Here We Go Again: the Joba fist pump edition

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“If he wants to yell and scream after a strikeout, I guess that’s what gets him going. It’s May baseball. The home run was in a much bigger situation. I didn’t dance and scream. If a hitter did something like that, it would be bush. It’s kind of interesting how a pitcher gets away with it.”

That’s what Dave Dellucci whined about said to the media yesterday afternoon after the Indians lost to the Yankees. The “he” Dellucci is referring to is, of course, Joba Chamberlain. Once again, the media — and opposing players — are making mountains out of mole hills.

In the 8th inning yesterday, Joba came in with something to prove. You could see it on his face and in his body language. He was throwing the ball to get people outs, and that’s what he did. When Dave Dellucci came out with two outs in the inning, everyone just knew that Joba would try to strike him out, and strike him out he did. In Joba’s way, he got excited. He yelled; he pumped his first; and then he calmly walked back to the Yankee dugout.

Dellucci didn’t like Joba’s antics, and neither did Mike and the Mad Dog. But Joba defenders are spot on. Joe Girardi nailed the rebuttal in one regard. “That’s who he is, and he’s not showing anyone up,” the Yanks’ skipper said. “He’s not looking at Dellucci, he’s looking in our dugout. He’s going to show some emotion. There’s a lot of pitchers, when they get an out, they give a fist pump. To me, the important thing is … you’re not showing someone up, and he’s looking at our dugout.”

Peter Abraham took that defense even farther and railed into Mike and the Mad Dog. Joba’s a young and exciting player. He wears his emotion on his sleeve, and that’s a-ok. Mike and the Mad Dog — and Dave Dellucci — are promoting some ridiculous ideal. Players can be excited when they succeed if, yes, it’s only May and even if, yes, Dellucci’s home run had a bigger impact on the game (which is an obnoxious comment to make in its own right). And if anyone doesn’t think emotion comes into play, just ask Richie Sexson.

It’s clear where this is going. Every time Joba does the fist pump, he’ll be criticized, and when he gives up a lead and is visibly agitated, he’ll get criticized. He had it coming, Chris Russo and Mike Francesca will say in a never-ending quest for attention — and ratings. That’s just ridiculous, and the bluster over the first pump should — but won’t — end now.

Joba pumping his first comes to us courtesy of Yahoo! Sports and Getty Images.

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  • mooks

    Its 2008, not 1988.

    Look, years ago, this would have been a big deal. Back then, a pitcher doing what Joba does would result in a beanball.

    Back then, was several presidents ago.

    Times change, once Eck started doing the fist pump and retaliations went down (well, sort of, due to how MLB started handling things), it changed.

    If you asked me back in the 90’s what I thought of the fist pumps, I would have said “if you don’t like it, you got the ball, hit somebody”.

    That doesn’t happen today, i.e. this stuff no longer matter, to many folks are living in the past.

    Then again, also back in the day, they used to bean you for going around the bases to slow for a homerun, or even being the next guy up after back to back homeruns, that doesn’t happen anymore.

    If hitters can stand at the plate and stare at balls they think are gone and not worry about getting hit for it, then pitchers can do little fist pumps (especially if they know that the other team doesn’t care either way, and isn’t going to bean somebody for it).

  • brockdc

    Papelbon does it. Sabathia does it. Both Ortiz and Manny pose, and no one says “boo.” Yet somehow it’s a colossal outrage when Joba does it.

    • beantownbosoxh8er

      dont forget Beckett.
      this seems to be a “rookie” bias , is it that Joba hasn’t established himself yet?
      As for Manny and Ortiz ,someone NEEDS to put them on their ass after they stand and watch their homeruns. that IS showing up the other team.

      • tommiesmithjohncarlos

        It’s not a Rookie Bias. It’s a Yankee Bias.

        We get hypercritized.

