Yankees rank tenth in Keith Law’s farm system rankings

Fan Confidence Poll: February 4th, 2013
2013 Yankees ZiPS Projections

Keith Law released his 2013 farm system rankings today (subs. req’d), which are predictably topped by the Cardinals. They have Oscar Taveras, a ton of MLB-ready power arms, and quality depth coming out of their ears. The Twins and Rays round out the top three while the Angels bring up the rear at #30. The Yankees rank tenth.

“It’s a top-heavy system, but the group of position players who started in low Class A Charleston last year, some of whom finished in high-A Tampa, could produce as many as three above-average or better regulars plus several other guys who’ll have big league value,” wrote Law while also saying they’d rank higher had Manny Banuelos and Jose Campos not gotten hurt. Baseball America had the Yankees ranked 11th while John Sickels had them 14th, so the consensus right now is that 10-15 range. Tampa was the only AL East team ahead of New York, with the Orioles (13th), Red Sox (17th), and Blue Jays (24th) lagging behind.

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Fan Confidence Poll: February 4th, 2013
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  • Jon

    So the red sox are has high as 4th and as low as 17th in farm system rankings? Thats a crazy swing

    • Havok9120

      MLB’s rankings are, from what I understand, not reliable and I believe they’re the ones who had them that high. Where did BA and Sickles have them?

      • jjyank

        Callis (from BA) had the Red Sox at #5. Sickels had them at #9.

        • Havok9120

          Ahhh. Wow. I didn’t know Callis had them that high. I think that that’s about correct, though. I’d put them 3-7 or so, I just don’t know enough about other team’s farms to do a lot of relative comparisons.

    • Nick

      ive also seen ones that have the Yankees in the bottom 5

      • Ted Nelson

        Which ones?

        • Andy in Sunny Daytona

          Bleacher Report had them 24th.

          • RetroRob

            I was just about to respond “none respected,” an idea that Bleacher Report supports.

          • pat

            Lol.

          • Joseph

            Rofl. Bleacher Report is as reliable as three drunken hobos who all just woke up from decade long comas.

            • RetroRob

              Top Ten Reasons Bleacher Report Sucks.

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          • JobaWockeeZ

            LOL at the lols. Just because it’s on Bleacher Report doesn’t mean it’s invalid. Just because it’s an opinion you disagree with also doesn’t mean that it sucks. Please for all the talk of fallacies on this site the same people who cry about it use them.

            After looking at the methology used the ranking sucks. That’s what should’ve been done.

    • Reggie C.

      A super shortstop prospect like Xander Bogearts gives the Red Sox a big prospect propaganda edge over the Yankees in influencing scout rankings. Jackie Bradley (OF prospect) is supposed to be pretty good too.

  • http://www.bronxbaseballdaily.com Greg Corcoran

    I agree with the ranking, but I don’t agree that the system is top heavy. In fact it’s actually the opposite. They don’t have much in top tier major league ready talent, but they do have a ton of depth. This is probably the deepest system the team has had in 10 years. The amount of players with legitimate potential to be top prospects is more than 50.

    • Ted Nelson

      I think he’s referring to top heavy in terms of talent, rather than level. However, those 4 guys are relatively close in the mid-to-high minors.

    • jjyank

      Pretty sure he’s referring to talent level, not the literal top levels, when he says “top heavy”.

    • LK

      I think the farm is solid, but I’m going to have to dispute that you can give me 50+ names with the potential to be top prospects.

      • http://www.bronxbaseballdaily.com Greg Corcoran

        I could give you 65 actually. Not going to do that on here though, it would be disruptive.

        • LK

          It’s possible that we’re simply having a semantic difference, because a system with 65 guys who have legitimate potential to be top prospects as I would define it would probably be the best farm system of all time. I do think there’s a lot of potential breakouts though. If Campos and Banuelos get healthy and some of the lower guys have good years, I think the system could challenge for a very high spot next year since it basically won’t graduate anyone too valuable.

          • Robinson Tilapia

            This.

            I appreciate the sort of knowledge and respect for players in the minor leagues that a fan who could name 65 prospects he/she likes has, but there’s a fine line there. You may like some things that, say, Luke Murton (just to throw a random name out there) has to offer, and can hope he can continue to develop them, but the odds aren’t exactly in his favor.

            Still, it’s enviable to have that kind of knowledge of the farm system. I certainly don’t have it.

            • Ted Nelson

              You could argue that a whole lot of guys in short-season ball have the potential to be top prospects some day, but you could do the same thing for any system.

              • http://www.bronxbaseballdaily.com Greg Corcoran

                Yes but by definition this is where the types of prospects who “could be top prospects” are located. By the time they reach Triple-A they are already either top prospects or not. If they suddenly explode they’ll be in the majors in all likelihood. For the record the Yankees have these types at every level except for Triple-A really. (e.g. Ramon Flores in Double-A).

                That said, I agree that most of these guys are in Low-A or Staten Island. The part where I disagree with you is that you could name 65 legitimate threats to become top prospects in other systems. The lower minors depth for the Yankees is astounding. They have had to acquire another GCL team just to house them all. The point is, there are so many guys with this type of potential that there aren’t enough innings to go around. They wouldn’t do that if these were organizational players like Tyson Blaser or Cody Grice.

            • http://www.bronxbaseballdaily.com Greg Corcoran

              I’m not talking about guys like Luke Murton. His ceiling is limited. I’m talking about guys like Giovanny Gallegos, Hayden Sharp, Jordan Cote, Ravel Santana, Miguel Andujar, Rony Bautista.

