Newman: Ty Hensley expected to miss all of 2013

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Via Chad Jennings: VP of Baseball Ops Mark Newman confirmed right-hander Ty Hensley is likely to miss the entire 2013 season after having surgery to repair labrum damage in his hip. “Spring Training,” said Newman when asked about a target return date.

Hensley, 19, was the team’s first round pick (30th overall) last summer. He agreed to a $1.6M bonus shortly after the draft, but a pre-signing physical revealed a shoulder “abnormality” and the bonus was adjusted down to $1.2M. I can’t say this is the most surprising news in the world — hip surgery is always pretty serious and when Yankees’ pitching prospects get hurt, they usually stay hurt for a while. I think we’re beyond the point of calling all these minor league pitching injuries bad luck.

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  • pat

    Awesome.

  • Adam

    Ty Hensley has been in the Yankees system for all of five minutes. It’s clearly bad luck, unless the Yankees are systematically bludgeoning their pitching prospects with giant mallets upon arrival. In fact, let me fix this for you: “…when pitching prospects get hurt, they usually stay hurt for a while.” TINSTAAPP might not be true, but it’s close enough to true that it’s absurd to blame an organization. Pitching prospects get hurt all the time, it just sucks that the Yankees have had to deal with it often.

  • JohnnyC

    Can’t help but feel the injuries and the failed development of so many top shelf pitching prospects was big reason for Nardi Contreras’ “re-assignment.” Hopefully Gil Patterson can turn things around going forward. Never bought the “injuries are just bad luck” rationale.

    • MannyGeee

      Narrative doesn’t fit the facts. Dude has been playing pro ball for about 35 minutes. Could not have broken him that quick.

      sorry.

      • ROBTEN

        Challenge Accepted.

        Sincerely,
        Carl Pavano

        • Sammy

          lolsauce

  • RetroRob

    You could be right, Mike, but I’m pretty sure the Yankees didn’t do anythign to cause Hensley’s hip injury.

  • LK

    Sounds about right.

  • dkidd

    he’s 19 and his name is a combination of ty cobb and hensley “bam bam” meulens

    he’ll be fine

    • JohnnyC

      I’m sure his parents has that exact combination in mind when they picked his name.

    • jsbrendog

      a racist and a rapist. joy.

      • Ghost of Joe Dugan

        Would you prefer Ty Wiggington & Shuler Hensley?

      • Electric Nunez ll

        Meulens is a rapist? WTF you talking about?

  • Pinkie Pie

    Bust.

    • JohnnyC

      No, Mike says it’s his hip. Nothing to do with his upper body.

      • Betty Lizard

        Hee.

  • Nate

    I’m crossing my fingers that Ramirez and DePaula make it through the rest of the season unscathed.

  • Pat D

    The prospect I’m most interested to see is Dante Bichette Jr. He should be just as good as his father.

    Who’s this Hensley joker?

  • Havok9120

    If they were all roughly the same sets of injuries, you might have a point about it not being bad luck. But they aren’t. So unless you’re thinking that they just don’t give them any training direction at all and their bodies are horribly out of whack as a result, there doesn’t seem to be a common thread here. Especially not with guys so new to the system.

    • jjyank

      Yeah, I agree. There’s no link that would make me believe that Hensley’s injury has anything to do with the organization’s development strategy.

    • Jim Is Bored

      Couldn’t agree more.

      That line came out of nowhere, I’m fairly certain it’s just Mike’s frustration leaking out into his writing.

    • Cool Lester Smooth

      Yeah, I just decided to assume that he’s talking about a curse from on high destroying our pitching prospects. It makes more sense than blaming the Yanks for a labrum injury.

    • steves

      I think the issue here is not are the Yanks “causing” the injury but rather are they “missing” the injuries before they sign/trade for guys (Pineda; Feliciano and now Hensley). If it turns out the hip injury was not something that happened after he was signed then shame on the Yankee medical guys who are supposed to figure these things out in advance.

      • Havok9120

        There’s no evidence at all that the Yanks missed an injury from Pineda. Nor is there any for Hensley. He pitched some last season, which I imagine would be pretty tough to do with an already-torn labrum.

        I honestly don’t remember Feliciano’s situation in any detail.

        • trr

          For myself, I simply don’t believe the team is doing something “wrong”… This is an absurd streak of horrible circumstances. The furthest I’ll go is that the team may be too cautious in getting the players back on the field, which only serves to retard their progress. Then again, that’s only a fan’s observation, absent definitive medical perspective.

