2015 Midseason Review: The New-Look Bullpen With An Even Newer-Look

2015 Midseason Review: The Non-LOOGYs
Aaron Judge ranks 13th on Keith Law's midseason top 50 prospects list

The Yankees put a lot of time and effort (and resources) into improving their bullpen this past offseason, and, of course, halfway through the season three-sevenths of the relief crew has changed. The bullpen to start the season is never ever the one that finishes the season. Changes are inevitable and the Yankees went through several in the first half of the 2015 campaign.

Miller. (Presswire)
Miller. (Presswire)

The Not Co-Closers

Even before Spring Training started, Joe Girardi floated the idea of using Andrew Miller and Dellin Betances as co-closers. Miller would face the tough lefties regardless of whether they batted in the eighth or ninth while Betances got the tough righties in those innings. It was a wonderful plan that made perfect sense … until Dellin showed up to Tampa unable to throw strikes. That threw a big wrench into the works.

Betances walked six batters in 9.1 innings during Grapefruit League play and looked worse than that. He couldn’t locate his fastball to save his life and his breaking ball was flat. Given his history of being, well, let’s say enigmatic in the minors, there was definitely a reason to be concerned. The Yankees were built to win close games on the back of a dominant bullpen, with Betances being the centerpiece. Suddenly that centerpiece didn’t look so reliable.

Thankfully, Dellin was able to right the ship a few appearances into the regular season, and while he hasn’t been as overwhelming as last year, he has still been one of the three or four best relievers in the game. Heck, if you’re a disciple of fWAR, he has been the best reliever in baseball by almost half-a-win. Betances earned himself another trip to the All-Star Game and even picked up a few saves when Miller hit the DL with a forearm problem.

Miller, meanwhile, has stepped into the closer’s role smoothly and been overpowering, racking up strikeouts and getting grounders. He’s a lefty, yeah, but that doesn’t matter. Righties are hitting .082/.212/.165 (.189 wOBA) against him. The four-week DL stint stunk, but Miller returned last week and looks fine aside from some obvious rust. Maybe more than one minor league rehab outing would have been a good idea.

Betances and Miller have anchored the bullpen — they are turning those late-inning leads into wins as planned, the Yankees have a .949 winning percentage when leading after seven innings compared to the .883 league average — and their numbers are straight out of a video game. I know strikeouts are up and pitching dominates today’s MLB, but geez, look at this:

IP ERA FIP K% BB% GB% HR/9
Betances 47.0 1.53 1.69 42.5% 10.5% 48.2% 0.38
Miller 29.1 1.53 2.29 39.5% 9.2% 54.4% 0.61
Combined 76.1 1.53 1.69 41.3% 10.0% 50.7% 0.47

They’ve allowed 30 hits combined in 76.1 innings. They have a combined .194 BABIP, which is extraordinarily low, though Betances and Miller have two of the 20 best soft contact rates in baseball, and soft contact leads to lower than usual BABIPs. Maybe it won’t be that low all season, but their true talent BABIP is likely sub-.250.

Even with their higher than you’d like walk rates, Betances and Miller are putting just 0.79 runners on base per inning combined. When hitters have been lucky enough to put the ball in play against these guys, it has usually been on the ground, and the odds of it falling in for a hit are low. Aside from Dellin’s little hiccup at the start of the season, these two have been exactly what the Yankees hoped they would be this year. They’re dominating in the late innings and are critical pieces of the team’s success.

The Flop

As the Yankees overhauled their bullpen this offseason, the only notable right-hander they brought in was David Carpenter. He was supposed to be the third wheel behind Betances and Miller, handling seventh inning duties and filling in in the eighth or ninth when necessary. Carpenter had a lot of success with the Braves from 2013-14 (2.63 ERA and 2.88 FIP) and he fit the Yankees’ mold as a hard-throwing strikeout guy. It just didn’t work is planned.

More like Crapenter amirite? (Presswire)
More like Crapenter amirite? (Presswire)

The first real sign that hey, Carpenter might not work out came in Baltimore in the ninth game of the season. He started the sixth inning with a one-run lead, immediately gave up the game-tying home run, then put two more runners on base before being yanked in the eventual loss. A few weeks later Joe Girardi asked Carpenter to protect a six-run lead with three outs to go against the Blue Jays, and the inning went homer, ground ball, fly ball, walk, ground-rule double, single before Miller had to come in.

