No more mentions of Brandon Phillips, please

BooneNo.jpg PhillipsNo.jpg (Bob Levey/Getty Images)

BooneNo.jpg PhillipsNo.jpg (Bob Levey/Getty Images)

No. That is the only appropriate reaction to any suggestion that the Yankees should trade for Brandon Phillips in the event that Robinson Cano signs elsewhere. It might make sense in a superficial way. Phillips plays second base! He’s viewed as a very good player! He’d instantly fit into the Yankees lineup!

Please, take a moment to review the pertinent information. The case for Phillips isn’t nearly as compelling as his reputation might suggest.

He’s not a very good hitter

Despite his reputation, Phillips has been decidedly average during his career, a 96 OPS+ in his 12-year career. Granted, the first four years came in Cleveland, where he performed poorly, to be kind. Even if you lop off those years, he has a career 100 OPS+ — exactly average.

It seems Phillips’s reputation stems from the power he generated early in his career, and the outstanding season he produced in 2011. His 30-homer season in 2007 certainly stands out, as do his 88 homers from 2006 through 2009. Unfortunately, his power has taken a bit of a dip, as he’s hit 72 homers in the four years that followed (the most recent four years).

In 2011 Phillips enjoy by far and wide the best season of his career, a 118 OPS+. Yet it appears that almost the entire difference between his 2011 and the rest of his career rests entirely in batting average. His walk rate and power were nearly identical to his 2010 campaign. The difference was that he hit .300 (.322 BABIP). For his career he is a .271 hitter (.291 BABIP).

Signs of decline

It’s easy to forget, but Phillips turned 32 last season. Granted, he’s right on the edge of the cutoff — had he been born three days later, 2013 would have been his age-31 season. The fact remains that he’ll turn 33 in 2014, and his contract (more on that later) runs through his age-36 season. As you might imagine, decline is a serious concern.

In making points against re-signing Robinson Cano, many commentators have noted the poor aging curve for second basemen. The thing with aging curves is that they take the aggregate of a very large sample. While that has use when evaluating average players — average, as in Brandon Phillips — it’s not so good at projecting outliers. Given his production and durability to date, Cano certainly appears more an outlier than an average 2B.

Phillips, on the other hand, saw his power take a dip after his 20-homer season in 2009, hitting 18 in each of the last four years. That might not seem so bad, until you compound that with a decline in the number of doubles he’s hit*. His walk rate did rise from 2012 to 2013, but it’s still lower than the 6.5 percent rate he produced from 2008 through 2011. What was once a pretty good bat might not be a good one any longer.

*He hit 38, a career high, in 2011, after hitting 33 in 2010. Going from a career high 38 to 30, and then to 24 in 2013 isn’t necessarily decline. But it looks more that way when you eliminate the outlier and see that he’s gone from 33 to 30 to 24 from 2010 to 2013, minus 2011.

That contract!

Despite his pretty average bat, Phillips managed to cash in on his career year, signing a six-year, $72.5 million contract with the Reds. That contract runs through 2017 and still has $50 million remaining on it. That’s a huge chunk of change for a 33-year-old average player. People already love talking about how much the Ellsbury contract will hurt in 2020. I imagine the Phillips contract will hurt just as bad, if not worse, in 2017, and the Yankees aren’t even the ones who signed him to that deal.

Speaking of him signing that deal, he came to terms with the Reds just five days after teammate Joey Votto secured a 10-year, $225 million extension (which goes into effect starting this year). A little more than a year later he complained about how the Reds handled the situation — that is, he complained that they gave Votto, a superstar, his money before they gave Phillips, an average hitter coming off a career year, his. Yet he signed the deal anyway, probably because he knew that if he produced another average year in 2012, which he did, he wouldn’t get nearly that kind of money.

Given the current state of free agent contracts, perhaps Phillips’s isn’t among the worst in the game. But he’s still being paid like a very good player, when in fact he is average.

For Gardner?

In the wake of the Ellsbury signing, I’ve seen more than one person suggest that trading Brett Gardner for Phillips makes sense. As I outline above, that’s not a great deal for the Yankees based on Phillips alone. But did you know that Gardner and Phillips share similar career numbers? Did you know that they have nearly identical OPS+s in the last four years (Gardner is a single point ahead, actually)?

