Nov
02

Heyman: Yankees won’t make qualifying offer to Hughes, undecided on Granderson

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Via Jon Heyman: The Yankees will not make Phil Hughes a qualifying offer before Monday’s deadline and they are still undecided about Curtis Granderson. Our poll this week shows fans are very much in favor of making the offer to Granderson but not Hughes. Heyman also confirms Robinson Cano and Hiroki Kuroda will receive the tender while Joba Chamberlain, Boone Logan, and every other one of the team’s free agents will not. None of that is surprising.

Hughes, 27, simply pitched his way out of both a qualifying offer and a monster multi-year contract. I don’t know what kind of deal he’ll get this winter, but at his age, I expect it to be something short so he can rebuild value and go back out on the open market before his 30th birthday. Granderson seems like an obvious qualifying offer candidate given the lack of power in baseball right now, but apparently the team is afraid of him accepting and throwing a wrench into the all-important plan to get under the $189M luxury tax threshold. Sucks.

Categories : Asides, Hot Stove League
  • I’m a looser baby so why don’t you kill me?

    I cannot for the life of me imagine a scenario wherein he’d accept. He seems a lock to get at least a 2-3 year deal, even if at an AAV slightly under the QO price.

    • RetroRob

      Agreed. For the past month, Granderson’s agent has been taking about how they’d have to at least consider any QO, and planting articles I how Granderson loves MY and doesn’t a to leave. They aret eying to scare the Yankees into not giving a QO so there are no limitations on the number of teams who will bid I his services.

      If the Yankees don’t give him a QO I’ll be quite disappointed. This is one of those situations where even if they are wing they are only locked into him for one year. He’ll hit 30+ homers and the they can extend a QO again next year.

      I’m hoping this is just a rumor.

      • RetroRob

        Sorry on the typos. In an airport lounge on my phone.

        • Jimmy

          That’s about a 0.061 EPW for RetroRob on an iPhone in an airport so far this month.

          #sabremetric’d

      • 85wins

        Along with 200+ strikeouts

      • Laz

        I’d be happy to have him back at $14M.

      • Darden

        Please check your words before pressing send, this was a mind stretch to read.

        • RetroRob

          I stand by every unintelligible word!

    • Caballo Sin Nombre

      I really think they should make the QO, even if they don’t want him and think he might accept. He is quite tradable at $14M. Throw in $2M, and they would get a B prospect in return.

    • Revan

      Yeah that’s what everyone said about Hughes 3 months ago. Maybe the rest of the league doesn’t override the Yankees as much as we do.

      • Revan

        overrate* before any of y’all cherry pick.

      • OldYanksFan

        Granderson and Hughes are in different ‘leagues’. Grandy (in 4 yrs with the Yanks) is 20% better Offensively than the average player (120 OPS+…(Beltran has a career 122 OPS+)). Phil has a career 95 ERA+.

        One averages 1 WAR/yr, the other (in 4 yrs with the Yanks), 3.5 WAR/yr.
        (Guess which is which).

        Bad comparison.

    • qwerty

      Some team might offer Hughes a two year deal, but I doubt he’d take it. He’s coming off the worst season of his career and is not likely to make very much. If he takes an incentive laden deal or just a simple one year deal to pitch for some NL team he could see untold money after 2014 once he wins the NL Cy Young.

      • Dave

        He’s going for the Jaret Wright plan.

  • bill

    This shows that Hal doesnt know what he is doing there are several teams already interested in granderson and they will get a pick for him.
    Look at the Red Sox thay are going to offer a qualifying offer to Drew thats why the Redsox are a better run orgainzation.

  • EndlessJose

    Got to make an offer for Granderson. Someone will make him a big offer like the white sox. When he’s healthy he’s worth $13 million.

  • Claudell

    Amazing… Eight months ago the question was whether Hughes would pitch well enough for the Yankees to try to lock him up to a new long-term deal OR if he’d only pitch well enough for the Yankees to only make him a qualifying one-year offer. Then, by July, the question was whether or not the Yankees would even make the qualifying offer. Now, there’s almost zero chance that will happen.

