Jul
25

Thursday Night Open Thread

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The seven-game road trip through Boston and Texas is mercifully over, though this afternoon’s win was a fantastic way to cap things off. Three wins and four losses is bad anyway you slice it, but the Yankees were dangerously close to a 2-5 or even a 1-6 trip, really. The wins are in bank though, and that’s all that matters at this point.

Here is your open thread for the evening. MLB Network will air a game tonight, though who you see depends on where you live. Tri-Staters should see the Red Sox and Rays. Other than that, you’re on your own for entertainment, but feel free to talk about anything you want here. Go nuts.

Categories : Open Thread
  • stuart a

    how they are treading water is amazing. yanks have less runs scored then the Mets.

    nice game for romine, showing some signs of being a real major leaguer, they should give him a few more starts as long as he is going strong.

    hiroki has been phenomenal.. jeter sounds like he will be back saturday, i guess they send down adams?

    • Robinson Tilapia

      It is amazing, and every day that passes is one less day that other shoe has to drop.

      It’d be great if, when this all said and done, this team was seen as the team that persevered when no one thought they would, and that it paid off in the end. You, obviously, think there’s less of a chance of that than I do, but wouldn’t that be nice?

      I appreciate your contributions lately.

      • Jimmy McNulty

        I actually do not want that to happen. This freeganisim style of acquiring talent, mediocre farm, and shying away from good players has to stop. I want there to be a very clear message sent that acquiring the all star team from five years ago is not an effective way to build a roster.

      • Jimmy McNulty

        And they’re three games out of the WC, I’d say to the extent that the other shoe will drop that it already has.

        • jjyank

          Really? Three games out of a postseason berth with the fact that Jeter, Granderson, Teixeira, A-Rod, etc. isn’t rather amazing? If the shoe that assumed the current Yankee 25 man roster were to actually drop, they’d be like 10 games out.

          And given your above comment, where you apparently said that you don’t want the Yankees to win, I take whatever you say from here on out with something less than a gain of salt.

          As for stuart…I think he may need to be taken off The List. He’s been pretty damn rational, and not the one trick pony he was last year. Kudos.

          • Jimmy McNulty

            Let me rephrase, I feel that the Yankees game plan in recent years was trying not to miss the playoffs rather than trying to miss the world series. Spending 26M on Ichiro and Vernon Wells over two years rather than re-signing Nick Swisher? Tons of dead weight on the books and a farm that’s been fairly barren over the past few years. Eff that. The team needs to hit the reset button. I said last year that all things considered, Boston had a better year than the Yankees. They shed a shitload of dead weight and they had a very good year down the farm.

            I don’t think the Yankees are that far away, but I do think this Vernon Wells, Kevin Youkilis, Ichiro, Freddy Garcia, Bartolo Colon shit needs to stop. They’re at the baseball equivalent of the Salvation Army for a reason. Cano’s a top five player and Gardner is an underrated asset. I think given a few moves they can be close again.

            • jjyank

              “I feel that the Yankees game plan in recent years was trying not to miss the playoffs rather than trying to miss the world series.”

              I don’t think those two things are as far apart as you seem to think.

              As for the rest of your comment, that’s fair. I don’t agree personally, but I understand.

              • Jimmy McNulty

                I don’t think those two things are as far apart as you seem to think.

                It’s playing not to lose as opposed to playing to win…

                • jjyank

                  I think those are the same thing. Assuming that the outcome of “playing not to lose” would be winning. Which it would be.

                  • Jimmy McNulty

                    They couldn’t be more opposite, really. There’s a difference between trying to win rather than just avoiding the loss. There was a few games back where Belichick went for it against the Colts on 4th and something tied rather than punt it away with a little under two minutes left, knowing that either way Manning likely beats them. They said he wasn’t coaching not to lose, he was coaching to win. That sort of thing.

                    • jjyank

                      But there are no ties in baseball. Avoiding the loss means they win.

                      I kinda, kinda get what you’re getting at. But I disagree. If you think “not losing” and “winning” are the exact opposite though, you’re crazy. If anything, it’s a mere matter of semantics. The opposite would be trying to lose. I feel like that’s obvious.

