Feb
10

Snowmageddon Open Thread Part III

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Yesterday we went with the Giancarlo Stanton highlights, so today we’ll go with Craig Kimbrel. That’s video game stuff right there. You’re not going to find a better fastball-breaking ball combination on the planet. Just filthy.

Anyway, here is your open thread for the night. Hopefully you’re all shoveled out and able to access the rest of civilization. The Rangers, Devils, and Nets are all playing, plus The Walking Dead is back. That’s should be fun. Talk about any of that stuff plus more here. Go nuts.

Oh, the spam filter is still acting up. Don’t freak out if your comment doesn’t show up right away.

Categories : Open Thread
  • trr

    all shovelled out; waiting for spring training. Meanwhile there’s the return of The Walking Dead Tonight…

  • MannyGeee

    We are apparently expecting another dumping if snow next weekend. That sucks in the biggest way possible. Officially had an assfull of snow.

    • RetroRob

      What? What day? I’m supposed to fly out of town this Friday. I may move my flight if it’s another Friday storm.

      • MannyGeee

        Sat Night into Sunday, looks like nothing, but then again so was #NemoStormPocolypse…

    • Pat D

      Where you seeing this? It’s one thing to have a quiz cancelled and get an A- for it at a slightly lesser weight. But to miss more class time and not get your take home midterm? Probably more severe.

    • Mickey Scheister

      I just bought an AR-15 at a gun show in GA. Daniels Defense, shoots well. I picked up six 30 round mags, looking for a 100 round drum, for home protection.

      • Barry

        epic/fail

      • jjyank

        …..what?

        • Pat D

          I’m assuming reply fail. Think maybe it was meant in reply to forensic’s comment.

          • Barry

            I felt like he was trying to be sarcastic and make a gun control statement. Idk though it just lacked depth. Plus anyone who puts a 100rd drum on a semi-auto should clean that gun loaded.

        • Mickey Scheister

          Reply fail, yeah. ’twas in moderation for a while. But seriously, with what I do for a living, having access to several hundreds of thousand of dollars in an instant, with 100 rounds, if prepared properly, I could stop a potential home invasion, of multiple people.

          • RetroRob

            Note to self: Do not plan home invasion of Mickey Scheister, even with multiple people.

            • Cris Pengiucci

              Or at least make sure he’s not at home. With him packing that much fire power, seems like there might be something worth finding in there.

              • forensic

                Exactly. Build a block wall around your yard with barbed wire on top, lock all the rooms with guns locked in cabinets, and boom…

                you come back from vacation and your 51 guns are missing and out on the street anyway…

  • forensic

    Apparently the spam filter is not a big fan of gun safety training classes and complaining about getting out of safeco field after a game.

    I wonder how long it’ll take for my comments to show up tonight. Especially one combining those two topics. :-)

    • RetroRob

      I’ve noticed over the last day my comments go into moderation. I’m guessing there’s some issue the RAB team is aware of and will correct in time.

      • forensic

        Yeah, I know, mike mentioned it starting last nights open thread. It’s just funny that I have a comment from more than 19 hours ago still awaiting moderation in that thread.

        • RetroRob

          That one sounds lost!

    • Barry

      Just saw your response actually. If your statement was meant to be pro-gun control all I have to say is, for every 1 person that does something stupid with a gun there are probably 9,999 people that don’t do anything stupid. Guns are fine by me, can’t punish everyone for the acts of a few.

      • Pat D

        Not trying to stir up a shit storm here (honest!), but the Patriot Act disagrees with that summation.

        • jjyank

          And so do I. Though I’m not real cool with the Patriot Act.

          • Pat D

            I’m not exactly sure what you mean. I wasn’t trying to defend the Patriot Act, if that’s what you thought.

            • Barry

              I’m a libertarian, so that’s all you need to know about my stance on any of this crap. The patriot act created a precedent that can never be undone.

            • jjyank

              I’m pro gun control. I don’t want to “take guns away”, but it should be a hell of a lot harder to get a gun, and a lot more oversight for who gets one. Oh, and the ATF should be legally allowed to have a fucking database to track purchases (I hate the NRA with a passion). I don’t believe the home protection bullshit, or the defend against tyranny bullshit. And assault riffles are not necessary for hunting. Sooooo…

              /end mini-rant

              • Pat D

                Yea, all of this.

              • Barry

                Assualt rifle is just the wrong term though. You can’t buy an m16a4 like the army has, or an m16a3 like the marines. They are basically just shoot as fast as you can pull the trigger, like a pistol with a long barrel. You could for a short time but not anymore. But a bolt action rifle firing a large round is infinitely more accurate and more deadly than an assualt rifle.

