With a tattered infield, Yanks need Drew

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Only one spot remains on the Yankees’ bench, and chances are it will go to an infielder. With five outfielders already under contract, and with a questionable infield situation, the Yanks can use any reinforcements they can get at this point. Eduardo Nunez just isn’t going to cut it.

A few decent infielders remain on the free agent list, though Stephen Drew stands out as the greatest potential upgrade. He bounced back nicely last year after suffering a rough ankle injury that kept him out for much of 2011 and 2012. Now a free agent, he has seemingly few landing spots. The Yankees remain a logical match.

According to Jon Heyman, the Yankees are indeed internally discussing Drew as an option. Their chance of landing him “depends on the price,” but now that they’re over $189 million that price matters at least a little less than it did earlier this week.

As a Yankees official said earlier this winter, “We either have to be under $189MM or up over $200MM or more.” According to Cot’s the Yankees figure to be just a hair under $200 million right now, in terms of actual 2014 payroll (the benefits portion of the luxury tax pushes them over). Given that they’ve started every season since 2008 over $205 million in actual payroll, they should certainly have some room.

How much will Drew help? Two factors make him a bit more valuable to the Yankees than straight WAR. First is the team’s potential need at shortstop, not just this year but next year as well. If Jeter can’t cut it, they probably don’t want to fall back on Brendan Ryan as an every day guy. If Jeter is done after this year, Drew becomes even more valuable since he can man shortstop everyday in 2015.

Mike mentioned the second factor in his reflection on the Tanaka signing. A win might be going for $6 or $7 million on the open market, but where the Yankees stand right now each additional win is worth so much more since it brings them closer to the postseason. There isn’t any other player on the market that can more dramatically tip the scales for the Yanks.

Drew does come with his negatives. Most notably, as Mike mentioned when making the case for Drew, he isn’t rated very high defensively, and he doesn’t hit lefties well at all. With Jeter around, the Yanks can mitigate the latter. One point Mike didn’t mention was Drew’s extreme home/road splits in 2013 (.687 OPS on the road and .859 at home), but it’s not as though Drew’s moving from Fenway to PETCO. Yankee Stadium is plenty hitter friendly, and as Mike noted it might suit Drew’s swing very well.

As of right now, it appears Drew has few options. The Mets think he’s too expensive and only want a one-year deal. If that’s the case, we can rule them out because both the Yankees and the Red Sox would offer a similar deal. Then again, the Yankees might not be willing to spend that kind of money.

That would be a mistake. The Yankees have an opportunity to strengthen one of their weaknesses, adding valuable wins in their quest for a postseason berth and World Series Championship No. 28. They’re already over the luxury tax, and there appears no way they’ll slide under it next year or any time in the near future. Why not go all out at this point?

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  • Kenny Faust

    Derek Jeter is absolutely a Yankee icon, and in my personal opinion, he is the greatest Yankee ever. However, he is not the General Manager or the manager. Jeter should be moved to 3B/DH and Stephen Drew signed to play SS on an every day basis. The Yankees would be much stronger for it.

    • Masahiro Dinero

      If Jeter really is a “team first” guy who wants to win one more before he heads down that dusty road, he would approach the powers that be and volunteer to move off shortstop.

    • bpdelia

      It’s debatable I’d jeter is in the top ten Yankees ever. Certainly nowhere close to top five and less than half the player the top two or three guys were.

      • LK

        Not really, no. Jeter is a clear step below Ruth/Gehrig/Dimaggio/Mantle, but he stacks up well with any other player in team history. You can knock him out of the top 5 if you want to put in Berra or Ford, but you’re not finding me 10 better Yankees.

        • Jorge Steinbrenner


        • Yanks20

          Agree with LK…

          My Top Ten:
          1. Ruth
          2. Gehrig
          3. DiMaggio
          4. Mantle
          5. Mo
          6. Berra
          7. Jeter
          8. Ford
          9. Mattingly
          10. Munson

          • MB923

            Good list. I’ll list my Top 5

            1- Ruth
            2- Gehrig
            3- DiMaggio
            4- Mantle
            5- Costanza!!

          • Yankee Fan 1

            I love Mo, but putting him above Berra and Jeter is crazy in my opinion. He’s the best ever at his job, but a top SS and Catcher >>>>>> best reliever.