        • A friend

          On the contrary, there was a lot of evidence to be cautious with Pineda, the guy had been in the DL a few times during his time in the minors (once per year on average), so, if he is injury prone it has to be something in his biomechanics the yankees dediced to overlook, didn’t pay attention or simply didn’t know how to assess it.

          As for Feliciano, the Mets GM said he didn’t want to sign him because they had overused him for three straight years, and Feliciano in an interview in spanish said he was already injuried when he signed, but the Yankees doctors tought he was ok.

          I remember Pineda also declaring something along those lines in spanish.

          Spanish speaking players tend to open up more with spanish speaking journalists and reporters, even more so when they are in their country, because thinking in your natal language and then translating it to english is difficult enough and people tend to “misscomunicate” what they are really thinking; something like that happened with Aceves with the Yankees before his injury, and something similar with the sox, so much that he has been a target of Pedroia… but, that’s something Aceves will rarely say in the US, but in San Luis Rio Colorado where he lives in the mexican border, he said it in a game he attended (he has amateur and little league teams and from time to time in the winter he pitches to them… i even got a signed ball from him when we talked about his biggest dream as a child: to play with the Yankees in the majors; a guy known for his temperament but also highly missunderstood because of his honesty and direct approach, he unlike Pedroia won’t take another player’s cell phone to text the owner, so all the blame falls in that other guy, like what Dustin did to Adrián, something that Adrián also said happened).

    • Gonzo

      I’m not 100%, but I think I read an interview with a Yankee prospect that said they just ask you to show up. That they don’t ask you how you train or if you train in the offseason. They don’t offer guidance or request adherence to a training regiment in the offseason.

      I have no clue if that’s true and I can’t find the interview either, so please take it with a heavy dose of salt. It might explain why experienced pitchers with established training regiments fare much better, but that’s just pure speculation on my part.

      • Bo Knows

        I think you have it mixed up, every team has an offseason program that they want their prospects to do. The Yankees don’t interfere with their prospects swing, mechanics until a later point in time.

        • Gonzo

          I hope you’re right, but I don’t think that’s the case. At least that’s not what I remember.

          • Bo Knows

            Was it the Jordan Cote interview? Because that’s the one I read, it was the most thorough article about what the Yankees do, and from him they are pretty thorough about what they want. They hold weekly phone conferences with their prospects about what they are doing. They have a regiment of essential stretches and workouts, from there they give them some more freedom in terms of extra workouts.

            • Gonzo

              I thought it was an older interview. I really can’t remember, I don’t think it was a NoMaas or TYY interview.

  • Phil

    With all the time he’ll have missed, he’ll be pretty behind. Hopefully he can still put things together.

    • Havok9120

      He won’t be all that far behind. He’ll be 20, at most.

  • Adam

    At what point does this team’s evaluating and strength and conditioning staff/programs come into question? I realize this was a fluke injury, but still. It seems like stuff like this happens more to our organization than anyone else. It can’t be a coincidence.

    • Havok9120

      Well, for one, yes it can.

      For another, it actually DOESN’T happen more to the Yanks than anyone else. Prospects get hurt all the time.

    • jjyank

      I’m guessing that you’re a different Adam than this one: http://riveraveblues.com/2013/.....nt-6207513

  • Adam

    All the arm problems are what’s especially concerning. Pineda, Banuelos, Betances, Brackman, Joba (shoulder injury and then TJ, I know this year his arm has been fine).

    • Havok9120

      Shoulders and elbows are different things. As are bones, labrums, capsules, and ligaments for that matter. The injuries don’t fit a pattern that anyone has really been able to demonstrate as yet.

      • Rick

        Oh just stop using your medical knowledge. You’re gonna sound smart and make sense. If we want to lump all injuries together as one, let us have fun. According to that song, all of the bones are connected somehow!

        • trr

          see, that’s the “definitive medical perspective” I was lacking above!

      • Gonzo

        There could be one thing that you’re missing. Conditioning is crucial to maintaining your throwing motion in pro ball. Poor conditioning leads to slipping of mechanics which could lead to injury.

        Not saying that’s what it is. I am just pointing out that they might be connected in a way we haven’t put together yet.

        • Bo Knows

          it was an impingement, so chances are its just some kind of strange genetic abnormality. That he only took notice of when he pulled that abdominal.

          • Gonzo

            It may be genetic but it may not be either.