                • jjyank

                  I don’t really care. Not much you can say to make me pro-gun of any sort.

                  • Barry

                    I don’t intend to, but the solution isn’t to take away the tool. We need to find a solution or way to prevent these things on a human level. If you take away guns you won’t end massacres. Our country does have it’s independence because we had guns.. and they are an integral part of our society, like it or not. I personally don’t own a gun so it’s not like I’m a card carrying member of the NRA.

                    • jjyank

                      Not what I said. To quote myself literally two comments up:

                      “I don’t want to ‘take guns away’”.

              • This Guy

                In the end, databases and background checks don’t really matter because violent criminals will subvert them regardless. Not to mention the tens of millions dollars needed to support such a venture or the invasion of citizens’ personal privacy.

                • Travis L.

                  Its not an invasion of someone’s privacy to have to register a firearm. If you want a car, you have to register it or it’s illegal. Who thinks registering a car is an invasion of someone’s privacy? No one. I’m a cop. I have guns. I’m an honest citizen who doesnt break the law and I would have no problem registering my guns as long as I get to keep them. I also believe that a law abiding citizen, has no need for an AK47 rifle. One well placed .22 round can have the same killing effect as one (or several) AK47 rounds. AKs are NOT NEEDED FOR HOME PROTECTION.

                  /end mini rant as well.

                  P.S. I’m a member for NRA, but am not as psycho crazy into guns as most of them.

                  • waneditor

                    Travis,

                    Thanks for sanity check.

      • forensic

        My comment isn’t really about pro or anti gun control. It’s simply about being anti-stupidity.

        And as for your 1-9999 assertion, you are completely wrong. There likely are more responsible legal gun owners than irresponsible, but there are also plenty more illegal gun ‘owners’ out there that need to be taken into account.

        • Barry

          Just because a gun is illegal doesn’t mean people are using them in ways that endanger others.. I know plenty of people with illegal guns, specifically fully automatic ak-47s and saiga shotguns.. they don’t do anything wrong with them.

          • jjyank

            And they also shouldn’t have them. At all.

            • Barry

              Yeah but that’s just your opinion. Again if they aren’t hurting anyone then what is the harm? You could just as easily hurt 30 people with a couple gallons of gasoline or propane as you could an automatic weapon. The problem isn’t the gun, it’s the person using it. I’m not sure what the solution is or if we’ll ever find it, but humans doing terrible things seems to be something in our genetics.. we have both the capability to do inspiringly beautiful acts as well as equally terrifying haneous acts.

              • jjyank

                No, I don’t think it’s okay for anyone to have any illegal weapons. I don’t take you seriously if you argue otherwise.

                • Barry

                  There are plenty of illegal things far more wide-spread than guns. They outlawed them and have been spending tons of money in a losing fight ever since.

                  • jjyank

                    Saying that other things are also widespread and illegal doesn’t help your argument. Two wrongs don’t make a right.

                    • Barry

                      It absolutely does. Drugs were much less of a criminal problem in the early 1900s when they were legal. Now they’re illegal and extremely dangerous people are doing extremely terrible things because of the money involved. Look at Mexico. We have organizations much worse than an muslim terrorist group just south of our border. That whole country is on the verge ofcollapse and chaos and illegal drugs are fueling it. To me it is a valid similar situation. Government control isn’t always and in fact is rarely the solution.

                    • Barry

                      Also, am glad we are at least being civil in our debate for once haha.

                    • Pat D

                      I agree with you about drugs, but I’m not sure drugs = guns in this case.

                      In and of themselves, drugs can only hurt the person using them. Sure there can be plenty of direct and indirect consequences, but they can’t be used to injure others in the way that a gun can.

                    • jjyank

                      I don’t see the comparison. Drug problems generally hurt you, gun problems generally hurt others. Apples and oranges.

                    • Barry

                      If you really think drug problems only hurt the user you really need to look more deeply into the subject.

                    • jjyank

                      More so than guns, hell yes.

                • This Guy

                  Illegal weapons are against the law, period; however harsher laws will only hurt innocent person’s chances at protecting themselves against these people. Unless you believe you can rely on the cops to protect you…

          • forensic

            I’m not talking about that. Owners was in quotes because I’m talking about the people who have guns who shouldn’t for any myriad of reasons.

            Shit happens sometimes, good people always suffer because of the actions of the possibly lesser bad people. It happens in all walks and facets of life and this is no different (other than that it may be on a higher plane than a lot of things because this costs people their lives).