                • Cool Lester Smooth

                  The playoffs are a crapshoot. Getting into the playoffs should be the only goal, because anything can happen from there.

                  • Jimmy McNulty

                    Well you can usually guarantee that you won’t win a World Series by letting Vernon Wells, Travis Hafner, and Eduardo Nunez play every day.

                    • Cool Lester Smooth

                      Hafner is the only one of those guys who they planned on having as a starter at this point in the season.

            • OldYanksFan

              While I wasn’t crazy about the Ichiro deal, so far he has posted 2.0 bWAR for a salary of $6.5m. Swisher has a 2.4 bWAR for a 5 year AAV of $14m. I can’t say this has been crazy bad for the Yankees.

              With the $189m cap looming, the Yankees have NOT been doing business as usual. After 2014, when the ‘cap is reset’ to zero, and only a few players are still on the books, the Yankees will spend big (and hopefully smart) and we will be contenders again.

            • Context, schmontext

              For cripe’s sake, will people stop comparing the acquisition of Wells to not acquiring Swisher, or Napoli, or Reynolds or anybody?

              The Wells acquisition never would’ve happened had not both Granderson and Teixeira gone down with series injuries in late February-early March.

              The decision to let Swisher goes was more likely than not correct, as it would’ve taken a 4-year deal to keep him.

              • Jimmy McNulty

                Yes, but for the next two years including the 2014 deadline, they’re paying Ichiro AND Vernon Wells the same price it would take to pay Nick Swisher. That’s lazy and fucking stupid.

                • Context, schmontext

                  It’s also wrong.

                  They were going to pay Ichiro $6.5 million for each of the next two seasons. That’s $13 million for 2013-2014 combined. Swisher makes $11 million this year, and $15 million next year. Ichiro saves them $4.5 million this year, and $8.5 million for next year.

                  Wells is not replacing Swisher; he’s replacing Granderson, who’s been out almost the whole season. The decision was Swisher vs. Ichiro, not Swisher vs. Ichiro AND Wells.

                  Now, if you’re going to tell me they could’ve keept both, and when Granderson got hurt, moved Ichiro to left, saving money, well, that’s not really correct either. Well, they’d save $500,000 this season, but Swisher makes $15 million a year for his age 33, 34, and 35 seasons, and has a vesting option for his age-36 season at $14 million.

                  Wells costs only $2.4 million next season, which is the season the Yanks are interested in making their payroll cap.

          • Jimmy McNulty

            And as far as the other shoe dropping…how many fans think they have a realistic chance at the playoffs? NoMaas has all but written off the chance of a postseason, the fan confidence polls are pretty low, and they don’t seem to be able to hit for power and they’re looking at Alfonso Soriano as an upgrade…I’m thinking this is as bad as it gets.

            • jjyank

              This is as bad as it gets? They’re 6 games over .500 and have a chance (however big or small you want to peg it) at a postseason berth. I bet fans of at least 10-15 franchises would be willing to tell you to screw off for saying that.

              If this is the Yankee low point, I think you need to count your lucky stars.

              • Jimmy McNulty

                If this is the Yankee low point, I think you need to count your lucky stars.

                Have you seen these fucking ticket prices?

                Also this:

                http://marcdavignon.com/blog/w.....5;1024.jpg

                As far as being over .500 still a good thing, meh…their offense sucks and they’re not making the playoffs. Whether they don’t make the playoffs at 84-78 or 75-87, meh. All the same to me really.

                • jjyank

                  Tickets being expensive doesn’t make this as bad as it gets. Sorry. It just doesn’t.

                  • Jimmy McNulty

                    The reason this is the low point for the Yankees is because the Yankees operate under a different set of rules than the rest of the franchises. High ticket prices, a brand new stadium, and their own TV network are some of the reasons they are able to operate this way. Thus, the fact that they’ve never sucked as hard as the Astros used to is irrelevant. Who gives a shit? There’s a reason they’re the Astros and the Yankees are the Yankees.

                • Robinson Tilapia

                  Same old crap. Same old McNulty.

                • Cool Lester Smooth

                  Dammit, Jimmy! Would it kill you to show just a little bit of gratitude?