            • Yanks20

              I was torn with that too…IMO, Jeter, Berra, Mo are the group behind Ruth, Gehrig, DiMag & Mick…in any order you want to put them.

          • Kosmo

            Dickey? Ruffing ?? Lazzeri ? Gomez ?

        • JR

          As I see it:

          Jackson and Munson could probably share the last spot

          • Jorge Steinbrenner

            Munson. Rizzuto. Dickey. Gomez. Plenty of guys from the early dynasties that had some sort of staying power.

            I think there’s plenty of guys to squeeze Mattingly and Jackson out. Hell, I’d be willing to entertain the argument that Williams, Pettitte, and Posada could squeeze both of them out.

            Jeter and Rivera are pretty easily in there, to me.

            • Fernando

              Agree with Jorge. As much as I like Don Mattingly, he doesn’t merit Top 10 Yankee consideration.

    • UncleArgyle

      Don’t underestimate the public humiliation that Jeter would face by moving to third. Remember how much flack Cal Ripken faced from the public when he was moved to third late in his career? Same with Omar Visquel. Wait, what? It wasn’t a big deal at all? And the position switch lengthened each players respective careers? Give me a second, I need to rethink this…..

      • Yankee Fan 1

        I think you have to factor in the big issue here that it might be difficult for a soon to be 40 year old coming off a major surgery to learn a new position.

        • UncleArgyle

          I’m more factoring in that a 40 year old coming off major surgery has no business playing shortstop in Major League Baseball. Jeter hurt the team defensively 10 YEARS AGO, imagine how bad he’ll be now!

          • The Great Gonzo

            ‘Jeter hurt the team defensively 10 YEARS AGO’ is a STRONG statement, but overall I agree that moving Jeter to 3B should at least be considered.

            Also, should A-Rod disappear, it would not be the worst idea to have Jeter as a 3B if he can handle it for next season…

      • Adam from Bay Ridge

        My problem with moving Jeter over to third is that his lack of range stems mostly from his inability to move towards his left side. I think that between that and learning an entirely new position at his advanced age can potentially lead to a disastrous situation.

  • Frank

    If they’re a hair under 200MM then they could, I doubt they will, but COULD still try to get undert 189MM by trading gardner and ichiro. Again, i don’t see it happening and don’t know what that 200MM includes (11MM for beneftis, money for mid-season callups or trades, etc.) but assuming it’s all inclusive of the items I mentioned…they could still be thinking about it. You could move gardner’s whole salary for prospects (if you wanted) and I’m sure they could find someone to pick up ichiro’s salary if they were willing to include a reasonable prospect. Again, not saying they will or should do this but they COULD. If not, then yes…go wild and sign Drew or trade for someone who can actually play third b/c if you’re past 189MM anyway then why be in the middle and miss the playoffs anyway…makes no sense.

    • Need Pitching & Hitting

      Current roster will end up closer to $210M than $200M.

  • Jorge Steinbrenner

    I think he’d make for better depth, but I agree that it’s still about what sort of contract it is. Just because the team has spent a ton of money this offseason doesn’t mean they should overspend on everyone. Is Drew really worth more than, say, the 2/18 the Great Gonzo pointed out in an earlier thread?

    I’d like to have him around. I also don’t want him shoved down my throat in 2016 just because the Yanks decided to give him 4/56 or something.

    • LK

      I’d be pretty wary of 4 years as well, but I can’t imagine it’ll take that given how little interest there’s been. This team has no long term 2B, SS, or 3B, so I have to think he’ll be of use for the next 3 seasons.

    • lightSABR

      Well… I’d say he make for more than better depth. He’d be a significant upgrade to our current starting infield.

      But I agree: if signing Drew now means not signing a better infielder next offseason (say, Chase Headley), then I guess I’ll just live with an 88-win season and hope it magically gets us a wildcard.

      • Rick

        Didn’t know you had to live with an 88 win season already. Thanks for saving me the time of watching all the games!

        • lightSABR

          You’re welcome! Your wife should thank me, too. Maybe you’ll keep the lawn mowed this year.