            • Barry

              I see what you’re saying. This could be part of the human solution I think we need. You want a gun, then submit to some type of personality/psych test. It’s such a complicated issue :(. As 2pac said “we need to find peace and end the war on the streets.” lol

      • Nutty the Squirrel

        Hence my stance on death penalty.

        For every person that’s innocent, there are probably 9999 people that is guilty and should just die, instead of waiting on death roll for 20 years and wasting tax dollars.

        • jjyank

          I’m not sure if you’re pro or anti death row. You say they should die, which implies pro death penalty, but also imply that waiting on death row is bad.

          For the record, I think the death penalty is fucking stupid.

          • Barry

            I’m tossed on the death penalty. There are some people who are just so sick that there’s no hope of any change or rehabilitation. And there are some crimes so haneous that there is no way to ever trully punish them.
            The prison system is broken though. It just doesn’t work.

            • Pat D

              Yea, I’m ambivalent on the death penalty. On one hand, I don’t believe it’s a deterrent. On the other hand, I tend to have that “Yes, they deserve to die and I hope they burn in hell!” attitude to certain perpetrators.

              And then once again on the other hand, while I still generally call myself atheist, I’m willing to accept there could be a higher power and if there is, that’s the ultimate judgment, isn’t it? Which is why I’ve always found it ironic how there seems to be a lot of highly “faithful” people who support the death penalty.

              • Barry

                Yeah, I went to Catholic school my whole life and I have to admit this was a pretty common topic in religion class. The death penalty seems to be at once the ultimate punishment and the ultimate show of mercy; to me anyways. There’s just no real way to punish those who do such horrible things. It’s also hard not to have compassion, I tend to have a lot of it. I feel bad for people that do terrible things, how could your life have been so bad coming up in such a terrific place(for Americans)? We just aren’t perfect no matter how hard we try I suppose.

            • jjyank

              “There are some people who are just so sick that there’s no hope of any change or rehabilitation. And there are some crimes so haneous that there is no way to ever trully punish them.”

              Yes. And it is cheaper to just jail them for life than it is to put them on death row. Not to mention that America is like, the only first world country to still do that bullshit. Also, there’s this: http://www.innocenceproject.or.....enalty.php

              • Barry

                I’ll try to check that link after the dead lol. I don’t think money should be an issue though. Human life can’t have a value to me, I consider it precious.

                • jjyank

                  It’s more expensive to kill someone. If you consider life so precious, shouldn’t the monetary bonus be a perk?

                  • Barry

                    No I meant that money shouldn’t be an issue in the debate. It’s our job as a society to pay society’s bills either way.

                    • jjyank

                      But it is an issue. It’s a huge issue. If you want to oppose the death penalty for moral grounds, fine. But there is a big economic issue as well. That can’t be ignored because you don’t like it. It exists.

                    • Barry

                      Comparatively speaking, death row inmates do not cost nearly as much as general population inmates. You’re talking about a per-prisoner cost when the only reason that the death row inmate is more expensive is because he is in solitary, under constant supervision, and is occupying one cell alone. They’re but a fraction of the correction system’s ~8 million inmates and parollees/probation-ees.
                      Penny wise and dollar foolish.

                    • jjyank

                      You’re not factoring in the appeals process.

                    • Travis L.

                      As far as it being more expensive to put someone to death vs. keep them on death row, I’d argue that a single bullet would be cheaper than keeping them on death row, or in prison for life. I dont want to pay for someone to live in prison (3 meals a day, free housing, free workouts, tv, books, education, gang friendship) while we have homeless who could use those things (with exception to the gang thing). A bullet would be barbaric…understood. Its also cheap and eliminates cost and a problem. Charles Manson would be an example of a candidate. Jeffrey Dahmer would have qualified as well.

              • Nutty the Squirrel

                It’s cheaper because they don’t get a swift death. Yeah you feed a guy twenty years and then get some high tech crap to make sure they die “humanely”, hell yeah it’s more expensive.

                Besides, you’re feeding them for 20 years and lots of them are basically dead inside. Whether you believe what Shawshank Redemption says, they are out of touch with real life and will be a big drag on society. They killed, so why should they be treated like they are decent people?

  • Mickey Scheister

    Love that 4 strike-out ninth by Kimbrel, also over 100Ks in 50 some innings is straight video game stuff. It makes me wanna crack open 2kwhatever and dominate on a rainy Sunday…BUT WAIT…the Walking Dead returns TONIGHT! YES!

    • Barry

      I know I’m pretty excited. Only wish the seasons were longer and not split in half…

      • jjyank

        I actually love that. Season finales are always the best, so this way, it’s like we get two finales per season. The wait sucks, but it’s worth it IMO.

