2015 Midseason Review: The Non-LOOGYs

More pitching depth a must at the trade deadline even if it creates a roster squeeze
2015 Midseason Review: The New-Look Bullpen With An Even Newer-Look

The Yankees overhauled their bullpen this offseason, so much so that just one reliever was on both the 2014 and 2015 Opening Day rosters. That, of course, was Dellin Betances. The Yankees had a new closer, a new long reliever, and a new middle innings crew to start this season, and they were heavy on left-handers for the first time in years. Two of those southpaws haven proven to be way more than the average Lefty One Out GuY.

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The Lefty They’ve Been Waiting For

By my count the Yankees made five trades involving bonafide MLB caliber players this past offseason, and the very first one sent Francisco Cervelli to the Pirates for lefty Justin Wilson. To date it has been a perfect win-win trade — the Pirates got a starting catcher to replace Russell Martin while the Yankees beefed up their bullpen and cleared the backup job for John Ryan Murphy. Both teams have to be pleased with the return halfway through the 2015 season.

Wilson came to New York with a reputation for throwing hard and not always throwing strikes, which is pretty much exactly what he’s done during his first three and a half months in pinstripes. His fastball has averaged 95.0 mph this season — only the inhuman Aroldis Chapman (99.6 mph!) has a higher average fastball velocity among lefty relievers — and he’s walked 10.9% of batters faced. Last year those numbers were 95.0 mph and 11.7%, respectively.

The walks are annoying, but Wilson excels at missing bats (24.8 K% in 2014 after 23.8 K% last year) and keeping the ball on the ground (50.0 GB% after 51.3 GB% last year). That’s a good combination. I’ll take my chances with a guy who misses bats and gets grounders, even if he walks a few too many. Wilson is also effective against righties, which is huge. Righties are hitting .159/.266/.246 (.240 wOBA) against him with a 26.6 K% and a 53.2 GB%. That’s after Wilson held righties to a .279 wOBA last year and a .258 wOBA the year before.

The success against righties is not new and Joe Girardi is aware of that — he’s used Wilson as a full-inning reliever for weeks now. That wasn’t the case in April because Wilson walked way too many righty batters out of the gate, but Andrew Miller‘s injury forced Girardi to use Wilson for full innings and he’s responded in a big way. He has a 1.23 ERA (2.76 FIP) with 27.2 K% and a manageable 8.6 BB% in 22 innings over the last two months. That works!

With all due respect to Boone Logan, who had some solid years for the Yankees, Wilson is the kind of left-handed reliever the club has been trying to acquire since Mike Stanton left as a free agent. Hard-throwing, strikeout and ground ball heavy, able to get righties out. No one’s perfect, he does walk too many, but otherwise Wilson has every quality you want in a late-inning reliever. He’s a legitimate setup man. He just happens to throw lefty.

Chasin’ Shreve

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(Presswire)

The last of those five offseason trades brought the relatively unknown Chasen Shreve to the Yankees in January. I’m a total baseball nerd and even I hadn’t heard of Shreve at the time of the trade. The Yankees decided it was time to stop waiting for Manny Banuelos, so they turned him into Shreve and David Carpenter, the latter of whom flopped spectacularly in pinstripes.

Shreve was on the verge of getting pushed out of baseball last year when he reinvented himself as a hard(er) thrower, and while the extra velocity is nice, he’s emerged as a trusted reliever in New York because of his split-finger fastball. That’s the pitch that has allowed him to post a 2.02 ERA (3.27 FIP) with 26.8 K% in 35.2 innings this year, his first extended taste of big league action. Shreve doesn’t have great walk (9.4%) or ground ball (39.5%) numbers, but they haven’t hurt him yet.

