Thursday Wednesday Night Open Thread

Klapisch: Yankees aren't particularly interested in Marlon Byrd
Williams stays hot in Tampa win

After all the bickering about whether he should have pitched the eighth or ninth, it’s time to take a second to appreciate the magic of Mariano Rivera‘s entrance into last night’s All-Star Game. The video is great but it doesn’t really do it justice. This is definitely one of those things I’m very happy to have experienced in person. I feel like that about Rivera’s entire career, really. It’s still so hard to believe he’s retiring in about three moments. No matter how badly the Yankees suck in the second half, Mo is more than enough of a reason to watch every single game.

Here is your open thread for the evening. The only baseball tonight is the Triple-A All-Star Game, which will air at 9pm ET on MLB Network. There are only two Yankees farmhands in the game and neither is an actual prospect (RHP Chris Bootcheck and OF Thomas Neal), so that’s not all that fun. Here are the rosters. Talk about that game or anything else here tonight. Go nuts.

Whoops: It’s Wednesday, I’m an idiot. I’ve had my days mixed up all week. Sorry if you got excited thinking tomorrow’s Friday.

Klapisch: Yankees aren't particularly interested in Marlon Byrd
Williams stays hot in Tampa win
  • KEN


    • jjyank

      Hopefully about the dangers of caps lock.

      • MannyGeee – Failed Starter

        That….. is a pretty decent jab. Well done

    • Steve (different one)

      “Listen kids, don’t be like me and take PEDs. I have hit over 600 HRs, earned almost half a billion dollars playing a child’s game, and dated many famous starlets. It would be a shame if any of you went down that dark, dark road. But if you do decide to take PEDs, just make sure you sound like Andy Pettitte when asked about it”

      • forensic

        But if you do decide to take PEDs, just make sure you sound like Andy Pettitte when asked about it”


        • Preston

          Or David Ortiz, I think having an accent must be like cryptonite to PED hate.

          • MannyGeee – Failed Starter

            Sammy Sosa says to go fuck yourself, but you probably couldn’t tell because of the aforementioned accent.

  • Jim James

    My interest in reading about baseball somehow managed to recover from HardballTalk’s post & subsequent comments today which painted Joe Nathan as the John Elway to Mariano Rivera’s Joe Montana.

    I can’t ever recall a game against the Twins (I’ll even ignore Nathan’s postseason record) where Nathan came on for a save & I didn’t have the utmost confidence in being able to rally. I’d even listen to an argument for K-Rod before I’ll take Joe Nathan. Gleeman’s a good guy, but I think his Minnesota bias got the better of him there.

  • hogsmog

    You should also take a second to appreciate the magic of Joe Nathan (sfw)

    • Andy


    • SeventhAce

      Pure gold right there, another one in my stash of funny gifs.

  • Bo Knows

    Gosuke Katoh and Tyler Wade have been killing Rookie ball; its especially interesting that Katoh is currently OPS’ing 1.119 and has 10 XBH

    • Manny’s BanWagon

      Sorry to rain on your parade but didn’t DBJ kill it in rookie ball before turning back into a pumpkin?

      • Vincent Vega

        He must’ve forgotten. Everybody knows that statistics do not matter prior to AA ball. It’s best to just forget those players even exist.

      • Bo Knows

        Some differences include;

        -Katoh isn’t the son of a major leaguer
        -facing competition of the most recent draft which includes the higher draft picks since the signing deadline is much sooner rather than facing guys who just signed early.
        -Also one of DBJ’s true hindrances is his complete lack of consistent hitting mechanics. His swing now is different from last year which is different from the one’s he used that earned him the MVP honors.

        And Katoh if you listened to everyone on here was going to struggle to keep the ball in his hand, which doesn’t seem to be the case.

        I’m not proclaiming the kid to be the fusion of Cano and Ichiro (Canichiro?) but the early returns are very good.

        • Canichiro

          You rang?

      • Preston

        You have to hit in the GCL before you graduate to Charleston. He’s well on his way to completing one level successfully. And no that doesn’t guarantee he will conquer any of the subsequent levels. But it’s better than the alternative and fun to follow.