        • Barry

          Yeah but it’s never really a true season finale, it’s just a wait to finish the chapter instead of the conclusion of one chapter and then another. I’d rather have them all straight up like my favorite show, Sons of Anarchy. Sons, Breaking Bad, and Walking Dead really are the pinnacle of excellent tv. Better than most the crap of the past 15 years.

          I do enjoy shorter waits though so you’re right there. Wish there were 52 episodes a year. /addictive personality

          • jjyank

            Yeah, but I feel like some of those crazy episodes wouldn’t be so crazy if they weren’t billed as midseason finales. Like when Shane opened the barn and shot all the walkers on the farm (mid season finale) and the most recent one where they infiltrated Woodbury. I suppose they could have done those episodes in succession, but I think part of the reason that those were off the hook was because they were “finales”.

            • Barry

              Yeah but if they were in succession I don’t think it would ruin the experience.. They do it for ratings imo, like right now every fan is watching the repeat leading to the new episode, you have to to refresh your memory haha. I definetly am just happy to have excellent TV to watch.

              • jjyank

                I don’t think it would ruin it either, if everything ran together. I’m saying that if those episodes were not “finales”, they may not have made that single episode as intense. Maybe spread it over a couple episodes or something. But they pack all that action into one episode because it’s a finale. Historically, TV shows always save the craziest shit for finales, so I’m cool with having two of those per season.

                • Barry

                  Yeah I like how almost every episode is awesome though so there’s not much to complain about. Also enjoy the constant changest in speed.

  • Now Batting

    @ 3:42, I wonder what they’re talking about

  • jram

    All things considered (legacy, talent level, etc), would you trade Mo for Kimbrel right now?

    • RetroRob

      Yes.

      It would be painful, but yes.

    • DERP

      Easy yes for me

    • MannyGeee

      Well… thats a tough one for me. I remember Eric Gagne being nasty like that but fizzling out in about 20 seconds. Gagne in LA was a beast. (Arm) injuries to a closer can be a bitch…

      I would rather go with MO in his swan song over the dice roll of Kimbrall. The evil you know, dude…

      • jjyank

        Agreed. That very well be my bias talking (actually, I’m almost positive that it is), but fuck it. Like you said, Kimbrel could blow his career in April of this year. Mo is a robot. I am going to take the robot.

        • MannyGeee

          Never bet against the guy who’s been lights out in the past three decades. Mariano Rivera was throwing gas when Kimbrel was in diapers.

        • Now Batting

          A 42 year old robot who is coming back from a blown out knee. If you’re picking with your head and not your heart it’s Kimbrel in a landslide.

          • https://twitter.com/MattMontero1 matt montero

            I wouldn’t say a landslide. I would pick Kimbrel too, mostly because we haven’t seen Mo yet since surgery. He’s one of a kind though, there hasn’t been a reliever with such an extended stretch of success. Like a few people said, Kimbrel could lose it like Gagne (or be on PEDs like Gagne), not that Mo couldn’t look terrible.

            • forensic

              I don’t care if he blows up like Gagne or what. It’s weighing the risks on the two sides.

              You’re trading likely 1 year of a 43 year old coming off a major knee injury, even though he’s the greatest of all-time, for a not yet 25 year old with 4 years of control left coming off of 2+ absolutely dominant seasons, including the last one which, for what it’s worth, had a better WHIP, ERA+, and K/9 than any one season that Mo has had.

              Even considering Mo’s place in Yankees history, I absolutely make that trade. Babe Ruth played with the Boston Braves his last year. Yogi Berra played with the Mets even after managing a year. Does that lessen their legacies with the Yankees now? Not a bit.

    • forensic

      I absolutely would.

    • Bob Buttons

      No.
      Obvious reasons like major fan backlash aside, I’d rather have a known entity than a guy who could flame up any minute (granted, it’s not like Mo will never flame up, but I don’t think I need to explain more on that)
      He still instills fear in hitters, they often give up the platoon advantage while batting against him.

      I mean, sure, Kimbrel will probably gives us a few more years of awesomeness, but to look back 20, 30 years later, that extra couple of years is much insignificant compared to that one giant blemish that says “Mariano Rivera, Yankees (1995-2012) Braves (2013-?)” on webpages. I for one, still find it a bit painful to see Mets under Berra’s name and Senators under Lefty Gomez’s name.

      Besides, there’s no guarantee that Kimbrel will outperform Mo. That .250 BABIP and 1.01 ERA is very unsustainable. I’d even take Mo if only players themselves are considered.