Like Wilson, Shreve has been ultra-effective against right-handed hitters this season. Wilson does it with velocity, Shreve with the splitter. Righties have put up a .141/.224/.260 (.215 wOBA) batting line with a 23.3 K% against Shreve so far this year, and Girardi has regularly brought him into games to put out fires. Ten of his last 21 appearances have come mid-inning with men on base. Eight of those appearances have come with the score separated by no more than two runs. Shreve in inherited 15 runners in those eight games and one scored. One!

As Katie explained recently, Shreve’s splitter has been a difference-maker for him and the Yankees. There was a question of whether he would even make the team out of Spring Training — Shreve had a 4.76 ERA in camp and was especially yucky in late-March — and then once the season started, he really didn’t have a role. Well he did have a role, he was the last guy out of the bullpen, but Shreve continued to get outs and has become a critical part of the relief crew.

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Both Wilson and Shreve pitched their way into the Circle of Trust™ in the first half thanks in large part to their work when Miller was sidelined. They both stepped up and assumed high-leverage innings, and the Yankees didn’t miss a beat. With Miller back, Wilson and Shreve will now be Girardi’s go-to middle innings weapons. That they both throw left-handed but can get right-handed hitters out is a bonus.

More pitching depth a must at the trade deadline even if it creates a roster squeeze
2015 Midseason Review: The New-Look Bullpen With An Even Newer-Look
  • LazerTown

    I didn’t like giving up Franky, but Wilson has been better than you really could have imagined.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Given that Cervelli is shining in a different role than he would have had here, I also don’t particularly mind it at all. I’m fine with what SKJRM is doing as BUC. Wilson’s a better fit in his role here.

      Sometimes, both teams really do win.

      • Austinmac

        Yep. Both teams are better off.

      • The Great Gonzo

        Its been a win win, agreed.

  • Rob Reddardfsnyder

    Justin Wilson A
    Chasen Shreve A+

    The Yankees haven’t had lefties like this since Damaso Marte in 2009, and that’s the last time they won the WS. Logan was terrible, Thorton was awful. It was so bad they turned to Rich Hill for lefty relief. I think they have the deepest pen in baseball and it’s because of Wilson and Shreve.

    • TheEvilUmpire

      Really, relievers who can get anyone out are the most valuable commodity, regardless of handedness. Add Betances and Miller and they have a foursome like they’ve never had since the dynasty years!

  • Tom

    When hitters are Chasen the splitter, Shreve is dealing.

  • Vern Sneaker

    Those two plus Betances and Miller — what a bullpen! I’ve gotten so I take it for granted, but we’d be dead without them.

  • Looser Trader FotD™

    99.6!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Some Asshole

      He must have a fever, because that’s hot.

      I’ll show myself out.

  • Robinson Tilapia

    Both guys firmly entrenched in the most important circle: The Robinson Tilapia Circle of Trust. This is despite neither truly passing the Cobain test.

    • TheEvilUmpire

      I personally don’t trust anyone who died before Kurt Cobain was born.

  • LarryM Fl

    If the Yankee brass has the stones with acquiring of a front line starter then CC goes to the bullpen. The further development of Nova is a necessary situation. CC’s best days are behind him. The Front office will make the proper decision. The Yankees are moving away from the Boss’s pattern of ownership to a more from within approach unless the piece is outside the organization. I applaud their change.

    • Tom

      But Hal is so cheap.

      • TripleShortOfACycle

        For their revenues yes he is cheap

        • Tom

          That might be true but the boss’s way of doing things doesn’t work in today’s game either.

          • TripleShortOfACycle

            Totally agree but there was no reason to lose out on Moncada.

            • Tom

              If certain players in Scranton are as good as advertised, maybe they won’t regret not getting him.

            • Some Asshole

              Something something something 600 word essay hubris.

              /bigdan’d

  • grandedan

    Iwakuma would immediately become the Yanks No. 3 starter. That would work for the post season but also push either CC, Eovaldi or Nova to the bullpen and be an upgrade the rest of the way. Sort of like getting Kuroda back.

    Sanchez?

