Dec
06

Yankees agree to three-year deal with Carlos Beltran

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Carlos Beltran will finally get to wear Yankees pinstripes. The veteran outfielder has agreed to a three-year contract worth $45M with New York, report Mark Feinsand and Tim Brown. The contract is pending a physical. The Yankees will surrender their last remaining supplemental first round pick as compensation for the signing. Their second rounder will be their first selection in next June’s draft unless they sign another qualified free agent.

Over the last decade, the 36-year-old Beltran has made it very clear he wants to be a Yankee. Before joining the Mets in 2005, he approached the the Bombers and offered to sign at a discounted price, much to the dismay of agent Scott Boras. Then, before signing with the Cardinals prior to the 2012 season, Beltran gave the Yankees a chance to match the two-year, $26M pact he was about to take from St. Louis. New York passed both times but the third time is a charm. Hopefully it will be worth the wait. Cliche, cliche.

In 145 games and 600 plate appearances this past season, Beltran hit .296/.339/.491 (132 wRC+) with 30 doubles and 24 homers. That includes a .315/.362/.509 (144 wRC+) line against right-handers and a .252/.281/.448 (102 wRC+) line against left-handers. Everything you need to know about Beltran’s game is in our Scouting The Market post from a few weeks ago, so make sure check that out. He fits the lineup perfectly as a switch-hitter with power and patience, but he is not without his red flags at this point of his career.

The Yankees were reportedly holding the line at two years with Beltran, but they obviously changed their mind after Robinson Cano agreed to a ten-year contract with the Mariners on Friday. Beltran joins a revamped outfield that will also include new center fielder Jacoby Ellsbury. The club could use Alfonso Soriano as the everyday DH with Brett Gardner in left, or they could use Soriano in left and trade Gardner. They could also keep everyone and rotate. Lots of options and lots of time to figure it out. There’s nothing the Yankees can do to replace Cano but Beltran and the rest of the club’s additions will help pick up some of the offensive slack.

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  • Kvothe

    Well, that is one crowded outfield.

    • Fhcsfbb

      Are you kidding me ichiro and Vernon are both washed up backups. The outfield is just fine.

      • Kvothe

        I don’t have any confidence in the Yanks just giving up on Vernon or Ichiro, at least not in the beginning.

    • RetroRob

      Wells’ Yankee career just ended.

      Ichiro is the 4th OFer, defensive replacement, pinch runner.

      • Theo

        Soriano?

        • Frank Rinaldo

          3rd base

          • Theo

            Oh I had him closing.

        • Need Pitching & Hitting

          Gardner LF
          Ellsbury CF
          Beltran RF/DH
          Soriano RF/DH

          It’s certainly workable.
          And Soriano can sit against occasional tough RHP and Gardner or Ellsbury can sit against occasional tough LHP to allow some DH time for Jeter or McCann.

          • Theo

            Jeter’s legs fall off in spring training in your scenario

          • Tom

            This is how they should go.

            Heck just giving everyone normal time off, say 10% (which is ~145games played) frees up 40% of the DH time for Jeter and McCann

        • RetroRob

          Gardner, Ellsbury, Beltran and Soriano rotate with the DH forming the fourth slot, and Ichiro serving as the backup OFer. His playing time is going to be greatly reduced.

          • Jack P

            Hi my name is Derek Jeter and I’m going to need to DH half the season, did you forget about me?

            • Jack P

              ANd don’t forget Tex

              • Tom

                Why is Tex DH’ing?

                I have heard a couple of people say this now.

            • RetroRob

              Nope. Plenty to go around for these august group of players. None will be playing 150 games.

            • http://www.twitter.com/_swarlesbarkley Mark Teixeira – Ghostbuster (formerly Drew)

              That is why I think that Gardner is on his way out. No way that NYY is going with a full time DH with Jeter in the lineup. Also you need to give McCann and Teix days too.

              • Keller34

                I think someone is deffinatley on their way out.. Maybe the surplus of young catchers we have. But I don’t see them wanting to get rid of Gardner. They’re going for some depth just like they used to.

      • Wolfgang’s Fault

        Gardner dealt in a package w/prospects for a pitcher &/or infielder, ichiro gets dealt for a body, Almonte or someone like him starts year as the 4th outfielder, Wells is released; presto gizmo, they straighten out the outfield surplus.

    • Dave

      You’re wrong Mike Axisa. He’s not 38. He’s 36.

    • dalelama

      What a fricking disaster this front office is becoming. We are older and more expensive than last year and have lost our picks in the process. We will be lucky if Beltran makes it to the All Star break.

    • Jimmy D

      Just a thought out loud. Does it make any sense to trade Robertson for Kendrick and sign Balfour to close?

    • Jimmy D

      Does it make any sense to trade Robertson for Kendrick then sign Balfour to close?

  • The Thumb

    This is good.

    • nycsportzfan

      Its very good. Also, on a 162game avg, Cano and Ells are alot closer then you would think. Adding Ells, McCann, and Beltran, to Jeter, Soriano, Tex, and Gardner, is freaking insane! Are team is stacked!

      Now go get Grant Balfour, Paul Maholm, Garza or Tanaka(tanka if posted), and a lefty for the pen(maybe Matt Thornton?) to go with Cabral. Also bring back Mark Reynolds or trade for Dan Uggla..

      1). Jacoby Ellsbury CF
      2). Derek Jeter SS
      3). Carlos Beltran RF/DH
      4). Alphonso Soriano LF/DH
      5). Mark Texiera 1B
      6). Brian McCann C
      7). Mark Reynolds 3B
      8). Kelly Johnson 2B
      9). Brett Gardner OF with either belt or sori DH’ing?

      Staff
      1). CC
      2). Kuroda
      3). Tanaka or Garza?
      4). Maholm
      5). Pineda or Phelps

      Pen
      David Robertson
      Grant Balfour
      Matt Thornton
      Shawn Kelley
      Ceaser Cabral
      Warren/Nuno/ or Claiborne. Pref Warren or nuno as longman.

      • Mberk15

        “Are” team, eh?

        Let me understand this: you WANT Dan Uggla on the Yankees? You’re a Red Sox fan, right?

        • nycsportzfan

          Yes, are team, as in Fave team. And yes, i’d be fine having dan uggla in NYC, as we need more RH power, and in the Uggla scenario, we were unable to get Prado or Reynolds. Uglla might not be great at hitting for Avg, but he certainly can hit the ball outta the park, and he plays 2B, and he draws a fair amount of walks.

          • http://www.riveraveblues.com GT Yankee

            Dude I think he means it’s “our” team not “are” team

            • nycsportzfan

              well, whatever, the point was known all along.

              • VT Yankee Fan

                You understand that those two words are not even pronounced the same, right?

                Of course I can barely understand New Yorkers half the time so maybe you pronounce them the same, ha-ha.

      • Jimmy D

        Would you trade Robertson for Kendrick and Balfour to close?

  • Tony

    Trade Gardner for Brett Anderson

    • UncleArgyle

      I’d be pretty thrilled if that happened

    • Pseudoyanks

      Gardner and Romine for Bailey.

      • nycsportzfan

        I’d rather just sign Tanaka or Garza along with Maholm. Gardy could especially come in handy if Ells or Beltran go down with injury

        • Wolfgang’s Fault

          You can’t give Ellsbury a $153M 7yr. deal & expect to hold onto Gardner as his caddy; you just can’t.

          • Mikhel

            Of course you can, in fact you should. A good bench is key for a team to keep its inertia in the late weeks of the season.

            It is way better to have Gardner as a part time player than not to have him at all.

            See what happened with Granderson in 2013, the Yankees were not ready to assume that blow because their bench was weak, once Curtis went down the Yankees played Vernon Wells a lot because a lack of talent in their bench.

            Remember when Sojo, Vizcaíno, Strawberry, Hayes, Raines and Stanley+Girardi+Leyritz were part of the bench when they could very well been playing every day in other teams.

            Heck, they had to trade Mike Lowell because they already had a stacked bench.

    • 101010

      Anderson hasn’t had more than 150 IP since ’09. Do not want.

      • Wolfgang’s Fault

        Yeah, but I do. Lefty at the bandbox Stadium helps w/deeper dimensions for right-hand hitters. He’d do well in the Bronx.

        • nycsportzfan

          You dont’ get it though. He’d only do good if he was healthy, which he simply never is. How can he be good in the bronx, if he never plays?

    • lou

      Please for the love of god trade Gardner! Can my wish be coming true?!!!

      • Need Pitching & Hitting

        You really hate good, relatively young, cheap players don’t you?

        • Vincent Vega

          Most of his value is in his defense which isn’t as big of a factor now will Ellsbury in the OF.

          • Wolfgang’s Fault

            Gardner is actually still a work in progress, but w/$153M over 7yrs. to Ellsbury, & that they’re both so similar, the Bombers have made their bed & Gardner must now be dealt.

            • blee

              I like Gardy.. but a 30 yr old work in progress?

              • Wolfgang’s Fault

                Yeah, he’s actually becoming a better hitter. Hits w/more authority. When they drafted him he was a better athlete than a baseball player. He’s really learning how to hit, & if the guy ever learns how to drag a bunt, he’s a .300 hitter for next half dozen years. Hey, man, I wouldn’t have signed Ellsbury even though I think he’s a better player because the difference between the two aren’t all that great & Gardner is, like a said, improving & the intangibles are — here it comes — he’s a Yankee. Oh, well, the best laid plans of Mice & Men & all that.

              • viridiana

                Yanks have won championships with top-of-lineup duos like Ells and Gardner. Recalls Rivers/Randolph running wild in late 70s. Jeter (when he could run) and Knoblauch were dynamuic force as well. Gardner is very valuable player — especially now that full running burden isn’t on him. Wouldn’t trade him unless return was very good.

      • Mr. Roth

        Seriously? I understand wanting to move Gardner to bring back pieces that we need. I don’t get why people would just want to trade the guy simply for the sake of getting rid of him.

        He was our 2nd best player last year, yet he has haters? Did he bang your wife, or something?

        • Wolfgang’s Fault

          Too many holes to fill besides all the loose wives, & w/Ellsbury on board, Gardner can bring back useful piece(s). Had they ponied up earlier & resigned Cano for $200M @ 8yrs, started Murphy, Cervelli/Romine behind the plate, kept Gardner in CF, & just added Beltran, I think that would have been a solid foundation to build on going into 2014. What are you gonna do? Yanks now need at least one more starting pitcher, another reliever, & at least a second and third baseman to establish themselves in 2014 w/longterm issues at shortstop & first base on the horizon. Whew! Talk about 99 problems.

          • Mikhel

            Canó didn’t want 200×8, it is being reported he asked for 235×8 when the Yanks offered 175×7.

            Besides, lets say the NYY signed Canó+Beltrán.

            They still would need to fill a hole in 3B, OF, and starting pitchers. Now for the cost of 2013-Vernon-Wells (who is free in 2014) they have Ellsbury and for 6 million more of what Canó initially asked they have McCann+Beltrán+Johnson. Had they signed Canó for 25 I doubt 11 millions would have given them Beltrán.

            I still think Canó and his agents failed to propiately calculate for inflation and depreciation.

            If Canó signed for 25 per year for 7 seasons (175×7), then at age 37 he would be a free agent, and a serviceable 37 year old player nowadays is worth about 14-15 millions, in 7 years more my bet is that 20-22 millions will be the norm (specially when the qualifying offer right now is 14 millions).

            • Wolfgang’s Fault

              They should have resigned him back in the spring before he dumped Boras. They’ve gotta get more flexible about negotiating w/players during their walk years.

              • Mr. Roth

                They should have been trying to extend Cano last year. It doesn’t even make much sense to wait until his walk year. He’s great player, show him some love.

                • Twains Yankee

                  This is not getting enough attention. This will not negotiate policy is foolish. Lets hope the Dodgers adopt it.

    • Need Pitching & Hitting

      How many OF’s do the A’s need?
      They aren’t the Yankees.

    • FIPster Doofus

      Anderson is made of glass. No way in hell am I trading a player as valuable as Gardner for him.

    • JB Early

      Yes & yes…

  • Krazziness

    B.A.R.F.

  • KevinD

    YES!!! we got the MexEcutioner!! Welcome aboard Carlos

    • LiterallyFigurative

      Isn’t he Puerto Rican?

      • Mikhel

        Yes, he’s from the Island of Borinquen, Puerto Rico (a Paradise in earth).