    • The Great Gonzo

      You know what? I can even be talked into 2/20 for the guy. I liked him “under $10M per” because $10M seemed to be the magic number of what they were still willing to spend this winter.

      But to Jorge’s point, I’d rather it be a slight overpay for 2 seasons than market value for 4.

      • lightSABR

        I’ve wondered for a while why some bigger teams don’t try to take that approach – overpay for short contracts to reduce long-term risk. Maybe the players are just too risk-averse. They know that injuries happen and that every contract could be their last, so they want as much guaranteed money as possible.

  • lou

    I really hope the Yankees get themselves an infield before spring training. Drew, via trade but something has to be done. Even if they signed another SP free agent it leave them wiggle room to package something for an infielder. I think the Yankees need to sit down and talk and decide what their plans are with Gardner after 14. Are they going to keep him because he could be a key piece in getting an infielder. Yankees have a boat load of outfielders but no infielders and some kinda move must be made. This isn’t something that can be looked over or say they’ll get by. It’s something that has to be done.

    • lightSABR

      If we trade Gardner, that will mean starting Ichiro on a regular basis, something like 1 game in 3 when they’re resting Beltran or Soriano. When Ichiro isn’t starting, it means a defensive downgrade in the outfield and a downgrade at the DH spot, since Beltran and Soriano will both be in the outfield. And who exactly is going to be the DH for all of those games? Jeter? Okay, then we have Brendan Ryan’s noodle bat at shortstop.

      It’s possible that they could upgrade the team by trading Gardner, but only if he fetches something really good. Moving him would definitely leave a hole in our lineup, “boat load of outfielders” or no.

      • lightSABR

        And lets not even talk about what happens when Beltran or Ellsbury inevitably gets injured. Heaven help us if they’re both injured at once.

      • Frank

        I agree. Just saying that the owners still could, based on where the payroll reportedly sits, try to get under 189MM and do so. Doesn’t mean it wouldn’t hurt the team. I guess my point is unless they’re going to do that…they need to keep spending b/c this team is very incomplete despite plenty of big names. Plus it’s not proportionate. Too many outfielders. Not enough power. No infield. Light on bullpen help. No clear #5 starter.

  • LK

    Could not possibly agree more. I’ve been posting to this effect for a couple days. Tanaka was a huge signing, but he wasn’t enough. The bullpen is uncertain, but I think they can figure that out. I’d like them to sign another starter, but the rotation they have can get it done. The infield is the area that could hold this team back from the postseason, and Drew could very well be the last opportunity they have to upgrade it unless someone unexpected becomes available via trade. They’ve already given up their 1st and 2nd round picks, so the qualifying offer is no big deal. I mentioned this yesterday, but if they signed Drew he could very well be their best option at 2B, SS, and 3B. Plus, he doesn’t appear to have a robust market, so I can’t imagine he’ll be THAT expensive. This just makes too much sense not to do in my opinion.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      “he doesn’t appear to have a robust market, so I can’t imagine he’ll be THAT expensive”

      Pretty much what I’d be counting on at this point.

      • Yanks20

        I’ve said this a few times on here before, but to keep an open mind let’s try this as a question…The fact is Stephen Drew sucks…the question on the table is does he suck less than?

        A)Brian Roberts (IF healthy should have a better bat than Drew, but that is a big IF)

        B)Brendan Ryan (bat not belongs in A ball, better glove than almost any SS)

        C)Kelly Johnson (playing time limited so glove unknown, bat should be much better, so there are unknowns here, but I’m expecting to see the most ABs from him of the 4)

        D)Eduardo Nunez (more lively bat, glove is abysmal, some unknown youth as well)

        IMO, adding Drew just give us a 5th misfit to add to this group, so if we need to spend millions on a misfit…doesn’t make sense.

        There is only 1 scenario I can see adding Drew: If somehow they get Jeter to move to 3rd then Drew is our best option at SS, since Ryan has the only glove that can compare, but we might as well use the DH for him instead of the pitcher.

        • LK

          If you lump Drew in with Roberts/Ryan/Johnson/Nunez, then yes, there’s no reason to sign him. You’d have to be just about the most pessimistic person on Drew to do that, though.

          • Yanks20

            His numbers and health don’t show to be much better.

            • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead

              His projections range from ~2 WAR up to 4 War.

              Health is a concern, but on pure talent, I don’t know how you could possible talk about Drew and Nunez in the same breath.

              • Yanks20

                You’re right can’t really compare them on talent…

                Drew has played 7-8 years as a starter to prove he has no talent, but to be a bat ninth, decent glove, NL SS.

                Nunez has had 3 years of part-time play where defense (and injuries, I’ll give you that) has limited his ability to get enough at bats to show his talent.

                As for WAR, I don’t believe in it as stat at all. It is completely relative to WHO the replacement is. Therefore any team with depth will inherently have players with lower WAR.

                • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead

                  Nope, you’re misunderstanding WAR.


                  • Need Pitching & Hitting

                    He’s horribly, horribly misunderstanding WAR.

                • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead

                  And wtf, he is hardly a “bat ninth”.

                  Career 96 wrc+ is basically an average bat. Plus, he’s a shortsop who isn’t Hanley Ramirez, so the nature of the position means he’ll be batting lower in the order. How does that have anything to do with anything?

                  He’s a better bat than Ryan, a better glove than Jeter, a better everything than Nunez.

                  You’re making me defend Drew even though I don’t want to sign him. Thank you for that.

                  Your only valid point is health. YOU brought up numbers, yet they don’t remotely prove your point.

                  • The Great Gonzo

                    wait, don’t pitchers bat ninth in the NL?

                  • lightSABR

                    Right. I keep harping on this, but the average shortstop hits 85 wRC+. Brendan Ryan is a career 71 wRC+ hitter. 96 wRC+ would be a huge upgrade over what we can expect right now.

                • Yanks20

                  I forgot to mention that…I’m not opting for Nunez as our everyday 3B…I’ll just take it over Drew with a 9 mil(or more)price tag. We have other needs…please don’t waste your time with Drew unless Jeter is moving to 3B.

                  • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead

                    Why do you want Jeter to move to 3B? His bat plays WAY better at SS, and there’s no real hope that his D will be any better at 3B.

                    Come on man, I don’t want Drew. Clearly you don’t either. That doesn’t mean you have to pretend he’s something he isn’t.

                    • OldYanksFan

                      Correct. At SS, he gives up many Singles a year. At 3B, he gives up a number of Singles and a number of Doubles. I will guarantee his WAR at 3rd will be significantly less than his WAR at SS.

                      And at 3rd, anything hit to his right with mean a throw that bounces 3 times before it reaches Teixeira.

                    • Yanks20

                      First…yes..I clearly misunderstood WAR, but if you read my post below on not defending Nunez I think you’ll understand what I was trying to say.

                      As for Jeter, I love him as a hitter and actually believe that he’ll be back to 2012 form this year. I just think his range could hurt us, but not enough to put Ryan’s bat in the lineup everyday…that was my thought on the only way to sign Drew was if Jeter moves to 3B.

                • OldYanksFan

                  “It is completely relative to WHO the replacement is”
                  This is really pretty funny!

    • http://twitter.com/#!/Clay_Bellinger Clay Bellinger

      “This just makes too much sense not to do in my opinion.”

      My thoughts exactly. Makes wayyy too much sense.

    • Masahiro Dinero

      I agree.

      The bullpen will work itself out. D-Rob will be a fine closer, the middle/long relief will be fine with the 5th starter losers, and there’s always some kind of flash from a AAA call up or midsession pickup.

      The rotation is fine. The top 4 are set, and the 5th spot goes to a young guy… There’s no reason to pick up another FA for that last spot.

      Only place that makes some sense is the infield, but it think that’s also contingent on Jeter coming to grips with his age and ability in the field as much as it is picking up another FA.

  • Darren

    Didn’t Cashman already say that they weren’t going to sign Drew? That was dumb.

    In any case, yes, please sign him. If everything goes magically well and Jeter plays 100 games at SS, Drew will get 60 games at his natural position without even thinking. More importantly, for the love of Chili Davis, Rock Raines, Jim Leyritz and Darryl Strawberry, we absolutely goddamn need a decent bat off the bench. The Cervelli/Ryan/Ichiro/Sizemore bench looks like the bench version of last year’s infield – i.e., an all time nightmare.