    • calripyankee

      I think I like the Iwakuma idea, better than most I’ve seen..

      • grandedan

        Fits Cashman mid-season MO too. He’ll think he’s getting a discount.

        • calripyankee

          Iwakuna’s a FA after the season, so that could lesson the prosper haul it would take to get him.. Sanchez and maybe one of the other OF prospects.. Cave?? D Fowler?? B Gamel??

          • grandedan

            Something like that. Maybe a Goody. I’m not sure Cash wants to give up Sanchez for a rental but if that’s what it takes (and who really knows what the Mariners think of him) I think he should pull the trigger. Sanchez has a dubious future with the Yanks to say the least.

            • calripyankee

              Yep.. I doubt you could get much better than an Iwakuma for Sanchez..

              • Greggreen

                the dude has a 5.22 era, try buying low before you give up sanchez.

                • calripyankee

                  8 shut out Inns his last time out.. His 2nd start since coming off the DL.. If you think Iwakuma’s as 5+ ERA starting pitcher, then well.. …

                  • Greggreen

                    you should definitely use it as leverage. Id love to give ya more and i understand hes healthy now but the era and flip are still very high. that kind of thing

                • grandedan

                  That’s only because he was hurt and is just now healthy. Had he not been hurt, you’d have to give up a top prospect to get him. Hence the discount.

                  • Ewing33

                    Sanchez is definitely a fair offer, but not sure if that would be much of a discount at all.

                  • Gregory Eckes

                    Iwakuma struggled in his first 4 starts, but pitched a gem against the Angels in his last start. Could be worth a look.

                • The Great Gonzo

                  Maybe they’ll throw in Jesus Montero….

    • Ewing33

      Great Iwakuma call. Love it. Get it done Cash!

  • Some Asshole

    And yet, the Yankees could still have superhero Frankie Cervelli and kept Josh Outman. I hear from a Jeff Schultz source that he’s poised to break out any day now.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      I saw Chaz Roe pitch against us in Baltimore. Imagine if he were still here.

      • Some Asshole

        Chaz is such a … handsome name.

  • blake

    These two guys along with Warren and Mitchell have made a very beefy middle of the bullpen to set up Betances and Miller.

    Joe clearly has grown to trust the depth he has out there…..he literally has 6 guys who are good-excellent and he’s been showcasing them by quick hooking his back end starters. It’s helping them win games and it’s pretty cool

  • The Original Drew

    Remember at the beginning of the season when Chris Martin was apart of the Circle of Trust™? Good times.

    • Deep Thoughts

      Bring up Lindgren!

    • Tom

      And the gas can.

      • Some Asshole

        Coldplay and the Gas Can. Mornings on 66, WFAN New York!

  • Centaur Hips

    If Carpenter worked out this might have been the best pen in baseball. It’s still around the top without him. Really impressive group.

  • calripyankee

    I hope Warren can revert back to the reliever he was before he became a SP..

    • grandedan

      Didn’t look too good last couple of outings. Bouncing back and forth can’t be great for the mind or the body.

  • Gregory Eckes

    Quick quiz. Name the team that leads the NL in runs scored. (dont peek)

    • Tom

      Pirates

      • Gregory Eckes

        No

        • Tom

          Reds

          • Gregory Eckes

            Nope.

            • Tom

              Dodgers

            • Ewing33

              Rockies?

              • Gregory Eckes

                Incorrect

                • Ewing33

                  My second guess was Dodgers but that seemed too obvious

                • Ewing33

                  You could have probably given me 10 guesses and I still might have missed it. Rockies are second though and only 3 runs behind.

    • Frittoman626

      Dodgers?

      • Gregory Eckes

        Wrong

        • Frittoman626

          Rockies

          • Frittoman626

            Nvm, I see below

    • Axis of Mike

      Nobody guessed the Cardinals. I’m guessing that has to be wrong. Mets?!