      • KevinD

        he may very well be but it doesn’t flow the same

    • Mikhel

      That’s Joakim Soria and he hates that nickname.

    • lightSABR

      In baseball, the Mexicutioner used to be Joakim Soria, until he said he wanted people to stop calling him that. Google says some MMA guy named Joey Beltran is also called the Mexicutioner, as is Manny Pacquiao.

      • Mikhel

        Thanks for that info, I didn’t know about Joey Beltrán.

        Pacquiao’s nickname I remember it because it was not met very well because a newspaper used it emulating Joakim’s nickname, in great part it was not well received here in México because Pacquiao has a long list of beating Mexican boxers (though he was also knocked out by one).

        As for Joakim (who right now is getting ready to play winter ball, as well as now Anaheim Angel Jaime García), he didn’t like that nickname because it sounds like a hitman, and he’s from a mexican region that has been hit very hard by assasins (sicarios, in spanish) working for drug cartels in both sides of the border.

  • Frank

    Solid move…needed a bit more pop in the lineup and be fits in rf. I sense a trade coming which will make things even more jnteresting.

  • DERP

    meh

  • UncleArgyle

    Not thrilled at 3 years, but they needed a 3 hitter. Gardner is getting traded I imagine. I’d love to see him flipped in a package for Sandoval.

    • Slu

      Me too. Seems like Gardy is going to walk next year anyhow and Sandoval seems like a good buy low opportunity.

      • Winter

        San Francisco would have to be out of their mind.

        • Wolfgang’s Fault

          Throw in Romine & Betances & they might go for it. Would love Sandoval’s right hand bat & 3b. Maybe they throw in a projectable short or longer season A level pitcher w/a decent arm in a 3 for 2 & you’ve gotta deal.

  • MD

    Rather it be Choo. Still need another pitcher and 3b.

  • Wicomico Pinstripes

    This was inevitable. Just didn’t expect to see it get done so quickly.

  • mike_h

    ugh another aging player….would have loved Choo

    • Mr. Roth

      Choo? Ugh, another long term deal that wouldn’t nearly be worth it in the final years. [/sarcasm]

      No matter what they do it’s wrong.

      Either its a deal for an aging player, or a long term deal that is a few years too many. Hate to break it to you, but young all-stars don’t sign 1 year cpntracts.

      • mustang

        THIS!!!

        “No matter what they do it’s wrong”

        THIS!!!!

  • jim p

    So, we’ve got a wealth of outfielders now. If only there were one or two of them among the most ineffective bats in the AL we could get rid of. Maybe give some kid some time in the majors for late-inning, resting the old guys stuff.

    And did we really sign Kuroda? I see comments to that effect but I guess the Cano/Granderson news is overwhelming that.

  • warren

    Did gm’s just decide they wanted to get all their work done before the winter meetings and just have a huge party? This week has been crazy!! Mike, what is causing this?

  • MPierce

    Now sign Choo, make Soriano the DH, and trade Gardner for a 2B or 3B.

    • Pasqua

      Tex, Jeter, McCann, A-Rod (if playing) all need DH at-bats. You’ll have an expensive contract on the bench every day and end up losing out on a lot of production.

  • Eddard

    LOVE IT! Another big bat in that lineup. With all of the upgrades they’ve made they won’t miss Robbie Cano one bit. And when Cano loses his natural skills in a couple years he’ll just be a slow middle infielder with an albatross contract. No more Ichiro, Wells and Stewie. We’ve got Jacoby, Beltran and McCann. Big upgrades and they’re not done yet.

    • LiterallyFigurative

      Yeah….No.

    • KevinD

      Totally agree!! well said

      • Wolfgang’s Fault

        Had they decided Murphy was ready, they could have backed him up w/Cervelli or gotten a backup catcher, dealt or let Romine start the year at Scranton, committed to Gardner in CF, moved early to resign Cano for 8yrs. at $200M, & just inked Beltran which would probably have left them about where they are now & still with a supplemental pick for losing Granderson. I think I would have preferred this over what they’ve done. They still have lots of work to do to be competitive in ’14. Wonder which of our prospects will remain standing. No first or supplemental draft picks & the 2nd rounder is looking shaky as well. Sheesh! Regardless, I really believe Cano will be sleepless & miserable in Seattle. He’ll have plenty of dough to count though.

  • http://www.penuel-law.com/ Cuso

    Boom! That’s the one, baby.

    Now get some pitching.

  • ajr24

    I don’t get the uproar over three years. They could eat the $15 million in year 3 and it won’t make that much of a difference.

    • Fin

      For me its not about the money per se. Its more about counting on a guy turning 37 next year to be a middle of the order guy. At his age shit can go bad at any time, more injury prone, possibility of skills deteriorating. If they got 2 similar years out of him that he has been producing, I don’t think anyone have any issues eating a lot of that year 3 money.

      • ajr24

        Shit could go bad for Choo in year 3 and then you’re stuck with 3 years 60 million.

        • Fin

          Oh, I’m for the deal and don’t want Choo. That’s just the concerns I have. Its not so much the money, but now the Yankees at least for 2014 are relying heavily on a 37yr old player and we all know how volatile players of that age can be.

          • Wolfgang’s Fault

            Beltran has always wanted to be a Yankee, he comes in knowing he’s here to hit & stay healthy, & he’s comfortable knowing he doesn’t have to worry about doing this again in two years. That extra year is a peace of mind year. I think the deal really pans out for both him & the Yankees. Wish we didn’t have to lose the draft pick, though, but I quibble.

  • Erica

    ANOTHER outfielder???

    • Jorge Steinbrenner (The rarely heard-of sibling)

      THERE IZ NO SECOND BASEMAN WE NEED MORE OUTFIELDERZ

      WIERD SCREENNAMEZ

  • Kevin W

    Ohkay now Gardner + Phelps for Bailey or Pablo Sandoval

    • http://www.penuel-law.com/ Cuso

      Gardner + Murphy more likely.

      • Pseudoyanks

        Would love to keep Murpy and would go Romine or Cervelli instead.

        • Pseudoyanks

          I’d include Campos too.

          • Theo

            and Melky

            • Mr. Roth

              Trade Hughes and Joba for Kershaw!

              • Pseudoyanks

                Yes!

        • http://www.penuel-law.com/ Cuso

          Romine and Cervelli’s trade value is barely above nil. Murphy would be the price for Bailey (along with Gardner).

          • Pseudoyanks

            Yeah, that’s why I want to trade them and keep Murphy and would include Campos.

        • Wolfgang’s Fault

          Yes, agreed! Keep Murphy & if you must, deal Romine. Would like to hold onto both of them for the time being as they’re both quality prospects/players.

      • Kevin W

        Id be fine with that for Bailey. They get an inside track (theoretically) for resigning him after the year.

  • http://www.penuel-law.com/ Cuso

    I’m loving the lineup right now. Say what you want, but if Cash gets creative with trading a young catcher and/or Gardner at the meetings we are in business.

    • KevinD

      I think this is where Cash does his best work. The offence is much more spread out now. Time to focus on some pitching

  • Fin

    I’m not excited about having Beltran at 15m a year for his age 37-39 seasons. However, given he can hit in the middle of the lineup its probably the right move, just cross our fingers and toes and hope he has a lot left in the tank. Much rather have this than $100m+ contract for Choo.

    • mustang

      THIS!!!

      Well said!

  • Tom

    Not really a fan of the 3rd year, but this is probably better than overpaying Choo over 6 (?) years as someone will likely do.

    Hopefully this mean bye-bye Wells and Ichiro as a 4th OF (with Soriano and Beltran sharing RF/DH)

    Sadly I think they will trade Gardner – I say sadly because I don’t think they will get back what his value really is.

    • http://www.penuel-law.com/ Cuso

      His value is higher now than it would be in July. He’s 31 and will be a FA in 2015.

      • Tom

        Of course. I’m saying don’t trade him – use what might be the 2nd best OF on the roster (in terms of total package, WAR) and then let him walk.

        If they trade Gardner I assume they will basically have a LF/RF/DH rotation with Soriano/Ichiro/Beltran with Ichiro sitting when Jeter/McCann get some DH time

        That sounds good on paper until one injury means you have Vernon Wells getting significant playing time again.

        • Fin

          Why would they rotate Ichiro in? He cant hit at all. I think Sori/Els/Beltran would be penciled in everyday with Ichiro giving each a day off here and there. I think hes pretty valuable 4th OF’er since he can play all 3 spots.

          I also think/hope Wells is gone, he seems finished as a MLB player. Rather see Almonte take his place, he cant be worse but he could be better.

          • Wolfgang’s Fault

            Garder will be dealt for quality, either for another player or in a package, & Ichiro will be dealt for something. Wells will be released. Almonte or someone like him will be the 4th outfielder.

    • Farewell Mo

      Yep.

      He already showed signs iof decline last year. The Yankees could very well get only 1 good year out of this deal.

      • Wheels

        What were Gardner’s signs of decline?

        • Farewell Mo

          Not Gardner, Beltran.

          • Wheels

            ah, gotcha.

      • MartinRanger

        Adding 6 points of OPS+ is signs of decline?

        • Jack P

          Haterz gotta Hate

  • Tyrone Sharpton

    Now move Sori to 2B lawl. Love what New York is doing this offseason though.

  • http://www.penuel-law.com/ Cuso

    I love Gardner as much as anybody, but his trade value is up right now. That can be spun to fill a pitching need.

    • Fin

      Lol, the Yankees need to sign Choo to drive up the trade value of Gardner. He would become the best available outfielder.

      • http://www.penuel-law.com/ Cuso

        Gardner’s trade value is fine for the salary he makes and his WAR.

        Seeing as “only” Choo and Cruz are out there, Gardner’s value is extremely high right now.

    • Theo

      His trade value is down now that teams know we have to get rid of some outfielders. The time to trade him was before you signed all the FA outfielders.

      • Fin

        I don’t buy that. The Yankees don’t have to trade him. They could just go with Soriano as a full time DH and releaving any of the three outfielders when they need a day off. There is no salary dump needed with Gardner and the team may be better off if they keep him, if they don’t get what they want. It would just make Ichiro expendable.

        • Theo

          In what universe do the Yankees have the luxury of carrying a full time DH?

          • http://www.penuel-law.com/ Cuso

            In the Galaxy of Chili Davis

      • Mr. Roth

        Yeah…you couldn’t be any more wrong about this. They absolutely do not have to trade him.

        If they need to get rid of outfielders, they’ll cut Ichiro or Wells.

        • Theo

          They have to trade him if they want to extract any value from the outfielders they are carrying. Otherwise they are just dumping cash. And its clear the team still has many many holes to fill and not enough money to do it and dump cash and stay under cap.

        • Wolfgang’s Fault

          This isn’t emotional Sonny; its’ business. I really love Gardner & actually prefer him to Ellsbury on this club, BUT they’ve made their bed, & they have too many other issues to resolve. As a result, unfortunately, Gardner has to be dealt to help solve one or more of them. Hate to see him go, & life’s unfair, etc., but under the circumstances, Bombers have no choice now.

  • K_bassuka

    And the Yankees continue to add players to its wheelchair squad…

    • Betty Lizard

      “I lose my patience with this nonsense.”

      • k_bassuka

        Injury prone CF for 7 years, C coming from injury, and a 38 year old RF.

        Doubt that any of the current big money starters on the roster will be playing at an above average level half way through their corresponding contracts just saying.

    • LiterallyFigurative

      When was the last time Beltran missed significant time with an injury?

      • k_bassuka

        How long you expect a 38 yo OF to perform at a high level?

  • W.B. Mason Williams

    I love this. The Yankees are just telling everyone to choke on it.

    Sign everybody.

    Get Tanaka, Anderson and Garza while we’re at it.

    It’s armageddon, baby. Smoke up

    • Bo Knows

      Sign everyone but the one that they should have tried to keep

      • W.B. Mason Williams

        They did try.

        Or did you not see the 7/175 deal?

        Or did you want them to cripple the franchise?

        A consistent team is better than one superstar.

        Ask Donny Baseball.

  • Pseudoyanks

    Napoli is returning to the rSox.

    • Pseudoyanks

      He tweeted 2 year deal.

      • Fin

        Yea, 2/32. Apparently by shortening his deal last offseason it cost the Redsox about 13m more with this new deal in place. I like that.

  • MartinRanger

    Fans need to get over the three years as a reason to bash the deal.