      • Get Phelps Up

        Hitting in the GCL >>> Not hitting in the GCL.

        What’s your point?

    • trr

      And expectations for Katoh were somewhat mixed, right? He was too slight, not strong enough…..
      Still, a long road ahead for him.

  • adam

    It’s wednesday.

    • thurdonpaul

      ditto..its wednesday, Mike

    • Jim James

      If he wants it to be Thursday I’m not arguing. I’ll take an early Friday.

    • Pseudoyanks

      Hump Daaaaaaaay

  • Ben

    wait a minute, is it Thursday or Wednesday today?

  • E in NY

    Maybe these long hours and hot days are messing with my brain but shouldn’t it be the Wednesday Night Open Thread?

    • Mike Axisa

      I’ve had my days mixed up all week. The Futures Game threw my off, I kept thinking that was Monday.

  • VT Yankee Fan
  • Jacob the OG

    MWP bringing his elbows to the garden! Who else is excited?

    • vicki

      say queensbridge.

  • Dars

    How about these trades?

    Yankees send Joba Chamberlain and David Adams to the Braves for Chris Johnson

    Yankees send Phil Hughes and JR Murphy to the Angels for Mark Trumbo

    Johnson can be our 3B on the days ARod sits or DHs.

    Trumbo can be the complement to Lyle Overbay at 1B or be a RH corner outfielder

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Angels have no reason to buy on Hughes.

    • Pat D

      Trumbo is a one-trick pony at best.

      • SDB

        That one trick involves hitting the ball hard, and hitting it a fucking mile. I’ll take him.

        And he’ll hit LHPs. Can stick him in the outfield too.

      • WhittakerWalt

        In case you hadn’t noticed, we’ve got a lot of ZERO-trick ponies on the team right now.

    • mustang (The Has Beens & Wannabes Bunch 2013)

      You must be on santa’s nice list for 2013.

  • briancg

    why is every thing on this site tinged with negativity? what if the yankees stink? are you not a fan anymore? can you only write about a winning team? baseball itself is awesome. as much as i like the in-depth everything that is on this sight, the writers strike me as spoiled, whining brats. sorry to harsh. if they stink, it’s part of the game, part of the cycle of baseball. they’ll get up again. don’t lose to much sleep over it….this coming from a guy who reads about and watches baseball every single day of my 37 year old, yankees baseball addicted life.

    • jjyank

      I’m not going to rip on the writer(s) here, but I do kinda agree. I’m 24, and by all accounts, I should be spoiled as hell, since I’ve only known Yankee baseball since 1995. And yet, I do realize that there are unavoidable cycles, and that at some point, age would catch up to a team that utilized the strategy that the Yankees used. And it was a pretty great strategy, considering they only missed the playoffs once since 1995 and won the World Series 5 times as well.

      But all good things must come to an end, and a new cycle must start. To be clear, I’m not saying that the cycle is 100% over. Just that if it is, so the fuck what? No team is going to experience success forever.

      • kenthadley

        As a fan since 57, let me tell you that this cycle is over. But the sun will rise again tomorrow, and it might be brighter if we can find out what the strategy is beyond 189. Getting a few extra picks in the draft helps, but that is long term and uncertain. Squeezing into 189 with 100 of it taken up by declining superstars is a strategy for 5th place. Being aggressive on IFA’s outside the limits might help also. Another winter like last year and you’re looking at a 75 win team in 2014.

        • jjyank

          Ehh I stopped reading after your first sentence. I hate it when people pull out the “well I was a fan since…”

          Get over yourself.

          And now I decided to read the rest of it. I’d also like to have your crystal ball to know how much money I’m gonna make next year. Seriously. The Yankees are in a rough patch right now, but let’s not predict the future. Because, ya know Suzyn.

          • kenthadley

            It must be wonderful to be 24 and know as much as you do. I’m now aware the world didn’t exist before 1995. If you need a job I’d be happy to interview you, and at that time I’ll be very clear on what I predict you’d make next year.