Carpenter allowed eight runs on ten hits and three walks in a span of 6.2 innings in mid-May, which pushed him into “last guy out of the bullpen” territory. Girardi gave Carpenter plenty of opportunities to right the ship — he appeared in eleven of 22 games (4.32 ERA and a .353/.410/.618 batting line against) before being designated for assignment on June 3rd. He was later traded to the Nationals for an iffy Double-A prospect.

The end result was a 4.82 ERA (5.27 FIP) in 18.2 innings with strikeout (13.4%) and walk (8.5%) rates that were way too close together. Carpenter has a lower ERA with the Nationals (1.50) but he still isn’t missing bats (16.0%), which is the real problem. This is a guy who struck out 27.4% of batters faced during his two years in Atlanta. Relievers, man. They go poof without warning all the time.

The Guy Who Doesn’t Belong Here

Carpenter’s ineffectiveness created a need for a second right-handed reliever behind Betances. Eventually, after a parade of call-ups, the Yankees settled on the guy who held that job so effectively last season: Adam Warren. Warren had been very good as a starter during the first few weeks of the season (3.59 ERA and 4.12 FIP), but Ivan Nova had come back from Tommy John surgery and CC Sabathia wasn’t going to lose his rotation spot, so back to the bullpen he went. Life ain’t fair.

Warren has thrown six innings in six relief appearances since moving to the bullpen, including 2.2 innings in his very first appearance. Girardi has used Warren like he used him last year, as a handyman capable of pitching in tight games and entering mid-inning. Warren had a little bump in the road last weekend in Boston (0.1 IP, 4 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 1 BB, 0 K) but it happens. Even good relievers have bad days. Now that his time as a starter has come to an end (at least this year, most likely), Warren has joined non-LOOGYs Chasen Shreve and Justin Wilson to form the bridge to Dellin and Miller.

The Long Mans

Every bullpen needs a long man, and for most of this season that long man was Esmil Rogers. And gosh, was he not good (6.27 ERA and 4.62 FIP). Rogers deserves major props for gutting through 4.2 innings in the 19-inning game against the Red Sox — he threw 81 pitches that night after throwing 35 the night before, dude bit the bullet — but he allowed 24 runs (!) and 41 base-runners (!!!) in his last 16.2 innings with the team. Egads. Rogers was dropped from both the 25-man and 40-man rosters in mid-June and is currently in Triple-A.

Chris Capuano has since taken over as the long man after coming to camp as the fifth starter. He hurt his quad, missed two months, allowed eleven runs and 22 base-runners in 12.2 innings in his first three starts back, then was moved to the bullpen. Warren basically Wally Pipp’d him. Capuano hasn’t pitched a whole lot since taking over as the long man — that’s a good thing, really — throwing just 15.2 innings across ten appearances in the team’s last 38 games. He has a 3.45 ERA (3.59 FIP) since moving to the bullpen. If you’re expected the long man to be better than that, I suggest recalibrating expectations.

Mitchell. (Presswire)
Mitchell. (Presswire)

The Revolving Door

A total of 27 different pitchers have appeared in at least one game for the Yankees already this season. 27! It was 33 all of last year and 24 all of 2013. The Yankees used 27+ pitchers once from 2009-13 (28 in 2011) and they’ve already used 27 at the All-Star break this season. And the craziest thing is that most of the team’s core pitchers have stayed healthy, with Miller’s forearm and Masahiro Tanaka‘s wrist/forearm the only exceptions.