Gardner will likely make half of what Phillips earns this year. I’m willing to bet that the Yankees can sign Gardner to a four-year deal worth less than the $39 million Phillips is owed in the final three years of his deal. True, there is something to be said about positional need. There is also something to be said about value. In the next four years I’m willing to wager that Gardner is worth every bit as much as Phillips, both at the plate and in the field. Add in a substantially lower contract, and it’s a no-brainer.

To give up anything of value for Phillips, without getting back about half of his contract, is sheer lunacy. The Yankees might, in the near future, have a need at second base. They’d be better off handing the position to Kelly Johnson. Hell, they’d be infinitely better off signing Omar Infante, who will be far cheaper than Phillips, to fill the role. Infante is also an average hitter.

Phillips has name value, no doubt. But the Yankees have added plenty of that this off-season. Do they really need to give up real, live baseball players for Brandon Phillips, an average hitter who is paid like a very good one? Paying for their own free agents is one thing. Paying for the mistakes of other teams? Only if it comes with a pot sweetener. Something tells me that’s not the mindset the Reds have in a potential Phillips deal.

Categories : Rants


  1. nyyankfan says:


    Almost as stupid as the “they should have dealt Cano at the deadline for prospects and then resigned him” comments

  2. WhittakerWalt says:

    Urgh, please just sign Cano so we don’t have to entertain ideas like this one.

  3. UncleArgyle says:

    The ONLY way I’d swallow trading for Phillips is if he was sent over along with Homer Bailey. But I highly doubt the Reds are that desperate to get rid of Phillips.

    • Steve says:

      Brandon Phillips was seen on a flight to Cincinnati from Atlanta to attend this weekends Redsfest where he is a fan favorite. Up to now he was unlikely to attend. Phillips dissed his boss after getting the money, not good. He was hitting much better prior to an early season elbow hit from a fast ball, he did have 102 RBI’s batting out of position, fourth. Bailey could be packaged but the Reds seek young pitching which the Yankees don’t seem to have in their system right now. Nothing on their top ten prospect list excites me. Well, maybe they would. Phillips Erwin, last years number one pick out of Sanford college is an impact outfield whose star is rising quickly. With speedster Billy Hamilton set to emerge in center, one wonders if the yank are back in. Drew Stubbs was dealt five days after his appearance at last years Redsfest. there are hard feelings between Castellini and Phillips. Boo Hoo, you dissed me by giving me 72 million dollars. I would hold a gun to Cashen’s head and make him eat Ryan Ludwick’s 12.5 million too. He is damaged goods after the shoulder injury. I could see it, and would be happy to drive Phillips from Cincinnati to NY. The circus left town when the Bengals traded Chad Lococinco. BP was a model citizen until he got the money. Calling a Reds scribe a fat m’f’er in Dusty’s office was the beginning of the end for the Reds in 2013. Dusty just grinned and said, “It’s between you two. It was at that point Dusty lost the clubhouse. Castellini has very deep pockets from his produce business and that’s proven by the fact he ate the final year and 3.5 million owed to Dusty. Walt made nice with BP two days ago saying I am no longer actively shopping you. that is like the proverbial vote of confidence given to lame duck coaches. Bailey can go to, we have lots of pitching on the 40 and also just drafted. What can the Yankees offer in trade. Never say never. This ain’t over. Millionaires fighting billionaires never works.

  4. nycornrstone says:

    OK how about the angels Kendrick’s if Cano leaves ?

    • WhittakerWalt says:

      I guarantee if that happened he’d just be one more of those guys who kills the Yanks when he’s hitting against us, but promptly hits like crap against everyone else.

  5. Frank says:

    I’m not an advocate of trading for Phillips and most of your points are right on. But please don’t mention his contract as a negative when the Yankees just grossly overpaid for Ellsbury. $50M for 4 years of Phillips, I would argue, would be a bargain given the fact, at minimum, he’s an above average defender.

    • Need Pitching & Hitting says:

      But please don’t mention his contract as a negative when the Yankees just grossly overpaid for Ellsbury.

      So because the Yankees have given out other very questionable contracts, contract status shouldn’t be a consideration ever again?