    I can’t think of the last time someone’s fortunes dropped so quickly.

    • ClusterDuck

      “I can’t think of the last time someone’s fortunes dropped so quickly.”

      Fortunes that drop so quickly could quickly rebound too for Hughes.

      That said, Hughes had a terrible year.

    • Revan

      Compared to the overall fanbase, only a small minority would even think of a long term deal to someone with a 4.56 FIP. A very, very loud minority but a minority nonetheless.

      So no his fortune hasn’t really dropped. He’s been awful for three years. Everyone claiming he was a lock for a 10 million dollar AAV was sipping on kool aid.

    • qwerty

      Which is precisely why I advocated trading Hughes last winter. it seems Cashman has been waiting years for some team to wow him with an offer and one never appeared.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      That’s what having an incredibly lousy contract year will do.

  • Kosmo

    Yanks might be seriously planning a change of direction that doesn´t include Granderson and are concerned he´ll accept the QO to rebuild his value to make a stronger run at a 3-4 year deal in 2015.

  • Frank

    My head hurts. Ok to add onto Jeter’s number, ok to offer Ichiro two years, ok to pay wells 13MM to do nothing but not ok to offer a QO to granderson. Can’t wait for cano’s 15/450 contract to be signed. Smh

    • Caballo Sin Nombre

      Wells’ $13M was 2013. He only costs ~$1M against the 2014 goal of $189M.

      • qwerty

        It’s good thing Wells only cost the yankees 14 million. Pinch hitters are mighty expensive these days.

  • http://FB Greg

    As much as i love Granderson let him go. You can’t have a guy stikeout over 150 times a year. There are plenty of outfielders on the market.

    • 85wins

      Agreed! Outfielders are a dime a dozen and hopefully the Yankees let Granderson and his 240 average and 200+ strikeouts go and bring in someone like Ellsbury, Choo, Beltran. A signing of any of those two you’ll see how quick Yankees fans forget who Granderson is.

      The only way I sign Granderson is if they package Gardner or trade Gardner and still sign Choo, Beltran while moving Granderson down to the number 6 or 7 hole in the lineup along with that other homerun or bust Tex.

      Get younger aor better players in here who can get on base and move the crap down. Gardner, Granderson, Tex.

    • RetroRob

      You’re so right. Let’s get a guy who strikes out 50 times and hits five HRs.

  • Mike Myers

    I dont see the downside. If he accepts the QO..

    A) its a great deal if you want to keep him
    B) You could easily trade him. anyone would take him for that

    • Caballo Sin Nombre

      Agree 100%. There’s no risk here.

  • CONservative governMENt

    No offer to Granderson is a bad sign of conservative business as usual in Yankee land.

    They used to able to justify conservatism in terms of drafting, contract extensions, arbitration offers because the might of their wallet could bludgeon the league.

    I will be sad if this continues.

    • Jimmy

      What’s with the political handle? Are you a such better person than conservatives that you feel the need to insult them on a baseball blog?

      • Mr. Roth

        Lighten up, no need to be so conservative about someone’s name on a baseball blog. Quit trying to con him into changing his name.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        Beats naming yourself after a penis. Oh, wait….

      • I a looser baby so why don’t you kill me?

        In my case, yes. I am a better person.

  • ClusterDuck

    Forget Granderson. Yanks needs Elsbury and/or Beltran.

  • scooter10

    I would rather have Beltran or Choo.

  • scooter10

    Granderson has degraded the past 3 years. I realize that Beltran or Choo would cost more than $14m per year but they would provide far better performance. I would pass on Ellsbury, injury prone and we already have a cheaper alternative in Gardner.

  • Bob Buttons

    I’m gonna make a Hal mannequin and kick it in the groin area really hard if they dont QO. I think Granderson is still tradable at that price if he accepts it, and at the worst you get a power OF bat, which is necessary with our former big bats, Tex and ARod going downhill for the past x years.

  • Robinson Tilapia

    Also, only the Marlins need to meet an 18.9 mil threshold.