          • http://www.bronxbaseballdaily.com Greg Corcoran

            Yes I think our definition of top prospects is different. I’m saying they have 65 guys in their current system who could be all-stars at the major league level if things break right. That is more depth than most of the league.

    • RetroRob

      I’ll go with the “talent level” explanation for what he means by top heavy. I’ve heard Law talk about the Yankees system many times, and he reguarly points out they lack top talent at the higher levels, but have stength at the lower levels.

      • http://www.bronxbaseballdaily.com Greg Corcoran

        Even if he’s talking about talent level he’s still wrong about the depth. The system actually has great depth.

  • Ted Nelson

    I think that the system will shed the “top heavy” label pretty quickly. Both from young guys stepping up (potential examples being Bird, Aune, Hensley, Gumbs, Cote, Camarena, etc.) and from some of their high minors depth pieces coming through (Adams, Romine, Montgomery, Marshall, Turley, CoJo, Murphy, Flores, etc.).

    • Slappy McWaterbug

      Not to mention 3 picks in the first/sandwich rounds.

    • Austin Aunelowitzky

      Hopefully Aune tilts them even more Top-heavy (if you know what I mean.)

    • http://www.bronxbaseballdaily.com Greg Corcoran

      To me that label should be shed already. They already have the guys in the system who represent the depth.

      • Ted Nelson

        We’re talking relative to other teams, and Law (like most prospect ranking media types) tends to skew his rankings towards top prospects. Probably because most teams have promising guys their fans can argue are undervalued.

        I would disagree with you that the Yankees have more depth now than in recent history. They had a ton, say, after 2010.

        You haven’t given any names to back up your assertions, so it’s hard to really know what you’re talking about.

        • http://www.bronxbaseballdaily.com Greg Corcoran

          They had decent depth in 2010, but it is nothing compared to their depth in 2012. Let me preface this by saying I’m not just naming guys with good stats in short season leagues. I’m naming these players because their scouting reports back up their performance and predict a possible ascent to top prospect status. I’m not going to name all 65, but I’ll list a few.

          Ramon Flores
          Nik Turley
          Jose Ramirez
          Mark Montgomery
          JR Murphy
          Anderson Feliz
          Ben Gamel
          Angelo Gumbs
          Dante Bichette Jr.
          Ravel Santana
          Robert Refsnyder
          Bryan Mitchell
          Cory Black
          Evan Rutckyj
          Gabe Encinas
          Matt Snyder
          Greg Bird
          Peter O’Brien
          Chris Breen
          Dalton Smith
          Austin Aunee
          Jordan Cote
          Chaz Hebert
          Rookie Davis
          Luis Niebla
          Hayden Sharp
          Caleb Frare

          You get the idea

  • matt

    It’s funny with all the talk of the good farm system the Yankees have we never see anyone come out of it as they always say he’s a couple years away??? This team is loaded with all old hasbens and the kids are running Georges team into the ground and don’t even get me started on Cashman!!!!

    • Slappy McWaterbug

      Just stop.

    • jjyank

      I think you’re new to the whole “farm system” thing.

    • trr

      C’mon Matt, this is not an exact science….but over time, patience always yields positive results ( ex. Tampa Bay)

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Not sure if serious?

      • Havok9120

        Really?

        That screen name is one of the ones responsible for the ellipses meme.

  • dkidd

    what is campos’ timetable? will he pitch this year?

    • dkidd

      never mind. there’s this thing called google…

  • Manny’s BanWagon (formerly Andy Pettitte’s Fibula)

    Not bad coming from a source I think highly of in Law.

    I’ll take it especially since it could easily improve if Campos and Banuelos show something which I expect they will.

    • BeanTooth

      Campos, maybe. But Banuelos is out for the year after Tommy John surgery. We’re going to have to wait until next year to see what he’s got.

      • Manny’s BanWagon (formerly Andy Pettitte’s Fibula)

        I thought Manny’s coming back sometime in the late summer?

        • RetroRob

          I think it’s safer to assume he won’t pitch in 2014 since the minor league season basically ends by September. If he pitches, it will be very little. Just my guess.

          • RetroRob

            In *2013*

          • http://www.bronxbaseballdaily.com Greg Corcoran

            That would be accurate. He may come back for the end of the season, but he wouldn’t be with the major league team anyway.

  • RetroRob

    Looks like Terry Ryan has done a very good job or rebuilding the Twins’ system in short order.

    And echoing what was said above, it’s interesting the wide range of opinions on the Red Sox. Without checking the main lists, that feels like the widest gap of any team. No idea what that means.

    With the A guys heading up to AA, the return of Campos this year, and Banuelos late this year or by 2014, it’s not hard to see a scenario where they’re a top five system next year as long as their players keep progressing. Obviously always an if for all teams.

    • Gonzo

      About the Sox. I’d bet that Law ranks Barnes lower than most. Probably Wacha (Cardinals) too. He likes them, but he always says that good college pitchers should beat up on A batters. JMO

  • Manny’s BanWagon (formerly Andy Pettitte’s Fibula)

    Cardnials system is pretty impressive too considering they’ve won 2 WS in the last 2 years and are usually in contention.

    • Captain

      best org in baseball. MLB and MILB

      • Andy in Sunny Daytona

        Best fans too. Just ask anyone… (handwank)

    • Manny’s BanWagon (formerly Andy Pettitte’s Fibula)

      correction:

      2 WS in the last 6 years

      • Havok9120

        Your comments are now all invalid for the next 36 hours.