                  /sorryhadto

                  • Jimmy McNulty

                    The fuck did I do?

  • Oy

    Carlos Zambrano has been released. Cash should definitely target him. Dude has career .636 OPS. Hafner’s OPS this year is a sexy .694. Thing is, Zambrano can probably fake first. And, a year away he was raking with a .348/.500/.848 line.

    Plus, we can just use him to intimidate teams. Not many batters will be willing to stay at 1B while Zambrano is there, they’ll be avoiding walks and attempting to pull the ball.

    • Deathstroke Heathcott

      Would be interesting to pick up as a RP/PH

      • Deathstroke Heathcott

        /crazy-guy-enforcer

    • Robinson Tilapia

      I’ll, um, pass.

      • Carlos Danger

        You’re supposed to puff first, then pass.

  • Eddard

    They needed Soriano here this weekend for the Rays. It’s a big series if they want to stay in the division race. Otherwise, they’ll be stuck battling for the 2nd WC. If Alex is healthy they could plug him in too –

    Gardner
    Jete-DH
    Cano
    Alex
    Soriano
    Overbay
    Ichiro
    Nuney
    Stewie

  • trr

    I’ll start by saying how tired I am of hearing about the whole A-rod thing. Tired of the accusations , the denials, the speculations, most of all the lies. I’m not here for the drama; just for the game. The sooner this thing plays itself out the happier I’ll be

    • jjyank

      I agree with that. But I’ll expand a bit. I’m tired of the whole PED scandal. I’m tired of hearing who did steroids years ago.

      This is what I want to happen: MLB admit that it happened, make the tests as conclusive as possible, and just move forward. There’s always going to be cheating. Always. In baseball, and in every sport. Instead of the witch hunts and the mud-dragging through the media, just test and punish those who cheat. If a few slip through the cracks, it is what it is. If there is evidence that shows past use, go ahead and levy that same punishment. But this whole thing has been a giant circus, and I hate how it’s played out. Both on the player and the MLB side.

  • jjyank

    I’m curious, what other players (if any) have gotten the send off from other teams that Mo has gotten this year?

    I don’t pay attention to such things for other teams, so I don’t really know. But this certainly seems unique, and I love it. Being that Mo is my favorite active player (with Bernie being my all time favorite), it’s just so freaking cool to see him get honored in every city. I’ll be honest, I’ll probably cry a little when he officially retires.

    • Get Phelps Up

      I think Chipper got it last season.

    • JMK

      It’s definitely unprecedented and fitting. I can’t think of another player in recent baseball history that has been so universally respected by peers.

    • forensic

      Chipper Jones got it last year. I believe Ripken Jr. got it too.

      • jjyank

        Now that you and GPU mention it, I remember Chipper. Can’t recall Ripken, but that doesn’t surprise me at all. It’s still very rare, and still very cool to see Mo get a send off from other teams.

    • Jimmy McNulty

      Tony Gwynn? I recall he was cheered just about everywhere.

  • Gonzo

    Oh, A-Rod might be a slumlord too.

  • Get Phelps Up

    Looks like a Soriano trade is just about done. https://twitter.com/PWSullivan/status/360542927740616704

    • forensic

      Still not a big fan of the move, but we’ll see what the Yankees are giving up.

      • Dan

        I like the move a lot–if they can now trade for a RH corner infielder, and a backup catcher; once Jeter and Granderson comeback (which is looking soon), they’ll be able to put out an average lineup every night. With this pitching, they’ll be a playoff team with an average lineup. And they could actually be in position to make a playoff run.

      • Dan

        I like the move a lot–if they can now trade for a RH corner infielder, and a backup catcher; once Jeter and Granderson comeback (which is looking soon), they’ll be able to put out an average lineup every night. With this pitching, they’ll be a playoff team with an average lineup. And they could actually be in position to make a playoff run.

      • Dan

        I like the move a lot–if they can now trade for a RH corner infielder, and a backup catcher; once Jeter and Granderson comeback (which is looking soon), they’ll be able to put out an average lineup every night. With this pitching, they’ll be a playoff team with an average lineup. And they could actually be in position to make a playoff run.