      That’s just brilliant.

      • Robinson Tilapia says:

        We now all have to speak well of Vernon Wells. Damn you, Jacoby Ellsbury.

      • Mike HC says:

        I have actually been liking the Yanks general free agency strategy of recent years. Either overpay for top talent, or go scrapheap. Obviously last season the Red Sox had sucess with signing a few mid tier guys, while the Yanks sank with scrap heaps. But there were other factors involved and that was just a single season.

        • mitch says:

          Agreed. Any decent or better free agent is going to get overpaid in terms of AAV, total years, or both. Might as well overpay for premium talent. I have a feeling after Beltran, Grandy, Choo, and Cruz ink their deals, the Ellsbury contract won’t look nearly as ugly.

        • I'm One says:

          last season the Red Sox had sucess with signing a few mid tier guys, while the Yanks sank with scrap heaps.

          Or, you could say the Red Sox overachieved with mid tier guys and the Yankees overachvied with scrap heap guys. It was just better to overachieve with mid tier guys. :-)

  6. Barney G says:

    If they’re gonna send Gardner to Cincinnati let’s hope its part of a deal for a SP(preferably Homer Bailey)

  7. Robinson Tilapia says:

    You are a God.

    Hurry up with his damn croissant.

  8. Mike HC says:

    haha … well done. Agreed.

  9. Farewell Mo says:


    Just say no to an overrated soon to be 33 year old 2nd baseman who has been steadily declining over the last 3 years.

    Morons over at ESPN spent half the summer saying he was more valuable to the Reds than Joey Votto.

  10. Preston says:

    I like Phillips better than Infante, and Infante is likely going to get a big contract in this market, like 3/36 maybe. So if the Reds would kick in some dollars and maybe make it 4/40 for Phillips I don’t think it’s a terrible deal. I’m just not willing to give up anything substantial for him. Maybe one of the minor league relievers who are exposed to the Rule 5 draft or something. The Reds should just be happy to free up the money. Of course this is if and only if we don’t bring back Cano.

  11. Baked McBride says:

    for all intents and purposes, his prime ended the moment Yadi Molina got in his face years ago before his first AB after mouthing off

  12. nycsportzfan says:

    Agreed. Just roll with Kelly Johnson and/or Omar Infante if you have to. No need to get Brandon Phillips whos swing dosen’t look like it is gonna age well at all. It looks like the kinda swing that will get harder and harder to keep up with the hard stuff as he ages.

  13. Dalek Jeter says:

    AGREED (at just the title and the first 2 sentences. Now to read the actual article. Seriously though, I cannot tell you how much I think Phillips is the most overrated player in baseball.

  14. nycsportzfan says:

    Lets say the yanks add Mark Reynolds and are done with the offense. Is this our lineup opening day.

    Jacoby Ellsbury CF
    Derek Jeter SS
    Brian McCann C
    Alphonso Soriano RF
    Mark Texiera 1B
    Kelly Johnson 2B
    Mark Reynolds 3B
    Ichiro Suzuki DH
    Brett Gardner LF

    This would be a righty starting.

    • Dalek Jeter says:

      I’d much rather have Jeter DH and Ryan as the everyday Shortstop than give any sort of regular reps to Ichiro, especially at DH, as Ichiro’s only real value is on the bases/in the field.

      • Preston says:

        Or at least Ichiro in RF and Soriano at DH, I’m a little nervous about Soriano being the starting RF, he can’t really throw.

        • JGYank says:

          Ichiro can be his defensive replacement/pinch runner.

          Plus if we can live with Swish in right, Sori can’t be much worse and we need his right handed power in the lineup. The range we have in CF and LF will help make up for Sori’s arm in right. Like you said we can also DH him and play Ichiro if we need to.

          • IRememberCelerinoSanchez says:

            Nick Swisher was an above-average defensive right fielder for the Yanks.

            UZRs for his years in NY:


            • JGYank says:

              Yeah but his arm wasn’t great and the short porch really helped hide him and reduced the ground he had to cover. My point is that he and Sori both don’t have a great arm but Sori doesn’t have to have that for the reasons I mentioned. He shouldn’t have a problem covering ground in RF in YS and putting up decent defensive numbers, but I’m just not confident he’ll throw out enough runners.