      • Gregory Eckes

        HAHA

        • Axis of Mike

          I just peeked! It is quite a surprise!

          • Tom

            It can’t be the Marlins.

            • Gregory Eckes

              The answer is the D-Backs

    • Tom

      Mets

      • Frittoman626

        ^Funniest comment of the day goes to

      • Axis of Mike

        They’re near the bottom. I would NEVER have guessed this one.

        • Tom

          Phillies

    • Tom

      Phillies

    • Some Asshole

      But the strategy of having an offense and horrid pitching was foolproof! How!?

    • Axis of Mike

      What about how many runs more the Jays have than the 2nd place Yanks! 486-409, wow.

      • Tom

        The Jays pitching has been great to other teams.

      • Tony Wilson

        They have a terrific offense but the Yankees offense while not quite as potent as theirs is good enough to beat them out considering the two staffs.

        • Axis of Mike

          Agreed! Let’s see if they make any significant upgrades. If they had pitching they’d be scary.

          • Tony Wilson

            Yep

    • Tony Wilson

      So in spite of their inconsistencies at times, the only team in baseball that had scored more runs than the Yankees are the Blue Jays? Impressive.

  • Tom_hamsandwich

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/the-least-valuable-player-on-every-mlb-team/ss-AAd23oL?ocid=AARDHP
    Off topic, but MSN lists the least valuable players on each team. Notables: CC for the Yanks and Shane Greene for the Tigers.

    • TheEvilUmpire

      So you’re saying Didi Gregorius is more valuable than Shane Greene? Cashman… didn’t fail?

    • Robinson Tilapia

      That is some list, with some surprising names.

      • Sir Didi Nakamura

        Just put Ichiro to get some name recognition in there. 4th OF is your least valuable player? Glad to know your team is like 30 games over .500! Oh wait, they aren’t. Weird.

  • Frittoman626

    I think that if there was any pitcher that I see the Yankees adding before the deadline, it would be Jeff Samardzija. Here’s why:
    -He would be cost a lot less to get than Hamels/Cueto/Price
    -While he’s been overrated by many, there’s no question that the guy does have the stuff to be dominant.
    -He’s a rental, but if the Yankees were to want to resign him, it shouldn’t be too difficult (unless he dominates in the playoffs). His value is probably around what Shields got last offseason.
    -In a SSS, he’s pitched well against the AL East (besides one bad start against Baltimore earlier this season).

    The guy could probably be had for Sanchez, Mitchell, and one of their many bullpen arms in the minors. Thoughts?

    • Ewing33

      I think it is a fair offer, but I wouldn’t do it. I think he is a mid rotation starter, and giving up Sanchez and Mitchell whose value seems to be rising is too much.

      • Frittoman626

        I’ll agree that Sanchez’s value is rising, but disagree with Mitchell. The guy has been good for them out of the pen, but he hasn’t exactly been used for much more than a guy who pitches in when winning or losing by a lot.

        • Ewing33

          Fair enough. But I think Mitchell is the type of guy I would try to steal from the Yanks in a deal like that. If the Yanks do offer that, I think it could be the best offer they get. We shall see.

    • Axis of Mike

      Based on recent trends I’m guessing they get somebody decent but not top-of-the-line. I hope I’m wrong. I’d like to see them go all in for a pennant this year.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      As good an idea as any. I think your price tag may be more than I’d be willing to go.

      • Frittoman626

        The offer was more of an idea of what it could take to get him. He could probably be had for less.

    • Vern Sneaker

      And who’s out after the trade? CC, not a chance. Are u giving up on Eovalid or Nova for a rental and the loss of these prospects?

      • Frittoman626

        CC would be the obvious choice, but I wouldn’t be opposed to taking out Nova. Samardzija has better stuff than Nova and Evo, and would make for a better #3 starter if they do end up qualifying for the playoffs. As much as I like Sanchez, I would rather see him traded than Severino/Judge/Mateo/Jags/Bird. Mitchell is expandable like Greene was.