        Papelbon
        Sabathia
        Ortiz
        Manny
        Beckett
        Fransisco Rodriguez
        A.J. Pierzynski
        Carlos Zambrano
        Elijah Dukes
        Felix Rodriguez
        Delmon Young

        … all these guys do MUCH, MUCH worse stuff than Joba on a daily basis, but they’re not Yankees, so they’re not “what’s wrong with baseball, and possibly the world”.

    • Jacob

      yeah papelbon looks like a moron when he does it. you ever see piazza pose?

  • Joey

    can we start a “Leave Joba the Hell Alone” campaign like you did with “Save the Big Three”? I just may buy a shirt for that one (and I’m a college kid with less than unlimited funds if you know what I mean :-) ). Give some snarky poke at Mike and the Mad Dog on the back or Delluci

    • Joey

      on the back of the shirts that is

  • http://www.myspace.com/j_panama Jamal G.

    David Dellucci needs to shut the fuck up, “If he wants to yell and scream after a strikeout, I guess that’s what gets him going. It’s May baseball…It’s kind of interesting how a pitcher gets away with it.”. Hey asshole, I’m sure I did not imagine C.C. Sabathia, Dellucci’s teammate, shouting AT Alex Rodriguez and Shelley Duncan in the SIXTH INNING of APRIL baseball after he struck them out.

    You asshole, shut the hell up.

  • Rich

    When I grew up, I want to be just like Dave Dellucci.

    Seriously, who cares? Do I wish that Joba (and other athletes) would tone it down a bit? Yes, but it’s no big deal either way.

  • zack

    I actually have no problem with what Dellucci said. He’s pretty much right. He hit a HR in a much bigger spot, to win the game, whereas Joba came into the 8th inning with a 3 run lead and with nobody on facing that same guy, did his thing.

    Rather than say basically the same thing, I’ll just copy what Alex Belth said over at BB, which I pretty much agree ith 100%
    “Just want to chime in with my two cents. I saw the Dellucci at bat. Joba completely man-handled him. It was, from a pitching standpoint, a thing of beauty, that was spoiled by Joba’s emotional outburst. I realize that it is part of the game today, and I accept that, but even given that it’s not my cup of tea, I think this was a selfish display. It was about JOBA, about him gaining some measure of revenge for the other night. This wasn’t situational, big game vs the Sox, striking out Manny with the tying runners on. This was a three run lead and all about Chamberlain. I don’t like it. Don’t like it at all. Again, I realize he uses his emotions, and that’s the kind of guy he is, but really, he could learn a thing or three from Mr. Rivera. “

    • JT

      I have not seen one person yet, who agrees with what Dellucci said explain the fact that his own teammate did something much worse just a couple weeks ago. Of course if Joba does it, its wrong. Not all players are the same, just because Rivera does not get excited doesnt mean we need to model every player like him. Emotion is apart of Joba’s game, just like it is with Jose Reyes…. A god knows what happened when the mets got on Reyes for showing his excitement in games.

      • beantownbosoxh8er

        wasn’t that Lastings Millage?

    • rbizzler

      Alex needs to get off of his high horse and relinquish the mantle of defender of the old guard (complete with hip-hop slang, no less). Joba is trying to establish himself in the game and that was a big inning for him. Dealing with early success is one thing, but careers are defined by how you bounce back from failure.

      Let the kid breathe a little instead of trying to stifle his personality and mold him into something you want to see. Sorry, to break the news to you and Mr. Belth, but people are not all wired the same and motivate themselves differently (ie the feeble comment about being more like Rivera).

      And using Dellucci’s hypocritical opinion as some sort of crutch to hold up a weak argument is laughable.

      • Jobu

        Alex Belth nailed it in my opinion.

        Also – we can’t call Dellucci’s comments hypocritical unless there is a public statement of him supporting C.C.’s actions.

        • rbizzler

          If Delucci is going to go to multiple media outlets and passive aggressively condemn what Joba did and not acknowledge that he has teammates (or at least one teammate) that engages in similar behavior, then he is a hypocrite.