There is no way I’m going to recap 20-something pitchers here, especially since several only threw a handful of innings (if that). So instead let’s hit on the most notable arms to come through that revolving door, listed alphabetically:

  • Jacob Lindgren: Lindgren, the team’s top draft pick last summer, was called up in late-May and posted a 5.14 ERA (8.08 FIP) in seven innings. It turned out Lindgren had been pitching with a bone spur in his elbow, so he had surgery in late-June and will miss most of the rest of the season. Disappointing!
  • Chris Martin: Martin was not only on the Opening Day roster, but Girardi showed a lot of faith in his early on as well. He even picked up a save when Betances and Miller were unavailable one night. Martin’s elbow started barking in early-May, which landed him on the DL. He hasn’t been the same since. Martin has a 5.63 ERA (2.76 FIP) in 16 innings and is currently in Triple-A.
  • Bryan Mitchell: Mitchell has been up and down a few times but has finally seemed to stick in a short relief role. He has a 2.89 ERA (2.11 FIP) with nine strikeouts in 9.1 innings. PitchFX says he’s averaging 96.6 mph with his fastball and 92.6 mph with his cutter. That’ll do. Mitchell seems to be carving out a role as a middle innings flamethrower but could wind up in Triple-A if the club acquires an arm.
  • Chase Whitley: Poor Ace Whitley. The Yankees sent him to Triple-A this year so he could be available as their spot sixth starter, then he got the call when Tanaka landed on the DL. In his fourth start with the team, Whitely blew out his elbow and needed Tommy John surgery. For shame. He had a 4.19 ERA (4.53 FIP) in 19.1 innings before getting hurt.

The Yankees cycled through almost their entire Triple-A bullpen at one point as they looked for someone to emerge as a reliable righty reliever. Well, not really. A lot of those guys were called up simply because the team needed a fresh arm at some point. The Yankees opted to keep Lindgren over Carpenter, and now it looks like Mitchell will be given an opportunity to stick around in the second half. Rogers, Carpenter, and Martin were all on the Opening Day roster and have since been replaced by Capuano, Mitchell, and Warren. So it goes.

2015 Midseason Review: The Non-LOOGYs
Aaron Judge ranks 13th on Keith Law's midseason top 50 prospects list
  • TheEvilUmpire

    Poor David Carpenter! Not only has he gone down in infamy in Yankees lore for both sucking and being the principle return for one of our most beloved pitching prospects, Mike has added insult to injury by picking a picture that makes him look like somebody’s dad with a beer gut!

    • Robinson Tilapia

      You need to adjust your abdominal expectations, son.

      • Monterocouldstillbedinero

        McCan-a-corn!

        Not every player can wear a chest protector to cover their belly.

      • TheEvilUmpire

        I’m sure he would have appreciated a little air brushing, dude probably cries himself to sleep reading RAB. BTW, I think you’re only like 3 years older than me, dad!

  • Y’s Guy

    Send either Warren or Mitchell down and stretch them out. We will need another starter and while we might want to try out Severino for a start, you can’t count on either him or Capuano to fill in more than an emergency spot-start.
    It wont break them.

    • https://youtu.be/alYXF7a9N3U Memory Bread

      In all honesty Mitchell should’ve been sent down after the Redsox game in preparation and slotted on the same days as Tanaka’s or Pineda’s starts while In Scranton

  • grandedan

    The Yanks’ bullpen ERA I think is about fifth or sixth in the league now (actually behind Baltimore) but I think that will improve. It takes awhile for this team to sort out all the actors and roles but once they do, the Yanks and Girardi usually come up with a hit show.

    The key for Girardi is to try to win the East without over-using Betances and Miller. The second tier, Shreve, Warren and Wilson need to produce. And the understudies like Mitchell need to be able to step up too when needed. Goody looks like the next in line below.

    This is not a problem.

    • Monterocouldstillbedinero

      I’ve seen Goody and his stuff is excellent. Great to have all the bullpen depth.

      I do have some concerns about Girardi overusing Miller more than Dellin who has not had arm problems. It would be nice for Joe to not get Miller up when we are winning by 4 or more runs and someone gets on in the 9th.

  • ScottinSJ

    O/T: 74 years ago today, Joe D extended his hitting streak to 56 games. Good luck on eclipsing that mark.

    • https://youtu.be/alYXF7a9N3U Memory Bread

      Great moments in Yankees history Is always on topic.

  • Robinson Tilapia

    I very much liked what I’ve seen out of Prendan Binder and Nick Rumbelow in their cameo appearances. A lot of pieces. Thank God we’ve gotten most of them to fit.