            • jjyank

              Being a dick doesn’t help your point. I’m merely trying to say that cycles happen, and big deal if it’s coming to an end. It happens. BUT, we also don’t know that 100%. A lot can happen in a year. Trades, signings that over perform expectations, prospects that can actually perform, etc. Baseball isn’t played on paper, which is something I would imagine that Yankee fan since 1957 would know.

              • kenthadley

                Yeah, I’ve known it since we traded Norm Siebern for Roger Maris, but thanks for verifying it for me.

                • jjyank

                  Good to know that you’ve applied your worldly knowledge.

                  • kenthadley

                    Come in for that interview. Rutgers University, New Brunswick campus. We have 12,000 employees. I’m sure we can find something to match your skills.

                    • jjyank

                      I already got a grad degree from Rutgers, and their program was disappointing. But see my response below. Sorry if I was hostile. Truce.

                    • MannyGeee – Failed Starter

                      As an educated man (older than jj, possibly but not certainly ), I am calling bullshit on you and working for Rutgers in any capacity that is more than janitorial. Because, well, you know, onyl someone that is “not bright” would try and prove your worth by telling us that you are ‘with the University’.

                      Settle down man. We get it, you’re super old and super smart… Which is exactly why you’re not writing for the Journal of Some Shit or Another, rather gracing the ‘Mustard Crowd’ with your presence…

              • I’m One

                To be fair to kenthadley, jj, you did start the dickishness (IMHO), by dismissing him because he mentioned how long he’d been a fan. It was a very small part of his comment. Sometimes wisdom comes with age. (Other times, not so much.) Let’s not take ourselves too seriously here.

                Now go make nice, the 2 of you. :-)

                • jjyank

                  Fine. I officially apologize to kenthadley.

                • Robinson Tilapia

                  Not that I really want to stir the pot further, but….

                  I usually love talking to older fans. I like to feel that I know enough about history that I can hold my own and, let’s face it, I’m about to turn 40 next year. To some fans, I’m old myself.
                  However, using “well, I’m older than you” as some sort of stamp of legitimacy on what I can hear from a teenager on here is going to impress no one.

          • Manny’s BanWagon

            Got up on the wrong side of the bed today I see.

            • jjyank

              No, it’s a long standing pet peeve of mine to pull the age card. To be fair to kenthadley, most of that stems from TomH, to be honest. It’s just annoying.

              • Manny’s BanWagon

                Your response did come off a bit hostile IMO though since almost all of what he posted was relatively benign.

                I do think the age card does have some validity. It’s hard to call someone a spoiled Yankee’s fan or a front runner if they stayed a fan through the late 60’s/early 70’s as well as the mid 80s/early 90s.

                • jjyank

                  Fair enough. It was probably too hostile. I apologize. I just don’t like the assumption that older fans are more informed. And that may not even be kenthadley’s intention, and if it’s not, I’m sorry.

                  But age doesn’t mean that. If it did, I would be a front runner and hate this team. I’d be a troll who thinks that George is rolling in his grave. It’s not that simple.

                  • Reuben Sierra’s Chains

                    He is rolling over in his grave. A continuous loop.

                • Robinson Tilapia

                  To jj’s defense, if he wouldn’t have blown up at that guy, I would have at some point.

                  • Pat D

                    Because you think you’re so superior to everyone else, you fish-fingered ass.

                    Seriously, I honestly don’t know why people make comments saying “I’ve been a fan since 19XX” or “I’ve been a fan for XX years.” It’s not a badge of honor, it doesn’t make you a better or greater fan than anyone else on here. It’s really the ultimate way of insinuating “I’m better than you.”

                    I get what MBW said about a fan staying through the lean years, and that’s great, but it’s also an assumption. I could go and say, “I’ve been a fan since 1985-6-7” (I don’t really remember when I became fully aware of being a fan), but I stopped rooting for them from 1990-1992 after the Winfield trade. So that both means I haven’t TRULY been a fan since the year I said AND I didn’t stick through the team through the most recent lean period.

                    Let’s be honest with ourselves, too. When the next lean period does hit, are we all going to frequent this site (assuming it still exists) as much as we do now? Are we going to watch as many games? Are we gong to attend as many games? Pretty sure the answer is “No” to all of those questions.

