Dec
02

Monday Night Open Thread

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Fair or not, I will probably always remember Chris Stewart as the guy who struck out on two strikes. He was so awful in the second half and that just seemed like the ultimate rock bottom. Stewart is a backup catcher who was miscast as a starter, and that is on the team, not him. The Yankees planned on giving him significant playing time, they admitted it before the season, but it was a plan that was doomed to fail. Frankie Cervelli saved their bacon for a few weeks in April before suffering what amounted to a season-ending hand injury. The Yankees agreed to sign Brian McCann last week and traded Stewart to the Pirates today, a move that makes sense for both sides. He can be a backup and the Yankees have a real starting catcher.

Anyway, here is tonight’s open thread. The Saints and Seahawks are the Monday Night Football Game, plus both the Rangers and Devils are playing. It goes without saying at this point that there’s some college something on somewhere. Talk about Stewart, McCann, any of those games, or anything else right here. Have at it.

Categories : Open Thread
  • forensic

    I think people are getting way too excited about this Chris Stewart trade.

    Just wait until the PTBNL is… Chris Stewart.

    Never forget Cashman’s 80 troll tool!

    • ropeadope

      Stewart would be the new Harry Chiti (also a catcher).

  • Wayne

    Just heard the actor Paul walker died in a car accident. Yeah speed kills man! Condolences to the Walker family!
    REST IN PEACE PAUL!

  • mustang

    Twins “Nolasco’s deal is a four-year, $49MM pact with an option for 2018,….Nolasco’s deal will give him a partial no-trade clause that will allow him to block trades to three clubs”

    WOW!!!!….. I’m serious is there something going on that I don’t know? Please guys I’m calling on all the sabermetrics people help me make sense of this because i just don’t see it.

    • mustang

      This happen Wednesday and he passed his physical today I totally missed the signing on Wednesday.

    • Wicomico Pinstripes

      It’s not a bad signing. He’s a reliable innings eater( at least 185 IP in five of the last six years) and has decent peripherals. Career 3.52 K/BB ratio and a 3.76 FIP. Edwin Jackson received a similar deal last year( 4/52 I believe) but had a lower career K/BB ratio and higher FIP. Those numbers don’t mean everything but they seem to be pretty good indicators of talent level.

      Minnesota might have had to offer a higher AAV or more years because they just aren’t that desirable of a location. They do have a good home park to pitch in but haven’t contended in a few years and don’t quite seem to be on the verge of contending either.

      • mustang

        Thank you. Still seems like a lot to me but I guess I better start adjusting to the sticker shock of MLB starting pitching.

      • Wicomico Pinstripes

        Also, there’s inflation, t.v. deals, and all that jazz.

    • Tom

      Nolasco has been one of those guys who’s ERA has never matched his peripherals.

      His career ERA- is 108 (8% worse than average)
      His career FIP- is 92 (8% better than average)

      It seems like a bet that his ERA and actual performance will catch up to his expected performance (FIP, SIERA, xFIP, etc) – normally that’s a decent bet, but when a guy has a consistent mismatch (like Nolasco), you have to start wondering if it’s not an anomaly.

      I actually like the deal and don’t think it is crazy as people seem to think. He’s also been very durable – at least 180 innings in each of the last 4 years.

  • mustang

    “Nationals Acquire Doug Fister From Tigers”

    They probably give up Bryce Harper at these prices.

    LOL

    • Tom

      The early reports being rumored don’t seem to be like they gave up all that much

      Lombardozzi – not much more than a replacement level 2nd baseman/utility guy at this point
      Robbie Ray – lefty pitching prospect
      Ian Krol – lefty bullpen arm

      Maybe I’m missing something but this seems like highway robbery by the Nats. At this prospect price I would have loved to have seen the Yankees take a run at him.

      • mustang

        Thanks, Tom

        I was writing below before i saw this.

      • Farewell Mo

        Yep.

        Seems like the Yankees could have easily put together a similar if not better package than Detroit got and it would have been well worth it.

      • nycsportzfan

        I agree. I always here that yanks don’t matchup because of a weak farm, yada, yada, yada, and then you’ll see a trade and be like, What??lol

        I don’t get it sometimes.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          Not every trade is going to involve the New York Yankees.

    • mustang

      “The Tigers have officially announced the deal, which will send Fister to the Nationals in exchange for Lombardozzi, Krol, and Ray.”

      Hey, Mike or anyone know anything about these guys? I know very little about minor league prospects especially from other teams, but 2 lefties and second basement sounds like a nice hull to me.

      • mustang

        Can someone tell me what the Yankees equivalent would be in prospects?

        Early reports say the Tigers got robbed.

        • Danny

          Tough one, maybe something along the lines of Nunez, Cabral, DePaula/Banuelos …. No good direct comp here, Lombardozzi is a Util guy, Krol a solid middle reliever and Ray should be a solid MOR arm, the guys at BP said they would rank him as the Tigers 2nd best spec.

          • mustang

            Wow! Really

            What the fuck is going on?

            There no place like home, There no place like home……

            • Cool Lester Smooth

              God dammit! I just came here to say that we should have had him at that prices.

