            haha … true. Cashman has obviously never got the help he badly needs.

    • Ted Nelson

      Monitoring someone for a potential minor league or small deal is not exactly the same as trading prospects for someone.

  • JW

    Perhaps he drank the perhaps-not-so-mysterious-Bartolo Colon-elixir during his year off from MLB that had the perhaps-not-so-mysterious effect on his velocity?

    • pounder

      Probably true.

  • Preston

    If he’s really generating this much buzz there is no way he signs with us. He can’t have many good memories of pitching here. I hope he gets another shot for somebody, and I hope he does well.

    • Sweet Dick Willie

      He can’t have many good memories of pitching here.

      First half of 2004 was pretty sweet.

  • trr

    do NOT want

  • dc1874

    My eyes began to bleed after reading this story

  • Matt :: Sec110

    I, stupidly, didn’t mind the move last time…but dear god no…not round 3.

  • Tom Zig

    Third time is a charm?

  • Nick

    There’s an old saying in Tennessee — I know it’s in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can’t get fooled again.

  • Mike HC

    There were still a couple of fans who were satisfied with the Yanks off season this year, like me. And Cash and Hal just couldn’t have that! Javy should erase any traces left of fan support.

  • shotsy23

    Noooooooooo… Not Again !!!!

  • goterpsgo
  • Ed

    No Please not again!

  • birddog

    Cafardo is the same Boston hack that said the Bombers were in on Bourn, take this one with a grain of salt in the wound.. Mike Ax please get your friend Morosi and Zack Links to change Granderson’s 2013 salary to $15MM not $13MM, their gonna give all the little children outside of NY the wrong idea… you don’t like Hultzen? really?

    • Dr. Jake Rosenstein

      All the little children everywhere know that it’s they’re not their.

    • Dr. Jake Rosenstein

      It’s a bird! It’s a dog! It’s a birddog!

  • YanksX28

    May be we can hire him as a RH bat! He’s got NL experience.

  • Steve (different one)

    Why would sign with the Yanks if he has several offers? He wouldn’t and he won’t.

    Much ado about nothing.

  • The other Steve S

    I was hoping for Javy the catcher

  • Ryan

    Last time he came to the yanks fresh off finishing 4th in the NL Cy young. I don’t care if he’s throwing 100 mph and has a 0.00 ERA he will suck again if he comes to NY.

    • MannyGeee

      Seems rational.. He’s got the best stuff in the world but he’ll still fail

      • Ryan

        It’s not his stuff it’s between his ears. Not everyone can pitch in NY so yes it’s rational to think he won’t pitch well no matter how he’s throwing in WINTERBALL.

  • ClayDavis

    So they’re monitoring Javy but apparently hardly involved in the Morse or Upton conversations. This is the kind of thing Hal that is upsetting your fanbase.

    • jjyank

      Let’s wait and see if, when, and to whom Morse or Upton are traded before we start bitching about how much or how little the Yankees are/were involved in the trade talks. We have no idea.

      Javy was a good pitcher who is making a come back. They’re doing their due diligence. I doubt they take a shot, even on a minor league deal, but they should be monitoring EVERYBODY.

    • Steve (different one)

      It’s not the same people. Scouts are monitoring Vazquez. The GM would be talking to AZ or WA. Cashman himself is not in PR watching Javy.

      They are unrelated. Every bit of minor news is not a referendum on ownership.

      • Slappy McWaterbug

        Not to mention you have to have two to talk. The Nationals have indicated they’re in no hurry to move Morse. What is Cashman going to do, stalk them like a jilted girlfriend? Call them every day saying ‘are you ready to move him today?’

        As for Upton it has been said ad nauseum that the Yankees are probably not good trade partners for the D-Backs. We don’t have what they want. Get over it.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      They’re also having lunch and peeing. HOW CAN THEY DO ALL THESE THINGS AT THE SAME TIME?!?!

    • nicky

      Yeah, I’d be way less upset if management telegraphed and leaked every possible move to the media (cough boston)…

  • stu phillips

    Now i know hal is joke &a jerk. Hell he will pay at the box office@!!!!!

  • Slu

    Just when I think the Yankees can’t get any dumber, they go and do something like this….

    • Ryan

      “And totally redeem themselves”

    • Robinson Tilapia


      • jjyank

        Seriously. This thread is a little ridiculous.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          Either there’s a severe reading comprehension issue going on with some people or there’s several just sad attempts at straight-up trolling.

          Every team sends people out to scout guys who are trying to show there’s something left in the tank.

          • Slappy McWaterbug

            No kidding. If it were discovered that there weren’t scouts at these things for the Yankees there would be an equally hysterical reaction about ‘the Hal doesn’t even send scouts to watch these guys, he doesn’t care about the fans’.