                    So can we all just get over the petty squabbling about who’s the bigger/better fan.

                    • Robinson Tilapia

                      First of all, don’t bring up my private incident with that fish. It took me a lot of years of therapy to get over that and not immediately run and tighten my ass at the sight of a goldfish.

                      If you’ve been a fan for 40 or 50 years or whatnot, don’t tell that a team seven games over .500 represents some sort of nadir in Yankees history. Please. I may not have been around for all those years, but I’m a fan who cares about what came before me. I know what you went through. I’ve also lives through worse than this myself as a fan, and never, ever thought this team would be exempt from hard times again in the future.

                      If any of us posts here less in the future, I’d like to think its have less to so with won/loss record than it would with just having something else to do. My fandom’s not dependent on won/loss record. Would I watch less games? Maybe for self-preservation, but I’d never stop following every inch of this team.

                    • Robinson Tilapia

                      Besides, we all know that straightedge means I’m better than you.

                    • Pat D

                      It’s clobberin’ time for you, Mr. Punk!

              • Steve

                Yeah, what a dick to mention how long he has been a fan for.

                “I’m 24, and by all accounts, I should be spoiled as hell, since I’ve only known Yankee baseball since 1995.”

                • jjyank

                  I’m gonna guess that you don’t know what the word “context” means.

          • Zangrief


            • jjyank

              What a well thought out response.

              • Robinson Tilapia

                Maybe it’s his first name. Welcome, Dick Zangrief.

            • MannyGeee – Failed Starter

              Let me tell you, I’ve been a dick since 1983, and that was not even remotely dickish.

      • hogsmog

        Plus then we’ll get indie cred by wearing Yankees hats, like all those cheeky Pirates fans!


        (I’m 23, Yankees fan from the cradle, know exactly where you’re coming from)

    • Robinson Tilapia

      I don’t consider Mike to be spoiled at all, as I think his disappointment comes less from the won/loss record as it comes from his feeling taken advantage of as a fan by the words versus the actions of ownership. I don’t personally share that sentiment, but I think it’s a completely valid emotion for a Yankee fan to feel at this point in time.

      Otherwise, yeah, I agree with you 100%. Everything is cyclical, and I’m thankful that the team I’ve been a fan of for my 39 years has provided me with the good fortune of amazing peaks to go with the unavoidable valleys. I also don’t think I’m alone at all in feeling that way on here.

      • I’m One

        Sometimes others put my feelings into words better than I do. Thanks RT.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          Anytime. :)

  • forensic

    Mike, were you stuck in the press box last night so you couldn’t cheer or anything for him? Or did they break their unwritten rules and actually do something for him?

    • Mike Axisa

      In the press box, no one cheered. Easier than you think.

      • FIPster Doofus

        You should have started a slow clap like at the end of “Rocky IV” and the other media members would have followed suit.

    • vicki

      “axisa, you okay, man?”

      “something in my eye. i’m cool. allergies.”

  • Pat D

    I just want everyone to know that I lost a case of Mrs. Pell’s fish sticks this morning. I should be ashamed of myself.

    Now that I’ve let that information out of the bag, can Tilapia’s groupies start stalking me too? PLEASE???

    • jjyank

      Maybe if you had a catchier name. Like Pat Halibut or something.

      • Pat D

        But I can’t change my name! It’s the one that was forced upon me at birth!

        • jjyank

          Salmon Pat?

          Pat Blue Fish?

          Pat Dogfish?

          Pat Dartfigh?

          Apparently, fish names attract trolls. I’m sure you can figure it out.

          • Pat D

            Now we’re getting into this territory:


          • nsalem

            Pat Pike

            Patty Clams

            Pat Piranha

            • Manny’s BanWagon

              I like Pat Piranha.

              A Piranha would kick the shit out of a wimpy little Tilapia.

              Pat Barracuda isn’t bad either.

              • Pat D

                I have no ill will towards Tilapia. I just want to steal his stalker-esque groupies.

                • Manny’s BanWagon

                  groupies or groupers?

                  • jjyank


                    Well played.