        • Vern Sneaker

          Agree about CC and if were going to the bullpen after the trade I’d be for it though I think the price of Sanchez and MItchell + is a bit too high.

          • Frittoman626

            The offer I suggested was more of an idea. Samardzija could probably be had for less.

      • Sir Didi Nakamura

        Nova is a free agent after next season remember. I’d give up Nova in a deal to get Cueto for sure, but they wouldn’t really need/want Nova unless they get extended him.

    • Chip

      Do you consider Shark (4.02 ERA in 125 IP with 102 K, 130 H, 23 BB) that much of an upgrade from Eovaldi that you would be willing to sacrifice that much in terms of prospects?

      That’s the issue here – how much of an upgrade you’re getting from Eovaldi or Nova because CC’s not leaving the rotation.

      • blake

        He wouldn’t be an upgrade over Eovaldi….he’d be in the rotation with Eovaldi and would be an upgrade over CC or Nova …..and additionally….yea he’s better than Eovaldi

        • Chip

          I don’t believe Girardi and Cashman will bounce CC from the rotation.

          • Sir Didi Nakamura

            I think this is a Hal decision. Cashman is there to build the best team, I don’t think he’d let CC’s feelings or a contract he doesn’t pay get in the way. Girardi probably wouldn’t either, I bet he wanted to shift Jeter down in the order. 100% has to be Hal refusing to give up on $25m.

            • Chip

              I think money is a huge part of it, but I also think clubhouse harmony is part of it too. CC is a very well respected member of the clubhouse and bouncing him to long relief could be very dicey.

              Much like moving Jorge to DH and down in the lineup was.

              Dealing with declining superstars on long-term contracts is probably the hardest thing for a manager.

              • Sir Didi Nakamura

                You’d hope CC would act like his professional self and not make it a huge deal. I don’t think anybody in that clubhouse would think ill of them to send him to the bullpen unless they were dicks about it. Everyone on the team knows that he’s been shit, they won’t tell him that, but they know. They won’t disagree from a baseball standpoint.

                • Chip

                  Depends…I think there are a few guys on the roster who would look at that as a “there but for the grace of God go I” situation and it might impact how FAs view the Yankees…potentially.

                  Either way, I don’t think Hal would ok the move of CC to the pen.

                  • Sir Didi Nakamura

                    Only the entitled FA’s. Who can blame a franchise for sending a garbage starter to the bullpen? They should know their pricetag doesn’t exempt them from sucking and being off the hook.

        • Sir Didi Nakamura

          I think him and many others (I kinda feel the same way) think that CC just won’t be dropped no matter what. So he’s thinking Nova/Eovaldi will be replaced rather than CC.

    • blake

      I think of the rentals he’s probably the one that makes the most sense because 1) he is an actual upgrade over what they have 2) he “could” cost less than Cueto….

      If he could be had for a package that doesn’t include Judge or Severino or a real key piece off the big league club then I’m in……whether or not that’ll be the case we will have to wait and see.

      Hamels makes the most sense because he’s not a rental…..but if a rental is what they want I think Shark might have the best price/value ratio…..

  • Tom

    6 years ago tomorrow, the Yankees started the second half of the season against Detroit and won 8 straight and took over first place in the division. This year’s team is 3 games behind that team.

  • Asher Dratel

    I’m hoping Lindgren comes back and brings his MiLB numbers to the show this time around.

  • Sir Didi Nakamura

    Shreve has been awesome

    • Tom

      When hitters are chasen the splitter.

    • blake

      He frees them up to trade Lindgren for Carlos Correa

      • Sir Didi Nakamura

        No thanks, Lindgren’s a lockdown reliever.

        • blake

          What if Houston included Altuve?

          • Sir Didi Nakamura

            If you were GM the Yankees would be 60-102.

