Tuesday Night Open Thread


Color video of Mickey Mantle’s 500th career homer? That’s pretty sweet. Gotta love the internet. Anyway, here is your open thread for the evening. The Nets and all three hockey locals are in action tonight, so talk about either of those games or anything else here. Go nuts.

Categories : Open Thread


  1. Dalek Jeter (formerly: Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)) says:

    Shit news about Chris Carpenter for the Cards, huh?

    • Manny's BanWagon (formerly Andy Pettitte's Fibula) says:

      Such a shame because he’s one hell of a pitcher.

      • jjyank says:

        Yeah, it was fun watching him throw the Cards on his back to win the Series in 2011. Wainwright was out the whole year and he stepped up. IIRC, he pitched through shoulder discomfort in the playoffs too.

    • Mike Axisa says:

      He’s owed $12M, is physically unable to pitch, and won’t officially retire so he can collect the money. Yet people think A-Rod ($114M) will retire due to the hip injury. lol

      • Robinson Tilapia says:

        I’d say apples, oranges, and I’m going to choke the man myself if he sticks around to collect the money.

        • trr says:

          Better keep those fingers limber Robbie… Only way out will be for the Yanks to give him his outright release, in which case we’d still be on the hook, and still have the $$$ count against the salary cap.

          He is a millstone around our collective neck!

      • Dalek Jeter (formerly: Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)) says:

        Ha, I know for a fact that I wouldn’t.

        • Robinson Tilapia says:

          You don’t already have more money than you and everyone you know would know what to do with and, if you do, I don’t live THAT far from you.

          • Dalek Jeter (formerly: Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)) says:

            Even if I did…still wouldn’t retire lol.

            • Robinson Tilapia says:

              Protestant work ethic never makes for good RAB comment fodder :), but I sure as fuck would if I had that man’s money and was going to do nothing to earn what’s left.

              That’s just me, though.

              • Jacob The OG (formerly Jacob) says:

                I also do believe I would retire, but that is what I say now and I guess I could think differently then

              • Preston says:

                I’m sorry, and I don’t mean this to be personal. But that’s kind of silly. The Yankees signed the deal. You’re legally entitled to the money. Why on earth would you give it back to the Yankees? If you don’t want it because of some moral quandary give it to charity. Why would you give it back to a multi-billion dollar corporation? I admit that the fan in me would like the Yankees to have the cap flexibility. But there really isn’t the best way A-Rod could use the money.

                • Havok9120 says:

                  I know it’s silly. I just prefer to earn the money I get. Same way I’m already paying my parents back all the money they’re on the hook for for college even though they’ve told me not to bother.

                  How long I’ll be able to keep that up is another matter, but for now I’m doing it.

                  • Preston says:

                    I think that because of the way sports contracts work that players think that they earned their contracts already. In his first six seasons Alex earned his 250 million dollar deal, and then in his next seven he earned the 275. And again, it’s not paying back your parents. It’s giving money to a multi-billion dollar corporation.

                    • Havok9120 says:

                      Which is the same principle as far as I’m concerned. It’s not my money. I’m not more likely to take money I haven’t earned from a huge company than I am some guy living below the poverty line just because they’ve GOT more money.

                • Robinson Tilapia says:

                  Just saw this now. It’s all good. That’s you, and that’s what you’d do. I’m just speaking for myself there.

              • Havok9120 says:

                I’d do the same UNLESS I had some idea for the money. Such as, perhaps, being in an ownership group 20 years down the line.

                • Cris Pengiucci says:

                  I think it also depends on what you’re required to do to collect the money. If I’m free to do whatever I want (no rehab requirements, can travel with the team or not based on my decisions, etc.) I’d be more inclined to collect the money. If there are stipulations on what I can and can’t do while under contract, I’d be more inclined to retire, depending on the exact stipulations.

              • LK says:

                Not to make this personal or anything, but none of us have ever had the chance to turn down over $100M, and I would submit that none of us can know with any certainty how we would react no matter how much we’d like to think otherwise.

                • Havok9120 says:

                  No, we can’t know with certainty. I can only speak with certainty on a significantly smaller scale.