    • I’m a looser baby so why don’t you kill me?

      Houston too I believe.

  • Robinson Tilapia

    All speculation, but it’s be rather stupefying to worry about Curtis accepting a one-year, 14M deal the day after Jeter’s deal. Just don’t know what to say there.

    • I’m a looser baby so why don’t you kill me?

      Yeah. Someday Cashman is going to write his autobiography and I expect a chapter on every single signing, non-signing, trade, and non trade. And I expect it will be epic and glorious and completely awful to hear exactly how the sausage gets made around here. This is some utterly crazy shit.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        I’m expecting the opposite to be true. This is all probably rather boring behind the scenes.

  • http://www.twitter.com/mattpat11 Matt DiBari

    I’m really not sure when exactly Phil had pitched himself *into* a “monster multi year deal.”

    The entire argument seemed to be youth. Nevermind that he’s been stalled out at “not very good” for three years now and he’s not exactly the picture of health. He’s youngish and that’s all that matters I guess.

    • The Big City of Dreams

      The entire argument seemed to be youth.

      —————–

      Pretty much yea. The cards were in his favor to cash in if he repeated his 2012 season. He wasn’t going to make 100+ million but definitely in the 5 yr 60-75 million dollar range.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        It was also that, as a relatively healthy pitcher, he could still get paid as a mid-back innings eater, yeah, on the right side of 30. He did nothing to assure you he could do that this season.

    • CashmanNinja

      As early as the beginning of the season there was talk about whether or not to sign Hughes before he hit the market. This was assuming he pitched like he had in the past. He obviously fell flat on his face. Sure he’s still young and a team will gladly risk a short term deal on him of 1 or 2 years. But Hughes will probably go for 1 year to rehab his value and hope to get a much bigger contract afterward. He had youth and “stuff” on his side, but even though he can easily get 2 strikes on hitters…what good is a fly ball pitcher who gives up home runs and simply can’t get strike 3? Some team that is desperate enough will try to land him in hopes that they can turn him into a strike out guy. Sad that he didn’t pan out to what we had hoped, but he clearly needs a change of scenery.

      As for Granderson…plain and simple we have to offer him a QO. Even if he accepts it, power hitters like him who aren’t relegated to 1st/DH have value. He still has some speed, but strikes out a ton and has a low batting average/OBP. He’s still worth $14 mil so if he accepted it then it wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world. He’d be trade-able at that price tag or could be used by us. I’m hoping a team like the White Sox will land him, but at the end of the day it isn’t gross overpaying for him and it’s not like it’d impact the $189mil plan as much as other moves could. I’d rather he accepted the QO than Hughes…

  • dars

    Pick Jose Veras and Matt Thornton cheaply, $2.5 M each and start giving some shape to the bullpen. Thornton, Cabral, Betances, Veras, Kelly, Robertson is a cheap and solid bullpen. If the Red Sox let Andrew Bailey go pick him cheaply too.

    Get Tanaka or Garza and a reclamation project pitcher (Haren or Johnson.

    Sign McAnn and Beltran and get Mark Reynolds and Brendan Ryan and we have the makings of a decent team.

    Line Up
    1 Gardner Cf 2. Jeter DH 3. Cano 2B 4. Soriano LF 5. Teixeira 1B 6. Beltran RF 7. McAnn C 8. Reynolds 3B 9. Ryan SS

    Bench: Nunez, Romine, Ichiro and Wells

    SP: Sabathia, Nova, Tanaka, Pineda, Haren
    BP: Phelps, Veras, Thornton, Cabral, Betances, Kelly, Robertson

    • I’m a looser baby so why don’t you kill me?

      You forgot to cut Wells.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      The bottom of that lineup scares the day lights out of me.

    • CashmanNinja

      I don’t like Wells coming back because I think having him with Ichiro is kind of redundant. I also don’t like Veras at all. He had his chance here and couldn’t cut it. Thornton could work, but I actually like the “lesser name” relievers more. I feel they’re so volatile that it’s best to get guys who work instead of the bigger names. Shawn Kelley was an example of that.