    This guy is ageing pretty well, and they should get two good years at least out of him. It took three years to get it done. I’d much rather carry him as a below-average overpaid player at age 39 than not have him at all in his age 37-38 seasons.

    And this way we don’t have to invest long-term in Choo, whose platoon issues will only get worse, along with his defense which is already pretty average, and who will be paid like the player he was in his last year rather than the player he’s been throughout his career (very good, but not at all elite).

    After Ellsbury, a shorter contract was the smart thing to do.

    • KevinD

      Amen!!

  • CashmanNinja

    I have mixed feelings of this for 2 reasons. The first is the years. 3 years is really…eh. 2 would have been ideal. 3 really is pushing it considering he isn’t exactly young. But then again I’d rather do 3 of Beltran than 6 of Choo (even though I do like Choo). The chance of Beltran providing fair value for that contract is better than that of someone getting a contract twice as long. But the 2nd reason I’m eh on this is Brett Gardner. I simply don’t want to trade him. I love his defense and I LOVE the idea of having some speed/table setters at the top of the lineup. Gardner and Ellsbury getting on base for Beltran? Hell yes. I understand he becomes their best trade chip (especially with the price that outfielders on the market are getting!!!!), but I love Gardner :(

    • MartinRanger

      I feel as though you could rotate Soriano, Beltran, and Jeter through the DH slot and play Gardner the majority of the time in the outfield. I think all three could use occasional time off/DHing. Roughly, Gardner plays for Sori when Soriano DHs, for Beltran when Beltran DHs, and occasionally fills in when either of them needs a break/Jeter needs a DH day.

      That also keeps Ichiro where he belongs, which is on the bench.

      • Fin

        Or you could just give Jeter full days off, instead of getting him DH AB’s. With Beltran and Soriano on the team I’m not sure there is any reason to get Jeter AB’s at DH can just give him a full days rest.

  • nyjoe371

    The Yankee line up is so much better now with the additions of Beltran, Ells and McCann… sooo much better. Bye the way I wonder if Cano’s close relationship with Arod and Cano’s assistant being linked to biogenesis (for suposed weight loss pills) has anything to do with the Yankees hard stance on Cano

    • Brian

      Thought the same thing about biogenesis. Just didn’t want to be the one to say it…

    • Fin

      Or Boras sold the Yankees on Els being a better deal than Cano.

    • Celerino Sanchez

      Interesting thought. I hadn’t considered it but it might be possible.

  • Get Phelps Up (looking for a new name)

    I like this. But I hope we move Soriano to DH rather than trade Gardner.

    • mitch

      Completely agree. Gardner isn’t bringing back an impact picture. He’s more useful as a player than a trade chip. There will be plenty of ABs for Ellsbury, Gardner, Soriano and Beltran to go around.

      • MartinRanger

        If you can get a big piece for Gardner, especially on the pitching side, I consider it, but generally speaking I agree.

      • MD

        Trade Gardner for a prospect from a team that wanted Jacoby E but couldn’t afford him. He may have value to teams that get priced out in this market of FA outfielders.

        • MartinRanger

          I wonder if the Giants would take him for the Panda. They were definitely looking at Ellsbury before the bidding got out of hand.

          • MD

            I doubt it as a 1-for-1. Listening to offers for him is not the same as him be on the block.

            • Wolfgang’s Fault

              If you could acquire Sandoval & a lower minor league arm for Gardner, Romine, & Betances, that would do the trick. If not, would the Yankees consider offering Sanchez for Sandoval & would the Giants agree? W/McCann in pinstripes, Murphy & Romine starting year in AAA, & Torrens a kid w/a future behind the plate say in about 5+ years, this might be the right time & place for this deal. Depends on what happens to A-Rod & they still need to add quality pitching. They pull trigger on acquiring Sandaval, they still have to rebuild rest of infield as Tex is on downside, Cano’s gone, & Ryan’s a stopgap glove at short w/Jete’s 40 & done after ’14. Wow, lots of possibilities.

      • Fin

        Agree, hes not bringing back a Divinci but might fetch a Van Gogh.

        • Rick

          Good attempt, but fail. They were painters.

    • Farewell Mo

      Soriano is probably a better defensive outfielder at this point compared to Beltran.

      • MartinRanger

        Generally speaking, that’s true, but Beltran has the arm for right, and right is a much, much smaller area to patrol.

        • Farewell Mo

          Problem is Beltran was a 2.0 WAR RFer last year mainly because his defense has gotten so bad. . 3/$45 is pretty expensive to upgrade RF by less than 1 WAR over Ichiro.

          • MartinRanger

            The Cardinals had no choice but to play him everyday though, the Yankees can DH him and keep his knees fresh. And YS3 right field is a whole lot smaller than his old park’s right field.

            I’m not expecting him to be any great shakes out there – I’m hoping for a bit better than Abreu and Sheffield. But I think that they can live with him out there every other day or so.

  • BigBlueAL

    Wanted Choo but didnt want to add another 100 mil+/6 or 7 yr contract. Fine with this move. Now to find another SP.

  • LiterallyFigurative

    Gardner LF/RF
    Jeter SS/DH
    Ellsbury CF
    Beltran RF/DH
    McCann C
    Soriano LF/DH
    Tiex 1B
    A-rod 3B(why the fuck not? we are over the cap already!)
    Johnson 2B

    I’ll roll with that.

    • Slu

      If Alex is not suspended I’d like this lineup. Could still use Infante though and make Johnson a super sub.

    • Pasqua

      Not too shabby, but no way can Ells bat #3. He doesn’t have the pop to warrant that spot. I’m confident he’ll bat leadoff and Gardner will either be on another team, or dealing with hitting in the bottom 1/3rd of the lineup. Mind you, I’d love to see Gardner-Ellsbury (1-2), but I don’t think the Cap’n would take too kindly to that.

      • Fin

        I think its possible Jeter gets moved down against righties. I want him at the top of the order against lefties, more than Gardner. Jeter absolutely kills lefties, until he proves otherwise.

        • Pasqua

          Good point.

    • TopChuckie

      Any lineup with Tex & ARod as your 7 & 8 hitters is pretty friggin’ good, even at this stage.

    • Grit for Brains

      Not enough Mark Reynolds

  • https://twitter.com/KramerIndustry Kramerica Industries

    #BlameBeltran

  • Tom

    Great Move on a durable player who hits for power and average. You can DH/RF him.

  • Bobby D

    Great move!! A switch hitter in the middle of our lineup with power and as clutch as they come!! I love it!!!!

  • Pseudoyanks

    My prediction is … Jeter got the one year deal he got because he shook Cashman’s hand and agreed to “volunteer” to move to 3B. That will be announced in a couple of weeks. Captain will save face and make it out to be a huge move he is making for the team. Ryan at SS. Still going after a 2B. Kelly and his Johnson will be a backup.

  • KevinD

    What was that guys name? Was it Robbie something?

  • forensic

    Not thrilled with 3 years, but I guess it’s not the end of the world. Probably better than going more than double the contract for Choo.

    Can they play with 5 outfielders and only 2 infielders? There’d be a ton of singles, but no extra base hits against them ever.

  • CashmanNinja

    Apparently the D-Backs made a strong push for Beltran. It seems Beltran actually took LESS money to be a Yankee. Yeah, it may only be something like $3 mil in total, but hey…it’s still a load of money to a normal person. I think all that talk of Beltran wanting to be a Yankee in the worst way was true — even if they did give him a large chunk of cash in the end anyway.

    • Mykey

      Suddenly a player “wanting to be a Yankee” means a lot more to me than it did yesterday.

      • Chris

        Or a few hours ago

  • EndlessJose

    Love it.Great clutch hittters and now off to pitching.

  • MartinRanger

    Diamondbacks are believed to be the team that offered 3/48. So the Yankees actually got a discount.

    3 years is what it took. Beltran had plenty of suitors.

  • RetroRob

    Can’t even walk away from my computer for 15 minutes of food. This offseason has moved at a dizzying pace!

    Would have loved if they did this for two years, but this is workable. McCann, Ellsbury and Beltran greatly strengthen the team, even with Cano’s departure and clearly more is coming.

  • Celerino Sanchez

    Not so worried about how he is aging as long as he’s not in RF all the time. Needs to be rested a bit. Girardi should be able to do it. Guy is super motivated to come to Yanks – has wanted to for years. I’m also not so worried that he won’t produce because Ibanez was good at age 39 or whatever it was and then with Seattle last year, in a big ballpark Raul continued to produce at age 40+. Some guys can still get it done at that age. Beltran signing could be really good or turn into a bust if he gets hurt or drops off a cliff. Still love the aggressive offseason approach. If they’ve truly thrown the 189 out then Garza or Jimenez should be explored. Don’t think Tanaka will posted if the $20M bidding thing is in play.

  • Chris

    It’s easy to say that outfield is crowded, but that’s only if you forget about Vernon Wells’ third base chops.

    Maybe he can play second too…

    • Pasqua

      He’s a goner. Yanks are only on the hook for, like, $3 million of his salary this year. A drop in the bucket compared to what they’re spending. Cut him loose.

  • BrianMcCannon (formerly HateMclouth)

    This is cool, although I do wish it were 2 years instead of 3. Very, very small consolation for losing Cano.

    • mustang

      Less you have another all-star second basement not asking for 240 nothing is consolation for Cano

      Lets stop crying and move on!!!!

      • Grit for Brains

        I’m all about all star second basements

      • BrianMcCannon (formerly HateMclouth)

        I certainly ain’t crying, just hoping the production we lost comes back in one way or another.

  • mustang

    Agree with most don’t like the 3rd year, but better then long-term with Choo.

    Add Plus one less playmate for Cano in Seattle.

    Watch out MLB teams Seattle has rattled the Yankees tiger and he hungering!!!!!

    • MD

      So much for the Yankees not acting like the Yankees. They jumped in hard and haven’t stopped since. And with Cano leaving it still could end up coming in under 189.

      • Need Pitching & Hitting

        They’ve got about $10M left (without ARod), and they still could use another SP, a couple of relievers, and a starting 2B and 3B.

        • MD

          You sure? So if they had re-signed Cano at 22 AAV let’s say, they would only have 3 left?

          • Need Pitching & Hitting

            yes, roughly.
            Adding Beltran makes about $145M for 12 signed players (without ARod).
            The 5 Arb-eligible players project at $14.8M
            Benefits should be about $12M.
            Add about $5M for pre-arb and 40-man players, as well as routine roster moves.
            I think Arod still would count for $2.5M even with a full season suspension (not 100% sure on that though.
            That adds up to roughly $179M of $189M.

            I’d imagine the $189M plan is done. I don’t think they can adequately fill the remaining needs for $10M, and I doubt they’d commit to all of these big contracts only to leave a bunch of holes.

            • MD

              I don’t see how Tanaka could ever have been a serious consideration then — even with the posting fee not counting — when they were willing to go that high for Cano even after signing Ellsbury. How could a legit FA SP ever have fit into that scheme?

              • Fin

                I think everyone is assuming the Yankees are trying to stay under $189 with the assumption arod is gone for the Year. They didn’t wait around to find out. IF hes not gone for the year the plan is out the window, and who knows how much they will spend.

                • MD

                  Right — but he’s baked than into his calculations. At every turn there was some blurb that the Yankees still think they can add this and that and still meet the goal. But if he’s right, 189 should’ve be considered dead right after Ellsbury signed. They can fudge around the infield and the relievers but they’re going to get another SP. That would cost more than 3 to 10mil AAV. I dont see how the Yankees were saying Cano, SP, OF, INF, reliever could all be done under 189 if his A-Rod-suspended calculations are right.

                  • Ed

                    $189m sure seemed dead after Ellsbury signed. Really though, the final nail in $189m was when the news came out that ticket sales were down $60m due to missing the playoffs. That’s before factoring in money those fans would have spent on concessions or revenue generated from a playoff run.

                    Money lost by missing the playoffs >>>>>>> money gained from getting under $189m. They’re doing all they can to try to make the playoffs next year.

                    • MD

                      It must’ve been dead much earlier if their standing offer to Cano was that much. If Cano had agreed it would be dead at that point too. Ellsbury took the Cano money — but if Cano had taken that offer and the Yanks passed on Ellsbury, they still were talking Beltran/Choo, Tanaka/Garza/?, a reliever, more INF help. But all along there was mention of a plan of adding these pieces and still making it under 189 (as long as A-Rod was gone). If you swap the name Ellsbury for Cano, it’s still the same financial scheme they were implementing. So how could it have ever worked? The Beltran hold-up was the 3rd yr not the AAV.