                  Nonetheless, I’ll happily stand by what I said.

                  • LK says:

                    I like to think that I’d turn the money down too. I just don’t think I’m in a position to hurl criticism at A-Rod or Carpenter or whoever for not doing so. Once you add a few zeros to the sum you’re giving up I can imagine it probably changes things.

                    • Havok9120 says:

                      Oh, no. I’ll understand whatever either of them decide to do and won’t hold it against them. It’s legally theirs.

    • Robinson Tilapia says:

      Brandon Webb may sadden me more just because he’s done, AFTER multiple comeback attempts, at age 33.

    • wolfgang's Fault says:

      Screw Carpenter; it was great seeing that clip of Mickey going yard for 500 in that video. I was 11 years old, & home watching that game on PIX. Stu Miller was pitching in relief for the world champion Baltimore Orioles & his repertoire was slow, slower, & slowest, which made him difficult to hit in his prime. As the video clearly demonstrates, Mickey was pretty broken down by this time, w/wobbly pins & pitchers were constantly moving him around in the box by frequently pitching him low & inside & making him jump out of the way. Couldn’t even count the times during these years where The Mick would swing & miss or foul off a pitch & you’d see him wincing from the discomfort or pain he’d just experienced.

      I remember at the time he hit this thinking how ironic that his 500th would be a relatively short shot into the LOWER deck at The Stadium as most dingers Mickey hit even during his latter down years would routinely be upper deck shots or well into the bleachers over the 407 Ft. sign in right-center field when home & still formidable tape measure shots while on the road.

      To this day, Mickey’s still my favorite player, & though a kid at the time, I still remember a relatively vital Mickey earlier in the ’60′s who was just the most charismatic exciting player I’ve ever seen. Seemed like everyone on the field, whether teammates, opposing players, or even the umpires, were in awe of him. God I miss The Mick & those early ’60′s Yankee teams so much!

  2. Dalek Jeter (formerly: Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)) says:

    I feel myself getting dumber while watching Intentional Talk. Apparently Mo won man of the year as awarded by the New York Rabbinical Community, and with that comes a 10 day tour of Israel. When Rose asked Millar “how cool is that?!” Millar had the dumbest expression on his face almost like he was thinking “What is an Israel?”

  3. Hall and Nokes says:

    I cannot think of a funnier storyline than the Yankees having to scramble because of a Cervelli suspension for PEDs. Or sadder, for those without a sense of humor.

  4. Jacob The OG (formerly Jacob) says:

    Man you can see the mick hobbling on one knee, imagine if he had two good knees for at least 3/4 of his career.

  5. Vern Sneaker says:

    The Mick. My boyhood idol.

  6. Jacob The OG (formerly Jacob) says:

    And I now officially do not believe any of this new PED stuff.

  7. Now Batting says:

    Apparently Cervelli’s name has popped up in the Biogensis records along with Braun’s. If it’s all true I can’t help but admire A-Rod’s audacity to lobby the Yankees to sign Melky.

  8. Dalek Jeter (formerly: Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)) says:

    Ryan Braun’s name is on the A-Rod list, breaking news on MLBN.

  9. Dalek Jeter (formerly: Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)) says:

    Ryan Braun’s name is on the A-Rod list, breaking news on MLBN.

    • Manny's BanWagon (formerly Andy Pettitte's Fibula) says:

      No surprise. It was obvious he took testosterone when MLB dropped the ball with the drug testing chain of custody fiasco.

      What I’m curious to see is if Selig is gonna try and suspend these guys with the evidence they’re uncovering even though none apparently failed a drug test other than Melky.

      • Jacob The OG (formerly Jacob) says:

        I don’t see how it was obvious? He had like no change in his stats besides his average. The guy hit his prime and had a great season so he automatically looks like he used PEDs?

        • Now Batting says:

          It’s obvious because he failed a drug test but got off because the handler waited over the weekend to send in the triple-sealed tamper proof container.

        • Manny's BanWagon (formerly Andy Pettitte's Fibula) says:

          It was obvious because his urine test showed super high levels of synthetic testosterone in his urine sample. The only reason he wasn’t suspended from what I recall was that the collector didn’t get it to Fed Ex in time and had to store it overnight in his house until the next day.