          • Farewell Mo

            I think DePaula or Banuelos are probably both better prospects than Ray who according to Keith Law projects as a back of the rotation starter

            • Robinson Tilapia

              I would agree with that.

              I’d have loved for the Yanks to be in on him.
              I’d had loved for him to hit a HR in an inter league game, just to hear Sterling’s HR call for him.

              • Lukaszek

                “Doug fisted one!”

                or…

                “Fister dug one into the seats!”

                or maybe even…

                “Yo, wassup Doug?”

                as last resort…

                “Do it Dougie-style!”

    • Bob Buttons

      Rumors say the PTBNL is from the group group of Harper/Zimmermann/Zimmerman/Strasburg’s firstborns.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        It’s just a vial of Harper’s sperm.

        • Bob Buttons

          Just one vial? Dombrowski failed.

  • forensic

    Two years and $8 million for Dioner Navarro? Two years and $22 million for Scott Kazmir?? Doug Fister traded for what appears to be spare parts???

    Is this some alternate baseball universe I just stumbled upon?

    • Wicomico Pinstripes

      I was pondering the same thought. Quite baffling to tell you the truth. There has to be more to this.

    • mustang

      Thank you forensic thank you.

      Its not just me in the baseball Twilight Zone.

    • Bob Buttons

      It all happened sometime last year. When the Yanks cheaped out they broke the baseball universe.

  • Steve (different one)

    Could the Tigers just be clearing salary for something big? Didn’t Jay-Z and Eminem tour together….

    • forensic

      If you count re-signing some of their starters as something big, then yes (as a result of the Fielder deal).

      Trading Fister doesn’t really clear much salary. He’s just entering his first arb year.

      • Need Pitching & Hitting

        2nd arb. year, fwiw, and he was projected at $6.9M.

        Not even enough to get one year of Phil Hughes.

        • forensic

          Oops, misread BR. Thanks.

  • Betty Lizard

    25 page article on Alex Rodriguez in New York Magazine. Looks like terrific reading for Alex lovers (me) or Alex haters (not me) or those who love the drama of “As the MLB turns” (definitely me).

    Off to read my iPad version.

    • ropeadope
    • forensic

      25 pages? That’s way too long. How about a reader’s digest version? :-)

      • Betty Lizard

        25 “pages”. Quick but horrifying read and sensitive approach to someone with great gifts and a complex and flawed personality. No heroes, but for my money no one can look worse than MLB.

        I miss Hunter Thompson. He could do a great version of fear and loathing in Miami.

        • ropeadope

          Be sure to read the Gary Jones affidavit referenced in the article.

          http://images.nymag.com/images.....davit1.pdf

          • Betty Lizard

            Love how Jones videoed MLB’s first purchase of stolen documents–and so, apparently, did MLB! And the description of the second purchase by MLB of documents stolen from Fisher’s car which Jones just “had” (after Fisher was set up with a new tanning elixir, LOL).

            And now I feel a strange desire to go to Cosmos Diner in Pampano Beach.

            • ropeadope

              Jones must be some piece of work.

              If you make it down to the diner, go with the Seafood Platter. With Pompano Park (harness racing) situated nearby, I’d avoid all types of “burgers.”

              • Betty Lizard

                Hee.

        • forensic

          So I decided to read it (as a fellow A-Rod fan). MLB certainly seems to look much worse than him from this. Lots of fine, upstanding citizens involved, that’s for sure.

          Also, for a place with a ton of beaches and lots of free sunshine, it sounds like there are about a million tanning salons down there.

  • Bob Buttons

    I want the Yanks to take a look at Bailey, Kalish and Hanson.

    • http://www.penuel-law.com/ Cuso

      I want Dr. Van Nostrum to take a look at this mole on my back.

    • forensic

      Yuck…

  • http://www.penuel-law.com/ Cuso

    I’m looking at this Fister trade and imaging both sides attempting to free themselves up to make a run at Cano.

    Which really means the fister deal has no bearing on Cano one way or the other.

    • http://www.flickr.com/photos/roadgeek Roadgeek Adam

      Washington has a 2nd baseman, and this Fister deal is really crap. Lombardozzi is a bench player, Krol was a failing lefty arm and Ray is the No. 7 prospect in the system. They wanted Taylor Jordan, and even if they did, I still think this is pathetic.

      • http://www.penuel-law.com/ Cuso

        I agree with all of that except the Washington having a 2b thing. Rendon won’t prevent Natties from pursuing Cano.

        They may not try, but it won’t be because of Rendon. There’s still a chance they give up on Zimmerman at 3B and move him to first while shifting Rendon back to 3B where he was before last year.

  • Farewell Mo

    With Strasburg, Zimmerman, Gio and Fister, the Nats might have the best rotation in baseball.

  • Tom

    This is pretty much the 2nd time Fister was dealt for a whole bunch of nothing.

    I guess since Dombroski basically stole him from SEA a few years back for Furbush and Casper Wells, he must have felt the need to pay it forward?

  • W.B. Mason Williams

    Man Johnson just got traded to the A’s. There goes 4-5 blown division saves the Yankees were probably relying on…

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Oakland obviously clearing out second base in order to give Robbie $300 million.

      #somethingsomeonewillsay