    • https://www.flickr.com/photos/roadgeek/ Roadgeek Adam

      Now if we could only get them permanent uniform numbers.

      • Monterocouldstillbedinero

        This. How can we retire #64 in 20 years?

        Enough with the linemen #’s!

    • Monterocouldstillbedinero

      Wait till you see what other Goodies we have.

  • yanksgoyanks

    Only problem here was trading Manny for that bum Carpenter. Shreve is literally the only reason that trade has been above water for the Yankees, gave up on him to early imo.

  • ZachA

    Not disagreeing with the idea that Dellin was better last year, but:

    HR/9: 0.40 (2014) to 0.38 (2015)
    K/9: 13.5 (2014) to 14.74 (2015)
    GB%: 46.6% (2014) to 48.2% (2015)
    FB%: 33.3% (2014) to 31.3% (2015)
    Soft Contact%: 27% (2014) to 37.3% (2015)
    Swinging Strike%: 13% (2014) to 14.8% (2015)
    IP: 71 (2014) to on-pace 75.6 IP (2015)
    WAR: 3.1 (2014) to on-pace 3.5 (2015)

  • captainmike

    Carpenter is doing pretty well so far with the Nats

    lets hope that this trade doesn’t go down as a disaster for the yanks
    always looking for a great starter then we give one away who is making small $$$

    • grandedan

      Yea that trade has got a chance to be a double whammy. Hey this is a tough business. Like to see them try to make Shreve a starter over the winter.

      • Sir Didi Nakamura

        oh god

    • Some Asshole

      Six innings.

    • Macho Man “Randy Levine”

      Yea, it does always suck when that middle reliever is the difference between winning and losing a championship.

      Oh, right. That’s literally never happened.

  • Patrick

    Keith Law said in his chat today that the Yankees would have 5 prospects in the top 100 as or right now. Judge, Severino, Mateo, Kaprielian and Bird. And if Clarkin were healthy he would be in there too. Pretty nice recovery by the farm system after the last few years

    • Robinson Tilapia

      So we like Keith Law today, I take it?

      • Re2pect

        eh he prob has sevs at 100.

        • Macho Man “Randy Levine”

          No, he had Severino in his “honorable mentions” for his updated Top 50 today. So I guess he’d have him 51-60 or so.

          • Re2pect

            wow hes coming back to reality or getting over his personal issues

            • Patrick

              He still says Severino is a reliever long term (said 20% or less chance he sticks as a starter long term). But its hard to ignore the performance at that age ..

              • Re2pect

                thats like a oxymoron. Rank a guy top 100 but project a reliever. hmmmm how many relief prospects get ranked?

            • Macho Man “Randy Levine”

              Personal issues?

              The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

              • Re2pect

                yea prob going through some things which is hurting his judgment on sevs. Thinking maybe sevs slept w/ his old lady idk really

                • Robinson Tilapia
                  • Re2pect

                    looks like damon wayans in major payne

                • Macho Man “Randy Levine”

                  List of things you don’t know:

                  1) How to recognize when someone insults you.
                  2) How to effectively make fun of someone else
                  3) That it’s OK for people to have different opinions from you, especially when it’s in a field of personal expertise.
                  4) How Luis Severino will perform in the Major Leagues
                  5) The difference between your ass and a hole in the ground.

                  • Re2pect

                    i dont do insults really, i leave the douchebagginess somewhere else. i dont come here to insult commenters
                    its not my opinion, its how his opinion has differed from all other prospect lists greatly. all other preseason lists had sevs top100 but law. People in the same field of expertise, not I
                    Nor did i ever project severinos performance once.
                    macho man Randy “bundle of sticks”(rhymes with savage to!)

                  • Re2pect

                    thank you though bud, gave ya a nice lil up vote for the bang up job on the post. Kudos!

      • Macho Man “Randy Levine”

        Well, he did also say that he doesn’t think Refs is a long-term answer at 2B.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          Reply fail.

          • Robinson Tilapia

            So…

            • Macho Man “Randy Levine”

              I’ll bet KLaw would find that funny.