          Unless you think that collector intentionally tainted that sample, there’s no other reasonable explantation

          • Jacob The OG (formerly Jacob) says:

            Oh okay, I thought you meant because of his numbers. Yes I do believe Braun, I do not think he took PEDs but I am sorry for getting angry, I understand why the positive PED test convinces people.

          • Tom says:


            Folks were so focused on the sample sitting around a day or two and how that could have messed up the T/E testosterone ratios, they didn’t think to ask “How exactly did an artificial metabolite get in the urine?”

            Braun and his lawyer did a great job blurring the science on this and getting people focused on testosterone ratios and forgetting there is a second test which identifies substances. The World Anti Doping Agency came out and said the sample sitting around a day or two was a bullshit excuse

            • Havok9120 says:

              Chain of custody was a good enough legal excuse to get him off. But yeah, the nonsense story they threw up there about the test itself…oy.

            • Mike Axisa says:

              The World Anti-Doping Agency is irrelevant. The two sides collectively bargained the Joint Drug Agreement, which details the process both sides have to follow. MLB didn’t follow through on their end. They don’t get to do whatever they want.

              • Tom says:

                It’s irrelevant in terms of being able to enforce a suspension.

                It is not irrelevant in terms of interpreting the validity of the actual test results.

                I’m not suggesting he should have been suspended – MLB messed up. Sadly people confused the inability to enforce a suspension because of a procedural issue with the test results being invalid.

      • RetroRob says:

        They have no actionable evidence of yet. The newspaper has the documents, but they haven’t released them to actually verify they are real. Like most, I believe are, but if they never release them, I don’t see how MLB can suspend anyone.

        Last, in the case of Braun, the documents don’t link Braun and Cervelli to PEDs…yet.

        • Havok9120 says:

          Yeah, they’ll need other sources, at the very least, if they want to go to the mat over this stuff. I believe the drug agreement gives them the ability to issue suspensions without a failed test (well, there’s precedent for it) but they’ll need more than this even for ARod, let alone Braun and Cervelli.

  10. RetroRob says:

    Ryan Braun’s excuse gets weaker.

    I’m still happy that Robinson Cano’s name has yet to pop up, since there seems to be a greater personal connection between Cano, A-Rod and Melky.

    As for Cervelli, Austin Romine’s path to the majors just got stronger if Cervelli is suspended.

    • Manny's BanWagon (formerly Andy Pettitte's Fibula) says:

      I wouldn’t be surprised by any players name came up though I’d be extremely disappointed if either Jeter or Mariano’s names were found.

      • Jacob The OG (formerly Jacob) says:

        I would not be surprised either because it looks like this is fake IMO. Probably just a) some guy trying to screw over a lot of players b) a guy trying to sell to players hoping they would buy or c) some guy playing imaginary PED dealer

        • Andy Pettitte's Fibula says:

          You do have quite the imagination, I’ll give you that.

          • Jacob The OG (formerly Jacob) says:

            I am just exploring all possibilities, even the ones that have a 0.1% chance because I want this to be fake, for the good of baseball

            • Jim Is Bored says:

              You could argue that it should be real, for the good of baseball, to help clean it up further and prevent people from thinking all’s well the past 3-4 years.

  11. TomH says:

    How great to see Mantle hit that home run. Those who did not follow the team in the 50s and early 60s will never know what the sweetness of living was.

    • wolfgang's Fault says:

      Yeah, but the video doesn’t really do justice to how great The Mick really was in his prime, & all that despite the fact he was always less than 100% healthy throughout his career. Along w/remembering JFK as President & seeing Y.A Tittle & the NY Giants when they were still good in the early ’60′s & seeing the newborn (stillborn?) Mets play both the Giants & the Dodgers at the Polo Grounds, & just being alive at an amazing time in U.S. history, I feel really lucky to have caught the 2nd half of Mickey’s career despite the fact it included the down years following the ’64 season.