                    • Ed

                      Right, like I said, the Yankees probably scrapped $189m based on the huge drop in ticket sales. They’ve probably made the decision a while ago as soon as they had a feel for the magnitude of lost revenue.

                      Ellsbury’s signing was just the big tip to the fans that $189m was probably dead.

    • CashmanNinja

      It seems like the majority agree that if going 3 years instead of 2 is what it takes then so be it. Beltran is the kind of player that could actually draw some more people to a game because it’s hard to not like him as a player. He seems to be a fan favorite wherever he goes and is just an all around nice guy in baseball. The difference between 2 years and 3 years is basically non-existent when compared to the difference between 7 years and 10. This is a MUCH better value and I’m very happy. Although I’ll be even more happy if we keep Gardner because having him really gives this team more options (and helps keep the older guys fresh). This team is rounding out nicely.

      • mustang

        THIS!!!

        The regular here are shining tonight!

  • Itsallhowuseeit

    Yanks just signed the most clutch hitter in post season history and their headed back there this year!

    • nycsportzfan

      I think so as well. What a great offseason for the yanks so far. They didn’t add a stupid 10yr contract to anyone, albeit 7yrs is alot of yrs, and the trio of Beltran, McCann, and Ells is a 1000 times better then not getting them and keeping cano.

  • dkidd

    what a day

  • Nathan

    Well Beltran finally got his wish.

    I just hope this isn’t like Randy Johnson where the Yankees FINALLY get the player but a few years too late.

    At least more starter (Tanaka? Please?) and a second baseman and I’ll be content.

    • CashmanNinja

      I think that was the other way around. George wanted Randy Johnson so badly and finally had the ability to land him and chose him over Beltran (who desperately wanted to be a Yankee). Then when Beltran hit the market again he wanted to be a Yankee, but apparently wanted too much $$ or whatever. So now at the end of the day Beltran gets to finally be a Yankee after being shunned twice. It’s kind of funny how baseball works since he could now possibly finish out his career on the team he’s always wanted to play for (hopefully after putting up great numbers and helping us win many games, of course).

      • GQJ

        How can you not root for a player who’s always wanted to play for your team and has made it obvious…

        • CashmanNinja

          I agree. He wanted to be here and hasn’t hidden his feelings about it either. He has all the makings of being a fan-favorite in his 3 years here.

      • Nathan

        Sorry, what I meant was that the Yankees had wanted Randy Johnson for a while but by the time they actually got him, he was past his prime.

        In this case, Beltran has wanted to be in pinstripes and he’s finally in them, but hopefully he isn’t too far past his prime.

  • David Brown

    It looks like the “Ninja” ( Cashman), will be playing poker at the Winter Meetings, he has plenty of chips and he is “All In” I wonder if it is Infante or a Pitcher in a Gardner Deal? Beltran for three years is an a Excellent Deal ( much better than the Mets with four on Granderson).

  • Stuckey

    Wonder if Ichiro retires or accepts a buy-out of some kind? Doesn’t seem like the type of guy who wants to go out of an noteworthy career riding a bench to collect a check.

    • MD

      I think he’ll be traded with the Yankees eating most of the 6.5. After the spending orgy there’s going to be some teams that were priced out but still have needs.

      • Fin

        Depends if they keep Gardner or trade him. IF the Yankees trade Gardner, Ichiro becomes pretty valuable as he can play all three OF spots pretty well. If there was an injury I imagine they would give Almonte a shot at the replacement job before Ichiro, but as 4th OF’er I think Ichiro could be very valuable without Gardner on the team.

        • MD

          Yeah, but I’m wondering if Ichiro starts whining at the landscape around now. Also, maybe the master plan revolves around trimming any money you can from the surplus. Ichiro would be a 6.5mil 4th OF. I don’t think the Yankees or Ichiro like that scheme.

          • Ed

            I doubt Ichiro likes being a 4th outfielder, but at this point he probably realizes that he’s only getting a starting job if he goes to a bad team. I got the impression he really wants to be on a contender, so I don’t think he’ll whine much.

      • http://www.penuel-law.com/ Cuso

        If the Yankees have to eat most of the $6.5 its almost not worth it.

        I’d be more agreeable to eating most of the $2.4 due to Wells and try to get ANYTHING in return for him.

        • MD

          It depends if you still buy into some mystery plan to still get to 189mil. A mil saved here, a mil saved there might be part of there thinking. I don’t think there’s any return for Ichiro either. They’d accept a non-entity minor leaguer if you ate more than half that 6.5.

    • vicki

      i see ichi, and hirok, and allurements for tanaka, should he be posted.

  • https://twitter.com/KramerIndustry Kramerica Industries

    No trading Gardner. About the one positive you can try and spin ’till your dizzy right now is that Ells and Gardner combine to create an excellent speed element, not to mention shutdown OF defense.

    Don’t throw that away. He is, almost literally, the only undervalued commodity left on this roster.

    • http://www.penuel-law.com/ Cuso

      And this is the last opportunity to get something in exchange for that value.

      The old adage: Make the move a year too early rather than a year too late.

      We’ve gotten value out of Gardner, but this is his last year where his value is at a premium relative to his contract. That has significant value in the trade market. Gotta make the move no matter how much Gardner’s output to salary proportion is admirable.

      • MD

        “That has significant value in the trade market.”

        Even more so in this climate of spending. The FA prices have escalated quickly — the value of the rest will go up once the losers turn to the trade market.

      • Mr. Roth

        “And this is the last opportunity to get something in exchange for that value.”

        Wait, you mean having him on the field isn’t getting something of value from him? So if that’s not valuable, why would other teams value him?

        I’m confused.

        • http://www.penuel-law.com/ Cuso

          OK, I’m pretty sure you understood my point. But if you’re really going to be syntax cop, I’ll parse my words for you.

          Get a PLAYER. THAT. FILLS. A. TEAM. NEED. IN. EXCHANGE. FOR. THAT. VALUE. BECAUSE. HE’S. GONE. AFTER. NEXT. YEAR. AS. A. FREE. AGENT.

          Are you still confused? Or are there any other citations you’d like to issue, officer?

          • Mr. Roth

            Still confused. I understood, “Get a PLAYER.” But none of those other sentences had subjects or predicates.

          • Mr. Roth

            In all seriousness though, I get your point. I just think that it’s important to have some (useful) outfield depth when Ellsbury, Beltran, and Soriano would otherwise be the guys you’re trotting out there everyday.

            Maybe you like Ichiro and Vernon more than I do, but I’d much rather be able to keep Gardner in the outfield mix next year than those two guys.

    • JGYank

      Agree. He’s probably the only one left worth his salary. I would love to see him in LF with Ells in CC and those two on the bases at the same time. I think we either trade an outfielder (likely Gardy or Sori) or Sori becomes the DH with Ichiro on the bench and Wells is tossed to the curb.

      • JGYank

        *Ells in CF

  • MartinRanger

    At this point, they need a starting infielder (2nd or 3rd) and a buttload of pitching help. At least one impact starter, ideally a middle-range starter, and a very good to elite bullpen arm. Maybe a lefty reliever.

    They get all those things, I feel pretty good heading into the season. Hope for bounceback seasons for Jeter, Tex, and CC, and they could be as good as anyone. Maybe some of the young pitchers or hitters surprise.

    • Dalek Jeter

      I think you’re undervaluing the return of Kuroda. I mean, maybe I’m slightly bullish on a Sabathia rebound, but I think the addition of Kuroda means that a Garza/Tanaka as a 3 should be more than enough to solidify the rotation…
      Sabathia
      Kuroda
      Garza/Tanaka
      Nova
      Phelps/Pineda/Colon(????)/Mitchell/Scrap heap

      is good enough to win if you ask me.

      • Pseudoyanks

        Sure, I’ll ask you.

      • MartinRanger

        True. I’m a bit leery of Hiroki after he fell apart down the stretch.

        Still. One more guy, and let the kids fight it out for the last spot. If one of the others falters, you’ve still got those kids.

        The Yankees have depth, it’s just that most of it is either an injury risk (Pineda/Banuelos) or have a relatively low ceiling (Marshall/Warren/Phelps/Nuno).

        • Mr. Roth

          He fell apart down the stretch in 2012 too, then came back better in 2013. I’m not too worried about Kuroda.

  • Bob Buttons

    Could be worse. We could have handed out 240 mil for Cano.

    I don’t hate the deal, but I really am not a big fan either. We needed production, but we didn’t need another old dude.

    • Mr. Roth

      Right…we needed another albatross 6-7 year contract for a guy that would be an old dude for the last 2-3 years of the deal.

  • Jorge Steinbrenner (The rarely heard-of sibling)

    This is tiring.

    I like, though. We’re going to need name tags.

    • PhillyMatt

      Paging Lloyd Braun

  • Chris

    Or we can just release Wells and have Gardner in RF Ellsbury in C and Beltran/Ichiro platoon in right. Unless they can get a steal on a pitcher I would keep him. This lineup is starting to take shape, we just need Tanaka and another reliever and we are set. They certainly are not sitting back and “waiting for the market to develop” are they.

    • MartinRanger

      Why on earth would you platoon Ichrio with anyone? Especially Beltran who was above league average vs lefthanders?

      Ichiro’s the 4th outfielder. If he starts more than a game a week somebody’s gotten hurt.

  • GQJ

    Seriously… in the grand scheme of things, what is the big deal about giving Beltran the 3rd year. We’re talking 1 extra year of contract that the Yankees can afford to eat. Going 3 is not a reason to dislike the contract.

    • Pasqua

      Agreed.

      1st year if good: What a great signing!
      1st year if bad: I hope he can bounce back!

      2nd year if good: What a great signing!
      2nd year if bad: Only one more year!

      3rd year if good: What a great signing!
      3rd year if bad: Well, glad that’s over.

      I’ll take my chances.

  • Pasqua

    The craziest thing about all of this is…there is no way they’re done yet. Wow.

  • JGYank

    Crazy. Signed 2/3 of the best outfielders on the market as well as 3/5 of the best positon players available in the same offseason as well as signing Kuroda Ryan Johnson and Jeter. What is our outfield going to look like now? I was looking forward to seeing Gardy and Ells play next to each other in the outfield and watch them annoy pitchers on the bases. Sori will probably become the full time dh if we keep Gardy because we need righty power.

    Surprised we gave 3 years to a 37 year old with bad knees but it’s nice to add a solid switch hitter to the lineup that will benefit from our park even if he is old and declining. At this point, I just want to see the lineup on opening day.

  • Jay1023

    I hear the Gardner for a pitcher talk, what about gardner murphy and nunez for headley? Headley is in his walk year nunez would let Gyorko shift back to 3b for the padres which is his natural position.

    Then you would be looking at:

    Ells
    Headley
    Beltran
    Teix
    McCann
    Soriano
    DH
    Johnson
    Jeter

    Keeps the rotating DH in place, and you could sign a decent guy to come off the bench like a Reynolds to spell a few guys for cheap and fill in for DH when needed. If you want to get really aggressive go for a Morales at DH which i would not hate seeing.

    I feel like Headley is attainable and would be a great fit for this team. Add in Tanaka and I would like our squad. I am ok with rolling with CC, Tanaka, Kuroda, Nova, Pineda with the potential to add another starter at the all-star break if they need to.

    • RetroRob

      Headley is attainable in that the Padres will move him. I just don’t think the Yankees have the pieces to get him.

    • http://www.penuel-law.com/ Cuso

      Gardner and Murphy is a start, but adding Nunez to that doesn’t get it done.

      Actually taking out Murphy, putting in Sanchez and Montgomery is what it would take..

      • Jay1023

        For one year of a player that has already made it clear he won’t resign with them you think it would take Sanchez? If thats what it takes it is not worth it but I think you could center something around Murphy and Gardner plus to get it done. I like Nunez still and think he could be a 2b for a major league team with offensive upside still, but I would be fine with moving a decent prospect not named Gary Sanchez along with those guys. Headley just makes too much sense for this team.

      • Fin

        Yankees would be morons to trade Murphy and Sanchez for 1 year of Headly.

        • http://www.penuel-law.com/ Cuso

          And the Padres would be morons for taking Gardner, Nunez and Murphy.