  • RichYF

    We don’t need another Mariano Rivera. I don’t really like Joba “showing people up” either, but damn that must have felt good. My buddy told me about the at-bat and I was laughing pretty hard.

    Joba pretty much shit on that guy, let him get fired up. If he comes out every night with a chip on his shoulder throwing 98mph for days, then he can scream all he wants.

    If Joba tries to “be more like Mo,” it’s going to be akin to asking Cano to see 4-5 pitches per AB. Sure he can do it, but he loses a lot of effectiveness in the process.

    Thing about Dellucci is that his homerun last night didn’t matter either so why talk about it? If what Joba is doing is irrelevant, then why is it such a big deal? It’s May baseball, why even make a comment? Obviously it bothered him because he got turned out.

  • Steve S

    It still stuns me that people still listen to those two. I still have no idea what qualifies them to discuss sports and claim any kind of expertise. Pete Abe shouldnt even be nice enough to compliment them. I wish RAB would impose a Mike and the Mad Dog ban, they only dumb down the content here.

    • mustang

      They do have a larger following and have some inside information. However, their program has really gotten bad over the past few years. They seem to have lost touch with the younger listener and are more interest in office politics and ratings.
      They lack in current baseball knowledge and have no idea what’s going on in the minors.
      I think they see outlets such as this one and know that their days are numbered.

      • Steve S

        What inside information do they provide?

        They have alarge following only because people are creatures of comfort and they were the only game in town (and to be honest listening to Mike Tirico still makes them the only game in town.

        Im sick of all these sports talk guys, they all get on a pulpit and they have no commitment to journalism, its just trying to see who can shout the loudest.

    • tommiesmithjohncarlos

      Mike and the Sad Dog are a sucking maw of stupidity. I only listen to them during brief periods of stupidity on 1050 ESPN (like when they give segment to Billy Wagner or discuss that bullshit called “hockey”… nobody wants to listen to that), and when I do listen to Mike and the Sad Dog, it’s kind of like watching Fox News or slowing down on the interstate to look at a car wreck – you’re only interested in seeing how monumentally inane or horrific it is and what new lows they can stoop to.

      Dog was maintaining today that Joba is wrong because he was trying to prove to Dellucci that he somehow got even, as if HE’S A FUCKING MIND READER AND KNOWS WHAT JOBA’S THINKING. The only person on the planet other than Dog who said this was Dellucci, who we’ve all known was a self-obsessed idiot ever since he played the outfield (poorly, i might add) all those years ago for us.

      I love how he ignores the fact that Joba has always had the same emotional reaction throughout his entire career, but here, this time, in this case, all of a sudden, it’s not emotion, it’s “getting even”. He even said this whopper (and I’m paraphrasing)…

      “What if after Joba and his fist pump, the Yankees lose the game in the 9th? Now, you’re like a wideout in football who’s jumping up and spiking the ball for a first down when your team is losing by 21 points in the fourth quarter!!!”

      He was actually criticizing Joba for celebrating an individual accomplishment in the midst of his team losing a game, EVEN THOUGH HIS TEAM WASN’T LOSING THE GAME.

      HOW CAN YOU ARGUE WITH THAT ASTONISHING LEVEL OF STUPIDITY!!!!

  • Jersey

    Is this what K-Rod on the Angels has to put up with? He’s goes through all kinds of histrionics. I really don’t think it’s a big deal. Batters watch their home runs go, pitchers get pumped when they strike somebody out. It’s well within the line of appropriate. They’re not machines, they’re human, and those who are offended or dismayed need to grow up just a little, little bit.

    Plus, it’s also natural for people who lost to complain about the people who beat them. I guarantee you if the Yankees faced some other team with a guy who pumped his fist, it would ruffle some people on here the wrong way. I don’t know man, people just need to quit hatin’ in general. I didn’t know the contracts had clauses for decorum.

    Lastly, Mike and the MD don’t count for anything, ever.

  • Chris

    I think it’s interesting that many of the most memorable home runs in history come with the batter celebrating. Look at Carlton Fisk and Kirk Gibsons home runs and they’re celebrating as they hit them.