        • RetroRob

          …and he might be right on that. He’s not saying Refsnyder won’t be a MLB 2B’man, but that he is not a starter for a team expecting to contend every year. Could be a starter for a second division club. I think there’s a chance he is wrong, but no sense outlining the reasons why. His take is valid, although I believe Refsnyder has a better chance to be a Gardner type and eclipse expectations. The one advantage Gardner has, which Refsnyder doesn’t, is an elite tool.

      • RetroRob

        They like him when he rates Greg Bird in his top 100 when other don’t, they hate him when he doesn’t rate Luis Severino in his top 100 when others do.

        His references to Severino in today’s chat so people can get their hate on. I think he’s great. I’ve even been on the receiving end of his snark and never bothered me. He knows what he’s talking about, and not always right. No one is in baseball. Those who hate him just have no interest in learning.

        Jason (GA)
        Are you to hard headed to think that Severino could succeed as a starter? Yours is the only top 50 list that he won’t appear on.

        Klaw (1:13 PM)
        My head is reasonably hard, but more importantly, I could not possibly care less about where players are on other lists. This is my list. If you don’t like my list, keeping reading lists until you find one you like

        Brandon (CT)
        What % do you put on Severino staying a starter throughout his career?

        Klaw (1:31 PM)
        20% or less.

        Daniel (New York)
        I know you’ve been consistent in your view that Severino is destined to be a reliever because he doesn’t use his lower half, but why don’t other scouts seem as concerned about that? Other outlets have consistently rated him as a better prospect than you have, but they must see it too. Are there any starting pitchers who have been successful without using their lower half much?

        Klaw (1:31 PM)
        Other scouts are absolutely concerned about that. You’re not hearing from “other scouts,” though.

        Dale (KY)
        Why don’t Yankees coaches simply teach Severino to use his lower half? Would seem an easy change.

        Klaw (1:36 PM)
        It’s not easy at all. You’re talking about reworking an entire delivery. FWIW, Reynaldo Lopez pitches the same way. I don’t know of any MLB starter who does so.

        • Sir Didi Nakamura

          If he turns out to be wrong about this (Hopefully!) Dumb Yankees fans will shit on him for as long as he does well.

    • grandedan

      Now that’s a surprise. Especially with Kaprielian and Clarkin. Kap hasn’t even thrown a pitch yet. I thought Clarkin was ok before he got hurt but not Top 100.

      Mateo is a beast. I’d have him as the Yanks No. 2 prospect now behind Severino. Judge still has to show he can hit in AAA like Refs did last year at the same age.

      • Patrick

        True Kap hasn’t thrown a big league pitch but he’s pretty close to major league ready. Definitely deserves a spot in the top 100 (Law had him around 75)

      • Patrick

        Nah Judge is by far the Yankees’ #1 prospect. Judge, Severino, Mateo, Bird, Kaprielian in that order IMO

        • Tom

          I don’t think the gap between Judge and Severino is that big.

        • RetroRob

          I’d put Mateo last. That doesn’t mean I don’t like him, but he’s too far in the lower minors. His skillset and position may allow him to play out to a much higher level, but I need to see his results against higher competition. So his ceiling is higher, but for now I’d rate him last based on where he is. I’ll even give the nod to Kap over him since he’s pitched against higher competition in college. My hope is they all make it.

      • ScottinSJ

        Are you Bigdan, or just a man paying homage? I’ve been worried about the missing self-promoter. Some say he joined J. Peterman in a cave in Burma.

        • grandedan

          My buddy used to attend acting classes with Peterman. He’s actually a great guy.

      • Still Stucky

        He’s played19 games (71 ABs) at AAA and is OPSing .703.

        This is why Yankees fans can’t have nice things.

        • grandedan

          Did I say Judge wasn’t a good prospect? I just like Mateo and Severino better right now.

      • Re2pect

        thought the same thing. shocked to see clarkin

        • Robinson Tilapia

          I think that, with an extra year’s development at about the same pace he’d been on, yeah, Clarkin could have snuck onto some top 100’s. Sure.

          • Re2pect

            agreed, just hasnt been out there to show it. must be bullish on the projectables and what he saw last year

          • grandedan

            My problem with Clarkin is he doesn’t throw particularly hard (low 90s) and apparently has yet to develop a dominant secondary pitch. His calling card now is he’s advanced for his age and can throw three pitches for strikes.