          So the reality is probably somewhere in between our trade proposals (which referencing RAB bylaws both suck).

          • Fin

            Ehh, Murphy and Gardner might be an overpay for 1 year of Headly. Gardner has similar value as Headly, throwing in Murphy is too much. Infact, Gardners best war season is better than Headly and his war last year was better than Headly. Fair trade might be straight up. Headly’s 2012 season seems to be an outlier.

            • MD

              I don’t get the fascination with Headley. Everyone writes off Ellsbury’s one big year as an outlier but they do the opposite with this guy.

    • Fin

      Explain to me how Headly is more valuable than Gardner? If the Yankees didn’t have Els no way would I give up Gardner for Headly. Go look at their stats and come back with a strong argument why Headly is more valuable than Gardner. That 2012 season looks more like an outlier than what can be expected of Headly going forward. 2013 was much more inline what headly has produced over his career and Gardner was a better war player last year. Its not like Gardner plays a less valuable position either, hes an above average CF.

  • Need Pitching & Hitting

    While I’d certainly consider using Gardner as trade bait if it could help attain a starting 3B or above average SP, I’d really try to avoid it for 3 reasons.
    1) The OF defense with Soriano and Beltran manning the corners could be rather subpar.
    2) Age and/or injuries are certainly a concern with Beltran, Ellsbury, and Soriano.
    3) Keeping Gardner pretty much guarantees Vernon Wells is not on the roster.

    • http://www.penuel-law.com/ Cuso

      OF defense could be shoddy, I agree. Ichiro is going to be the defensive replacement in late innings it looks like. But yeah, the range in the OF will be an issue.

      Wells is gone regardless. There’s just no way that man can be on the roster. He was irrelevant before Ellsbury signs.

      I’m thinking that Infante and Mark Reynolds are still on their radar. There’s just no room for Wells anywhere.

    • Fin

      I agree. The Yankees don’t have to trade Gardner and its very possible they are a better team with him. No reason Soriano cant DH full time, and occasionally give Beltran a day off. I don’t think with Sori and Beltran on the team there is any reason to DH Jeter, he can just get full days off, cant see him playing more than 120 games anyway. However, like you said if you can get a quality 2b,3b or pitcher for Gardner that makes the team better, you trade him.

      • OldYanksFan

        While Alphonso was great for us last year, let’s remember a few things.

        1) He’s 38 in 2014
        2) In the previous FOUR years, he averaged around a 108 OPS+ and a .315 OBP. There’s a reason the Cubs dumped him.
        3) He doesn’t ‘suffer’ severe splits, so it’s not like he at least kills LHP.

        I like Sori, but he has always been a flawed player, and now he is OLD and flawed.

        He could be good, but we shouldn’t be fooled by 243 2013 AB. Considering Beltran was only a 2.4 bWar player last year (and Sori had a 1.6 bWar), we should think HARD before trading Gardner.

        And think about this. With luck, we could see some lineups against RHP where Ichiro bats 9th, then Gritner, then Smellsberry. It would be a lot of fun to see 2 of these 3 guys on base at the same time. I think our #3 hitter will see some nice FBs.

  • BuDnUh

    This offseason has been unlike any other. Can’t wait to see what happens next. Losing Cano stings, but I am looking forward to seeing what the Opening Day lineup will be. They aren’t going anywhere except forward. McCann, Ellsbury, Johnson, Beltran… keep it up, keep it moving, Cash…

  • mustang

    “Nick Piecoro of the Arizona Republic reports that the Snakes made Beltran a three-year offer for more than $45MM”

    Nice to see someone who actually wants to play for the Yankees.

    • Mr. Roth

      Amen.

    • forensic

      It’s only too bad the Yankees realized that about a decade too late.

  • KevinD

    Beltran popped 24 homers last year. Can 30 be possible next year?

    BTW I love the fact that he left a bigger offer on the table to come to NY. He’s clutch, been healthy the last few years and he wants to be here…LOVE this signing.

    • RetroRob

      He’s wanted to play for the Yankees forever. They should have signed him years ago. Still a mystery why they passed on him.

      • OldYanksFan

        It’s because the Boss wanted Randy’s Johnson instead.

  • anthony

    why will they sign beltran until hes 40 but not cano until hes 41

    • Dalek Jeter

      Because gauging risk 3 years down the road is a lot easier than gauging risk 10 years down the road and Beltran (though declining) has aged gracefully where as even the best 2nd basemen tend to fall off drastically in their mid to late 30s.

    • http://www.penuel-law.com/ Cuso

      Beltran will only get to 39 as a Yankee

  • Ben

    How about moving Soriano back to 2B? This keeps a great defensive outfield in Gardner-Ellsbury-Beltran, Jeter/McCann at DH and Sorianos bat in the lineup and him in the field(which he prefers).

    Then fill the 3B hole with Infante since he wont cost a draft pick and slide him back over to 2B next year and put Headley or Sandoval at third.

    • Farewell Mo

      39 year old Jeter at SS and 38 year old Soriano at 2nd would undoubtedly be the worst defensive middle infielder in the history of baseball

      • Ben

        Jeter would be the DH. Brendan Ryan is the starting shortstop.

        • Farewell Mo

          Dude, Soriano was a butcher at 2nd base when he was 25. I can’t imagine how bad he’d be at 39.

        • Mr. Roth

          You do remember that Soriano wasn’t exactly a great fielding 2B 10 years ago, right?

          • Ben

            And he’s fantastic in the outfield. I guess we can trade Gardner to fit Sori in the lineup and roll with Kelly Johnson at 2B. Or make Sori the DH and put Jeter at short since we know he’s a vast improvement in the field.

            • Need Pitching & Hitting

              He’s about average in the OF. And there’s no need to trade Gardner to get Soriano in the lineup.
              Why not just get a real 2B?

              • Ben

                If you don’t trade Gardner where does Soriano fit? Gardner-Ellsbury-Beltran in the OF. Jeter at DH.

                • Mr. Roth

                  Jeter is not going to be a full time DH. He’ll be starting at SS 4-5 times a week.

                  • Ben

                    I don’t see Soriano riding the bench for half the games.

                    • Mr. Roth

                      Neither do I.

                    • Need Pitching & Hitting

                      That’s not half. Not even close. And Jeter doesn’t have to play every day either.
                      Hypothetical breakdown:
                      Gardner – 140 games OF
                      Ellsbury – 155 games CF
                      Beltran – 90 games RF, 55 games DH
                      Soriano – 100 games OF, 45 games DH
                      Jeter – 40 games DH, 100 games SS
                      McCann – 120 games C, 20 games DH

                • Need Pitching & Hitting

                  Jeter’s not the full-time DH (nor should he be)
                  Gardner – primary LF
                  Ellsbury – CF
                  Beltran – RF/DH
                  Soriano – LF/RF/DH

                  None of the above will play 162 games. The games they rest will allow Jeter and McCann to get occasional DH days.

            • Mr. Roth

              The logic of “he’s not an awesome outfielder, so lets move him to 2B, because he’ll definitely be a worse infielder” astounds me.

              Wow.

            • OldYanksFan

              You realize Gardner is a FAR better player than Soriano, right? And Jeter will play SS for as many games as he is (health wise) capable of. Even as a shitty fielder, Jeter has a chance of being and average -or- slightly above average SS. He will be a below average DH.

              Jeter’s ONLY value is at SS.
              And as this is his swan song, he will play as much SS as he can.

        • JRod

          Ryan would have to play his own position at SS and probably 65% of Soriano’s position at 2B as well, and yet there are these near paranormal GIFS floating out there (I saw one on this very forum), that show the dude could probably do just that. But yeah, the “realists” with a firm command of the obvious are likely correct in their tedious but unimpeachable assertion that Sori will never play 2B again.

      • Ben

        C. McCann
        1B. Teixeira
        2B. Soriano
        SS. Ryan
        3B. Infante
        LF. Gardner
        CF. Ellsbury
        RF. Beltran
        DH. Jeter

    • Pasqua

      Soriano is at the age when infielders get moved into a new role because they’re too slow to play the infield. Moving Soriano back now would be like running INTO an empty burning building.

      • Poconos Adam

        +1. Good stuff.

    • BFDeal

      Stop it. Just stop it.

  • Pacman

    Solid move. Choo would have been nice, but Beltran is just fine. Amazing that people still get pissed. Cracks me up. Switch hitter…depth…solid club house guy. Great fit. Now sign infante..Reynolds…a sp, and a bullpen arm or two. Keep it goin cash!

  • Farewell Mo

    I’d like to see them move Jeter to 3rd and sign Stephen Drew now.

    • Alex

      Don’t want Drew, ok player that has been ridiculously overrated last couple years because of a dearth of shortstops.

      • Farewell Mo

        Yeah, who needs a 3+ WAR SS who’s 30 years old when they might get 1 WAR out of Jeter/Ryan.

        • FIPster Doofus

          To be fair, Drew wasn’t very good the couple years prior to 2013 and, if I’m not mistaken, has had difficulty staying healthy. He’s no 3-WAR slam-dunk.

        • OldYanksFan

          Drew has a career bWar of 16.1 over 8 years. I guess New Math makes that an average of 3+. Meanwhile, Brendan Ryan has a career bWar of 15.9 over 7 years, which New Math wise, is way, way worse than Drew.

    • Ben

      This is logical but Soriano to 2nd is out of the question? LOL

      • Farewell Mo

        No one with half a brain actually believes Soriano to 2B is even a remote possibility.

        • nsalem

          But someone with 1/10th of a brain would and there are apparently some of those out there.

  • Phil

    now some pitching….Balfour first step!

    • http://www.penuel-law.com/ Cuso

      Closers are usually a January/February pursuit. Getting some SP answers will probably come first.

    • RetroRob

      Balfour pitching to McCann? The WWE might be able to sell tickets for that one!

      • http://www.penuel-law.com/ Cuso

        Now playing the role of Referee Danny Davis…..Angel Hernandez!

        …or Laz Diaz

  • UncleArgyle

    Ichiro for Papelbon. Discuss.

    • Mr. Roth

      Vomit.

      • Pasqua

        That would be the Phillies response, yes.

        • Jorge Steinbrenner (The rarely heard-of sibling)

          It’s the Phillies. Reconsider that.

    • Dalek Jeter
      • Dalek Jeter

        I would literally rather Ichiro start in CF for 161 games next year and bat cleanup. Righty.

        • Jorge Steinbrenner (The rarely heard-of sibling)

          But would you extend Ichiro another season?

          • RetroRob

            No. How about two instead?

          • Dalek Jeter

            10/241.

            • Jorge Steinbrenner (The rarely heard-of sibling)

              Seattle offers 15/389

    • Alex

      They should have Ichiro pack his bags and go live at the airport, just like in the movie The Terminal, until they figure out what to do with him.

    • UncleArgyle

      Lol basically the reaction I expected. I agree, but i think it makes sense on some level.

  • nsalem

    Don’t understand those who are in a rush to trade Gardner. Think the Yankee’s should atleast wait until the Tanaka situation plays out before even considering. Even more I don’t understand how people can think of Ellsbury as someone who should be batting third.

    • Dalek Jeter

      That just reminded me of this: http://www.overthemonster.com/.....0/game-134

      I know Ells is the far superior player…but still funny to me.

      • nsalem

        I hope Jeter can return to form enought to make this an issue. If he is not I don’t think Girardi will be writing out his lineup card next year to accomodate his (alleged) ego. Personally I think if jeter is move down in the line-up he will not make it a public issue. If he is fortunate enough to return to his 2012 level he should be bating second and Gardner can bat ninth. As someone mentioned above Jeter being willing to move to third in the event A-Rod is suspended for more than 50 games may be the best thing for the team. More than anything I think Jeter would love to go out with another ring or two and would be wlling to do what was best for the team. With the additions to our offenssive I think we can afford to carry Ryan as an everyday SS. a-Rod willingly made the switch as did Pete Rose did when his days at second base were over. I don’t see why Derek wouldn’t make the switch for the good of the team.

    • Farewell Mo

      I’d rather keep Gardner in LF and rotate Soriano and Beltran between RF and DH to keep both old guys fresh.

      • JGYank

        This!

      • RetroRob

        Agree, and I’m sure that’s the plan, much to Ichiro’s horror!

        • Fin

          yep, that’s a solid plan if you cant get something for Gardner that upgrades the team. No one should be worrying about Jeter DH’ing his bat is not needed in that spot with Beltran and Soriano around. Just give him a full day off and keep his games played to 120-130 and maybe he will stay healthy and fresh.