    As another comparison, think of all the posing and posturing that goes on in Football. If a linebacker makes a tackle for a loss, he’s jumping up and celebrating, even if his team is down by 20 in the 4th quarter.

    • Jobu

      And that linebacker is a huge idiot for doing that.

  • YES

    You can call me a paranoid Yankee fan but this big deal because a Yankee is doing it.
    The people who complain about Joba pumping his fist are absolutely silent about other pitchers around baseball. Why is that?
    I don’t here anyone else complaining about K-rod, Sabathia, Paplebon…..
    I’m convinced it’s a problem when Joba does it simply because he’s wearing a Yankee uniform.
    If he was anything other than a Yankee trust me you wouldn’t be hearing this whining.
    People aren’t used to the Yankees who are supposed to be “above” these things and corporate like, acting this way. It’s a surprise to some.

  • r.w.g.

    David Dellucci is right. He put that ball in the seats, no-doubt-about-it, and got around the bases. He’s a ballplayer.

    I like Joba and he’s an effective pitcher, throws the ball good. He needs to relax a bit and chill out. Take a nod from Cliff Lee who made the Yankees look foolish over and over and he just jogged off the mound and got himself in the dugout.

    A little fist pump or a pound of your mitt is cool if it’s a real big situation, but this whole spinning, yelling thing is a little immature and not quite major-league. I don’t really care if Papelbon does it, too, or some other big-name, high-salary, only-one-inning-at-a-time does it, too. It’s kinda bush. Joba can and should tone it down.

    • RichYF

      Do you watch baseball games in silence? When Mo gets a K in a big spot do you clap? Do you “fist pump” when A-Rod makes an amazing play at third?

      According to your rules, you should just tip your cap and eat your fajita. No clapping, no cheering, just silence. You’re a grown adult, no need to be obnoxious and immature over a game. I can easily take it much further, but I think my point has been made.

      • r.w.g.

        Yeah I usually don’t get too excited over things in a baseball game until the year is winding down and the races become more defined. Huge moments in big games warrant some emotion, but I personally view the whole spin/twirl/screaming/look-at-me routine being performed by pitchers with “energy” across baseball the same way I do guys that stare at their home runs. I’m not exactly railing against the whole process.. I don’t think it’s the end of baseball by any means, I could just really do without it.

      • Jobu

        Your analogy doesn’t hold. r.w.g isn’t the one facing the opponent. I think it comes down to showing respect for your opponent. Baseball is a game of the long run and showing extreme emotion based on one interaction is short-sighted. You’re going to see that opponent again and he’s more than qualified to beat you – why give him extra incentive or turn it into a war of posturing and screaming. If decorum ever leaves MLB I’m out – we already have the WWE and we don’t need another.

    • steve (different one)

      holy shit, the guy who wrote pages upon pages about how much he loved Paul O’Neill is telling Joba to tone down his emotions?

      wow, my irony meter just shattered.

      • r.w.g.

        Paul O’Neill didn’t stare at his home runs. He freaked out on umpires and water coolers when he was playing like garbage or there was a call he didn’t like.

        And as he got older, Paulie toned it down and expressed regret at the outbursts and felt they were a negative aspect of his baseball career.

        The whole spinning and screaming routine is what puts this thing over the top. He’s not a hockey player or a soccer player.. he didn’t have to fight the length of the playing field against bodies knocking into him and then burying one in the back of the net. He’s a pitcher, on the greatest team in baseball. Give your mitt a good pound, high five your catcher a little extra hard, hell smash forearms like Shelly Duncan.

        But this whole twirling, red-faced, screaming deal is kind of bush. It just is.

        • steve (different one)

          He freaked out on umpires and water coolers when he was playing like garbage or there was a call he didn’t like.

          i don’t see how “freaking out on the umpire” on a call he didn’t like is somehow more or less “bush” than celebrating a strikeout.

          seems kindof arbitrary.

          where do we find this list of what is ok and what isn’t?