    • Ted Nelson

      On the field, definitely. Kimbrel is just shy of 25 years old, pre-arb, and coming off back-to-back 3 fWAR seasons. Mo is more than likely hanging them up in one year. Kimbrel at least has a shot at providing some value beyond 2013 (a pretty damn good chance, really). As much as I believe in him, Mo could get injured in 2013 about as easily as Kimbrel.

      I have no idea what all the PR implications are, though.

  • OldYanksFan

    “Hairston’s deal is for two years, but other terms were not disclosed by the team. According to a source, the deal is worth $5 million.”

    2/$5m?
    That’s it?
    He went to THE CUBS!!!!! instead of the Yankees for 2/$5m?????

    Did Cashman make him an offer?

    • Barry

      Reliving the past are we?

    • MannyGeee

      We assume he did… But we also assume you would have read the “Official Seasons Over Because The Yankees Didn’t Sign Scott Hairston” threads from a month ago..

    • Bob Buttons

      *cough* playing *cough * time *oough*

      • Laz

        I think you might be sick there.

        • Bob Buttons

          I got sick from looking at all the snow.

    • RetroRob

      Even if Cashman offered equal money it would not have been an equal offer.

      He’ll get more playing time with the Cubs. Yes, that’s more important to someone like Hairston.

  • Mister D

    Odds we’ll be saying “remember Craig Kimbrel, he was awesome” in 2017? Has to be 50/50, right?

    • Barry

      20/80. Just to be negative.

    • MannyGeee

      50/50 sounds about right.

      It’s a fickle fickle life, the late inning relief pitcher.

      • Barry

        Why I said 20/80. Rarely do RPs have the longevity or greatness of the one we call MO.

        • Ted Nelson

          Rarely do RPs put up two straight 3 fWAR seasons in their only two full seasons before turning 25, though.

          I don’t know if the odds are any better than 50/50, but at the same time I think they are significantly better than the average RP coming off a strong year. He’s in an elite territory.

          • Barry

            true true. I think elite for one season is also less memorable than elite for a career.

          • Mister D

            Numbers don’t matter when it comes to durability.

            • Ted Nelson

              Not all RP attrition is due to injury. A lot of RPs just get hot for a year or three (sometimes not until their 30s) and then flame out.

          • Mister D

            (Also, over the past 30 years is “never”, not rarely, if you use fWAR. The closest was Dibble. Who is a very good and very bad comp in this regard.)

            • Ted Nelson

              Once in 30 years is what we English speakers call “rare.”

              • Mister D

                And never in 30 years, because Dibble didn’t qualify using your parameters, is what we English speakers call “never”.

                • Ted Nelson

                  What were Kimbrel’s fWARs his first two years? Over 3. So, yeah it has happened once.

                  • Mister D

                    Oh. So you were saying “Kimbrel accomplished a feat so rare its only been accomplished once, and that was by Kimbrel when he just accomplished it. And since Kimbrel accomplished a feat only accomplished by Kimbrel and Kimbrel is not hurt, his odds of being hurt are lessened.” Gotcha. My mistake.

  • Pat D

    Screw The Walking Dead.

    That is all.

    • jjyank

      Screw you.

      That is (maybe) all.

      • Pat D

        You wanna take this outside????

        • jjyank

          *throws gauntlet*

          • Barry

            I’m with jjyank for once. Gather a posse!

            • jjyank

              You’re not in my posse. Sorry Barry.

              If anything, Pat is in my posse. ROVP UNITE.

              • MannyGeee

                Funny thing that ROVP…

                • Pat D

                  Damn bunch of post-hijacking lobbyists.

                  • jjyank

                    *cackles in a dark corner*

                    • Barry

                      Sometimes even enemies make an alliance jj! Russia and the west in ww2 come to mind.

                    • jjyank

                      And then the Cold War happens.

                    • Barry

                      We’ll work to prevent that.

              • Pat D

                Just so long as it isn’t this posse. Very NSFW.

                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2yE0xEwhY0

                • Barry

                  HA! This movie was awesome btw, if anyone hasn’t seen it, do it. Very enjoyable and most memorable movie I’ve seen in a while, and I’m at the theatre like at least twice a month.

          • Pat D
  • turd surfer

    King Felix waited a little too long. Maybe.

    • RetroRob

      I saw that. Be curious what happens to that proposed contract now.

      Buster Olney mentioned this the other day: As Felix has been one of the best in baseball, his average fastball velocity 2007-2012: 96.3 mph, 94.5, 93.8, 94.4, 93.4, 92.4.