    I’d give him 3 years at $45mm

  • Kosmo

    I`ll go along with Fangraph´s projection of 3/33. That figure seems fair given the market.
    Drew hasn´t played a full season in 3 years so he´s a bit of a health risk. I suppose NY could do worse.

    Why not trade for Franklin or Gregorius (if available)or hold off until Cabrera becomes a FA in 2015?

    • LK

      Do you mean Miguel Cabrera? Because I want no part of his long-term, massive money contract that begins in his mid-30s near the Yankees.

      • Kosmo

        Asdrubal is a FA SS in 2015 he´ll be 29 and IMHO is a better all around SS than Drew.

        • LK

          Ah OK, that makes sense. My concern with Asdrubal is I think he gets overpaid, and I’m skeptical that he’ll be able to stick at SS much longer. But I can see liking him more than Drew.

        • OldYanksFan

          True. But think of this. With a name like ‘Asdrubal’, what could Sterling’s HR calls possibly be?

          (He drubal’ed the ball over the wall!)?

          • The Great Gonzo

            OR….. OR

            What would Girardi call him?

            Azzy? Druby? Cabby???? Buley?!?!?!

      • Chip Rodriguez

        This. The knees, the groin, the generally minimal mobility… I really hope the Tigers just extend him, so that the Yankees aren’t even tempted to bid on him.

    • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead

      It’s easy to ask “Why not trade for X” without having any idea what the details would be.

      Why would Seattle trade Franklin? Why would Gregorius be available? Even if they’re available, how are we going to trade, we don’t really have much depth besides Gardner and some low minors high upside guys, who IMO we should be holding on to.

      Drew just costs money, which the Yankees have a lot of.

      • Kosmo

        I`m only offering up possibilities. Why overpay for a so-so injury prone 31 yr old SS. Drew hasn´t played a full season in 3 years. Yanks need to get younger and without internal options at SS maybe it´s a better idea to look to match up for example with Arizona or Seattle for a young cost controlled SS. Why wouldn´t Seattle trade Franklin ? I believe Seattle has decided to go with Brad Miller at SS and whats his name at 2B.

        We sign Drew for 1 or 2 years and then what ?

        • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead

          I don’t want to sign Drew, personally. I don’t think he’s worth the money; I’d rather wait for Asdrubal, or scrape together SS and upgrade other places.

          I just don’t think that there’s a better, realistic option, than Drew, if we want to upgrade this offseason.

          • Kosmo

            I agree on Drew. As I´ve stated IMO Asdrubal is the younger better alternative. I think Jeter could very well handle 135-140 games at SS with Ryan as his late inning replacement.
            I wonder if Drew is willing to be everyones stop gap SS ?

  • CashmanNinja

    There is ONLY one way I’d agree to them getting Drew and that’s if they get him for CHEAP. He has absolutely no market right now and it’s because other teams are wary. He isn’t the best defensively, he’s had some injuries, and his splits may cause some teams a little concern. I’m very wary of him. If he could be had for a very good deal then fine, but I don’t think he’s such a vast improvement over others. Yeah, Nunez sucks, but I feel shortstop is one of those positions where defense is a tad more important than offense. If Brendan Ryan has to man the position a bit more than expected than so be it. I just don’t think Drew is all that great. He’s better than what we have, but you need to add in the price and years into the equation. Unless he comes here on a good deal, which I doubt since he’s a Boras client, then I think he’ll wind up with the Mets or something.

  • FLYER7

    I too always compare Yankee benches to Raines, Straw and the like…the bench could use a bat, gloves and legs do not make a bench, that may be wear the Sox have an edge but there will be days when a Beltran or Soriano could be available to pinch hit or even Jeter or Kelly Johnson but Cervelli, Ryan and Ichiro does leave many moves to pinch hit

  • jim

    I agree they need drew but at what cost their lineup is good enough already they need bullpen help sign Rodney first then drew . They should sign another starter too and have pineda Start in the minors for now

  • Dalek Jeter

    Let me preface this with I understand that Drew is the best available FA infielder and I know projections aren’t the end all be all, but I seriously don’t know if he’s worth it. Option 1: he plays SS and Jeter moves to third, the more positive projection puts Jeter as the 29th most valuable 3rd baseman, at 1.1 fWAR. Option 2: Drew moves to third and is the team’s regular 3rd baseman, he projects to be the 26th best at 2.0 fWAR. Both are good as offensive SS, but moving them off shortstop decreases their value greatly.