            • Bo Knows

              I really doubt a kid who was a two sport athlete, and the son of a college coach is going to have conditioning problems. Also doesn’t fit the known fact that he’s a very hard worker. Keep in mind there is no record of him getting hurt before now, so I doubt he chose the moment he made a little money to start goofing off.

              • Gonzo

                I understand, but let me give you an analogy. I can train for a 5/10k easy just by running. If I want to train for a marathon, I better get serious about cross-training, speed training, and weight training if I want to avoid injury after injury and still put in a good time.

                I’m on the same side. I’m a Yankee fan too. I’m just saying that we can’t really rule anything out.

                • Bo Knows

                  that changes things then, although it may sound like semantics. There is a difference between poor conditioning and improper conditioning.

                  Poor carries the image that he isn’t doing anything, improper denotes that he just might be doing the wrong type of training and certain areas of the body are getting ignored by accident.

                  • Gonzo

                    When I was training, my running coach told me that improper training is even worse than not training. At least I can’t injure myself sitting on the couch, but I can cause a lot of damage going too hard at the wrong thing.

                    Poor conditioning is kind of a catch all to me. That might not have come across well, my bad.

            • Gonzo

              If that’s his mom below, I stand corrected. Whether or not conditioning is a factor in other injuries, I can’t say.

      • A friend

        According to biomechanic studies, shoulder and elbow injuries are related, your body tends to try to adjust and put more pressure to compensate. Same thing with hip injuries, if a pitcher is not using his body weight to gain power, he will tend to force his arm; bad things happen when trainers try to force a player to change his rythm.

  • Dalek Jeter

    I was expecting shoulder surgery, because I mean you draft a dude with “shoulder abnormalities” and what do you expect. I wonder if the injury is a result of him putting strain on his lower body to compensate for loss of velocity due to the shoulder thing. Just conjecture though.

  • Gleb

    The Yankees are legitimately awful at drafting.

    • jjyank

      Because Hensley got hurt?

      • Havok9120

        Well, duh. Clearly they failed to properly assess the injury risk involved with him.

    • IRememberCelerinoSanchez

      Yeah, what a terrible job finding Robertson, Phelps, Gardner, Warren, Romine (from the active roster) and Williams, Austin, Adams, Encinas and Murphy (all in the minors) after the first round. Because only the first round counts, and only after 2007 (because, apparently, Hughes and Joba don’t count).

      And, of course, a pitcher getting a hip injury is a sign of bad drafting.

      It must be sad to live in a world so negative a blanket comment like yours made sense in your brain.

      • A friend

        All those drafted players have not generated big amounts of WAR in the majors. The ebst of the bunch I think is Austin Jackson who was traded for a swing happy CF, with less speed, a bad throw, low AVG, low OBP and older… heck, he was traded for a CF who has had one of the worst seasons (in terms of WAR) all time for any player who has hit at least 40 HR.

  • Bo Knows

    I swear this would be comical if it wasn’t so sad. So many injuries to everyone in the organization. Man, sometimes I think this team if cursed. would be nice if someone could manage to stay healthy.

    I’ve always been an optimist but its gotten to the point now that if anyone gets hurt, your better off assuming they are done for several months if not the entire season.

  • Now Batting

    So our first round pick has a bad hip and a shoulder abnormality. Makes Culver, Brackman, and Bichette look like steals. Can’t wait to see what they do this year.

  • Greg

    file this one under “No Shit”

  • G

    Why would you sign someone you know is damaged goods? Just stupid.

    • Bo Knows

      What’s stupid is you commenting when its obvious you have no clue about the situation. First off it was hip surgery not his shoulder (I’m assuming you don’t know that the hip is where your legs are attached to, and the shoulder is where your arms are joined to).

      Second unless your a doctor and you personally examined him, you have no clue what his abnormality is. His shoulder is built differently than the general norm, it doesn’t mean it’s necessarily a bad thing.

      Third he never had any injury of any kind prior to his hip surgery so no he wasn’t “damaged goods.”

      • Robinson Tilapia

        This whole thread is full of the absolute worst of RAB. We’ve got amateur doctors, people feeling fit to evaluate strength and conditioning, scouting, the whole nine yards. All this undiscovered MLB front office talent without a job!

        • Gonzo

          FYI, I didn’t “evaluate” their strength and conditioning program if this is aimed at me.

  • Robinson Tilapia

    If it’s not bad luck, then what it is? Sorry, Mike, but I’m rather shocked you’d throw something out there like that.