            • blake

              We’d have a good middle infield though!!…..but oh yea that doesn’t matter

          • Robinson Tilapia

            I still haven’t heard a Vintage Nolan Ryan yet.

  • Monterocouldstillbedinero

    JD Martinez from the fading Tigers who have plenty of righty power but no pitching…should we trade Judge and a pitcher or two for him? He’s got 25 HR’s and hit 3 in one game at YS this year.

    • Sir Didi Nakamura

      I doubt the Tigers do that, still in win now mode even if they are doing bad.

      • Monterocouldstillbedinero

        Ok. 3 naysayers but he would be great for us. So the Tigers won’t do it but you guys would?

        • Robinson Tilapia

          Lean “no.”

        • blake

          Don’t tell judge but yes ….dude has had a 150 ops+ for 1.5 seasons now and is 27 years old .

          • Preston

            What Martinez is right now is pretty darn close to Judge’s ceiling. 2.5 years of that for a prospect that probably will never be that sounds pretty good to me.

            • blake

              Yup….pretty much.

    • blake

      They aren’t trading him ….the Tigers aren’t gonna rebuild ….they’ll retool for 2016 if they sell

      • Monterocouldstillbedinero

        They are only 2 games out of last place and their pitching is pretty poor. Miggy (when healthy), Cespedes, Victor Martinez, Kinsler (when good) is alot of righty power.

        Guess we’re locked in to Bels and da Judge.

        • Sir Didi Nakamura

          Martinez is a game changing bat, they should trade Cespedes first if anything.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      He’s probably part of the answer for them, not the question.

  • Robinson Tilapia

    Honestly, folks, if we can fantasy book trades, we can fantasy book a CC removal from the rotation. I don’t think every silly trade proposal needs to be followed up with “BUTITWILLNEVERHAPPENBECAUSECCWHYAREYOUBOTHERING.” :)

    • Axis of Mike

      Listen to the fish man! He speaks truthiness!

    • Chip

      Hey, I fantasy trade more than almost anyone. But in looking at this roster realistically I don’t see how they can make a trade given their roster structure.

      The only two starters on the market who are clear upgrades to their rotation if they are set on keeping CC in it are Cueto and Hamels, neither of which are realistic for the Yankees.

      Beyond that, the only position that they can upgrade is 2b. The only good 2b on the market is Zobrist and he’s not actually a good 2b.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        I just think it’s completely fine to fantasy remove CC from the rotation if you’re fantasy trading.

        • Chip

          In that case you can also fantasy trade for Justin Upton and put Beltran on the bench…

        • Chip

          and hey, I was completely wrong about the Yankees never playing Refsnyder so maybe I’m wrong about CC too…

      • Axis of Mike

        I vote pitching over 2B fixes. However, maybe they’re already planning to move CC to the pen and get another bat. Who knows, the rumor mill’s been strangely quiet.

        • Chip

          I think the rumor mill is quiet because there’s not much Cash can do and so he’s checking in on guys like Cueto, but just to keep other teams (Toronto) honest.

    • Sir Didi Nakamura

      You have to admit it might be true

    • W.B. Mason Williams

      George isn’t dead, he’s just waiting to get the Ring of Power back so he can smite CC from the rotation and return the Yankees to glory.

      Er…I mean Mordor.

      • blake

        The circle of trust is a replica of the one ring

    • ChuckIt

      Guaranteed he won’t make the post season rotation.

  • grandedan

    The Yanks will bounce CC to the bullpen but they need a good enough reason. Warren, in their view, was not. The Yanks convinced themselves that Warren had some innings limit and they also needed some right-handed help in the back of the bullpen so that’s why that went down. Whoever of the three (CC, Eovaldi, Nova) gets bounced to the bullpen upon a trade will depend on how they perform here on in. If CC comes up with a couple of good starts, hell they’ll start calling him an Ace again. The Yanks can practically convince themselves of anything. Look how long they’ve stuck with Drew calling him “unlucky.”