    • LK

      I would have 2 responses.

      1. 2B is probably going to available for much of the season as well and needs to be taken in to account, unless you want to count on Brian Roberts playing 150 games. Basically, right now they need to get 3 positions out of Roberts, Jeter, Johnson, and Ryan, one of which has to go to Jeter or Ryan any given day, all of which is terrifying. I don’t think there will be a day this season when Drew isn’t their best option at at least one of the IF spots.

      2. I think you’re right that in a vacuum Stephen Drew the 3B is not all that valuable, WAR-wise. However, as we saw last year, replacement level is not necessarily the worst case scenario, especially if you’re scrambling for infielders midseason. Drew could be worth 1.5 WAR and still be a 2-3 win upgrade for the Yanks with their current alternatives. And, given where they are on the win curve, those 2-3 wins are immensely valuable.

      I don’t think they should sign him for a bunch of years, but if he’s available for a reasonable contract he really does fit this roster.

    • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead

      Come on man.

      Scott Sizemore is our third baseman.

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

        Kelly Johnson is probably our third baseman. Scott Sizemore would need to prove that the top of his leg can remain reasonably connected to his toes during strenuous physical activity, and that he has remembered what to do with a baseball bat during the two seasons that wasn’t so. Other than that, I’m pretty bullish on Scott Sizemore. :)

        • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead

          You doubting Anthony, you.

          • Jorge Steinbrenner

            I actually had to think about whether we had an Anthony in the infield mix for a second.

            • lightSABR

              We should. Anthony, suit up.

        • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead


          Kelly Johnson since 2007

          Games played at 2B: 809
          Games played at 3B: 16.

          • Jorge Steinbrenner

            This does not compute with another conversation we’re having on the same man.

            • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead

              Who’s more foolish, the fool, or the fool who assumes that the original fool knew what he was talking about?

  • Oops I Crapped My Pants

    I would say no to Drew. I just think he is a slightly better version of the misfits we have in the infield/backup role guys we have now. If your going to blow past 200 mil on the budget, do for a bigger impact player, but not Drew.

    We could always platoon 3rd base with Kelly Johnson and one of the right hitting misfits. I think offesensively we could be league average with that. Given the lineup we will be putting out, average numbers from 3rd is enough. Defensively, it could be a weak left side.

    I hope Cashman can make a trade for a piece that would fit. With any luck it would clear a roster spot in the process for the player coming back in the trade.

  • TWTR

    I would only give Drew a one year contract because there are some attractive potential free agents for SS/3B after this season.

  • Billyballs

    Listen signing Drew makes no sense in this regard:

    1- losing another draft pick

    2-farm is very thin and need draft picks

    3-Drew defense is avg at best and he struggles against lefties, he is not a third baseman and his production would be avg and is that worth a two or three year contract ?

    4-Nunez bat can be just as good as Drew, Nunez has speed, Nunez defense right now is below avg but he played avg defense last year.

    5-Yankee fans tend to want, want, want but refuse to allow Nunez or Sizemore or someone they don’t have to give two year contract and draft pick up for

    6-this is really our only position of concern with the platoon at second. We have two prospects in jagiello and kotohe who may be ready in 2015. Be patient and drive up his price for the Red Sox but do not sign him.

    That’s my case and I stand by it.

    • Max

      Nunez’s bat can only be as good as Drew’s if Drew regresses. Nunez is not a starter and his glove is not as good as Drew’s, even if Drew is a below average defender.

      Not saying that they should sign Drew, but your faith in the current crop is unfounded, in my opinion.

      Those prospects that you referred to are a long ways off. Lots can happen between now and 2015 (and probably will).

      The Yankees need help and while I agree that it should not come from Drew, it should come from somewhere outside the organization.

    • LK

      While I disagree, most of what you say makes sense.

      However, they’re not re-stocking the farm with the 3rd round pick they’d lose for Drew.