      For comparison, that’s only .4 better than Phil Hughes. Their peak velocities were also similar last year. Yet Hughes’ average and peak velocity today is pretty much the same as it was in 2007. Another Yankee, Sabathia, is down only about one mile in both average and peak velocity since 2007.

      A RH’d pitcher can be quite good sitting around 92 when he has movement, command and the secondary pitches that King Felix has, something that separates him from Hughes. Yet if he drops yet another two mph (as he has the last two years) and is down around 90, he will be quite vulnerable. A lefty like Sabathia can live, and even thrive at 90. Righties much less so.

      I’d be concerned if the Yankees were trying to sign this contract based on his decreasing velocity, workload and now the reported elbow issue.

  • MannyGeee

    Sooooo… dice K getting a shot in Cleveland, huh. Is Tito just trying to collect everyone that The Old Guard shit on in Boston?

    #CurtSchillingispackinghisbags

    • Ted Nelson

      Dice-K fits pretty well with their off-season moves: Giambi, Kazmir, Raburn, Myers, and Reynolds are also (differing degrees of) low-risk, decent upside vets they brought in.

      • Bob Buttons

        Problem is that most of them are on short term deals and they just dealt their star OF away for a guy who barely pitched in the majors and possibly a dick, and two relievers.

        A lot of people are confused about what direction they are going.

        • Ted Nelson

          That’s not really relevant to what I said. I was commenting on the idea brought up that Dice-K is part of some attempt by Tito to bring in Red Sox.

          They traded one year of Choo for a top P prospect and then signed Swisher to replace Choo… I don’t see how that is confusing.

          • Bob Buttons

            Getting “low-risk, decent upside vets” is pretty much useless if you are a rebuilding team, hence the relevancy.

            As for confused, well, what they gained this off-season is nowhere good enough to contend for the AL central (or just against the Tigers). And again, Bauer is apparently dickish enough to get traded for a lefty reliever, a 1B they DFA’d and already lost, and a “top” shortstop who is all glove no bat at the moment. Their rotation is mediocre at best, their bullpen ain’t exactly great either, and they got holes at DH and in CF. Sure, our lineup last year wasn’t great either but I’ll be flabbergasted if some sane being would take ’13 Indians pitching over ’12 Yankees pitching

            • Ted Nelson

              You don’t have to either be rebuilding or all-in. There’s a huge middle ground that most teams are in. The Indians are not “re-building” in any meaningful sense. They traded their top two P prospects a couple of years back to try to win now. They are still trying to win now, but not just in 2013. They’re probably failing, but they’re trying.

              The games are played on the field. They’re trying to compete with the Tigers, who won all of 88 games last season with a very similar team. That they’re trying doesn’t mean they will succeed. There is still revenue to be made from contending for the playoffs, even if you don’t make it. A lot of fans look at it as all or nothing, but that is not the financial reality of the situation.

              A lot of MLB players are probably dicks. If they perform, who cares?

              “Sure, our lineup last year wasn’t great either but I’ll be flabbergasted if some sane being would take ’13 Indians pitching over ’12 Yankees pitching”

              I have no idea what this means. The Yankees’ line-up was second best in baseball last season, and I don’t understand what that has to do with pitching.

      • MannyGeee

        this the same team that paid market money for Swisher and offered Youk $18M? those are not the “low-risk, decent upside vets’ of which you speak.

        • Ted Nelson

          They offered Youk $18 mill over TWO seasons. Getting a top 10 3B for under $9 mill per is not a huge risk relative to many FA signings. Of course, they didn’t actually sign Youk.

          I listed 5 guys they signed this year that fit a similar mold to Dice-K, and you want to argue that he doesn’t fit that mold because they signed one other higher profile guy?

  • Dalek Jeter (formerly: Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM))

    There are three types of opinions about The Walking Dead:

    1. The people that just hate it because of reasons
    2. The people that just overtly love it
    3. The people who realize how great it could be, and finally feel like it’s starting to live up to that potential.

    I’m in the third category…it could be the best show on telivision, and it’s getting better. They just have to do a better job of tightening up the pacing…and do things that must be done, because it happened in the source material, and all of you just watching the show need to deal with this sadness.

    • Pat D

      I guess I’m #1. I’ve never watched it, nor intend to, because I just really hate the zombie genre.

      And before anyone tries to criticize me, yes, I have seen the original Night of the Living Dead.

      • Barry

        This is so much more than just zombies. Acting, cinematography, writing, all exceptional.

        • Dalek Jeter (formerly: Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM))

          Acting and cinematography are both exceptional…the writing is ok-good.