            To be an above average starter you really need one dominant pitch. And if you don’t have that, your command must be exceptional. Now with TJS looming, I’m not very high on Clarkin.

      • https://youtu.be/alYXF7a9N3U Memory Bread

        Jorge is hitting the ball alot better as this season has progressed.

        It makes you wonder how far along he’d be in his development if he didn’t miss virtually the whole season in rookie ball of 2014

        • grandedan

          It’s hard business to evaluate and predict prospects especially way down in the low minors. Especially hitting. But with Mateo, there are two things you can get a handle on–scouts say he currently has the tools to be a major league SS and his speed is elite. So right there, he’s more than halfway to the major leagues. As a SS, he’ll never be expected to hit much.

          Judge is a different animal. If he doesn’t hit major league pitching, he’s pretty much worthless. And given his past performance, and problems with the slider, his ability to hit major league pitching is in doubt. That’s why I like Mateo better right now.

          I believe Bird can be an effective major league hitter but I have no idea how effective he’ll be. And at 1b, he better be damn effective or he’s almost worthless.

          Three prospects, three very different risk profiles.

          • Tom

            Prospects always carry risk.

      • vwnut13

        The new thing in baseball is that top draft picks immediately get ranked high.

      • RetroRob

        He actually didn’t mention Severino as making his top 100, although he also didn’t say he wouldn’t, but it’s clear from his comments elsewhere in the chat his opinion hasn’t changed. He still has the same issue with him, which is fair. He’s not saying he doesn’t have a great arm. He believes he’ll be a reliever based on his mechanics. We all hope he’s wrong. The exact question (which also includes an RAB hat tip) is:

        Jake (PA)

        So it sounds like the Yankees have 4-5 top 100 prospects right now with Judge, Severino, Kap, Mateo and Bird. That’s a big jump for that system over the last 2 years no?

        Klaw

        (1:52 PM)

        And Clarkin would be a top 100 guy if he were healthy (still hasn’t pitched this year but I don’t think he ever went under the knife … River Ave Blues doesn’t say so either).

  • Y’s Guy

    God forbid Tanaka or Pineda have to go on the dl after their next start. We’d have to put Capuano in the rotation or depend on Severino coming up and being good for several starts. Meanwhile we have too many relievers including probably our next 2 best starters. I dont like this at all, fix this.

    • ScottinSJ

      Forgetting Adam Warren, are we?

      • Y’s Guy

        Adam Warren is in the pen and hasn’t pitched more than 1 2/3 innings since June.

    • Still Stucky

      As opposed to what?

      Having a legit #3 starter pitching 15 inning a month in the pen?

      • Y’s Guy

        as opposed to having either Mitchell or Warren starting in AAA.

        • Still Stucky

          Ah, fear-based roster management.

          So correct me if I’m wrong, but Mitchell has started 1 game in the Major Leagues and has pitched a total of 20.1 ML innings. This makes him a much more reliable starter than Severino how?

          • Y’s Guy

            Fear-based my ass thats being prepared. And no it doesnt make him a better choice it just makes him another viable choice.

            • Still Stucky

              Fear-based your ass.

              He’s pitching quality innings for the Yankees right now. And either or Warren could be stretched out to 6 innings by their 3rd start (4-5-6 then cap off).

              Taking needed quality righthanders out of the ML bullpen who ARE starters and can be stretched out by 3 starts, when you have a top 50 prospect IN AAA, seems skittish.

              • Y’s Guy

                great, well just toss Capuano out there for 3 starts, he’ll be fine, what’s 2 or 3 games in a 162 game schedule anyway. Someones probly gonna win the division by at least 5 right?

                • Still Stucky

                  Or Mitchell or Warren or Severino.

                  You’re making no sense.

                  • Y’s Guy

                    I’m making perfect sense when Im not joking. They are in a bad position right now if either Pineda or Tanaka have to go on the dl. There is redundency in the BP with both potetial #6 starters filling the same role. One of them should be down in AAA being ready to start if necessary. I’d certainly be willing to give Severino one start as a spot starter but I would not assume he can cover if they need someone for 4-5 starts. And I dont want to start Capuano at all if I dont have to.