      2013’s 3rd rounder? One Michael O’Neill, he of the .575 OPS in rookie ball.

      2012? Nathan Mikolas, .760 OPS in 2013 repeating rookie ball.

      With the current spending restrictions on the draft, the chances of getting an impact player in the 3rd round are extremely low.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      Jagielo has an extreme outside shot of being ready to get some at-bats in 2015. There’s not a planet on which Kotoh has that chance.

      I like Sizemore, but not enough to stand pat on him. I’ve seen enough Nunez for multiple lifetimes.

      Losing the draft pick this season doesn’t bother me much.

      Otherwise, I do agree with you. He’s still not a perfect fit.

      • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead


        Everyone laughs until he puts up 3.5 WAR this year.

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          I really like him.

          For the record, the last buy-really-low guy I liked this much was Brennan Bosch and CLEARLY that worked out well.

          Now show me the GIF of Bosch gingerly walking past a rolling single in the outfield.

      • Chip Rodriguez

        “I like Sizemore, but not enough to stand pat on him”

        Fair enough, it’s not like Sizemore can stand pat on anything for any length of time before getting injured.

    • http://www.twitter.com/_swarlesbarkley Mark Teixeira – Ghostbuster (formerly Drew)

      Jagiello ready by 2015, as in next year? What are you smoking? Because I would like to have whatever reality alternating drug that you are currently ingesting.

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

        He won’t be ready, but there’s an aggressive route by which he gets September at-bats for which everything has to go right on.

    • Need Pitching & Hitting

      Did you say Nunez played avg defense last year?

      Or did I misunderstand?

    • BrahNick

      In what world is Nunez’s bat almost as good as Drew’s? Nunez is a AAA player at best.

    • Need Pitching & Hitting

      There’s a good reason Yankee fans don’t want Nunez.
      He’s awful. Like really, really awful. Like hide the women and children awful.

  • UncleArgyle

    For me its borderline insane to spend $480 Mil in one offseason and then field a team with a DH playing the most important defensive position on the field. Conservatively, if Jeter is the everyday shortstop he’ll cost the team at least 50 runs. Jeter needs to move to third where his epic lack of range is less exposed. If he insists on staying at Short this year, and the Yankees acquiesce, it will only serve to embarrass the player, the team, and the fan base. Sign Drew to platoon with Ryan, or just punt the offense and go with Ryan full time.

  • Frank

    Drew makes sense if he’s going to play SS. Since he’s not…even though he’d likely be the incumbent if not for someone’s history…his value is less than what it would be….especially to the NYY.

  • Jersey Joe

    He’s just not that good. We’re essentially paying for another Kelly Johnson, except KJ doesn’t really need a platoon partner because of his reverse platoon split.

  • Dicka24

    I’d offer 2/$20 at the most. Want it, take it. Don’t want it, cya. Offensively, is there any real difference between Kelly Johnson and Drew? Defensively, there might not be that big a drop either. Certainly not $20-30 million worth of difference.

    Drew’s options are truly limited. I thought he was foolish to turn down the QO. $14 million for one season would have made sense for him, and then hit the market the following season all over again. The Sox wouldn’t likely offer it twice with him accepting already the first time, and Bogarts a year readier for the starting gig. Stupid move. Shades of Jason Varitek and his arrogance with respect to his worth.

    • lightSABR

      Why are you treating this as a choice between Kelly Johnson and Drew? Jeter’s going to spend a third of the season at DH. Roberts is going to spend half the season resting or injured. Signing Drew means we see less Brendan Ryan and Scott Sizemore, not less Kelly Johnson.

  • http://riveravenueblues mississippi doc

    Top five greatest Yankees: Ruth, Gehrig, Dimaggio, Mantle, Berra. Next five includes, in whatever order, Dickey,Ford,Rivera,Jeter,Henderson. How do you rank Rodriguez and Clements? They are all time greats, albeit very tainted. And what about terrific Yankees with shorter primes or Yankee careers, e.g., Winfield,Mattingly,Mussina,Flash Gordon,Guidry,Munson,Heinrich,Reynolds,Pennock. We’ve had a lot of great players.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      I would rank Pat Clements right below Lee Guetterman.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      In all seriousness, other than Rickey, that’s a solid top nine.