        • Herby

          The word exceptional gets tossed around too easily

      • Mike HC

        Yea, I’ve never watched it either. But when it comes to TV, I basically stick to comedy only (Curb Your Enthusiasm, Californication, It’s Always Sunny, The League). Can’t seem to get into the drama’s that everyone loves and swears by (Dexter, Walking Dead, Breaking Bad etc …)

      • Bob Buttons

        Don’t blame you. I generally hate zombie stuff because I’ve had too many nightmares about stuck between two hordes of zombies.

        Never got to the part where I get chewed up or mauled yet but wouldn’t do any harm by skipping over the stuff.

    • Herby

      It could be great, but some of the writing and plot development absolutely sucks. I swear I want to see that kid with the stupid hat get taken down a few notches too. It’s a great idea, could be fantastic, but so many times it just leaves you with…Oh Really, you didn’t go there, moments.

    • RetroRob

      I’d be #4: Those who intend to watch Walking Dead, but have yet to do so.

  • Mike HC

    I was reading an article about an issue with Felix Hernandez’s elbow and how it might hold up his new extension, and came across this line, “For example, in the extension that CC Sabathia negotiated with the Yankees 16 months ago, language was added to protect the team against a shoulder injury before the end of the deal.”

    I don’t know if this was mentioned before and I just forgot about it, but I found that interesting. I guess if he goes down with a bad elbow, we are fucked, but a bad shoulder, we are still fucked but the Steinbrenners get some money back.

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_.....ource-says

    • Bob Buttons

      http://espn.go.com/new-york/ml.....-122m-deal

      Not too fucked. The last year of the deal is officially an option that wouldn’t vest if his pitching shoulder is busted or something like that, so he’d be off the team if that happens.

      • Mike HC

        True. I’m starting to vaguely remember this now when it went down.

        “Sabathia, who also retains a hotel suite on trips” … How many people on the Yanks get their own Suite? Is Jeter sharing a room with ARod or something?

        • MannyGeee

          25 players, 25 siutes…

          well, 22. i am relatively convinced Eppley & Rapada had to bunk together and Boone is a ‘sleep in the bus’ sort of guy.

          • Mike HC

            haha … And Joba probably just pitches a tent outside the hotel.

            • Bob Buttons

              Nah I think he has to share the tent with an anti-trampoline lobbyist.

              • Mike HC

                First they try to take away our guns. Then they will come for our trampolines.

    • RetroRob

      There’s a big difference, though, in what drove the wording in Sabathia’s contract and what’s being discussed about Hernandez.

      Sabathia doesn’t have a left shoulder issue. The language is there as it relates to a vesting option in 2017. CC has four years remaining on his deal. The Yankees will add of 5th year if CC is healthy after 2016, but they don’t know what shape CC’s left shoulder will be in 2017, so they put some protective language in the contract as it relates to if he develops a shoulder problem.

      In King Felix’s case, they’re already seeing something in his elbow they don’t like, two years before the new deal would kick in. And as I noted above, King Felix is already showing some significant decrease in velocity. It sure as heck would give me pause if I was about to sign a pitcher to a $175M deal.

  • Dalek Jeter (formerly: Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM))

    Remember that time Mitch Williams served up a World Series winning walk off homer…good times, good times.

    • MannyGeee

      I wish he would just disappear

      • Pat D

        That can be arranged.

  • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

    So I just came back from Spamelot. That show is fucking hysterical.

    Meanwhile, in regards to the show we’re trying to put on, amazingly enough a woman who represents the company “Tastefully Simple” just randomly contacted us and asked if she could do a fundraiser for us. AND we got my old HS to (probably) let us use their theater. It has 800 seats and a lighting and sound system already set up.

    Things are starting to come together.

    • Pat D

      Good to hear!

  • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

    The Sly Cooper games are seriously some of the most underrated games ever. All 4 games (only partly through 4 but it’s shaping up to be great) are amazing.

    Sly 2: Band of Thieves is honestly one of the best platformers of all time, and people don’t realize how innovative the original Sly Cooper was. Sly Cooper was the first platformer game with timer challenges, and it’s one of the only video game series that still uses cel-shading for its animation, as well as the first major series to use that as its typical art style.

    Couple that with the great writing (Band of Thieves has some surprisingly shocking plot twists, and great dialogue) and it’s a crime that they’re not more popular than they are.

    • jesse

      Yeah, I really enjoyed the Sly Cooper games myself when I was younger. One of these days I’ll have to go out and get a PS3 just to play the fourth one.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      I remember liking #2. Right in my comfort zone as far as games go.

      Better than Jak 2 or Beyond Good and Evil, though? Hmmm. Spyro 2 & 3 on the PS1? Rachet & Clank, other than the one weird squad-based game? Not so sure.