    • Gregory Eckes

      I’m looking at Warren’s starts. His average game score for those starts was a 52. My guess is if Warren was pitching to a 2.50 ERA, he wouldn’t have been bumped. We saw the same thing with Refs and Drew. Have to force the issue.

      • grandedan

        Absolutely. When the Yanks make up their mind on a veteran presence, it’s super hard to change it. It can happen, but the evidence has to be beyond a reasonable doubt.

  • TCF16

    Wait, what? The Yankees got a dime a dozen lefty reliever for an MVP type starting catcher and they should be happy?!?! They fucked up by undervaluing Cervelli for years. They shouldn’t be applauded for that.

    • Gregory Eckes

      I pray for sarcasm here

      • Chip

        I pray for a therapy appointment here…

      • Robinson Tilapia

        Uh, you two know each other quite well, my friend.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      No, Darren. That’s not it.

      The Yankees traded a BUC, who was going to remain a BUC, for a strong middle reliever. That BUC has done well in his first year in an expanded role, while that middle reliever has done well as a left-handed high-leverage option.

      If everyone stayed where they were to begin with, Wilson would probably still be a good reliever in Pittsburgh, and Cervelli would be getting as many at-bats as SKJRM.

      Everyone wins here.

      • Chip

        why do you feed the animals?

        • Robinson Tilapia

          He’s an old-timer. So he’s a bit thick in the head sometimes. It happens.

        • Sir Didi Nakamura

          And just let them die? Don’t be a savage, Chip.

          • Chip

            maybe relocate them to the woods…that’s what we did when we caught pests on our property.

            • Sir Didi Nakamura

              What kind of savage doesn’t squash bugs when they come into their house?

      • grandedan

        That was always the problem with trading Cervelli. The optics would always be bad. Early last season I pointed out that any team that would trade for Cervelli, would start him. But even so, that team would only pay a BUC price. Teams will almost never value your players in a trade more than you do. If you treat the player as a backup, even if the team acquiring him thinks he’s a starter, they will not pay more that the value that you assign.

        Cashman had to trade Cervelli for a number of reasons. I thought he got good value at the time and still do. But folks are going to bring up this trade for years saying how Cash got taken to the cleaners.

        That’s just the way it be.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          Yes, but I think the mistake made here is that people watch his production, and think that’s what he’d do here. He wouldn’t be doing this here. He’d be backing up McCann.

          Cervelli is more valuable to them than he’d be to us right now, and it’s probably that Wilson is more valuable to us than he’d be to them.

          I agree, though. If Cervelli continues to do this, it’ll continue to be brought up.

          • grandedan

            You are exactly correct. Cervelli is simply worth more to another team than he was to the Yanks. Perhaps one could argue that the Yanks should have seen Cervelli’s value years ago and not signed McCann but that’s real 20-20 hindsight. Cervelli put up good numbers for the Yanks but he could never stay healthy.

            You think it’s bad now, what if the Pirates win the World Series with Cervelli as their starting catcher? And you know they can, especially with their rotation.

            • Some Asshole

              The Yankees couldn’t properly gauge whether Cervelli could be the starting catcher for them, in my opinion. He had his opportunity in 2013, then promptly got injured. These things happen. Good for Cervelli in doing well so far in Pittsburgh. We still don’t know if this will continue.

              • yanksgoyanks

                He’s hit well since coming up, if healthy I think it will. No question about his framing and defense.

                • grandedan

                  I think a fair assessment of Cervelli is that he’s a better than average defensive catcher and an average major league hitter who’s strength is getting on base as opposed to power. Taken together, that’s an excellent profile for a cheap young starting catcher.

                  But the issue will always be, can he stay healthy? Those concussions are pretty scary.

                  • Robinson Tilapia

                    Yup, and he’s arb-eligible, and there’s only so long you remain a BUC before the org either shits or gets off the pot with you. That’s what they did.