      • UncleArgyle says:

        Totally agree with Jeter as the DH. Let Ichiro be Soriano’s defensive replacement in right.

      • nycsportzfan says:

        Ya, in this scenario its a righty starting, but if a lefty was starting, i’d be all for starting Jeter at DH and giving Ryan the SS job for the day. But against a righty, mines well let Ichiro and Gardy slap singles and get on for the top of the order. The thing i love about the lineup i posted is the speed from Ichiro right thru Jeter. Guys will be taking ex bases, hit and running, and hopefully flooding the bases for the likes of McCann and Sori.

    • Robinson Tilapia says:

      You mispelled “Robinson Cano.”

    • Preston says:

      Everything just looks so much better when it’s

      Jacoby Ellsbury CF
      Derek Jeter SS
      Robinson Cano 2b
      Alphonso Soriano RF
      Brian McCann C
      Mark Teixeira 1b
      Kelly Johnson 3b
      Mark Reynolds DH
      Brett Gardner LF

      • Preston says:

        Or better yet,

        Jacoby Ellsbury CF
        Carlos Beltran RF
        Robinson Cano 2b
        Alex Rodriguez 3b
        Brian McCann C
        Alfonso Soriano DH
        Mark Teixeira 1b
        Derek Jeter SS
        Brett Gardner LF

        Fuck 189 and fuck Selig’s witch hunt.

        • jsbrendog says:

          you forgot the police. totes fuck the police. seriously.

        • BamBamMusings says:

          That’s not a “better yet”. All the improvement the Yanks made this offseason into the clubhouse goes right out the window the moment the letters, AROD are pencilled into any lineup! NO THANKS

          • Robinson Tilapia says:

            Why would that be?

          • Preston says:

            Because he obviously ruined the clubhouse when he returned this season. Oh wait that didn’t happen. He just played pretty good baseball and helped us win some games.

            • BamBamMusings says:

              If you didn’t notice the air of tension around the team this year, you live on another planet.

              The one moment that helped bond the team was his beaning in Boston. That’s all he contributed!

            • Lets go Yankees says:

              This season was tough to watch and AROD had alot to do with that. If I’m a player on that team, I would likely have issue with the circus that came with him this year.

              • Cano Cango says:

                How is it ARod gets into every topic? Hopefully he never puts on another uniform A La Balco Barry!

              • Preston says:

                This season was tough to watch because we had below average players at most positions. A-Rod fixes that problem. If a player can’t handle the media circus he isn’t long for the NYY. So no need to pander to him.

    • Dr. Grenaldine says:

      I had to put a clothespin over my nose because this line up stinks that bad.

      The doctor needs some medication.

  15. D says:

    Brandon Phillips for $50M across four years ($11M, $12M, $13M, and $14M) is a pretty good deal as long as he duplicates any of his odd seasons since 2007 in at least three of the four years which means he has to break the cycle of having bad even years next year or 2016. He’s not good enough to trade Gardner for, though.

    I can’t see anyone wanting to take on that $50M so maybe the Yanks could get him by just giving up Nuno. Veteran Cesar Izturis or Nix could be their stopgap 2B or both could share the position and back up the other infielders. Their rotation would be Latos/Bailey/Leake/Cueto Cingrani with Nuno in AAA ready to fill the fifth starter slot for the rookie minimum if someone gets hurt or really sucks.

    I think an even years since 2008 Phillips is fine as long as he’s in the #8 slot and no higher because what more do you expect from the #8 hitter?

    Gardner LF
    Beltran RF
    Soriano DH
    Johnson/Reynolds 3B

    Just remember that Phillips wouldn’t have to be the man on the Yanks.
    If he posts his career slashline or around it with 20 HR and 80 RBI, he’s perfect.

  16. Loudog says:

    I believe we can say goodbye to the idea they are going to be under the 189 cap (unless A-rod is suspended). Not so much because they spent 22 million on Ellsbury but because they spent 5 million on Ryan and Johnson.

  17. forensic says:

    Thank You!!!