      My interest in video games flatlined with the fall of the platform game.

      • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

        Never liked the Spyro games. Part of it does come from the fact that they’re PS1 too.

        Beyond Good and Evil I’ve never played. As for the Jak and Daxter games, I always found them overrated. I sort of half-tried them to see if my interest held up and it never did. I never found the writing to be as good as the Sly games.

        Sly 2 is a fucking GREAT game, so underrated. Gameplay aside, the hub worlds are works of art-Rajan, the Contessa, and Jean-Bison’s hub worlds are all spectcular. As for game play, Sly 2 was basically the (already great) original on steroids. Controls are phenomenal, minigames are great, levels are creative…it’s one of the only games, and only game franchises, I rank near the Portal games.

      • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

        …By the way, if you’re still interested in old-school platformers, get Sly 4. It’s a bargain right now at 40 dollars and it’s a classic, old-school platformer. Typical Sly with better, updated graphics (still uses cel-shading though, which I approve of).

        It got a 75 on MetaCritic but if you read the reviews you’ll see that the only reason it didn’t get any higher was BECAUSE it was so old-school. People wanted it to get updated for the new system. I like my Sly Cooper games classic. We’re reaching the point very soon where the Sly Cooper games will be praised BECAUSE they kept things classic. Gaming is moving pretty fast nowadays.

        I think they did the right thing-made some small but cool improvements and updated the graphics but still kept the classic Sly gameplay. I very much approve, at least through the first hub.

  • RetroRob

    Just a reminder that it’s always good to be a Yankee, something Derek Jeter knows.

    Babe in the background no doubt thinking, “You talk to them Biscuit Pants, but they’re leaving with me!”

    http://24.media.tumblr.com/tum.....o1_500.jpg

  • forensic

    Ok, I get it, not everything is always easily fixed, but that’s quite enough of this ‘wonky spam filter’.

    I don’t know if it’s because of my location or what, but it’s absurd that this site is basically unusable overnight for many because of this.

    Mike does a fantastic job with this site, even after apparently being nearly abandoned by his original two compadres (though I REALLY miss the different opinions we’d get rather than the same one all the time), but if this is going to be billed as a big-time site, which it is, then ‘wonky spam filter’ issues can’t almost shut it down overnight while comments are ‘waiting for moderation’.

    Almost 3 hours ago I wrote a reply to the Mo/Kimbrel string, which was Pulitzer worthy, and it’s still invisible while some other posts somehow continue going on.

    I have no idea when anyone will even see this comment, so consider this me just getting some frustration out…

    /endrant

    • Pat D

      I saw this.

    • RetroRob

      Well you can withhold your monthly fee. : -)

      My guess is Mike (or someone on the RAB staff) has to physically free the notes that go into moderation, which means once they go to bed, the postings end. The fact the problem popped up on the weekend no doubt didn’t help. My guess it’ll be fixed with the arrival of the new work week.

      All minor stuff, and I’m quite sure they’re not happy about it either.

  • forensic

    Not that anyone will ever see this being that I’m apparently on the no-comment list of the RAB filter, but Bill James may be brilliant and all, but he is just painful listening/watching him on TV.

    Dear Red Sox,

    Please keep him more securely in your basement.

    Thank you!

    • Pat D

      I saw this too!

      I only caught him on MLBN at the very tail end of a segment and don’t remember what he said or if I actually heard him. I actually wish the Red Sox would release him so he could do another edition of his Historical Baseball Abstract. I’d be interested to see how his player rankings have changed in the 12 years since the last version.

      That, and he’d have to entirely re-write his Pete Rose section. :)

      • RetroRob

        I was not happy when the Red Sox hired James about a decade back. I was afraid he might help them get better (he did); I was annoyed he went to the Yankees’ division rival; but most of all, I was upset that his contract with the Red Sox prevented him from publishing whatever he was working on, because it was basically owned by the Red Sox.

        There was a glimmer of hope a few years back when he announced he was reducing his involvement with the Red Sox, serving more as an outside consultant. It wasn’t directly said, but clearly there was some issue going on with the Red Sox and James that became a little clearer about a year later with the front office and club house chaos. Unfortunately, this year James once again returned fulltime to the Red Sox.

        Yeah, he’s never been good on camera. He also assumes knowledge of certain topics when he’s speaking. There are two things that seperate James from the sabermetric crowd that he basically created. He still has a unique way of looking at situations compared to many in the advanced analysis community. Second, he’s a very strong writer. He can explain better, sometimes in very few words. The written James is much clearer than the spoken James.