Sunday Night Open Thread


The 67th annual Old Timers’ Day went off without a hitch this afternoon; in fact it went so well that the Old Timers’ Game lasted five innings. I can’t remember it ever lasting more than three innings, but apparently all the Old Timers’ felt good and time was plentiful, so they just kept going. That was pretty fun. Pat Kelly can still hit a little bit. I wonder if he has the arm for third base these days? Anyway, a slideshow of Old Timers’ Day photos are above. Enjoy.

Here’s your open thread for the night. The Rangers and Cardinals are your ESPN Sunday Night Game (Tepesch vs. Wainwright), and that’s really it. Talk about that game or anything else here. Have at it.

Categories : Open Thread


  1. Pseudoyanks says:

    Hah, I missed the whole Yankeefest today, including the actual game, so nice to see that slide show…thanks.

  2. Mick taylor says:

    Unless jeter Nunez granderson and a decent bat in a trade are coming, I do not see how this team can win the division.too bad theY exercised their option on swisher before last season when they should have let him walk and sign carlos Beltran to the deal the cards gave him Beltran wanted to play foryanks but cashman instead made the dumb move in keeping the choke king

    • Bo Knows says:

      Beltran is older, with an injury history, how would that have been better than Swisher?

      • Mike Axisa says:

        That one final 35+ year old is the missing piece.

        • Robinson Tilapia says:

          The last horcrux.

        • stuart a says:

          amen. bo knows would be the 1 whining when the over 35 year old got hurt and the yanks are on the hook for a bucket of cash with no return….

          another stupid spoiled yankee fan.

          • JobaWockeeZ says:

            Can my family sue you if I die of laughter from your last sentence?

          • Mick taylor says:

            You are the stupid fan or the choke king’s butttboy. First of all, Beltran wipes the floor with swisher short fence or not . He would have cost the yanks about 30 million for 2 years he also is a great post season hitter whereas swisher is the worst in the history of baseball. Maybe we beat the tigers last year with Beltran instead of swisher . The money spent on swisher last year and wells this year would have paid almost for beltran .

      • Mick taylor says:

        Look at Beltran stats last year and this year picture how with the short rightfield Yankee stadium fence how Beltran would do even better than in st louis and you have your answer Beltran would have been great

        • Jim Is (not) Bored says:

          Lots of words with no punctuation except ill use the occasional Capital letter for names and this is so easy to read and everyone really will want to follow my logic which is impeccable.

          Everyone says the short right field fence will make any hitter with any power amazing. Fun fact: it doesn’t.

          • JobaWockeeZ says:

            Here’s another fun fact since Beltran returned from injury his wRC+ is 17 points higher than Swisher. Defense is equally bad so if the risk works then Beltran would be a significant upgrade over Swisher.

            Yes it’s a risk but no, Swisher is not better than beltran which is what I’m assuming is being implied.

            • Jim Is Bored says:

              Nope. Arguing with the logic behind the point, not the point itself.

              Apparently you can’t tell the difference.

        • forensic says:

          That right field fence which you guarantee would make Beltran better is a big part of what’s diminished your most hated player.

          • 461deep says:

            Swisher is a good player, fun guy but quite streaky. He does not remotely compareto Beltran who if not for injuries reduCing his numbers would be at least borderine HOF. Carlos is a classical, classy 5 tool player who always does well when healthy. The Yankees went Cheapo and
            let Cardinals snag him. My view is that among switch hitters only Mickey Mantle had more 5 tool talent. Bet Mick would light up the new YS.

  3. Bo Knows says:

    JR Murphy is amazing
    Rafael De Paula is a stud

    that’s all that needs to be said

    that and if both keep it up, they will be shooting up the top 100 boards

  4. forensic says:

    So, that was a pretty terrible job by the bullpen today (and a bit for Nova hitting 2 guys). Yuck.

    For the fantasy people: Would you trade Andrew Bailey for Tom Wilhelmsen? I’m trying to get rid of the Red Sox on my team and both guys are kind of shitting the bed right now, so it’s probably just a lateral move, but I’m curious anyway.

    • SDB says:

      Drop both. Uehara’s been named the Sox closer, IIRC.

      • forensic says:

        I have Uehara too, who I’m sort of trying to trade too. I took this team over from a Red Sox fan, so I’m trying to ‘clean’ it up still.

      • forensic says:

        And holds is a category for us, so if either one gets themselves sorted out a little, they could still have value if they can even get to a set-up position.

    • Robinson Tilapia says:

      I give Kelley the pass for being too careful with Longo. Logan wasn’t good, and two hit batsmen do slightly color the start for me with Nova. Still, though, it was a damn encouraging start for him. If only I didn’t feel like we’ve been burnt by Nova before.

  5. SDB says:

    More fantasy advice needed -

    Bunch of pretty big name/contract pitchers floating around in my league on the waiver wire or as FAs – Josh Johnson, Kyle Lohse, and someone just dropped Cole Hamels (shocked he’s 2-11 this year). And Chris Tillman’s a FA. Have two – possibly three – pitching spots open, with Burnett on the DL and both Jarrod Parker and AJ Griffin being rather meh.