    It’s his hip, not his shoulder.

  • mhensley17

    Good Afternoon,

    I have never posted on a blog site before but given the false information out there I felt the need to go ahead and give you guys some facts. 1)Ty is my son 2)The proudest day of his life was the day he was drafted by the Yankees. 3)He was named after a guy my husband played with because at the time I thought Ty sounded like a baseball name not because I had any idea who Ty Cobb was.

    Now let’s cut to the chase… Ty’s hip condition has nothing to do with the shoulder non-injury issue that was discovered after the draft. For inquiring minds…Ty hates the word “abnormality” and he thanks me all the time for that one. We just didn’t know what to call it at the time so that’s the word we used in the press release. He has a sublabral foreman. It is a congenital condition that is present in less than 5% of the population. You can do the research and see why at first glance it caused the Yankees concern. We didn’t know he had it and there are no symptoms. It is a normal variant of the labrum that because of it’s rarity there just isn’t a lot of experience with, nothing to compare it to. It works for Ty. He has never had any soreness in his shoulder, no laticity, sits 92-94 and tops out 97-98. It took 5 of the best doctors in the US to reach that diagnosis. If you think a scouting department could have known about that prior to draft day you are crazy. In addition if you think parents are going to subject their asymptomatic kids to contrast MRI’s to find things you are as equally crazy as that is medically unethical. The Yankees were at every single one of Ty’s games, as were all the clubs that were in the mix, he had a better then normal physical exam and his medical history was squeaky clean…he never even had a broken bone..pretty remarkable for kid who had been playing three sports competitively since he was 5. For those that don’t know 2012 was the first year we had to submit medical records before the draft. All the teams received copies of any primary care records along with xrays, mris, and medications. The Yankees did their job with Ty and he was just glad to get the shoulder thing put behind him and show everyone what he he had. Then in what was his last outing in the DR he strained an AB pretty bad. He recovered came back to ST and in his first outing struck out the first three guys he faced and blew out another ab and that’s when we discovered he had FAI. You can look up the medical jargon. Apparently since about 15 or so due to his rapid growth and playing sports year round his abs have been doing all the work his hips should have been doing because they could not rotate in the socket. Abs heal just fine…and Ty’s recovery on his hip has been awesome! He is 19 and Dr. Kelly is amazing. Discovering this now probably gave him years on his career. It is actually odd that the abs compensate for the hips it’s usually the arm in pitchers The UCL or R Cuff a lot of times pays the price. All Ty wants to do is play ball and impact people’s lives that’s it. He is more determined to do that then ever. So you might call him and these other prospects a bust because of their misfortune. I don’t know the ultimate plan for them , but I do know that those guys could probably all teach most of us a thing or two about commitment, winning, and over-coming adversity.

    So in a nutshell Ty has a congenital normal variant in his shoulder and after this year will have hip rotation… which he had 0..think about that one, he is 19, 6’5, 220 has a three pitch arsenal and loves being a Yankee dammit!

    Will he need something done on his arm someday who knows???? If I am a betting person I would say yes because he is a pitcher for pete’s sake and who knows if he does if it will be his shoulder, elbow, or his pinky nothing about what we know today warrants any kind of conversation about it.

    What I do know I am gonna hear it from Ty for posting this….

    • Robinson Tilapia

      I really enjoyed reading this and, yes, I will go on record and saying I believe you’re his dad.

      • Greg Corcoran

        *mom lol

    • Bo Knows

      Thank you sir for posting, I am glad to have the pleasure of reading this. You did not need to tell us anything because this is you and your families business and I hope you give your son my well-wishes for a speedy recovery. I was looking forward to seeing him pitch this year, and making noise on the prospect lists.

      • Adam

        Uh, guys? Mom?

        • Bo Knows

          I noticed it after i hit submit. this site really needs an edit button

    • TheBadOwl

      I hardly ever post here, but that was awesome. I was excited when the Yankees picked Ty and it just seems like he’s had some bad luck. People who think that the Yankees missed something have no idea what they’re talking about. The shoulder thing isn’t even an issue, really, and the hip thing doesn’t affect his arm at all, either.

    • BigBlueAL

      Been reading RAB since 2008 and this is easily the best comment ever!! You tell them mom!!

      I will be definitely rooting for Hensley now more than ever, wish him all the best.

    • Pinkie Pie

      Thank you for taking the time to post all of this information and for clearing up your son’s condition. I hope you know that I only claimed your son was a bust in jest.