            Sometimes I wonder what these peoples lives are like. They must be like Will Farrell in Wedding Crashers, minus the awesomeness.

          • Slu

            1. It was a dumb and dumber joke.
            2. I forgot that you were in charge here and that only your opinion matters. You need to relax and get over yourself. You are not always right, like you think you are.
            3. It is too bad you’ll never read this comment.

  • http://Riveraveblues Austinmac

    He”s too young. Don’t worry.

  • Scully

    Well, since beggars can’t be choosers and we’re very much begging for help this offseason, instead of irrationally hating the guy… which btw isn’t too irrational considering his highs and lows performance (with more lows) as a yankee, you should be looking at that spike in velocity. Remember at the end of the 2010 season his peak velocity was in the 86-88 range, while during the second half of the 2011 season it was back up in the 91-93 range. Now we hear its in the 92-95 range. Let’s say for arguments sake his avg velocity in the 2nd half of 2010 was 87 and now it’s 93. That’s a HUGE difference, especially for a guy who throws that along with that big 11-5 curve, slider, and 2-seamer all off of his 4-seamer. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with monitoring a guy. But, along Mike’s points I’m really curious as to what happened to cause the drop and then to cause his rebirth. If no one gives him a major league deal there’s absolutely nothing wrong with bringing him to spring training.

    • Scully

      Also, c’mon guys… most of us here are New Yorkers and sports fans in general, which means along with the Yankees we route for the Knicks, Rangers etc.. aka teams that usually lose every year. Our (perhaps justified) complaining about the sudden budget constraints are getting old. How about the nice part about going into a baseball season not having the Yankees as the odds on favorites to win. I’m as big of a Yankee fan as anyone on here, but it’s really not joyful to know that if they win the WS every year they’re only doing “what they’re supposed to do.” We’ve gotten really spoiled since 1994… and frankly I’m finding myself more excited for the on-field baseball even if it won’t be nearly as picture perfect this year because it’s going ot be a challenge to contend.

      Of course, I could be singing a different tune if they’re 50-50 after 100 games.

  • Robinson Tilapia

    Good to see all these people with different opinions posting so much ripe material for conversation.

    That being said, Javy Vazquez is probably one of my three least favorite Yankees in recent memory, which means I’d be rooting for never hearing of this again.

  • Herby

    Why bother with Vazquez when Pavano is still out there

  • Magilla Gorilla

    The Yankees really need a scapegoat to take our minds off of this team.

    Third time is the charm

  • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula

    Jeez, what’s the harm taking a look at Javy? I’m no fan after his first 2 stints but this time around he’d cost no prospects and would likely sign a cheap one year deal if it ever got that far.

    With the success the yanks have had in recent years with Colon and Freddy, why the heck wouldn’t they at least kick the tires on Javy. He was throwing pretty damn well with the Marlins in the 2nd half of 2011.

    • ThatstheMelkyMesaWaysa

      I’d rather they sign Machete Urbina.

      • Preston

        I’m 1000% on board with signing him. As long as he doesn’t douse anybody in gasoline.

  • Endlessjose

    Cashman just can’t admit that NL pitchers can’t survive the AL east.He was the one who wanted Carl Pavano back a second time.

    • Ted Nelson

      Yes, because the Chicago White Sox play in the NL.

  • Matt DiBari

    Javy Vazquez is Brian Cashman’s white whale.

    • RetroRob

      Bring the whale to camp if it can hit 92+.

  • ThatstheMelkyMesaWaysa

    I’m certain it would be easier to sign Esteban Loaiza/Brad Halsey to suck just as much.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      You just named the third of my three least favorite Yankees in recent memory there to go along with Javy and Pavano.

      • ThatstheMelkyMesaWaysa

        The Yankees certainly made some questionable pitching decisions over the past 10ish years. I won’t ever understand how Javy and Loaiza ended up on the team and on the same staff.

        • Ted Nelson

          It’s pretty easy to see why Javier Vazquez was acquired.

  • Birddog

    Good eye Doc, I do realize a grammical error renders one foolish on a baseball site, I’ll have to be a tad more consciencious moving forward….That said, if Links and Morosi are gonna cash a check, let’s get the info right….Or geniuses like you won’t be able to calculate the proper AAV when your whining about the payroll.With all these minor league deals a few million here and there make a difference, right?

  • Kevin G.

    Sign him just to see the internet explode

  • birdstick

    Ahahahahahah. 92-95. I need visual proof.

  • SevenAces

    This probably speaks for everyone..

  • Ramondo

    This has Cashman written all over it!! Cashman is officially INSANE…doing something over and over expecting a different result!!

  • RetroRob

    If he’s throwg 92-95, then they should have an interest. He had difficulty hitting maintaining 89-90 when he was on his second tour with the Yankees.

    Yet I can’t see why Vazquez would want to return. He’ll have other options.