  • Pasqua

    This week’s transactions are like that point in your fantasy draft every year when somebody goes for a closer and then, suddenly, every other team drafts a closer because they’re afraid of missing out… only real.

    • http://www.penuel-law.com/ Cuso

      Now playing the role of Tight End, the closer!!

  • tommy cassella

    ROBBIE WHO???????

  • Mr. Roth

    Beltran is old and Jacoby is too injury prone, so what we need to do is trade Gardner because we have too much outfield depth.

    [/sarcasm]

  • ajr24

    Heyman speculating Ichiro for Scutaro

    • Alex

      God no!

      • Need Pitching & Hitting

        Why?
        That would be a steal for the Yankees.

        • Alex

          Truth, I was reading stuff about Gardner and thought it said Gardner for Scutaro. I should read more carefully.

      • CashmanNinja

        Ichiro will make $6.5 mil next year. I like Ichiro and he still plays good defense. A team that really needs OF help could do worse than him — especially with the current market. But we simply don’t have the space for him in my opinion. I feel we could find a cheaper 4th OF (with Soriano mostly filling in as a DH). Scutaro is due over $13 mil for 2 more years. We’d basically be adding $6 mil onto what we currently have. I don’t know if Scutaro would really be worth that. I kind of like Infante a little more if he could be had for the same price — but then again they’d be taking Ichiro off our hands so in the long run it would be a cheaper option. Scutaro offers little power, but he gets on base at a decent clip and puts the ball into play a lot. With that being said I would do the trade, but I don’t think the Giants would, hence the term speculation.

        • Chris H

          Could they do worse than a guy who hit .235/.282/.307 against RHP last year? I don’t care how good your defense is that won’t play just about anywhere let alone RF.

          • Fin

            I think as a 4th outfielder hes pretty valuable. He can play all 3 outfield spots fairly well. Late inning defensive replacement and pinch runner. Just don’t want to see him on the field in any type of full time role.

    • Chris H

      No way the Giants are that thick.

    • Dalek Jeter

      …How many years is Scutaro signed for? Can he play second base? Meh, never mind Heartbeat.

    • http://www.penuel-law.com/ Cuso

      That would be an absolute steal, but not gonna happen.

    • Tom

      I think the Yankees might have to sweeten the deal a bit, maybe a lesser prospect?

      I think the Giants were one of the teams that offered Ichiro a 2 year deal when the Yankees “stole” him at a discount.

      I think this would be an awesome move – between Jonson and Scutaro they would have some tremendous flexibility around the IF.

      • Tom

        I think I should start every sentence with “I think”.

  • Dan

    Trade Gardner for a SP.

    As of now, they’re better than last year. If they get 1 more pitcher it’ll put then over the top for the playoffs I think.

  • Jorge Steinbrenner (The rarely heard-of sibling)

    Trade Gardner for Gardner.

  • Chris H

    Unless Choo was demanding more than Ellsbury I don’t get this move.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner (The rarely heard-of sibling)

      I’m not quite sure I’d have been a fan of adding two outfielders at about seven years each this off-season.

      I’m fine with some shorter-term commitment. The AL will allow Beltran some rest, and he can certainly still flat-out hit. What’s not to like?

      • Chris H

        He can “flat out hit” but his numbers concern me, especially the career low walk percentage combined with unsustainable contact rates. Unless he goes back to his old BB numbers you could easily end up with a guy who gets on base around .309 (What his OBP would’ve been in 2012 with his 2013 BB rate). At that point I don’t care that you slug .490 because you suck on defense, have bad knees, and you only do one thing well with the bat.

  • TJF

    Jeter to 3B, trade Gardner and whatever else to Rockies for Tulowitzki

    • Dalek Jeter

      http://riveraveblues.com/2009/.....son-19809/

      Please go to the second bolded point, also remember forced trades aren’t on.

    • http://www.penuel-law.com/ Cuso

      and take on a 13-year contract? Wait, what’s his contract 13 or 14 years?

    • TJF

      Tulo idolizes Jeter, who better to replace him, an all star who’s locked up for fair value

      • Fin

        I don’t think you realize how much Tulo is hurt. He might be the best player in the game when healthy but that’s not nearly enough. I live in CO and watch the Rockies games when he’s healthy, unfortunately that’s not nearly enough and that contract is going to look very bad in the not to distant future when these injuries start to deteriorate his play.

      • Fin

        Tulo’s deal would be a steal if it wasn’t for the injuries, he’s signed for 7 more years through his age 35 season. With $118 owed for his 29-35 seasons. That would probably be the best contract in baseball if he could stay on the field.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner (The rarely heard-of sibling)

      Trade Brett Gardner for Melky + IPK
      Trade Nunez and Phelps for Brett Gardner
      Trade Gardner, Melky, + IPK for Clayton Kershaw

  • TWTR

    All things considered, I like the move. I wanted Beltran two years ago too.

    • Dalek Jeter

      All the years ago. Seriously, part of me has wanted this dude since his Royals days.

      • CashmanNinja

        I remember wanting him after he put on a show after he was traded for the Royals. Even though I lovedddd the idea of getting Randy Johnson I still think it was a mistake not getting Beltran back then.

        • Alex

          I think two of the biggest mistakes the Yankees, have made in recent years was not signing Beltran and signing Sheffield instead of Guerrero.

          • Dean

            Oh how many times I’ve said this to myself throughout the years , could not have said it any better you’re right on.

          • OldYanksFan

            Both of those mistakes were mandated by the Boss.
            People forget how many dumb moves he made.

  • Jorge Steinbrenner (The rarely heard-of sibling)

    I just scrolled up. We haven’t signed anyone else.

    Cashman failed.

  • KING of Fruitless Hypotheticals

    We don’t have too many OF. Wells is gone, Ichiro is the 4th OF and some young kid will be 5th. Teams have DH’s, we’re just used to calling them old infielders instead of DH’s.

    And speaking of old, as old as this team still is, we need to carry an extra everything right up until game day and then try to stash a few in AAA.

    • Chris H

      Soriano should be the 4th OF/part time DH, no way Ichiro should ever do anything but pinch run and play defense ever again.

      • FIPster Doofus

        Spot on.

  • FIPster Doofus

    Carlos Beltran is awesome. This signing isn’t, if that makes any sense. It’s one year too many for a 37-year-old who has had health issues and can’t really play defense anymore. At least he has the short porch to beef up his value, I guess.

    • nsalem

      Probably true but at this point 15 million seems like chump change. Don’t you think if he he helps us back into the post season in 14 and 15 it would be well wortth it?

      • FIPster Doofus

        Sure. To me, though, that’s a big if right now.

  • cashjr

    Pitching, Pitching and more Pitching. Trade anyone that hasn’t just been signed if need be, but we need pitchers more than batters – and good ones. Everyone we have now is questionable and even the ones being targeted are questionable too.

    I hate to trade Gardner, but you probably can’t expect to get someone halfway decent without including him. I’d even include Nova if it helped get higher quality.

    The lineup is fine (doesn’t have to be great), and we don’t even know about AROD’s status.

    • FIPster Doofus

      The lineup isn’t completely set. They have either nothing at 2B or 3B, depending on where Johnson plays.

      • Chris H

        Platoon Mark Ellis with Johnson at 2B or sign Infante full time at 2B and be done with it.

        • FIPster Doofus

          I’m on the Infante wagon.

          • forensic

            I think I’ve made it there too, barring some sort of trade. Use Johnson for platoon at 3B (and periodically 2B, I guess), and just try to find a righty for 3B (still don’t want Reynolds).

            • forensic

              Another comment just reminded me, I know he’s been a complete non-factor in most discussions on here all offseason (maybe for good reason), but I kind of wonder if the Yankees are thinking about Nunez as that righty at 3B. I know he hit lefties worse than righties last year, but that’s the opposite of the rest of his career.

              If they’re not thinking about him in that role, then they should just dump him since there’s nothing else to really do with him and no need for him to take up a 40-man spot (unless he has an option left which I haven’t bothered to look up). But even then, he may not be worth the spot.

  • forensic

    Now we just have to pray that Beltran will get a chance to show-off his postseason prowess in pinstripes (and that he hasn’t used it all up already).

    Like Jorge said before, nobody is going to be able to recognize all these new people. They can’t put names on the back, but how about a name tag on the front of the uniforms?

    • Chris H

      How are people not going to be able to recognize Carlos Beltran and Jacoby Ellsbury?

      • forensic

        It was mostly sarcasm. All the big baseball fans will recognize them, but the more casual fans won’t. My wife had Carlos Beltran and Carl Crawford confused when I went home for dinner tonight and found out about it. And she’s even a moderately big Yankees fan, though she’s been busy the last two years too.

        And anyway, think about all the turnover. If Gardner ends up being traded, the 2014 starters who played the most games in pinstripes last season would be a guy they traded for in late July and then… Jeter. That’s pretty crazy.

  • Mykey

    YEW GUYS TOTALLY 4GET THAT SORIANO USED TO PLAY SECOND BASS!!!1

    • nsalem

      Yes we do remember. He has played under 4 innings at 2B since 2005. At this point he would probably be less effective as a second baseman as he is as a baserunner.

      • Mykey

        Yeah, I was kidding.

    • http://www.penuel-law.com/ Cuso

      Mighkey, you spelled your name wrong again.

      • Mykey

        Damnit! But seriously, if one more person suggests Soriano play 2nd I will likely take a lengthy internet hiatus.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner (the rarely spoken-of sibling)

      Must have been a solid rhythm section.

  • forensic

    Are they going to cancel the Winter Meetings next week? Are they any free agents left to sign after this crazy week?

    • Alex

      The GM’s are going to sit in the lobby playing pattycake.

    • Tom

      The Winter meetings is going to Friedman at a podium holding an auction

      “OK I’ve got Walker and Franklin for Price from the Mariners”
      “Now I got Polanco an Tailon from the Pirates”
      “I’ve got Profar and Perez from the Rangers”
      “who’ll give me more?”
      “Dayton Moore, you got anything left?”

      My fear is the Winter Meetings becomes the time someone gives up the farm for Price and the Rays take the short term hit but once again take in a haul of prospects.

    • mustang

      It’s at Disney World they want to get the work out of the way and have fun with Mickey.

  • cooolbreez

    trade Beltran to the D Backs, who will save $3mm and get the player they want. I don’t know the D Backs roster very well but they must have a 2nd baseman or an SP!

    • FIPster Doofus

      Someone’s been playing too much MLB The Show.

      • forensic

        There’s no such thing as playing too much MLB The Show. That’s just why you play RTTS mode where you have no control over trades. :-)

  • Dalek Jeter

    Against RHP:

    CF Ellsbury
    SS Jeter
    RF Beltran
    1B Texeira
    DH Soriano
    C McCann
    2B Infante
    3B Johnson
    LF Gardner

    Against LHP:
    CF Ellsbury
    DH Jeter
    RF Beltran
    1B Teixeira
    LF Soriano
    2B Infante
    C Cervelli
    3B Johnson
    SS Ryan

    • forensic

      Still some ‘eh’ spots in there, but not quite as bad overall as at times last year, at least.

      And especially now that Cano isn’t in the #3 spot, I’d do everything possible to put Gardner #2 against righties and drop Jeter toward the bottom.

      • Alex

        This team has too many .250 hitters for my liking.

      • Dalek Jeter

        I actually thought about that for a long while, but I was considering Gardner leading off. Ells is the better player, and I understand wanting to get him more ABs but I think having Ellsbury in back of Gardner might light a fire under him a bit so it would be:

        LF Gardner
        CF Ellsbury
        RF Beltran
        1B Texeira
        DH Soriano
        C McCann
        SS Jeter
        2B Infante
        3B Johnson

        • forensic

          It’s probably not a big deal either way. I can think of positives and negatives for either order between the two.

  • Michael
    • Jorge Steinbrenner (The rarely heard-of sibling)

      Ban this man.

    • FachoinaNYY

      I wouldnt even recognize him, he looks doughy, I would have thought that was Melky before Cano, and that is not sour grapes, damn. Still hard to process, I will miss Cano A LOT. This sucks.

  • OldYanksFan

    You guys realize that Beltran is a 2.5 bWar guy getting $15m, while Brett is a 4 bWar guy getting under $4m… right?
    Gardner is very valuable. You don’t trade him unless you get a serious player in return.