                  • Pat D

                    Are groupers stalking these days?

                    Damn fish are evolving faster than we are!

                    • Robinson Tilapia

                      You all are fucking weird.

                    • Pat D

                      Everyone on here is weird in some way.

                      You know this to be true!

                    • Robinson Tilapia

                      Oh, I’m weird. Ain’t no doubt about that.

                • Robinson Tilapia

                  Please have them. Really, I don’t mind.

                  I still can’t believe I stuck with this screen name. It’s like we’ve gone too far to turn back now. Besides, “Jumpin’ Jack Swisher” was too much a moment in time.

  • The Troll Monger a/k/a Your Mother

    I thought today was Sunday when I woke up, freakin retail.

  • Manny’s BanWagon

    I hate my fantasy league. No one will make a fucking trade unless it’s totally one sided in their favor.

    • jjyank

      Heh, that might be better than my league, if you ask MannyGeee. He totally got trade raped by Plouffy.

      • Manny’s BanWagon

        Who did he trade?

        • jjyank

          Plouffy got Stanton and Chapman for Corey Hart (who might be done for the season) and Josh Hamilton (who still only has a 91 wRC+).

          • Manny’s BanWagon

            That’s pretty bad.

            I could use some HRs and RBIs and offered Austin Jackson and Anibal Sanchez to a team at the bottom of almost every pitching category for Jose Bautista and got shot down in like 30 seconds.

            I’m in first place by a decent margin but I’m want to cement things away as early as I can

            • jjyank

              You’re in a good position at least. I’m in second place right now, and it’s all pretty close. So I’m super gun shy about trades, because I don’t know if my own players will pull me up, or if a trade is necessary.

              • Manny’s BanWagon

                I’m the same way.

                I have a hard time letting go of players I drafted because I always think as soon as I trade them or release them, they’re gonna turn things around.

              • Dalek Jeter

                Super gun shy is a bit of an understatement. Twice jj and I have spent literally hours hammering out trades. I’m not going to lie, both times I backed out last minute because I felt that creeping feeling you get right before getting traderaped, but literally any offer I made was followed by a gun-to-my-head style counter offer.

                • jjyank

                  Gattis is still available Plouffy.

                  • MannyGeee – Failed Starter

                    You can all kiss my ass, because Coray Hart was NOT done for the year (at the time) and Hamilton has betting hitting since the trade, and Stanton was still on the shelf, AND I still have 5 closers.

                    Screw it, I got nothing… If you don’t gamble, you’re not playing. I rolled the dice on a 2nd half of Corey Hart and it didn’t pan out.

  • Slu

    A video!!! YES!!!!!!!!! See isn’t that much better than a GIF? :)

    • vicki

      apples and oranges.

  • McLovin

    Mason Williams just retweeted a tweet I sent him. My day is made.

  • Pat D

    So Gordon Ramsay is at a restaurant that is about 6 minutes’ drive away from me, filming a Kitchen Nightmares episode. Found out about it in a newspaper article yesterday, sent an email requesting a reservation, only got a response to fill out a survey, which I did, but nothing else. Definitely disappointing.

    Of course the place he’s trying to help is a place I’ve never visited. It’s a little Italian place that’s on a road that would be considered a main road, but not a highway. It’s changed ownership a few times to the best of my knowledge and a lot of people have commented that the most recent change of ownership totally dragged down the place.

    So it will be an interesting episode to watch when it airs next year. But it would have been so cool to be in the place while he worked, whether it was during a successful relaunch or to have him shut the place down.


  • your mom

    As frustrating as this season has been, I know I will always remember this as Mo’s last season. Thank God for Mo. I will miss him dearly after this season.

  • Pat D

    MLBN re-ran the ASG this afternoon in a slightly abridged format.

    They did not cut Mo’s entrance. Shows that they know what’s right.


    • WhittakerWalt

      Did they run it with the Joe Buck-blocking turned on? They should sell a chip that does that.

      • I’m One

        They should sell a chip that does that.

        I’d buy 2 or 3 for each of my TV’s. Maybe more.

  • phil

    how about CC for Profar?