          • r.w.g.

            Eh.. I mean, I’m a little shocked you’re arguing this. If Joba didn’t play for the Yankees and did what he did to the Yankees, you wouldn’t dig it. I wouldn’t dig it either.

            Why? Cause it’s kind of bush. I’m not saying it’s the most bush-league thing you can, I’m not saying it’s ruining baseball. It’s just kind of bush.

            You know this already, and you want start with “where’s this list? where can I find this list? is this a witty enough line to end my post?”

            Joba is showing up David Dellucci cause Dellucci put his fastball in the seats. Now I have to hear Joe Girardi invent reasons why this celebration isn’t over the top (“He’s looking at our dugout, not Dellucci.” — first time I’ve ever heard any BS like that).

            This isn’t the NFL, this isn’t the NBA, the NHL, Premier League or anything of the sort. It’s 162 games for the proudest franchise in sports. Act like you’ve been there before and don’t spaz the fuck out when you strike out a lifetime .260 hitter with two outs, nobody on, and a 3 run lead.

  • Jon W.

    Was Joba’s fist pump a little over the top? Probably, but it’s not a big deal. Dellucci came off as a cry baby, nothing more. He got up on his high horse and condemned Joba, while in the process making himself look like a jealous child.

    As for Mike & Chris, please. Maybe the two of them should gain a better mastery of the English language before the speak about anything. What a pair of dopes. They’re perfect for each other.

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  • Mike R.

    I remember the good old days where there was no emotion in the game. Guys like Kirk Gibson would never “Pump their fist” no matter how big the situation.

    • Micky7 Old Ranger

      Sarcasm, I hope! 27/08.

  • http://yankeesfuture.wordpress.com Pablo Zevallos

    can we please add M&MD to the tabloid independence? I mean even the Michael Kay show is better than that…

    • http://breakingballs.riveraveblues.com Tommy

      Seconded!

      • tommiesmithjohncarlos

        Thirded.

        Mike and the Mad Dog is actually WORSE than the Post and Daily News. By far.

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  • TomG

    Yesterday’s display was a little gratuitous; it; to me, it took something away from the moment.

  • A.D.

    The fact this is even a news story that sports writers & ESPN like to harp on is a bit redic. I don’t see it as showing people up he doesn’t do the smoking gun bit that Eck did, and he gets pumped over everyone.

    If people don’t like it, then go out and hit Joba, he didn’t fist pump on Tues, there is always 1 way to shut up celebrations you don’t like, and that to beat the people who do them

    Net in net this shouldn’t be a story

  • ceciguante

    agreed that joba gets this coverage b/c it’s the yanks and ESPN can’t miss an opportunity to apply a double standard against he yanks (ignoring papelbon, k-rod, sabathia, etc.). they’re shills for sensationalism, and it sells.

    however, dellucci has a point. i think a double spinning screaming fistpump (biggest one yet) is a bit much in a non-critical may game when you blew a game in a very big spot against the same guy 2 games earlier. i wish joba would tone it down a bit. i don’t like it when k-rod does it, or any of the other guys, but this was even more exaggerated than those guys. was it awful? no, b/c he didn’t do it at dellucci. but it was amateurish. apparently, rivera agrees.

    i don’t think it’s cool when manny stands there for 4 seconds after a homer, and if we’re going to complain about that (and i do), i don’t see how getting a relatively meaningless K should give you the right to basically do a screaming dance, esp when that guy schooled you in a much bigger spot 2 games earlier. i’m not saying he needs to scrap all fistpumps, but no reason he needs to do the biggest fistpump in pitching history after holding a 3 run lead for one inning. come on.

    • http://www.workwithpete.com Pete

      >> i think a double spinning screaming fistpump (biggest one yet) is a bit much in a non-critical may game when you blew a game in a very big spot against the same guy 2 games earlier. >>

      I can understand that viewpoint as well, but I suspect Joba’s reactions were partially based on the reaction of the crowd. If the fans are into it and *they* sense it’s a ‘big out’, Joba will act accordingly.