    Any guesses on what Gritner gets as an FA?

    • forensic

      I would put Gardner in the same area as Bourn as a FA, 4 years and $48 million.

      Of course, I also would’ve had Ellsbury at just a little higher than that, not $100 million higher, so I could be way off.

      • Tom

        Crazy thoughr/question:

        Do you give Gardner a QO? Assuming the Yankees keep him and he has a typical Gardner year.

        I know it sounds a bit nuts, but I was looking through the FA OF class next year, and was trying to figure out if Gardner was the best available OF. I think he might be (if not he’s near the top)

        • forensic

          That’s an interesting one. Of course, it’s hard to really answer now without seeing how the season plays out, but…

          I’d strongly consider it. I haven’t looked at the FA OF list, just trusting your judgement, but Soriano will be gone (as will for sure Wells/Ichiro) and Beltran will be another year older.

          It’s certainly overpaying him on a per year, but on a one year QO it might be worth it, considering the other options. Put the pressure on him to decide. If he takes it, you get him back at a higher price but just the one year. If he declines it, you get a pick for him.

          • forensic

            I’m in serious procrastination mode at work, so I checked out the 2015 FA’s. There are a few names in there who might turn out to be interesting, but yeah, Gardner would be among the top group for sure.

            • Tom

              It also kind of made me feel better about the Ellsbury signing (and to a lesser extent the Beltran signing). And why I think Choo and Cruz are both going to get WTF?!? type contracts

              Prior to the Ellsbury signing the idea of finding 3 starters out of that list for 2015 was not all that appealing.

        • Stephen

          Qualifying Offfer? The Yankees will just extend him before he gets to free agency. 10/250.

          But seriously, if they don’t give a qualifying offer, they’d be insane. He could get 14M (or whatever it will be. Sure looks like its going up) annually in the free agent market over multiple years. I hope the Yankees lock him up too. I do not want to let him slip away.

    • FIPster Doofus

      Maybe something in Bourn territory (4/48)?

      • FIPster Doofus

        forensic beat me to it.

    • Alex

      Unfortunetly that is way we should look into trading him. We have zero pitching, but I don’t want to just give Gardner away if the right deal is not out there then Cash shouldn’t trade him.

  • D

    Robinson CanWHO? LOL

    Gardner LF L
    Jeter 3B R
    Ellsbury CF L
    Beltran RF S
    McCann C L
    Teixiera 1B S
    Soriano DH R
    Johnson 2B L
    Ryan SS R

    Johnson is the only downgrade negated by the upgrades everywhere else and his power, versatility, age, and cost.

    If the Yanks could bring back Reynolds, the bench is would be set with him (1B/3B), Cervelli (C), Suzuki (OF), and my guess Dean Anna (2B/SS.) Wells would be traded or cut if no one wants him. They should see if Nix wants to come back for $1M and if he does, sign him for a Cervelli/Nix/Reynolds/Suzuki bench.

  • Mike

    Good signing. Looks like Beltran took a discount to sign here.

  • Kibbles ‘n Vicks

    So, next year….

    CF Ellsburry
    RF Beltran
    SS Hanley
    3B Arod
    C McCann
    1B Teixiera
    DH Soriano
    2B- Infante
    LF- Gardner

    • forensic

      I think you mis-spelled ‘Jeter’, and put him in a very wrong spot in the order, and put him ahead of someone who likely won’t be playing.

  • http://www.penuel-law.com/ Cuso

    I just got in a drawn out twitter debate with Keith Law defending the Beltran signing.

    He concedes nothing.

    • forensic

      Does he not like anything about it or is it just the 3rd year he doesn’t like?

      • http://www.penuel-law.com/ Cuso

        He likes nothing about it. I was trying to convince him that the signing was good but that the 3rd year was the arguable issue. He refused that, too.

        He’s against all three years I guess and thinks the Yanks were bidding against themselves.

        Claims “no evidence” that they were bidding against anyone….which seems a little obstinate to me.

        • forensic

          He’s just a Yankee-hater.

          /standardRABresponseforKeithLaw

          • http://www.penuel-law.com/ Cuso

            Haha. I literally used “hashtag-hater” to which he replied “brilliant analysis” and then we got into it back and forth for about 20 minutes.

          • http://www.penuel-law.com/ Cuso

            Wait a second. Forensic? Are you Keith Law?

            • forensic

              Finally, someone gets it, now I can finally use my real name as my handle…

              • http://www.penuel-law.com/ Cuso

                I want to laugh as if you’re joking…but I’m not sure….

                You’re Keith Law, aren’t you.

                You sneaky SOB

                • forensic

                  Have you ever seen me and him comment at the same time???

                  • http://www.penuel-law.com/ Cuso

                    You’re blowing my mind. I’m going to be paranoid about this throughout 2014.

                • forensic

                  Oh, and since it’s actually one thing I thought about today with the Cano signing and my fantasy team, I guess Nick Franklin (and Dustin Ackley) lost their chance to be a starting 2B next year (for the M’s). ;-)

                  • http://www.penuel-law.com/ Cuso

                    Yeah, you can’t be Keith Law. He hates Nick Franklin…..or does he????

                  • http://www.penuel-law.com/ Cuso

                    Actually, Franklin will have dual eligibility at 2B and SS, I bet.

        • mt

          So all that ? AM reporting that Beltran had a 3 year offer in hand from Royals or Diamondbacks were a lie?

          You can criticize Ellsbury signing as a big overpay where we bid against ourselves badly and/or criticize getting the creaky Beltran from a possible aging player decline standpoint but seems really strange to criticize Beltran 3 year deal as bidding against oneself given what we have seen from signed FA deals and rumored offers.

          • mt

            Meant “mainstream media” reporting (hate that auto-correct).

        • Fin

          Fangraphs not a fan of it either.

  • Need Pitching & Hitting

    38 guys on the current roster
    Without Ellsbury, Beltran, and Kuroda
    And they may take somebody in the rule 5 draft.

    I wonder who the next roster casualty will be?
    Is Wells too much to ask?

    • forensic

      I’ve totally lost track of the 40-man over the last week. Is Jesus Montero still on it? :-)

      • Need Pitching & Hitting

        Not until 2028.

        • forensic

          It’s funny, because it’s true…

        • Jorge Steinbrenner (the rarely spoken-of sibling)

          *golf clap*

    • http://www.penuel-law.com/ Cuso

      Wells will go, but that won’t likely be the next casualty. Cashman will probably try try try to get anything he can for Wells but may not get takers.

      He’ll likely be the last roster casualty before ST in which case he’ll be flat cut.

      The next “casualty” (in my opinion) will be Gardner and Murphy via trade. I know there is large portion here that dislike that notion. I’m just offering my guess as to “who’s next.”

      Goldberg

    • forensic

      Seriously though, he’s certainly gotta be in the group under consideration. Maybe try to sneak Anna through again? Doesn’t seem worth making sure he stays safe. Huff or one of the questionable pitchers? Maybe a quick trade involving one of the catchers? Maybe a Flores or, less likely, Almonte.

      I would certainly assume (hope) Wells is at the front of the line though. These other guys are still in danger though with a couple more spots still need to be filled.

      • forensic

        And obviously forgot to add Gardner as being mixed in as a trade candidate.

    • Tom

      This is where using up a spot for Campos comes back to bite them a bit – there was probably little chance he would have stuck on an MLB club all year if he was chosen.

      Depending on when the Rule V draft is, could they wait until after it to formalize 1 or 2 of the signings (not sure how much MLB allows you to play around with that)

      If they don’t do a trade it will probably be Dean Anna and/or Huff (Maybe just one – and not have an open spot for the rule V draft?).

      • Need Pitching & Hitting

        The draft is December 12.
        December 9 is the last day to outright a player prior to the draft.
        I suppose they could hold off on 2 of the 3 recent signings until after December 12, though that might be too obvious and I suppose MLB might step in.
        It would make more sense to me to hold on to guys like Anna and Huff, because they at least still currently have a chance of making the MLB roster, whereas Wells should have no chance at this point.
        And I wouldn’t be shocked if they just skipped the draft.

        • Tom

          I think you are right about punting on the draft, The only realistic place to add is the pen, but they also have to keep Betances on the 25 man (or expose him to waivers). I think they will give him every shot as the last short inning guy in the pen – so he will basically be like carrying a rule V guy unless he absolutely stinks it up in spring training.

          I still think they could push out one of the signings, esp if the 40man was full as they wouldn’t be gaming the draft. It would probably be slightly easier to get someone through waivers after the draft (not all that much, but every little bit helps)

  • mt

    Assuming $189 million plan is now toast, can we play with 2 DH’s in lineup at the same time if A-ROD suspension is reduced to 50 or 65 games?

    Internet officially explodes if aging A-ROD is thrown onto DH mix for this 2014 club for over 100 games.

    Am I now officially evil if I am devilishly hoping that Cano now becomes tied to Biogenesis or steroids like his compadres Melky and Alex?

    • forensic

      Why assume $189 is now toast? Cano signing elsewhere only makes it easier to stay under. I haven’t run the numbers, but that’s $20-25 million they were probably somewhat expecting to spend on one player that they’re now not spending.

      • Need Pitching & Hitting

        Without shedding any payroll, they’d have roughly $10M left to spend to be right up against $189.
        The still need another SP, relief help, and at least one more starting IF. That seems like an awful lot to fit into $10M .

    • Fin

      I don’t know I kinda think full time DH is better at this point for the Yankees, even with Arod back. I think he and Jeter may be past the point have half days off. I think they need full days off. No reason to rest them from the field and DH them. Just give em the day off, keep their games played in the 130 range and hope for the best.

  • forensic

    Methinks Beltran won’t be wearing #3 next season, like he is in that picture.

    • http://www.penuel-law.com/ Cuso

      33?

      • forensic

        Barrel-Roll Beltran.

        I like it.

      • Mikhel

        Or what about a roman numeral? And do the same thing with Ellsbury’s number to start a trend for guys who want a single arabic numeral which is unavailable.

        Ellsbury could use #22 but that can’t be used because it is future HOF Roger Clemens number… DONT HIT ME!!! NOT IN THE FACE, PLEASE!!

  • D

    The Yanks should re-sign Reynolds and Nix next so they are three deep at 1B (Teixiera, Reynolds, Johnson) and SS (Ryan, Nix, Jeter), four deep at 2B (Johnson, Nix, Ryan, Jeter), the same at 3B (Jeter, Reynolds, Nix, Ryan.) Add Dean Anna to the mix and they’re four deep at 1B and SS, five at 2B and 3B.

    They could convert Nunez into a LF. Maybe telling him his days as an infielder are over and having a ceremony were he burns his infielder gloves will clear his mind, he won’t press, and he’ll do well. The Yanks could hire Rickey Henderson to work with him. Nunez has stolen base ability (48 SB in 59 SBA for just over 75% SB success rate) and makes good contact (career-high 51 SO in 2014 BUT only double that in 827 career PA.) Rickey would be the perfect mentor as he was always aloof and chill. Nunez could use a guy like that in his corner. Nunez made less than $600K and I say don’t give up on him unless he could fetch something you really need, but I don’t know what he could fetch the Yanks.

    • Repo Man

      The Yankees can’t fit all of these guys into their 14 position players on opening day:

      Starters: McCann, Teixeira, 3B, Jeter, Ellsbury, Gardner, Soriano, Beltran

      Bench: Cervelli, Ryan, Johnson, Ichiro, Wells, Nunez

      3B will either be A-Rod or his replacement, which better not be Nunez.

      They need to add a starting 2B to that list, which will force one of those bench guys off the team. So that means once they add a 2B, there will be no room for one of Wells, Ichiro, or Nunez.

      So to accomodate the new 2B, whoever that may be, they will either cut Wells, cut Ichiro, trade Gardner, trade Ichiro, or send Nunez to the minors (does he have options left?).

  • Repo Man

    Beltran and Jeter need plenty of full days off, so I wouldn’t say the OF/DH is overcrowded. It is only overcrowded if the Yankees mismanage it. They need to be ok with benching Jeter more on days where he can’t field, rather than DH’ing him. And they need to cut Vernon Wells.

    I am afraid that the similarities between Ellsbury/Gardner/Ichiro will could somehow trick the Yankees into retaining Wells and trading Gardner away for a reliever. Is there anyway they could find that one foolish GM to take Ichiro off their hands instead?