                    • Still Stucky

                      Yankees starters haven’t been going deep. No arm is ‘redundant.’ They need quality arms for the 6th and 7th and need more for when Miller and Betances go back-to-back.

                      Again, you’re advocating Mitchell, he of 1 ML start and 20.1 ML innings pitched as being some sort of vastly better option than Severino, who IS the better prospect.

                      That makes NO sense.

                      Warren would be ready to go 5+ by his second start, which is about what the Yankee starters are averaging.

                      And btw, you don’t bring your top prospect up and judge him based on his first start. You bring him you you’re doing it for no less than 3-4 starts anyway.

                      People make bad decisions when panicked. Worse decision when preemptively panicking.

                    • Y’s Guy

                      No actually I’m advocating it be Warren, but either he or Mitchell need to be ready to start. And I disagree that they could expect Warren to be stretched out after one start as you suggest.
                      And I wouldnt be judging Severino on his one start but it would be foolhardy for the plan in the pennant race to be “lets bring the kid up in an emergency and assume he can start regularly”, that’s poor planning.
                      All of your suggestions are panic based mine are throught out in preparation for what’s most likely to happen. You’re pretty much saying ‘lets fall off that bridge when we get there, its probably not going to be that bad.’

                    • Still Stucky

                      Disagree or not, history tells us otherwise.

                      http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/gamelog/_/id/31124/year/2014/david-phelps

                      Phelps went from not having pitched more than 2 innings and in 12 days and not having started since July 4th of the previous year to 5.1 effective innings his first start (May 5)

                      And I’m “basically” saying have a good ML pitcher be useful to the ML team.

                      As Phelps demonstrated, you can go from pitching 2 innings in relief to 5 innings as a starter nearly instantly.

                      You’re manufactuting a problem that doesn’t exist.

            • Robinson Tilapia

              Your ass is being prepared? For what?

              • Macho Man “Randy Levine”

                Zombie apocalypse. Duh.

                • Robinson Tilapia

                  Beware the anal zombie apocalypse.

    • grandedan

      I actually think the Yanks understand this and that’s part of the reason they are going to acquire a quality starter in the next two weeks. It’s not just about an upgrade over CC. The Yanks feel they have a good shot at the playoffs this year and they don’t want that to disappear over an injury to Tanaka/Pineda.

    • Dalek Jeter

      *knock on wood* if they go on the DL before the end of August you send Warren down for a couple weeks to get stretched back out and have Capuano make a few spot starts. Also…this is the same for every team, that if their ace or 2 goes down they have to go to their 6th starter. It’s the way baseball’s worked forever.

      • Y’s Guy

        My point is that the best #6 starter option is 3 ’emergency’ starts away from starting and the substitute spot starter sucks. Capuano would only be making ’emerency starts’ because they created their own emergency by not having Warren or Mitchell ready.

  • Asher Dratel

    So what is the consensus on Lindgren’s struggles with HRs in the his brief call-up? Just the bone spur causing issues? Nerves? He gave up 0 homers in the minors, and he spent enough time in AAA that you’d think some kind of serious deficiency would have been uncovered.

    • Macho Man “Randy Levine”

      I think some combination of the injury and simply facing better hitters is the easiest explanation.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        Elbow spurs and “rookie.”

    • Still Stucky

      Random chance?

    • grandedan

      Not high on Lindgren either. Too much slider, too little fastball. Reminds me of when I first saw Montgomery.

      • Monterocouldstillbedinero

        Sparky Lyle says high.

        • grandedan

          Lyle had two pitches. Fastball and a slider. Just like Guidry who he tutored.
          When I watch Lindgren pitch, it looks like he has about four different sliders and no fastball.

          • Monterocouldstillbedinero

            I haven’t seen much of Lindgren but Lyle threw his slider most of the time just as Gossage threw his fb most of the time.

            Obviously Lindgren is nowhere in that class. I’ll reserve judgement.

    • Pkyankfan69

      We’ll have to see how his stuff looks when he comes back from the bone spur surgery. Maybe he lost a few MPH on his FB because he was dealing with that issue… He would look a lot better with mid 90’s heat which I thought he was supposed to have.