  18. Robinson Tilapia says:

    So you apparently can either be a Yankee legend, or some sort of pretend baseball legend because you helped a team whose only other addition on offense this season is Willie Bloomquist win a champio….I’m sorry, I can’t even say that without laughing.

  19. JGYank says:

    Agreed but I’m hoping we don’t get stuck with Kelly Johnson as anything more than a utility man. If he’s our starting 2b or 3b well than making a trade wouldn’t be out of the question at all. Like Gardy though and hope we keep him at least until he’s a FA.

  20. mustang says:

    Wow! Joe this is the second things we have agree on in a month.

  21. BamBamMusings says:

    Thank you Joe! Great Rant!

    If Cin thinks they are doing anyone a favor by trading Phillips’ contract top them, they are in for rude awakening!

    Now, if they want to talk ARod for Phillips, then I’m all ears!

  22. W.B. Mason Williams says:

    Mason Williams, Gary Sanchez, Rafael De Paula, Jose Campos, Jose Ramirez, Ivan Nova and Brett Gardner for the negotiating rights to Nate Schierholtz! Damn the torpedoes!

  23. mustang says:

    “That same source indicated to McCarron that the Mariners are pursuing Cano “guns-a-blazing,” and making the pitch to Cano that he can either be a Yankee legend or be a baseball legend by helping the Mariners win their first World Series.”

    Cano in that park on that team with basically no support around him is such a bad idea.

    • Jedile says:

      His avg will go up, but I think his HR numbers will be in the lower 20′s. 22Hrs / 333avg? maybe 80 walks, lulz

    • Robinson Tilapia says:

      The difference between “baseball legend” and “chump who went chasing dollars and wound up with nothing” there is pretty thin.

    • UncleArgyle says:

      Agreed. Cano would still be an Elite player in Safeco, but his power numbers would surely drop. And I’m not sure Cano has the personality to accept walking 100 times a year. My guess is that he would develop some free swinging tendencies (more so than he already has)

    • Preston says:

      If they’re willing to spend on more than just Cano they could possibly contend. They had a 117 MM payroll in 2008 and only have like 35 million committed to the roster next year. If Cano came, Seattle would suddenly be a more attractive landing spots for other FA. Adding Cano, Choo, Garza and bringing back Morales would probably be enough to make them a contender.

      Felix, Iwakuma, Garza, Walker, Paxton is a really good rotation.

      Choo RF
      Seager LF
      Cano 2b
      Morales DH
      Smoak/Montero 1b
      Zunino C
      Miller SS
      Saunders CF
      Ackley LF

      That’s the best lineup that Seattle would have run out in a long time and they could try and trade Ackley and/or Franklin who are both best suited for 2b to acquire an upgrade at either LF or 1b. Of course that’s if they are willing to push their payroll up that high…

      • FIPster Doofus says:

        How’d they go from meeting with Cano to signing Cano, Choo, Garza and Morales?

        • Preston says:

          They didn’t, this is completely speculative. They are in on all of those players though. And if you look at the payrolls they’ve had in the past they could reasonably be said to have 80 million to spend. The rumors have been that they want to make a huge splash. The problem for them has been nobody has been willing to take their money the last few years (for a combination of their record and offense sapping park). They’ve been spurned by elite FA the last couple years. Landing the premier FA might change other FA attitudes about coming to Seattle.

          • FIPster Doofus says:

            I doubt a Cano signing would open the floodgates to such an extreme extent. Cano is the best FA available and Choo’s second. It’s pretty optimistic toward Seattle to think the Mariners will land both. Add Morales and Garza, the top non-Kuroda/Tanaka SP on the market, and that’s probably upward of $400 million in long-term commitment for those four guys. I don’t see it happening.

  24. Nathan says:

    I have a feeling that Cano is gone. I don’t know why but I can’t shake the feeling. It’s the same feeling I had with Cliff Lee years ago when I just knew he wasn’t going to sign. Hopeful but knew he wouldn’t sign.

    I hope I’m wrong but I think some team will pay up and Cano takes the payday.

    • MB923 says:


      There are conflicting reports on how the team would be selected, as Bill Shaikin of the L.A. Times wrote this week that the posted player would be allowed to select from the teams that tie for highest bid.