    • dkidd

      thank you for posting! all of us wish the best for your son

    • Jacob the OG

      Thank you mother Hensley, I am glad you to the time out of your day to post this and inform the all of us about what is really going on with Ty. I can only speak for myself when I say that restored most of what faith I had lost when originally reading this, I believe like you said “this could add years to his career” This gives me much excitement. I also know what it is like to grow to fast for your body causing other parts to lack because I have terrible knees due to this. The only thing that bothers me is it looks like Ty will not reach the majors by his set age of 21 because I really thought he could, and while he still can it seems likely I just hope he does not rush back! Best wishes from the commentors at RAB

    • Greg Corcoran

      Assuming that you are the real Mrs. Hensley, I give you a lot of credit for coming on here and posting. I think it’s important for you to know that there are a lot of negative people out there, and unfortunately being a part of the Yankees organization there will always be those out there who criticize unnecessarily. It’s not a personal dig on Ty or any other prospect.

      I do also think that a lot of people are posting things that are not a slight on Ty in any way, but are just reporting facts. I’m sure you can separate the people who are negative just for the sake of being negative and the people who are on here posting because they want to analyze the Yankees decisions, training staff, etc.

      That said, I really hope Ty proves all of the naysayers wrong. He has had a rough start to his career with the abdominal strains and now surgery, but hopefully he is able to get past that.

      It’s tough as a Yankees fan, also the most impatient brand of fan which is another thing you’ll have to learn to get used to, when the last three first round picks haven’t turned out the way we had all hoped so far. There is still time though, especially for Ty.

      As far as the others go, everyone has to deal with failure at some point in their life. In particular, a first round draft pick is lucky because they have the opportunity that most of us failed at before ever getting to that point. The opportunity to chase a dream and see if they can play baseball against the best of the best. Ty still has that opportunity and he’ll have every chance to show what a resilient player he is.

      I wish him the best of luck and I hope that this injury is just a blip on the radar in his career.

    • thenamestsam

      Best post ever.

      I hope my mom would have my back the same way. Hopefully some day we’ll get to watch Mama Hensley cheer on her son in Yankee Stadium.

    • RetroRob

      A total thumbs up; and yes, I totally believe you’re his Mom.

      Happy your son is a Yankee, and…

      Happy Mother’s Day!

    • Gonzo

      Great job! Ty is very lucky to have a mother like you. I hope to see you in the stands one day when Ty is pitching a very, very important playoff game.

    • A friend

      Thanks for the post… but I will only say this: it is not unethical to do MRIs, XRays and all type of prospection analysis in a player soon to be signed by an organization, because they are risking more than one million dollars, sure, for a MLB team that might not be a lot, but IT IS a lot, and teams need to be sure that the investment is worthy; sure, we are talking about human beings but baseball also is a business and as such, decisions are taken in regards of “who will help me in the near future?” and from then, a team resorts to risk assesment. In the case of your son it might no be bad, but we still don’t know based only on his limited time and pressure with his body still developing, he is just a kid.

      My best whishes to Ty, I hope we get to see him pitching soon.

      • A reader

        “If you think a scouting department could have known about that prior to draft day you are crazy. In addition if you think parents are going to subject their asymptomatic kids to contrast MRI’s to find things you are as equally crazy as that is medically unethical.”

        Try some close reading, friend.

        Mrs. Hensley said it would be unethical to submit her asymptomatic kid to testing. She didn’t say it would’ve been unethical for major league teams to do it.

        If the Yankees, or another team had wanted to do that sort of testing on their own dime, that would’ve been up to them (and subject to the draft prospect’s consent) but that’s a totally different story and wasn’t brought up by Mrs. Hensley.

  • Adam

    Wow, this rules.

  • hey now

    “he never even had a broken bone..pretty remarkable for kid who had been playing three sports competitively since he was 5.”

    No small feat. I was breaking bones left and right as a kid playing sports. Then again, I’m a klutz.

    • Bo Knows

      should have drank your milk and taken your flintstone vitamins

      • Pinkie Pie

        Flintstone vitamins are goddamn delicious.

  • LeftyLarry

    Hope he invested the $1.2 mill well.

  • Jackie Dean

    I previously read Hensley would be out 2 or 3 months from the start of April only to find out he is out for the year. If anyone has any feedback on the reason for the additional missed time, I would appreciate it. I am assuming that the Yankees are being careful with him but am also concerned that he may have experienced trouble with his recovery.