    • Dalek Jeter

      Gonna agree with Macho Man, the injury combined with being in a league where the worst hitters are some of the best he’s ever faced.

  • https://youtu.be/alYXF7a9N3U Memory Bread

    Too bad , probably the best arm in the Sally league this year.

    #RedSox RHP Michael Kopech receives 50-game suspension after testing positive for Oxilofrine, a stimulant per the minor league drug program.

  • Dalek Jeter

    No Pinder or Rumbelow mentions? for shame.

    • Mandy Stankiewicz

      José Ramirez!

      • cashmoney

        not that impressed by Ramirez. I am very impressed by MItchell in small sample. I remember someone wrote about Mitchell tend to have of stretches of command issues as he average about 4.5 bb/9 in AAA; But you can not duplicate that high octane heat (95.8), I think he has a chance to be a dominant reliever with 3 pitch combo of FB, Slider and Curve. comes down to Mitchell further refining his command imo.

        • Mandy Stankiewicz

          Oh no, he’s been pretty bad the last 2 years/2x’s he’s been called up. I was just adding his name to that AAA name list.

          • cashmoney

            got it.

    • cashmoney

      I like Rumbelow a lot. The first thing I noticed is Nick career kk/bb rate is excellent (ranging from 4/1 to 5/1). He gives up 1 hr per 9 and low WHIP rate (1.1 in AAA this season). he looks to have a compact delivery that comes straight over the top. His FB average about 93 with movements. I haven’t seen his secondary stuff enough to say either way, but Fangraph has his curveball at a negative value. my guess is he has some trouble putting away LH hitter. But that’s a guy at 23 has the marking of excellent reliever going forward.

  • Mandy Stankiewicz

    Maybe we could see some return of the wildcard/scrap-heap pickup of Bailey later this season? He has a SSS of 14 or so innings pitched in AA, but so far has an ERA of 2.50 and a WHIP of 1.00.

    • Dalek Jeter

      If he can stay healthy for more than 6 minutes, maybe.

      • Mandy Stankiewicz

        Ha–true. Pineda took 2 whole seasons to come back, last year may have been premature? Who knows, but he was nasty, would be sweet if he came up and made a difference.

  • Tony Wilson

    If Severino is brought up, it will be in a bullpen capacity?

    • Asher Dratel

      If it’s an expanded roster move, I say bullpen for sure.

    • Dalek Jeter

      I think so. Rosters expand, he’s near his innings limits, use those last 10-15 innings to A. get his feet wet int he big leagues and B. hopefully help the Yankees get into the playoffs.

      • Tom

        Reminds me of how the Rays used Price when he came up.

        • Dalek Jeter

          Exactly.

      • Tony Wilson

        Good point, would he be eligible for the postseason?

        • RetroRob

          If he’s up before September 1, yes, or there’s an injury and he could be used as a substitution. I suspect we won’t see that happen.

    • RetroRob

      If he is called up in late August it would be a bullpen move. If he’s called up earlier, then it would be as a spot starter, most likely to be sent down immediately. At least that’s my guess.

      I have no issues if Severino doesn’t throw a single pitch for the Yankees this year as to me the most important thing is his continued development and that he gets enough innings and starts in AAA so he’s a legit option as a MLB starter next year. That said, I’d be fine if he pitched the last month of the season out of the pen as he approaches his innings limit. It’s not an either/or situation. He can get his development in and also help the team some.

  • Tony Wilson

    I am extremely confident in a pen featuring Warren, Shreve, Mitchell, Wilson, Betances, and Miller. Capuano as the long man could be greatly improved but for a couple of innings I suppose he’s okay, I’m not getting ahead of myself but I think the Yanks are built for postseason play and if they can just get there I think they have as good a chance as any to make the World Series with their killer pen.

  • Y’s Guy

    We’re coming into the point of the season where a rainout often means a next-day DH. That’s where you need spot starters. Thats where I envision them using Severino for one start or two.
    In the case of a starter going on the DL, you need a regular starter, not a spot starter. In that case, Severino is not the preferred answer, imo, and Capuano is the ‘answer’ you don’t want to hear.