      So it might not even go to the team with the worst record then after all.

  25. Jedile says:

    Gross there is now a 20MM (is that Multi Million Dollars?) limit on the posting fee. Let’s hope that Tanaka chooses us!

    Gotta think every team will post 20M

    • MartinRanger says:

      Where are you getting that?

    • Nathan says:

      If I’m reading it correctly on MLBTR, of the teams that bid the max, the team with the lowest win % would obtain negotiating rights.

      If this is the case, the Yankees would surely be locked out of Tanaka and likely all future Japanese stars. This will be like the NFL waiver system where teams block other teams from FAs.

      • MartinRanger says:

        They’ve been talking about that for a while though. Any indication it’s actually going to happen? I can’t see the Japanese teams or the players union giving that much ground.

        • Nathan says:

          According to a source, NPB is going to accept the $20M max bid and proposed posting rules (team with lowest win %, that puts in the max bid, gets to negotiate).

    • mitch says:

      Would be nice to have Kuroda sign on if that’s the case. Gotta think Tanaka would like to pitch on the same staff as Kuroda.

    • Robinson Tilapia says:

      Isn’t this still the “worst team” gets him?

      What an idiotic rule. The whole posting thing is just dumbassery to begin with.

      • mustang says:

        YES and YES

      • Preston says:

        There are conflicting reports about whether the player chooses or it’s decided by win percentage. But of teams rumored to be all in on Tanaka, Dodgers, Red Sox, and Rangers, the Yankees have the lowest win percentage. Although now that the bid is limited to 20 million I’m sure the Astro’s or one of the Chicago teams will make a max bid and take him.

    • mustang says:

      “Let’s hope that Tanaka chooses us!”

      He doesn’t have a choice I don’t think.

      “Under the plan, multiple teams could submit the maximum bid for a player, with negotiating rights going to the club that had the lowest winning precentage that year.”

      You across him off the Yankees list its total bullshit.

      • MartinRanger says:

        So Tanaka comes to the majors to make his name, and is forced to negotiate with the Chicago Cubs because they have been redefining futility since 2003.

        What absolute crap.

        • MartinRanger says:

          Basically the Astros might as well submit the max bid, because he’ll be forced to take whatever contract they give him, or return to Japan to enjoy the whole farce again next offseason.

          • mustang says:

            Yes Sir!

            Can someone tell me how is this even remotely far to the big market teams?

            Seriously its a total win for the small market teams.

            • mustang says:

              fair not far

            • MartinRanger says:

              It’s a loss for the actual players. Parity is all well and good but especially given that international players like Cespedes can be signed by whoever this is even more ridiculous. And unfortunately kind of typical of Selig’s ‘fix the game by ignoring reality’ approach to commissionership.

          • RetroRob says:

            Not necessarily. He could return to Japan for two more seasons and then be an unrestricted free agent.

            Being forced to come to the worst MLB team might actually give players some pause.

            • MartinRanger says:

              I’m pretty sure that’s exactly what is going to happen. The NPB gets their stars two more years and MLB teams have to wait longer. It’s still a terrible deal for the players.

        • mustang says:

          Not even the Cubs how about the Astros?

          20 million max bid is nothing for a MLB team.

          • MartinRanger says:

            Then it’s: sign a 5 year $35 million deal (if they are feeling generous). Or go back to Japan. Unless they will be re-posted if the first team doesn’t work out? Which is also a joke.

            • Preston says:

              I don’t see why the new system changes the contract a player would receive. Under the old system they could only negotiate with one team and players still got fairly reasonable salaries. And that was when teams were posting absurd amounts.

              • MartinRanger says:

                Because the Astros won’t be able to offer the sort of salaries that NYY or BOS or TEX can. But they can afford the posting bid.

                • Preston says:

                  That’s just not true. The Astro’s have had high payrolls in the past and have the ability to spend. Teams that can’t pay a players salary probably won’t be willing to win the posting. And a player won’t accept a lesser salary just because they’d have to go back to NPB, this has already happened several times.

                • MB923 says:

                  Good news (I posted it below but I’ll put the reply here)

                  - Bill Shaikin ?@BillShaikin 3m
                  Posting proposal: Player can negotiate with all teams that make max bid for rights. That means: FA bidding war!