    Worth making a move or two?

    • forensic says:

      Keeper league?

      Hamels has been a bit better in June (even though he wasn’t so great his last start), so he’s probably worth taking a flyer on.

      Lohse has also been fine (he’s on my team too), though he can’t buy a win because of his team.

      JJ’s a tough one, but when healthy he might be worth a spot. In my opinion, he might be the 3rd choice of the 3, but I’m no fantasy savant.

      • SDB says:

        Not a keeper league.

        I’m leaning towards Hamels and JJ, the latter mainly because there now seems to be offense behind him.

  6. Oy says:

    Ruben Amaro is on the phone. He is willing to take on A-Rod’s contract. In return, we need to send Phelps,Sanchez and Austin to Philly. Oh, and we’ll also be receiving Ryan Howard’s contract and Delmon Young. Yes, you will have to endure seeing Young wearing pinstripes for at least one day.

    Do you take it?

    • Jim Is (not) Bored says:

      I laugh until I pass out because I have no more breath.

    • Robinson Tilapia says:

      I’d rather sign Alex up for another 50 years than do that.

      Okay, that was a bit extreme, but you get my point.

      • Jim Is (not) Bored says:

        The only way it’s even interesting is without the Ryan Howard and Delmon Young part. And even then, I still say no.

    • forensic says:

      How is that even a question? Howard is owed a grand total of $1 million less than A-Rod over the rest of their contracts (assuming the team would buy out the final team option on Howard), which only ends one year sooner for Howard than A-Rod.

      • Oy says:

        Both had almost identical wRC+ during the last 3 years. Both are DHs going forward. It’s a mater of whether you have more trust in Howard hitting well in his 34-37 years of age or Alex hitting well in his 38-41.

        • Mike Axisa says:

          Even if you do trust Howard to be more productive, is that worth Phelps, Austin, and Sanchez? No chance.

          • Oy says:

            No, because I’m high on Phelps and I think that he’s underrated here. I would give up Sachez and Austin because I can imagine A-Rod’s production at the age of 40. At least you know what you’re getting with Howard.

            • Robinson Tilapia says:

              That’s not worth me giving up two players who stand a chance of being on your roster in the next two seasons.

        • Robinson Tilapia says:

          Alex might be less of a DH than Howard moving forward. Also, don’t forget the three extra players you tacked on.

    • The Doctor says:

      Take Howard out of the deal and toss in Domonic Brown, sure. Other than that, you’d have to be huffing paint for that to make even the slightest bit of sense for the Yankees. Sure, let’s take on a completely valueless player on a terrible contract for a still good player on a slightly worse contract, a solid and inexpensive starter, a potential future All-Star/MVP type at a position we desperately need to fill, and a safe bet solid corner outfielder.

      Let me know when any part of that makes sense.

  7. Big Member says:

    is there anyone with a pulse whose in my RAB VIM fantasy league? because im straight up dominating…big member is ripping up his competetion. he’s 10-0 this week and 70-35 for the year….he’s league cant hold him

  8. forensic says:

    Kendrys Morales walk-off homer. Better not celebrate too much again…

  9. Eddard says:

    Upcoming changes the team needs to make -

    Nova as 5th starter , Hughes as 7th inning guy.

    Almonte in the #2 spot where his doubles won’t be wasted as much.

    David Adams sent back down to AAA for Mustelier.

    Not much else Joe can do with this bunch of guys but we need to ride the hot hands as long as we can to stay in this for another month.

    • forensic says:

      Mustelier is still on the DL (to my knowledge).

      • Eddard says:

        I thought he came off yesterday unless he went back on again. Adams just isn’t doing anything. Came up in some big spots today. 7-8-9 is an absolute black hole right now. They need to do something.

        • Robinson Tilapia says:

          Adams isn’t doing much but, like they said on the broadcast, the league has figured out how to pitch to him and it’s on him to make the adjustments if he’s going to remain a viable big leaguer.

        • forensic says:

          I don’t have a problem with the move, I just think Mustelier is still hurt so it doesn’t matter right now.

    • Robinson Tilapia says:

      1. Not buying Nova yet, but I’m long beyond caring what they do with either guy right now.

      2. Too soon.

      3. I wouldn’t object. I just don’t know if I want them breaking in another third baseman. Also, when not injured, what’s Musty done to earn his call-up this year?

      4. Completely agree.

      • forensic says:

        Well, Mustelier does have an .850 OPS in the last month, but as far as I know he’s still injured, so it’s kind of a moot point right now.

        Guess I don’t need to comment on the first point. :-)

        And while Almonte is hitting I would move him up, but to the 5th spot ahead of Overbay, not to 2nd.

    • JohnnyC says:

      Mustelier is out with a groin pull. I suggest you go down to Scranton with your medical bag and see what you can do to hasten his recovery. These things last a while, Doc.

  10. Manny's BanWagon says:

    Just got home from the game. The old timers introductions were incredible especially for Bernie, O’Neill, Wells and Cone. O’Neill hit a few into the seats in BP.