      I do like the idea of getting Reynolds and Ryan back. I feel they each offer depth and are good bench options. I also like the idea of getting Beltran even though he’ll cost a pick. I simply like the guy and feel it’s about time he wound up in Pinstripes, plus he’s great in the postseason.

      Tanaka is simply a must have in my opinion. He’s my #1 free agent this off-season. I want him in this rotation badly. Garza is alright, but he didn’t fair too well in the AL when he was traded. The only positive is he wouldn’t require a pick. I also actually like Haren, a lot. I don’t expect him to replicate the numbers he put up a few years ago, but I think he could be an absolute steal as a #4 (maybe a #3) for a year.

      Then there’s McCann. I’m on the fence with him. On 1 hand he fits a huge need, but he’ll cost a lot ($75-100 mil) AND require a pick. Plus he’s on the wrong side of 30 now. Plus he’s had a rocky last few seasons — very inconsistent because of injuries. I’m just “meh” with him, especially since he’ll need to DH the last year or 2 of his deal, so we’ll probably get him for behind the plate 3 out of 5 years, then DH the last 2 :|

  • Nathan

    Offering Granderson a QO should be a no-brainer:

    – If he signs elsewhere, they get a pick
    – If he accepts, they get him for a one year deal.

    Seeing as how the Yankees need some power in the lineup as well as young talent, offering Granderson will fulfill one of those needs.

    • CashmanNinja

      This. It’s a win-win situation. Either we get him back for a short term deal without much overpay, or he signs elsewhere and we get a pick. Bam.

  • CONservative governMENt

    Blog handles are akin to bumper stickers – I don’t accost people in the parking lot with ‘NOPE’ stickers on their vehicles. Lighten up.

    Its already been disputed about how much savings the Yankees will actually see with this $189M budget. Is it possible that revenue lost via boring team/lower ratings will negate the benefits?

  • Dicka24

    It would be incredibly moronic, and an extremely poor business decision, to not offer Granderson the QO. If the team actually does that, as in is stupid enough to not offer it to Grandy, then we should all seriously worry about the competence at the top.

    Why wouldn’t they offer him a QO? He declines, you get a draft pick, or you resign him. He accepts, you keep him for a year, or you trade him. There are a dozen teams that would take Granderson on a 1 year deal for $14 million. Absolute worst case, you eat a couple million in doing so, but you’d get a good piece in return. 40 homer power is no where to be found in the league anymore, and to sign such power in free agency, costs you a ton. Grandy is a prime time opportunity for the Yankees to get power short term, or as an asset to trade. To me giving him a QO is a no brainer.

  • Mouse

    It’s scary that Yankees management is not sure whether or not to give Granderson a qualified offer. I mean it’s a no brainer as they get.

    They are fine giving Vernon Wells $14 million but hesitant to give Granderson that amount? How stupid can they be? Granderson is a much, much, much better player than Wells at this point in their careers.

  • Farewell Mo

    Like RT alluded to above, how the fuck can they give Jeter 12 million yet not wanna risk Granderson accepting 14 million when their outfielders are over the hill Ichiro, dead cat bounce Soriano and Gardner with nothing worth a shit ready in the minors.

    This team is being run more like the Knicks every day.

  • fred robbins

    to give Jeter 12 million dollars shows any fan that Yankee Ownership and Management have no desire to build a team with young hungry players. To even think that Jeter can be the starting short stop for a championship team is the kind of thinking that will keep the Yankees from the playoffs for years to come. There is no desire here for players like Paul O’Neil or Scott Brosius… just faded out injury prone ex stars. This will be a team without a left side of the infield and a broken down pitching staff and a 1st baseman who continues to slide each year and is now a pull hitting strikeout machine like Granderson

    • WhittakerWalt

      Someone has a pretty faulty memory, if they think Scott Brosius was “young and hungry.”

  • bigweiner

    Wouldn’t be the worst thing if Granderson accepted the qualifying offer.

  • aluis

    You’ think that this was a no-brainer, but re-signing Russell Martin was too and we all know how that one turned out.