      What was the quote from Gladiator? “Win the crowd…”

    • whozat

      “however, dellucci has a point.”

      Then why didn’t he call out his own teammate when Sabathia did it in the 6th inning of a game in April?

      Either it’s ok, or it’s not.

      • LiveFromNewYork

        Are you kidding? Things are ONLY (and I do mean ONLY) wrong when Yankees do it.

      • http://2009 Haggs

        I thought that was a perfectly reasonable quote from Dellucci. He talked about Joba specifically, then said how pitchers in general get away with it more than hitters do:

        “If a hitter did something like that, it would be bush. It’s kind of interesting how a pitcher gets away with it.”

        If he wanted to be a jerk, he could have said:

        “When it really mattered, I hit his fastball over the fence and won the game for my team. Then I acted like hitting the ball over the fence is something I’ve done before. He struck me out with a three run lead, 2 outs, and nobody on base. Whoop de damn doo”

        At least Sabathia reacted to striking out ARod and (I forget the next guy) with two very important runners on base in a tight game.

      • ceciguante

        i didn’t see the sabathia celebration. and i’m not against all screams or celebrations — do what you need to keep your edge. but it’s not as simple as “ALWAYS OK” or “NEVER OK.” it’s a matter of degree, and i think joba went a little far with this one.

        if the situation was reversed, and a yankee took papelbon deep with a game-winning pinch hit blast in the 8th with 2 outs (a HUGE homer), with no showboating at all, and then papelbon did a bigger-than-normal scream after a relatively meaningless K to end the 8th in a 3-run game the next time out, most yanks fans (including me) would think it was bush league and weak. there’s a reason rivera has asked him to cool it.

  • http://www.workwithpete.com Pete

    Hey Ben, how about a shirt that has Joba pumping his fist on the front and on the back it reads, “Yeaahhh, this shirt RULES!” (sorry, didn’t mean to show you up).

    ;-)

    • LiveFromNewYork

      I would buy this.

      I think we should do a whole line of fist pump shirts. I will def buy from RAB

    • LiveFromNewYork

      I’d like a shirt that reads “Don’t like the fist pump? Pump this”

  • My Pet Goat

    The concept that this never existed before the current generation of kids hit baseball is flat out wrong. But Dellucci may be right that from a proportional standpoint, his HR was a much more important moment than Joba’s K. Having said that, it’ll be interesting to watch the learning curve here from Joba. My guess is that Dellucci had best enjoy that 3 run shot as he’s officially a marked man in Joba’s book. I’d imagine that Joba will do his best to bury double D every time they square off and I doubt he’ll be getting anymore fastballs on the inner half of the plate. He shook off Molina, made a mistake and got burned. He’s already showed an unwillingness to repeat his mistakes. I highly doubt that Dellucci will learn to lay off Joba’s slider. If the kid has to get pumped up and collect scalps and get angry, fine. I’m glad to see that he gets pissed and feels the need to dominate people that have gotten the best of him. That’s a power pitcher mentality. That’s how Gibson, Clemens, Johnson, and Ryan pitched. That’s what we’re seeing from Joba.

  • http://yankeesetc.blogspot.com/ Travis G.

    i was very annoyed the yankees celebrated winning the ’96 world series. they should have been more like ‘gentlemen’ and done some reserved handshakes and hugs (but only in the clubhouse).

    ;)

  • steve (different one)

    what Delucci seems to be missing is that the fist pump was BECAUSE he hit the HR the other night.

    that HR was the biggest failure in Joba’s career to date (bugs aside). he was devastated on Tuesday.

    striking our Delucci was a big deal for him, and it was because Delucci had bested him.

    in a way, it was really a complement to Delucci. if Ben Francisco was the 3rd out, i doubt he pumps his fist.

    • LiveFromNewYork

      I can’t believe that’s not obvious to everyone.

      The fact that you have to explain it just says how freaking stupid people are.