  • mustang

    I think the death count to the 189 plan is at 172 (Someone check this for me please) after today.

    That’s with still needing 2nd or 3rd, at least 1 starter, pen (probably can go cheap there) and all the arbitration players.

    Calling on St.A-Rod for X-Mas gift.

    • Tom

      In semi-related news the Red Sox are now at ~188mil (one of the local reporters did the actual calculation)

      Apparently they may have to dump/trade some salary if they want to bring back Drew or add an OF’r.

      Would be kind of funny if the Yankees got under 189mil and the Red Sox ended up over it.

      • mustang

        Yes it would be.

        I’m sure they are crunching the numbers, but take out A-rod’s (27) for a year and add the arbitration players (15) then they are looking at 160.

        So question is do they trade for a SP or 2nd/3rd knowing that they have about 15-20 to play with for what they don’t trade for. I left a little for middle season trades.

        • Tom

          You also have to factor in some pre-arb, league min players (~2mil)
          – Nuno/Phelps/Pineda 5th starter duel
          – Caliborne
          – Betances?
          – Long man (Warren, Huff or one of the guys above)

          Also for no ARod should you be taking 27.5mil off your # or 33.5mil (with the HR bonus) – don’t know how you did your 172 calculation (was that with or without the bonus factored in?)

          • Mikhel

            Baseball Reference has it at $136.9 MM before adding Beltrán, Kuroda, Johnson and Ellsbury and counting an approximate of all arbitration elegible players.

            BUT they also are counting Wells’ salary as the full $21 MM amount, same for Soriano.

            Since Wells will be basically free, we could say 136.9 is correct substituting Wells salary for Ellsbury.

            To $136.9 we have to add:

            $15 MM –> Beltrán.
            $16 MM —> Kuroda.
            $3 MM —> Johnson

            136.9+15+16+3 = 170.9

            They also count Soriano at his full value, but I think it cancells with what the Yanks have to actually pay Wells (basically free though not at all depending of how the yanks reformulated his salary).

            That is before knowing if ARod will be suspended or not.

            The Yanks could very well offer big bucks to other players; I’ve heard Choo, and to dump Wells and trade Gardner to make room for Choo (i’d rather have Gardner in the team and just get rid of Wells).

            The Red Sox are reportedly at $148.5 before adding Napoli for $16 millions.

            • Mikhel

              Sorry: $145.8 MM for Boston + Napoli’s 16.

        • mustang

          172 payroll + 15 arbitration players + pre-arb, league min players (~2mil)- A-rod’s (27.5)= 161.5

          Rumor: “Ichiro Suzuki seems relegated to the bench in New York, so John Shea of the San Francisco Chronicle (Twitter links) thinks the Giants should try to acquire the veteran address their outfield depth.”

          161.5 – Suzuki’s 6.5= 155

          155 + Infante’s 10 = 165

          Leaving 24 million for Masahiro Tanaka and cap space for middle trades.

          They can actually pull it off and keep Gardner.

          • mustang

            Before this started trading Suzuki’s salary would seem impossible but at the current market prices, the fact he might want an everyday job, and with the 3000 hit marketing thing it might not be that crazy.

            Note to above you can put any available free agent SP if Masahiro Tanaka doesn’t get posted.

      • forensic

        I haven’t been paying attention to their payroll at all and just assumed they were down pretty far considering The Trade and losing Ellsbury and other FA’s this offseason (though that was before they resigned Napoli). That seems pretty crazy that they’re up that high.

        • Mikhel

          They spent almost $180 millions in 2013… which is why I chuckle whenever a bosox fan says they won with their farm and low payroll.

  • nuney2damooney

    I beg all members of RAB community to stop suggesting Nunez as a trade chip. .267/.313/.379 as a 26 year old who plays the field like Knoblauch after crushing a 6 pack isn’t desirable. We are offering a younger Brendan Harris (.256/.314/.381) with no defensive ability and who is positionally inflexible.

    • Mikhel

      Knoblauch’s fielding was not a problem, his throws, on the other hand… YIKES!! Even Sax looked good.

  • Kosmo

    Finally Beltran is a Yankee. 10 years of waiting. 25HRs 85 RBI and a .275 Ave ?

    Infante, Prado or Headley next ?

    Prado has 3 years 33 million left on his contract. Arizona might be willing to unload Prado in favor of Davidson.

    • nycsportzfan

      Prado might be one of the only ones out there i’d rather have then Mark Reynolds at this point. A fall back plan i wuolden’t mind if all else fails is seeing what Atlanta would pick up in Uggla’s contract, and bring Uggla in, and play Johnson/Nunez at 3rd, and Johnson/Uggla at 2nd..

      So the way i look at it, this is my top 3hopefuls to get infield set.

      1). Trade for Prado
      2). resign Reynolds
      3). Trade for Uggla

      I think any of those 3situations helps us, as Uggla and reynolds add RH pop, and Prado is a really good hitter, that would just lengthen our lineup even more.

  • WhittakerWalt

    “Carlos BELTS One!!”

    I assume.

    (GROAN)

    • nycsportzfan

      ya, not to exciting and very easy one for Mr Sterling.

  • Nathan

    Beltran > Ichiro
    McCann > Stewart
    Johnson < Cano
    Ellsbury = Granderson

    Production, at first glance without looking at actual numbers, should be pretty close, no?

    • Mikhel

      Beltran > Ichiro
      McCann > Stewart
      Johnson in the short term (1-2 years)
      McCann > Stewart
      Ellsbury > Vernon Wells (who played a lot in 2013 in the OF)

      Johnson comes as a plus, and if the sign Infante or Mark Ellis, their IF offense will be better (specially with Teixeira+Jeter back).

      As for the bench, Ichiro is way better in offense and defense than the reserve outfielders the Yanks played in 2013.

      Yeah, they lost Granderson but he didn’t play most of 2013 and Soriano is basically the same or even better because he has a higher batting average and will be ready to play all season instead of just two months.

      • Mikhel

        WTF? for some odd reason it posted part of the post i was replying to… LOL.

        It was supposed to be:

        As I see it:

        Beltrán = Canó in the short term (1-2 years)
        McCann > Stewart
        Ellsbury > Vernon Wells (who played a lot in 2013 in the OF)

        Johnson comes as a plus, and if the sign Infante or Mark Ellis, their IF offense will be better (specially with Teixeira+Jeter back).

        As for the bench, Ichiro is way better in offense and defense than the reserve outfielders the Yanks played in 2013.

        Yeah, they lost Granderson but he didn’t play most of 2013 and Soriano is basically the same or even better because he has a higher batting average and will be ready to play all season instead of just two months.

        • Jorge Steinbrenner (the rarely spoken-of sibling)

          Those aren’t necessarily the comparisons id make.

          Cano >>>>>>>>> anyone you’ll find to play second
          Ellsbury = to >>>> Stewart
          Beltran > Ichiro

          There’s still not a third baseman or a third starter.

          Excited? Yes. Optimistic? Sure. Still reserving judgement? Oh hell yeah.

  • mko

    And the Yankees are getting older and older…:-/. Let’s hope Carlos ages as well as he has been :-).

  • Bavarian Yankee

    what a day.

  • Go-go-Gosuke

    To the “Now let’s trade Gardner!” crowd: feast your eyes on next year’s free agent list

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....gents.html

    Show me one outfielder there that is actually better than Gardner. It’s slim pickings, folks. That’s one of the reasons they went so hard after Ellsbury.

    If anything, they should work on an extension with Gardner now rather than wait for him to get overpaid in the POS market.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner (the rarely spoken-of sibling)

      I think the Gardner stuff has gone pretty overboard, as can happen on the Internet, but he is less off-the-board today than he was before.

      If he can actually lead a deal that stops the team from paying for Garza, I’d listen. Otherwise, you could probably give Soriano and Beltran a rocking chair out there and have him and Ellsbury cover the entire outfield.

      Hopefully, there’s little digging into the market for an OF in 2015 because Slade and Austin have taken the next step. Hopefully. Probably still either need to re-sign Gardner or replace Soriano’s power, though, and it would be the most extreme of best case scenarios (ie “not going to happen”) if that happens from within.

  • Jorge Steinbrenner (the rarely spoken-of sibling)

    Lots of Ichiro talk here. Has anyone considered that the timing may be right here for the perfect trade partner on him to be Seattle?

    • Grit for Brains

      I lol’ed

  • PaulP

    It is crazy, but in 2005 they could have given Beltran a 10 year deal and got good value in all the years except for the two he was injured.

  • TWTR

    I think it’s funny that Ortiz is thanking the Yankees for not re-signing Cano.

    He has opted to not max out his earning potential by testing free agency in order to stay with the Red Sox.

    That may or may not be to his credit, but obviously his friend has different values.

    • mt

      Interesting what Ortiz thinks about this – obviously they are different players (esecially since Ortiz has negative or zero dfefensive value) and I know there is sabermetrically supposed to be no such thing as clutch. But when you look at Ortiz and his regular season performance (admittedly including a couple of down years when he struugled or had injuries nd looked like he was done but also many gargantuan years) AND include his historic, clutch postseason performace (he not only cae through but came through at extremely high leverage moments)he can look back at his salaries with his 3 year and 2 year deals versus what his friend Cano is going to be paid – wonder if he is not a little bit jealous (monetarily, I mean, I am sure he is ecstatic with his 3 World Series).

      Cano and Jay Z talk about brand and iconic players but Ortiz was central to delivering 2 franchise altering World Series plus an additional one ion 213 – I know that is past performance but if there should have beenanybody that should be overpaid fr past contributions it is David Ortiz – big long-term contract did not really happen for him since Red Sox always have given the sense they are ready to move on, even with iconic players. However, he alone must be responsible for substantial increases in market value and fan support to that franchise (just think of the last 10 years if Red Sox had never won those 3 WS versus how they are viewed now. Red Sox fans have always been rabid and supportive but i have got to believe the cable money and even the attendanc in their small ball park would be lower if the 3 World Series runs had not happened.)

  • HarlemYankee

    Jesus Christ, guys get the age right. He’s THIRTY – SIX. Please correct this immediately.

  • Bill

    Sign Infante NOW. Then forget about line up and focus SOLEY on PITCHING. PRAY that by January 15th A-Rods suspension is upheld for AT LEAST 100 games. If so, then sign Reynolds. If this happens,

    Vs right handed starters (approx 120 games)
    Ellsbury CF
    Jeter SS
    Beltran RF/DH
    Tex 1B
    Soriano DH/RF
    McCann C
    Johnson 2B/3B
    Infante 3B/2B
    Gardner LF Bench of Cervelli (C), Reynolds (1B/3B), Ryan (SS), Suzuki (OF)

    Vs left handed starters (approx 40 games)
    Ellsbury or Gardner CF
    Jeter DH
    Beltran RF
    Soriano LF
    Tex 1B
    Reynolds 3B
    Infante 2B
    Cervelli C
    Ryan SS. Bench of McCann (C), Ellsbury or Gardner (OF), Johnson (2B/3B) , Suzuki (OF)

    Pitching
    Sabathia
    ADDED STARTER from FA or Trade
    Kuroda
    Nova
    Phelps/Huff/Warren/Nuno/Pineda
    Robertson
    Kelley
    Cabral
    Claiborne
    ADDED 1 or 2 RELIEVERS from FA, Rule 5 or TRADE

    Players to Release or Trade
    Wells
    Nunez
    Romine
    Betances
    Assorted Minor Leaguers

  • Csonk

    On the fence with possibility of moving Gardner…but I think it will happen. Gardner + possibly Murphy + Warren or Nuno for Chase Headley & a minor leaguer you’ll never here of again. The Yanks have been after Headley for 2 years (even with A-batross @ 3B). Kelly Johnson is the every day guy @ 2B (for now). STAY AWAY FROM THE FATPANDA!!!
    They campaign hard for Tanaka…not sure how that’ll turn out. But they should DEFINITELY go get the fat man back (Fatolo Colon) – the guy can flat out pitch, never shoulda let him eat & run.
    They have no ACE, no top end – shut down, stop a losing streak, control a playoff game/series type starter….I have no suggestions at this point (teams lock up these type guys early now) – but they aren’t winning any WS without a true Ace caliber guy, no matter how good people want to believe this vastly overrated new line-up semblance is.

  • jay jigga

    Trade Gardner .Nova, and Mason Williams for David Price Yankees need another left hander