    Unfortunately, it was all down hill from there as the Yankees offense gives new meaning to the word putrid. They’re just painful to watch this year.

  11. Get Phelps Up says:

    Josh Hamilton got pinch hit for by Brendan Harris in the 9th inning of a tie game. Brendan Harris!

    • forensic says:

      In fairness, Hamilton just had a cortisone shot for a wrist problem and wasn’t even supposed to play until at least Tuesday. He was just a brief defensive player during this game.

  12. forensic says:

    LOVE seeing painful losses for the Angels. Wish there were more of them last weekend, but still, good stuff.

    • forensic says:

      heh, an Angels fan on twitter: “Welcome to our life. We celebrate travel days as non-losing days.”

    • The Doctor says:

      Was at that game. Great to say Russell come in and get the big pinch hit double, he was really the only reason I was excited to go. Even if the Yankees manage to get plenty of production out of other guys, I’m a Martin fan.

  13. Kramerica Industries says:

    I’m so glad the LNOGY struck again.

    Fuck. Hanging slider in a 1-2, 2 out count. Awful.

  14. Crime Dog says:

    They’re playing with a short bench right? Because Neal got sent down for Nova. So, I would bet Nova gets sent down for a hitter and then comes back up after ten days. Unless they decide to go with a 6 man rotation for the time being, or drop Hughes into the pen, which would necessitate sending down a reliever. Who gets the axe in that scenario? And who the heck gets called up?

    • stuart a says:

      i move hughes to the pen now, i look to trade Joba asap.

      be proactive, the joba and hughes experiment is either ending now or before next season.

      pineda, phelps, and nova make Hughes a goner, make it happen when it can possibly help this season.. for once make moves early not late….

      • Crime Dog says:

        I think Joba being optioned or DFA’d is more likely than traded off the bat right now honestly. His value is low right now, he’s been injured and he has a 5+ ERA.

        • Robinson Tilapia says:

          I don’t think either of those first two has a chance of happening.

          He either gets traded for a slightly-better-than-fringe guy or leaves in the off-season.

      • Robinson Tilapia says:

        I’d look to see what I can get for Joba before I trade him. If what I’m getting is org fodder, then he’s still more valuable pitching innings for my team until he leaves in the off-season, if that’s what in fact happens.

  15. JohnnyC says:

    Correction. They ARE playing their bench. That’s the problem.

  16. stuart a says:

    Logan has now allowed 10 of the 28 runners he’s inherited to score.

    that is why stats can be misleading and why Logan is a avg lefty relief pitcher with above avg stuff but avg or below avg. location..

    Bafoon Logan, could not hold Mike Stantons jock…………

  17. stuart a says:

    looks like another long term deal is working out real well Starlin Castro fo rthe Cubs is performing like escobar of the Rays. these guys #’s are horrendous even if the super scout Paul O’Neill loves escobar because he his a homer the other day.

    the # of long term deals that pay off is ridiculously low…..

  18. WhittakerWalt says:

    How fitting that on Old Timer’s Day the Yankees played like a bunch of guys who should be retired.


  19. FIPster Doofus says:

    I miss Raul Ibanez.

    • BFDeal says:

      Including his .278 OBP?

      • FIPster Doofus says:

        Ibanez had a solid .340 wOBA against righties prior to today, when he hit two more home runs (one vs. a lefty). He’s now up to 17 homers – more than every single Yankee – despite playing home games at cavernous Safeco as opposed to Yankee Stadium and its short porch.

        To be clear, I’m not saying the Yankees were wrong to let a 40-year-old DH type walk. I just miss the guy. That’s it.

  20. nyguy says:

    Mike – you are absolutely correct that Oldtimer’s Day at Yankee Stadium needs to be experienced at least once. It has been my privilege to attend a number of them including 1978. I know this is well before your time but that was the year Billy Martin was fired (the first of five times) for his highly publicized fights with Reggie Jackson and George Steinbrenner and then publicly calling both of them liars with the now infamous “One’s a born liar and the other’s convicted” statement alluding to the whole Howard Spira episode that got George banned for a year.

    Bob Lemon took over and as injured players came back, he guided the Yankees to that historic 14 1/2 game comeback on the Red Sox. the fans still loved Billy Martin though because he gave the city a championship the year before. Outside the stadium vendors were selling ‘Bring Billy Back’ buttons (I used to have one from the game).

    During the Oldtimer’s introductions, the fans cheered as players like Joe Dimaggio, Mickey Mantle, Yogi Berra, Whitey Ford and Phil Rizzuto came out of the dugout. I remember being able to see into the dugout from my seat and there was a figure off to the side in the shadows and out of view of the cameras. After the last player was introduced (I believe it was Dimaggio) every fan was shocked when Bob Sheppard announced something like “… the manager of the NY Yankees for 1980 and hopefully many years to come, No.1 Billy Martin!”

    When Martin came running out of the dugout the place was in an uproar. It was probably the longest standing ovation I can remember seeing then or since. Quite frankly I was ecstatic too. It was later I realized what a master promoter Steinbrenner was. He knew what the fans wanted and could give it to them bigger and better than anyone else.

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