    • Kosmo

      Ruffing ?? Lazzeri ? Gomez ? Waite Hoyt ? Earl Coombs ?

      • Kosmo

        I forgot Bill Dickey.

  • blehmann

    I do not understand the negatives in this discussion. Realistically, one third of the lineup is coming from four players: Jeter, Johnson, Roberts, and Ryan. Two are old and injury prone, one cannot hit a lick, and one is a very good utility player who might well get exposed over a full season. We can afford this for one slot, maybe two, but not three. Of course, last year’s experience suggests that running out players with such attributes at two positions is fatal so I am probably being too optimistic in any event. Stephen Drew is the only obvious answer on the board.

    • mitch

      I agree. Drew isn’t a perfect solution, but he’s the best one available. I really like the idea of freeing up Kelly Johnson to play multiple positions. That gives the team so much more flexibility.

      Sign Drew to be the semi-regular 3B. Johnson would get plenty of innings at 2B and 3B and also as the 5th OF. Ryan would be backup SS. Canzler (or ideally Jeff Baker) could round out the bench as a backup corner infielder and emergency outfielder. Sizemore, Anna, Nunez, and ALmonte to AAA. Ichiro put out to pasture.

  • Willie

    i rather see them get the Cuban Shortstop Diaz than Drew

  • BrahNick

    I don’t know why I’ve read people saying that Nunez’s bat is as good or better than Drew’s when Nunez has a career total of .267 avg/10 hr/76 rbi in four years. Thats basically what Drew hit last season alone (13 hr/67rbi). Drew has 2-3 WAR potential he averages about 2.5 a season ( while Nunez has a career -1.7 WAR).
    Why are we defending Eduardo after all these years? He’s hurt our team way more than he’s helped. I cannot as a Yankee fan understand for the life of me why he is so popular among fans and the organization.

    I’d take Drew in a heartbeat at 4yr/45mm or something in that neighborhood.

    • Yanks20

      I was not defending Nunez…I’m saying he is pretty much our worst option in house and still a better option than signing Drew for this reason… we are talking about paying a guy 9 mil plus who is barely better than the 4 other options we have (6 including Anna & Sizemore). Therefore when Roberts goes down, I’d rather use Nunez as a call up from AAA than have Drew & Ryan clogging up roster spots all year with no options.

      Look, if money is no object, then you could argue, our best 2B/3B option (w/o moving Jeter) would be Roberts, 2B, Johnson 3B with Drew getting ABs at all 3 spots, 9 mil for a 5th IF is just a bit much…Especially if we are stuck with him after this year.

      I wasn’t saying Nunez better, I was saying Drew is not worth the price considering what we already have as a whole is not far from any upgrade Drew would give us.

      • Need Pitching & Hitting

        5th IF?
        Drew would be a starter.
        He’ll likely outplay any of the 2B, SS, 3B options on the team at this point.

        • Yanks20

          Clearly you are watching a different Stephen Drew than I am.

          • lightSABR

            Right. We’re talking about the Stephen Drew who hit 109 wRC+ last year, which is 8 points better than Kelly Johnson (101 wRC+), 19 points better than Brian Roberts (90 wRC+), 24 points better than the average major-league shortstop (85 wRC+), and 26 points better than Nunez (83 wRC+).

            Which Stephen Drew are you talking about?

      • LovedtheMick

        I know this board deplores Nunez, but I think he’s not that bad an option IF he stays healthy. Sure he’ll boot some – but if you add his speed to Gardner, Ellsbury and with luck a healthy Roberts, the Yanks will have a unique combo of power and speed in their lineup. Just need to get him a chinstrap for his helmet!

      • lightSABR

        Are you expecting Roberts to play 150 games? That’s not going to happen. Who’s going to play the 80-plus games that Roberts sits out?

  • Fernando

    Please no Drew. He didn’t want to come here before, so forget him. He isn’t worth losing a pick for, even if it’s no longer a first rounder. Boras needs to stop floating Yankee rumors..they are not signing him.

  • Mike Pagliarulo

    I’m in great shape, and willing to come to camp on a minor league deal. Anyone here know Cashman’s number?