      • pounder says:

        Well said.Even the new stats geeks concur his numbers,esp. in his earlier,more sober years, surpassed most of his contempories.I always reflect on that era as the era of the ‘Golden Boy’, what with Mantle on the big stage in NY, Marilyn Monroe(definitely not a boy,but you get my drift) on the silver screen in Hollywood,JFK on the world stage. I’m not forgetting Jayne Mansfield or the rest of the ‘second city’ type of Golden Boy.

  12. Heismanziel says:

    Lance Armstrong, Deer Antlers, Anthony Bosch and Arod, Widespread soccer fixing, Super bowl Black outs, Now more Bosch Clients headlined by Braun.

    It’s been a interesting few weeks.

  13. DERP says:

    Hopeful for Braun’s sake they spelled his name incorrectly or something so he can get out of this one also.

  14. dasani says:

    I can’t think of a more worse scenairo than going into the season with Chris Stewart as our no.1 catcher

  15. dasani says:

    The only catchers lest in the FA market are Matt Treanor and Rod Barajas. If I’m Cashman I’d sign Barajas real quick.

  16. RetroRob says:

    This just in: Chris Stewart announces he takes PEDs. In a related move, PED makers sue Stewart for slander.

  17. Jacob The OG (formerly Jacob) says:

    The fact that the majority of these players has some kind of florida/miami link makes this seem even more fake to me.

    • Jacob The OG (formerly Jacob) says:

      Unless the University of Miami baseball program has been dealing our steroids, otherwise this makes little sense to me.

    • Now Batting says:

      Whaaa? A connection between a PED lab in Miami and players who have a connection to Miami makes it more fake? Personally I think it makes it more believable. It could very well be fake but I don’t see how you can connect the two and make that conclusion. If the players were from California/Washington I’d think there’s a greater likelihood it’s fake.

      • Jacob The OG (formerly Jacob) says:

        I mean it could go both ways As most of the regulars here know, I am a VERY optimistic guy when it comes to players and people I like and I have a really open outlook on things. I could be persuaded eithr way right now honestly but to me I get a sketchy feeling as to this being fake.

        • Andy Pettitte's Fibula says:

          “I mean it could go both ways”

          You’ve been posting that you think this Bosch guy made everything up, as ridiculous as that sounds.

          Now it can go both ways and you can be “persuaded either way”

          Have some conviction dude and pick a side.

          • Jacob The OG (formerly Jacob) says:

            I am on the “he made it up side” but I am saying that anything is possible and for all we know aliens made all this up to fuck with us. Get what I mean now? Nothing is real man.

      • Robinson Tilapia says:

        Not to mention that Miami is the capital of people doing really dumb, sketchy shit.

  18. Havok9120 says:

    I’m still not going to totally buy this stuff until we get some kind information beyond what we’ve got confirmed so far, but it would amuse me a great deal if Cervelli (!!) and Braun were actually caught as a result of this.

    Cervelli only because of the “lolwut?” value. Braun for karma, as the debate about whether or not it was a technicality annoyed me greatly. Technicalities are important, and he should not have been suspended with chain of custody broken….but the argument that he was actually innocent was so thin that “reasonable doubt” would probably not have applied as far as a lot of juries were concerned had it somehow been a criminal matter. “Well, uh, the courier, who I’ve never heard of and who may not even have known who’s sample it was, is obviously out to get me.”

  19. Vern Sneaker says:

    Can’t wait ’til I’m watching a game again thinking about what the next pitch might be and in what location. All this news — aargh.

    • RetroRob says:

      That’s part of the annoyance to me. Unlike a single player being caught, one who has the option to immediately come clean and go serve his suspension, this is a clinic involving many players. Since there is no failed test, all the players will deny, there will be a continuing MLB investigation, which may lead to nothing. This can go on for months and months and months and months, with new names, new allegations, a new something appearing daily or weekly.

      Play ball.

  20. Jacob The OG (formerly Jacob) says:

    yay everyone is on PEDs !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  21. Andy Pettitte's Fibula says:

    The humorous carefree banter from last nights open thread feels like it was a million years ago.

    Give me wrestling, Dom DeLuise, fast food, fat comedians and whatever else over this PEDs stuff.