      • Dan

        I like the move a lot–if they can now trade for a RH corner infielder, and a backup catcher; once Jeter and Granderson comeback (which is looking soon), they’ll be able to put out an average lineup every night. With this pitching, they’ll be a playoff team with an average lineup. And they could actually be in position to make a playoff run.

      • Dan

        I like the move a lot–if they can now trade for a RH corner infielder, and a backup catcher; once Jeter and Granderson comeback (which is looking soon), they’ll be able to put out an average lineup every night. With this pitching, they’ll be a playoff team with an average lineup. And they could actually be in position to make a playoff run.

      • Dan

        I like the move a lot–if they can now trade for a RH corner infielder, and a backup catcher; once Jeter and Granderson comeback (which is looking soon), they’ll be able to put out an average lineup every night. With this pitching, they’ll be a playoff team with an average lineup. And they could actually be in position to make a playoff run.

      • Dan

        I like the move a lot–if they can now trade for a RH corner infielder, and a backup catcher; once Jeter and Granderson comeback (which is looking soon), they’ll be able to put out an average lineup every night. With this pitching, they’ll be a playoff team with an average lineup. And they could actually be in position to make a playoff run.

        • Dan

          And I am really sorry for the multiple post.

          • Robinson Tilapia

            Happens to the best of us, as well as to Pat D.

            • Pat D

              Hey!

            • Pseudoyanks

              Dan likes the move ;)

          • Cool Lester Smooth

            So, Dan, what do you think of the move?

      • THe Real Greg

        6:56pm: ESPN’s Buster Olney reports that the Cubs are likely to receive a lower-level pitching prospect for Soriano and that they will eat the majority of the money remaining on Soriano’s contract. The two sides are waiting for the formal waiving of Soriano’s no-trade clause (Twitter links).

  • forensic

    Red Sox-Rays postponed tonight. So that basically means the Yanks will face Hellickson this series instead of Hernandez.

    That kind of sucks.

  • JMK

    I feel pretty conflicted. On the one hand, I’ve always respected how dedicated A-Rod is to baseball and still believe he can be a valuable player, baggage and all. On the other hand, he’s making huge money and having him face a lifetime ban would be a massive financial benefit to the team.

    • jjyank

      I like A-Rod. If the Yankees can get off the hook for his entire contract, I would put that above my liking A-Rod, since it would benefit the team so much. But short of that, I’m rooting for A-Rod to come back.

    • CashmanNinja

      There’s no doubt that A-Rod loves the game and works his ass off, but the problem is that he’s not doing it the right way. He was lucky there weren’t many repercussions after it was discovered he was taking PEDs in his Texas days. I understand it was before any PED ban was really in effect, but it still tarnished his numbers. He was aware that he couldn’t have any more screw ups, but he kept it up with this Biogenesis place. It’s his own fault. He already got off on a technicality, but tempted fate and look what happened. It’s his own fault. Now he’s doing dumb things whether it’s hiring a doctor to speak on his behalf without permission or it’s posting injury updates on Twitter. He just “doesn’t get it”. He may have been a great player (PEDs or not), but he definitely doesn’t make the best mental decisions. Let’s not forget his little flirting escapades in the playoffs when he was hitting on a woman in the stands instead of paying attention to the game. I’ve defended him greatly, but this was the last straw. If they can find a way out of the contract it *HAS* to be done. It would give us so much wiggle room.

      • JMK

        Yeah, I don’t disagree with you on the A-Rod drama. A-Rod’s troubles are his own doing.

        I get the sense that A-Rod wants so desperately to be known as the greatest player who ever lived that he can’t cope with the pressures.

        I’m not defending A-Rod. He makes a ludicrous amount of poor decisions. I think it’s a reaction to his own expectation of grandeur; the cruel treatment he receives from the fans, the media and baseball; and generally not being someone who thinks things through. He fundamentally seems to just not understand people. At all.

        I actually sympathize with him more than most people do.

    • Revan

      If it helps the Yankees would probably buy the next Pujols/Hamilton with similar dollars…and similar results.

      • Cool Lester Smooth

        Hamilton is a completely different situation than Pujols.