      Do we really need to spell this out?

  • zack

    You guys are all missing the point. The point isn’t whether Joba can show excitement or some “Yankee bias.” The point is the context.

    If Joba is going to do what he did there, it is a) 100% a reaction to himself and not the situation, since the situation was simply not that intense, period. He was reacting based on his performance two days ago, and if thats so, its purely selfish. Sure, Yankee fans might love it, but lets put it this way:

    If Papelbon gave up a game winning home run in Fenway to Melky, and then came in two days later into a 6-3 game in the 8th inning and stuck Melky out and celebrated like that, I am sure people would be screaming bloody murder, and have every right to. Because its patently ridiculous and has nothing to do with “the team.”

    As I have said before, if you are fine with Joba doing this here, then you have to be fine with Manny, Soriano and others and how they react. It might seem to you like way way worse, but it isn’t. Period

    • LiveFromNewYork

      Can’t you extend it that he wants HIS performance to be good for the TEAM? Selfish in the unselfish context?

      I think that some of Manny’s stuff is ridiculous because it seems staged. Joba seems to just express his emotions either way.

      If Papelbon gave up and HR to Melky and was devastated by it and SHOWED that devastation then struck him out and celebrated a few days later…that WOULD make sense. He would wear his emotions…good and bad on his sleeve…

      When the Red Sox were down to the Indians last year Manny was like, “Who cares?” He doesn’t show his emotions both ways…he ONLY shows them when he’s being a prancing moron.

      If someone wants to take a loss hard and celebrate a win…GREAT…but Manny prances and then when the team is down he says “Oh who cares?” THAT’S selfish…that’s not about the team.

      To really FEEL failure is to really FEEL triumph.

      CMW was devastated by his performance in the playoffs last year. He is probably pretty happy with his performance this year. Can you tell? NO.

      He acts the same way both ways.

      Joba is the opposite…he celebrates the highs and freaks out during the lows.

      Good and bad.

      And that is FINE and if Papelbon did the same thing it would be fine.

    • http://www.workwithpete.com Pete

      >> Because its patently ridiculous and has nothing to do with “the team.” >>

      Well, the ‘team’ had just lost 2 in a row and maybe, just maybe, Joba was pumped because the ‘team’ might actually win the game after getting out of that inning. (Taking into consideration that Mo is simply lights-out automatic this year, of course.)

      If you want to say ‘excessive’, fine. But if I hear the word ‘bush’ thrown around one more time, I’m honestly going to be sick.

      Of course I can’t *stand* it when another player does it to us (K-Rod, Papelbon), but I would defend his right to do it. We’re talking about reactions, not deliberate attempts to make the opposing players look silly (Manny et al).

      I love emotion in my baseball. Take away the passion and we’re dealing with entire teams full of guys with Mariano’s demeanor. Which is fine, just not at ALL interesting to watch.

      Joba’s 21 and enjoying his professional career to the fullest. Yes it’s only the 8th inning and we were up by 3 runs, but to him that’s the most important situation in the world because it’s *his* job. If he does it well, then why shouldn’t he be allowed to express emotion over it?

  • chris

    i have to say that as much as i enjoy watching the emotion on joba, i cant be a hypocrit (and bad speller) and say i think it is okay. when guys do that against the yanks, especially red sox) i go nuts and call them every cuse in the book

    sorry joba – need to tone it down a bit, maybe just a scream with no fist pump or a little fistpump like mariano will sometimes do

  • angrybear

    If you’re currently still listening to Mike and the Mad Dog I’d advise you to stop. Their obnoxious arrogance is numbing. Who made these two egotistical morons the authority on all things sports? Because they think Joba is showboating it must be gospel? Manny poses at the plate on nearly EVERY homer he hits now, no matter what the situation, but thats ok because Manny is being Manny. Yet Joba can’t be Joba. Let the kid be who he is and let’s move on to more important issues. Like who in the Yankee organization authorized 46 million for Igawa and why do they still have a job.