  22. RetroRob says:

    Okay, so Ryan Braun has issued his statement.

    Statement from Ryan Braun:

    During the course of preparing for my successful appeal last year, my attorneys, who were previously familiar with Tony Bosch, used him as a consultant. More specifically, he answered questions about T/E ratio and possibilities of tampering with samples.

    There was a dispute over compensation for Bosch’s work, which is why my lawyer and I are listed under ‘moneys owed’ and not on any other list.

    I have nothing to hide and have never had any other relationship with Bosch.

    I will fully cooperate with any inquiry into this matter.


    So if I read this right, Braun’s defense is he doesn’t know Bosch, beyond the fact he was closely tied to his defense for using PEDs.

    Can’t make this up.

    • Manny's BanWagon (formerly Andy Pettitte's Fibula) says:

      Right because I’d want to use a shady distributor of steroids as part of my defense after I got busted for PEDs.

      • RetroRob says:

        BTW I see you have a “formerly Andy Pettitte’s Fibula” handle, but you also have an Andy Pettite’s Fibula handle still. Is this your way of transitioning, or is there someone else?!

        • Manny's BanWagon (formerly Andy Pettitte's Fibula) says:

          I’m officially back to “Mannys Banwagon”.

          If I posted as “Andy Pettitte’s Fibula” it may have been from my laptop which I post from during the day as I use my iPad in the evening. I might not have changed my handle from the laptop.

          • RetroRob says:

            That’s what I thought, but I noticed you would still pop up as Andy Pettitte’s Fibula.

            Similar, I used to post under a second screen name about a year back. It was always from my work computer, which had the other screen name in the name field. I really didn’t care since I might post from the work laptop maybe a couple times a week. Yet I eventually dropped it when after posting under the work laptop, later that day from my home computer I responded to my posting earlier in the day, not paying attention that it was me. Okay, fine, yet what disturbed me was my at-home self didn’t 100% agree with at-work me.

            I immediately nuked the at-work me!

            • Havok9120 says:

              That’s probably a bad sign.

              • RetroRob says:

                You think? : -)

                Don’t worry. It wasn’t a Ted Nelson vs. Plank disagreement. I have a tendency to skim notes quickly and respond quickly. I was more surprised as I was doing that that I didn’t instantly recognize my own words.

                No truth to the rumor that my other screen name was Sybil.

            • Manny's BanWagon (formerly Andy Pettitte's Fibula) says:

              That’s pretty funny. Hope you didn’t call yourself a troll.

              • RetroRob says:

                No, I’m sure I was quite respectful toward myself. I usually am when I encounter another person of equal brilliance.

                Seriously, though, the note I responded to was buried in a stream of other notes, so as I quickly skimmed, I hit reply. Using a made-up example if that were to happen today, if my work self supported Cervelli as the starting catcher since he can provide some offense, my at-home version would respond with, “makes sense, although the team might be valuing defense more.”

                No matter. The fact that it happened disturbed me, so I changed my RAB at-work name to match my at-home name to give myself a fighting chance. I mean, err,….

        • Manny's BanWagon (formerly Andy Pettitte's Fibula) says:

          Yeah, I checked my laptop and I hadn’t changed my handle there. Thanks for the heads up.

  23. long ron daniels says:

    I like gassin’, I like stoolin’
    Smells so bad man, I ain’t foolin’

    Stoppin’ shots like Khabibulin
    Christmas over, no more Yulin’


  24. Jacob The OG (formerly Jacob) says:

    HI gUys

  25. Manny's BanWagon (formerly Andy Pettitte's Fibula) says:

    This weeks sign of apocalypse.

    ESPN feels its newsworthy to report that Manti Te’o has taken an indefinite leave from Twitter.

    How the world will continue to go on is beyond me.

  26. Improbable Island's Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR) says:

    Hypothetical: Reaction of the Yankeeverse if it turns out that Mo/Jeter juiced?

    I think the internet might break.

  27. Austin Aunelowitzky says:

    Cervelli? Really? REALLY?

  28. Reuben Sierra's Chains says:

    Lakers with a big win tonight. Don’t want to play those guys in the playoffs.

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