                    I’m a fan. I hope he does well. I hope we do well. Das it.

                    • yanksgoyanks

                      You go with the best you have, Cervelli is better than Murphy. He would’ve def had a role here as the BUC, a BUC is important. If you want a LOOGY so bad there’s plenty more out there to replace.

                    • RetroRob

                      Incorrect. Wilson is not LOOGY for one.

                • Some Asshole

                  In just this partial season with Pittsburg, Cervelli has had 25.2% of ALL of his major league plate appearances, versus the remainder coming in seven years with the Yankees. He didn’t get to play consistently for myriad reasons and he was destined for the back-up role with McCann signed. End of story.

              • RetroRob

                He’s exceeding what was expected with the bat. Time will tell if that will continue, but I figured he’d be a solid .260/.330/.390 catcher if he started regularly and could stay healthy.

                The Yankees got quite good value out of Cervelli as a backup catcher. They signed him, they developed him, they are the ones who made him a good pitch framer. This was a guy who was a .259/.354/.349 over eight seasons in the minors. Once they had another backup in JRM, they turned Cervelli into a very useful arm in the pen. They weren’t going to get anything more for him, and they had no open slot at the everyday catcher. Cervelli was a .280/.351/.384 hitter as a backup catcher over parts of six seasons, for a 98 OPS+. More than solid numbers for a backup and that’s why they were able to get someone of Wilson’s caliber. They’re better off with Wilson in the pen, then Cervelli as the backup catcher.

                Cervelli did catch regularly for the Yankees in 2010. Most fans hated him. His hitting was ok, although powerless, but the biggest issue was his catching took a step back that year. Then, as you noted, when he was going to have his chance to catch regularly in 2013 he got injured. The Yankees got value from him as a player over a number of years, and they eventually turned him into a valuable piece in the bullpen. Onward. Unless, that is, it’s a fan who loses sleep when a former Yankee does anything positive after he leaves. Sadly, many fans are that way.

      • ChuckIt

        Ditto. + he also had some PED baggage. And I don’t think Girardi particularly liked him.

    • RetroRob

      So much fail in your note.

  • yanksgoyanks

    Continuing from the Cervelli/Wilson talk, I don’t see how this deal is even on both sides. I think at the moment Pittsburgh has won, Cervelli is having a great season in an every day role, Wilson is just a loogy. Remember, “AT THE MOMENT” not overall, it’s a bit early to judge that. If Cervelli is still doing this next year at this time? then we got fleeced imo.

    • BigDavey88

      This article is about how Wilson isn’t just a loogy.

      Considering Cerveli didn’t have a roll with this team moving forward I’d say it is a even trade.

  • dave_8

    “Shreve was on the verge of getting pushed out of baseball last year”

    I think that’s a bit of an overstatement for a 22 yr old in AA. Far worse performers linger in baseball for a lot longer. Hell, Greene should’ve quit in 2012 if that’s the criteria. Also, it just might be that Girardi/Cash and co liked him from the start rather than some last guy they’ll take north for kicks. (Torre might’ve taken the occasional ex-Brave mascot as a 25th man for a week, but I don’t think Girardi thinks that way) I don’t think Girardi chooses a guy for the “no role” role in the pen. They take the guys that make for the strongest pen at the time.

    And I never heard any Lindgren vs Shreve stuff except here. Shreve pitched well for the Braves the prior season. Maybe he was just getting ready rather than competing with Lindgren. And Shreve has pitched as well from his Braves stint to now as anyone could’ve hoped from Lindgren. The focus went to the prospect in AA over the guy who actually broke in and succeeded the yr before. And, amazingly, it continued even as Shreve pitched well here. What more could your imagination expect of Lindgren in this pen this season over what Shreve has done? Finally he gets the applause that most here had already reserved for Lindgren (before he threw a pitch above AA).