  • bring back the bullpen car

    They said Romaine has new approach ..swing at first or second pitch maybe it works from now on

    • forensic

      I guess that’s the Jeter approach.

    • Hall and Nokes

      Lettuce see how it works out for a few weeks before we conclude anything.

      • Pat D

        Bravo.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        Before we have to play Boston again.

      • SDB

        By the time Cervelli’s back, he’ll probably be iceberg cold.

  • Laz

    Kinda makes you wonder where mo’s gonna put all that shit.

    • Darren

      In rooms #24-39 of Panama mansion #3.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        Thank you.

  • Pastaj

    Hey mike
    Your being scooped Soriano has been pulled from the game.
    Hope he didnt cost us david adams

    • pat

      I would think if Adams was involved he wouldn’t have played today.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Lower-level pitching prospect, according to Buster.

      OMGZ IZ DEPAULA.

      So long, Mikey in a box.

  • fabricio

    they pulled soriano out of lineup theyre waiting for him to waive to his no trade clause

  • stuart a

    soriano, jeter, and grandy added to the roster would help a ton..

    soriano can run into a homer on occassion he is pretty effective against lefties and compared to this team he is a slugging machine

    grandy obviously has power and his fielding is passable and he is way better then wells. i take wells out for soriano and I guess grandy would reduce ichiro’s time quite a bit.

    jeter obviously hits better then the present SS situation and they can even play Nunez at 3b and with his speed and athleticism offensively he is better then lillibridge, adams, and nix.

    arod is a whole other story…adding those 3 guys would lengthen the lineup a ton.. there offense is so awful and improvement is huge and to improve at 3 spots in the order is a big improvement.

  • JMK

    I don’t hate the Soriano move but it just doesn’t seem worth it at this point. With or without Soriano, I don’t see this team making it to the playoffs.

    Ultimately, the team is at a crossroads.

    The team’s biggest advantage, money, is really hurt by shifts in the market (fewer great players under 30 hit the market anymore), as well as draft and IFA regulations. Oh, and 189.

    The Yankees roster is largely comprised of a aging, declining/ineffective and expensive players, with few tradable assets.

    Even if you try to blow it up, how? Pettitte, Kuroda, Granderson and Cano could potentially be off the books next year. What is there to sell? Robertson? Gardner?

    You can’t count on the Dodgers bailing out your crippling contracts.

    So let’s say you want to stay the course and patch up the holes. OK, but you’ll likely pay out the nose on long-term deals and find yourself in a similar situation.

    The bottom line is the team can no longer afford to maintain the poor player development track record. The game has changed too drastically in the past few years.

    • Deathstroke Heathcott

      We’re only three games back and have some reinforcements on the way (even if it’s not quite as much as we thought we’d be getting). Our best hope long-term is to get bailed out from A-Rod’s contract via suspension though.

    • Darren

      How is Soriano “not worth it”?

      not worth what? a midlevel prospect? that’s plain silly

      marginal cash for this year? it’s not going to anyone better.

      taking time away from thomas Neal? haha.

      what exactly is not “worth it”

      I think your problem is that you either wan the Yankees to be the top dog, or you want to slum it and see what it’s like to rebuild. but this kind of year is where you earn YOUR pinstripes.

      just keep the faith man.

      • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting)

        The biggest issue with getting Soriano is it pretty much guarantees him a starting spot next year. He should definitely help this year’s team, but I really wouldn’t want to lock him in as a starter next year.

        • Darren

          If the Cubs are paying his salary, I don’t think he’s guaranteed anything.
          And again, we don’t have ANY PROSPECTS beating down the door.
          and likely don’t want to spend the money on Choo or any other FAs.
          So…..better Soriano than Neal or Zoilo.

          • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting)

            They need to add offense next year, even if Cano comes back. OF would be the most likely place to do it.
            The Cubs won’t be paying all of his salary, though it appears it will be structured in a way in which Soriano’s salary will have little to no impact on the luxury tax threshold. This would make it more likely they keep Soriano on the team, as they can fill a spot without taking up cap space. Same idea with Wells. They should be looking to add (or retain with Granderson) an OF with a well above average bat. This trade likely means they won’t.
            There aren’t likely to be any impact bats realistically available on the left side of the IF. Depending on the status of Jeter and ARod next year, one or both will likely need frequent time at DH, leaving OF and C as the only spots to add impact bats. If they take OF out of the equation, that essentially makes Cano a must sign (likely resulting in a terrible contract) and means McCann is probably the only hope to significantly upgrade the offense.

        • Cool Lester Smooth

          I mean, Ichiro was the expected starter until this happened, so I’ll just count my blessings if it’s all the same to you.

          • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting)

            My fear is the OF next year will be Ichiro/Gardner/Soriano with Wells as the 4th OF.

            • Cool Lester Smooth

              I’m hoping Future HoF Ronnier Mustelier (or anyone, really) pushes Ichiro to the bench and they cut Wells.

        • forensic

          Yeah, this is one of the biggest things for me too. I don’t really want to give up a possible prospect, but I can deal with it if it’s no one of real significance.

          But giving him a spot in next year’s OF sucks, especially when combined with Wells and Ichiro. Sure, they could just cut him, but they’ve shown an extreme unwillingness to do so with ‘established’ veterans, even if they’re not making much.

          Also, it’s just more of the same band-aid fill-ins with old players that just pushes back any chance of letting guys get settled into the Majors who may actually be able to contribute for the future.

      • Jimmy McNulty

        If a mid level prospect means Corey Black then no, he isn’t worth it. Keep in mind that this team fully intends to keep a roster held together by duct tape for at least the next two years. Mid level prospects can have upside. They can be recent draftees that are just about to hit their stride. Now I think the team has been too eager to hold on to assets in the past, that’s when they were actually…you know, capable of winning a world series.

    • A.D.

      If we think of the roster as:

      CF Gardner
      SS Jeter
      2B Cano
      1B Teix
      LF Soriano
      DH/3B: A-Rod/FA depending on suspension
      DH/3B: Nunez/Adams/FA depending on above
      RF: Ichiro/Wells
      C Romine/Cervelli/FA

      Not bad in my mind, and depending on Soriano structure they should be able to shed a ton of payroll from expiring contracts

  • Eddard

    As soon as Soriano walks through that door I want Travis Hafner DFA’d. He’s not even worth PH for Romine anymore since Romine is hitting better. Jete can take the place of Neal. They still need a RH 1B to help Overbay and it’s not Vernon Wells.

  • bring back the bullpen car

    and Ted Lilly was DFA!!!

  • Robinson Tilapia

    Just found out a friend of mine is going to be on the Bill O’Reilly Show tonight.

    • Pat D

      Uh oh. Why?

      • Robinson Tilapia

        L’hereux Lewis. Great guy. Replay is at 11. Didn’t get to catch it the first time around. Supposedly is on within the first 20 minutes.

        • Pat D

          Why was he on?

          • abu

            sounds like trayvon martin related

            • Pat D

              It wasn’t.

    • Pseudoyanks

      I’ll probably miss that. Bill who?

  • Steinbrenner’s Ghost

    From the twitter machine:

    Poor A-Rod. He just wants to get back to cheating at the game that he loves. Is that SO wrong?

  • Pat D

    Cliff Floyd is a schmuck.

    But I shouldn’t have expected anything different from someone on MLBN.

    • forensic

      You don’t think they should bat Gardner 8th with Ichiro and Lillibridge 1st and 2nd???

      • Tom

        Still better than ESPN BBTN

        Curt Schilling: “Mark Buehrle could be a valuable trade piece”

        This would be the same Mark Buehrle who will be making 19mil in 2014 and 19 mil in 2015. Teams must be lining up for that bargain.

      • Pat D

        Glad I’m not the only one who saw that.

  • Gonzo

    Hot off the presses guys! A-Rod and Paula Deen are opening up a restaurant together.

  • RetroRob

    I wonder what a mid-level prospect means in this case.

  • Joe

    Twitter seems to think Corey black is headed to Chicago

  • forensic

    George Brett has resigned already from the Royals Hitting Coach position? Well, that didn’t last very long.