    • BFDeal says:

      Next MLB rule: Only small market teams can participate in free agency.

    • MB923 says:

      There are conflicting reports on how the team would be selected, as Bill Shaikin of the L.A. Times wrote this week that the posted player would be allowed to select from the teams that tie for highest bid.
      So it might not even go to the team with the worst record then after all.

  26. Dr. Grenaldine says:

    Do you think the Yankees would like Robinson Cano more if he were Dr. Robinson Cano??

    I would :)

  27. Dr. Grenaldine says:

    Why is there no love for DLsbury?

    We have THE Brendan Ryan!

  28. MartinRanger says:

    Can you imagine if Matsui had been forced to go from the Giants, the Yankees of the NPB, to the Devil Rays or Tigers (c. 2003) because they were consistently awful?

    All this will do is decrease the number of Japanese players asking to be posted. Which I guess serves the NPB just fine.

  29. King of Fruitless Hypotheticals says:

    If we’re not trading Gardner for Bailey and Phillips, then have KJ play second and use the (theoretical) savings to get Beltran.

    Soriano, Ichiro, Beltran, 2 of three DH and play RF, and if Ichiro sat he comes in as a defensive replacement with Ryan in the 7/8th.

    • FIPster Doofus says:

      Who plays third?

      • King of Fruitless Hypotheticals says:



        • FIPster Doofus says:

          I’d be content with Johnson and Reynolds sharing time at third. However, to have both as everyday players along with Jeter’s carcass at short would be ugly. It just points to how badly the infield needs Cano.

    • JGYank says:

      Nah we need pitching badly so we should spend the money there. Unless we get Cano or Infante I’m not willing to spend much on any other positons besides a cheap 3B or 2B (if Arod is suspended or Cano doesn’t sign with us) and bench players.

  30. Mickey Scheister says:

    Well, based on the headline of this post, I guess my trade proposal sucked.

  31. MB923 says:


    Bill Shaikin ?@BillShaikin 3m
    Posting proposal: Player can negotiate with all teams that make max bid for rights. That means: FA bidding war!

    • Preston says:

      If multiple teams negotiate it means we can kiss a 10 million AAV good bye though. Which really limits the reason we were going after him in the first place.

      • Tom says:

        Yeah, this undercuts one of the key components of Tanka’s value to the Yankees.

        Long term this is probably a good thing, for plan 189mil (if it still exists), this is a really bad development.

        And depending on where they set the max, it also might not be good for just getting upper end talent from Japan. With a max posting bid, teams may be less willing to post superstar players and think they can get a better return holding onto to them for 9 (?) years of club control. And then just letting them go when the hit FA in Japan or posting them when they are just a year or two away from FA.

  32. Tom says:

    Can we add Mark Reynolds to the “no more mentions” list

    I have no idea how a guy who has been a replacement level player for the last 3 years (0.2 WAR, total) and whose bat is on a 3 year decline (and was below league average last year) gets so much run on this site as either a bench player or (tries to hold back the vomit) part of a platoon at 3rd base.

    The list of MLB players who have put up less value than Reynolds over the last 3 years (1500PA’s)

    Jeff “he’s got a cannon arm” Franceour
    Adam “I think he is” Dunn

    … and that is the the entire list!

    • Preston says:

      Getting 1500 plate appearances in 3 years means you’re a better player than most.

      • Tom says:

        Or it means teams are idiots for giving a guy that many AB’s or just aren’t competing/trying to evaluate a young guy (the guy right above Reynolds was Justin Smoak)

        Think Jeff Francouer would make a good platoon player for a team with playoff aspirations? (As getting that many PA’s must mean he is “better than most”)

  33. Cano Cango says:

    Infante is a much better option than Phillips. Just the fact that he doesnt need more than 2 years and will = the same production.

  34. Chris H says:

    The only thing I’d say is that “league average offense” at second is very good for the position. Now I personally don’t want Phillips and his contract but at second base he has been more than just an average player given the league wide offense at the position.

  35. Luke says:

    Not advocating a trade, but why no mention of Phillips’ defense? He’s a gold glover. Seems like this article focused on all of the negatives without weighing any positives.

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