Was Joba getting squeezed?

2008 Pre-Draft Top 30 Prospects List
Posada working on borrowed time

During my post-game analysis of Joba’s start, I noted that the Ed Hickox’s strike zone was something a little less than generous. However, Jonathan Hale’s pitch f/x analysis of the start disagrees with me. By and large, Joba wasn’t throwing strikes. He was victimized by three bad ball calls and one borderline call that was negated by a generous strike call. Perhaps it was just nerves; I expect better results on Sunday.

Update: In the discussion below, Keith alerts us to a different pitch f/x graph that shows Joba was clearly getting squeezed by Hickox. Seven pitches in the zone were called balls. I report; you decide.

2008 Pre-Draft Top 30 Prospects List
Posada working on borrowed time
  • http://yankeesetc.blogspot.com/ Travis G.

    if Molina doesnt fuck up three plays, Joba probably has 3 ip, 0 er on his resume. i’m talking about the dropped strike 3 on stewart (admittedly a tough play), the passed ball and the poor throw to 2nd. the encouraging signs are just one (weak) hit and 3 Ks.

    it’s mostly a matter of nerves and inexperience. i think we’ll see better on sunday.

  • tommiesmithjohncarlos

    sorry to drop this tangent in thread, but to echo some of the comments in the Joba game thread, Michael Kay is a stupid idiotic mouthbreather and I want to punch him in the face.

    On his 1050 radio show, he’s taking the Yanks to task for stretching Joba out at the big league level and putting a rookie starter with the equivalent of a 3-inning pitch count in a game in June that counts in the standings, which are valid points that I even sort of agree with. But then he says, totally straightfaced, that he’d rather see the team use KEI FUCKING IGAWA for 5 innings because at least if would give us a chance for a quality start, which apparently he thinks a tag team of Joba and Dan Giese (who has been a better pitcher at every level of the majors and minors than O-Kei has been) somehow can’t do.


    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

      You know, Kei Igawa does have one more quality start than Dan Giese or Joba Chamberlain at the Major League level. Maybe Kay has a point ;)

      • Will

        Wow, Ben…as tongue-in-cheek as that was, I’m still surprised you were actually able to type that, even jokingly, without throwing your keyboard across the room ;)

      • tommiesmithjohncarlos

        I’ll see your Tongue in Cheek and raise you a Foot in Mouth.

    • Nefarious jackson

      Mike K-Clueless – The Blow hard & the angry puppy… NY sports talk radio is pathetic right now… anyone else remember the long lost days of Art Russ Jr???

      Kay says some stupid shit, but if he did say that about Igawa that may very well be the dumbest fucking thing ever said on the radio

      Joba will pitch 4 1/3 on sunday with 9 K & 0 ER

      • TurnTwo


        i say this all the time… the biggest media market in the United States, and seriously all we have is Craig and Boomer in the morning, and MMD and Michael Kay in the afternoon?

        thats nonsense.


    • steve (different one)

      yeah, i don’t get this complaint.

      it was either start Giese or Igawa with Joba in the minors.

      or start Joba and use Giese to absorb the difference.

      i just don’t see how the first is better than the second.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

    Jorge Posada has just walked into the Stadium, per Michael Kay on his radio show. Yay!

  • Nefarious jackson

    Over @ Pinstripe Plus Alan Horne’s Dad says that Alan will be flying to Scranton — not sure when he will pitch but probably monday unless the bump Kei on sunday………

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

      CJ’s got the same news from Horne himself.

  • ctkaiser

    I seem to remember Joe Girardi (I’m pretty sure it was Girardi if not it was Leiter or Joe Morgan whatever) commenting last year on Dicek and saying it was not a good idea to be showing all your pitches the first time through the order. Maybe Joba didn’t care because he was probably only going to face a few guys more than once. I’m still not sure for all the talk of scouting reports and ptiching inside it rarely looks like the Yankee pitchers have a plan or at least a plan that works. Pitch away for 5 pitches and then one sneaks back over the plate and another hit. Is Mo the only pitcher that can throw 2 or 3 pitches away and then come back inside? Somebody tell Pettitte that a chest high fast ball middle out at 86 is not a good waste pitch. For all the knocks on Michael Kay he probably made his best point in several years the other day when he pointed out that the Yanks had a chance to pick up Craig Breslow before the Twins and did not. You’ve got to admit he looked pretty good going right after hitters (no nibbling).

    • whozat

      Look at his career walk rates…he really doesn’t look like the kind of guy who generally comes right at hitters. It’s really easy to say something like that after he has a good outing, but there’s not really any reason to think he’d be a good pickup.

    • A.D.

      Yeah Breslow has a decent ERA in the majors, but the WHIP isn’t too pretty, and there has to be something about a lefty that keeps bouncing around

      • steve (different one)

        i thought about what Kay said, then i thought that the following 3 GMs have let Breslow walk in the last 3 seasons:


        and so i figured that he probably wasn’t worth picking up.

        that doesn’t mean Breslow WON’T be any good, but those are 3 pretty sharp GM’s who all took a pass. Towers is often lauded around here for assembling strong bullpens out of spare parts.

        either way, all 3 of those guys certainly know a lot more than Michael Kay.

  • Joey H

    The media has to take it easy. he didnt pitch bad the guy is a guy of hight emotion. he isnt a control pitcher but that will come with time and experience as a SP. he didnt pitch bad considering he had like 1 er and 4 walks he pitched great. they just need to quit this pitchout BS

    • A.D.

      I agree, also given the control has largely not been an issue for Joba i’m sure he can turn that around

  • swo

    I was mostly pissed about that atrocious call when Giese was pitching. Did anyone else see that? The ball that ended up right in the middle of the zone but was called a ball? I was tearing my hair out.

    • A.D.

      Pitch F/X or not the calls seemed odd, especially it seemed that Hickox squeezed both guys in the first and then his zone kinda moved around after that

  • keith

    This looks a bit different I think.


    • A.D.

      Yeah that shows about to strikes called balls, then some close ones

      • A.D.

        Should have wrote 10

        • steve (different one)

          at least this shows we aren’t crazy.

          i was irate last night. he called one pitch a ball and then gave Halladay the EXACT same pitch. it was the first pitch to Giambi.

    • http://yankeesetc.blogspot.com/ Travis G.

      ugh, i dont know why they cant use something like that to make the actual calls. then there’d be a consistent (from inning to inning, player to player, ump to ump) strike zone instead of the constantly changing zone.

  • http://memotosteinbrenner.blogspot.com Mr.MemoToSteinbrenner.blogspot.com

    If you ask me it’s a mistake with Joba like the Redsox tried with Paplebom they’ll soon see Joba run into high pitch counts and struggle before the 5th

    He’s best when comming in for 2 innings tops keeping his pitch count down and throwing the heck off the baseball cover, Like Boston learned with trying to put Pappelbom in the rotation the Yanks will learn as well and look eslsewhere for there Josh Becket….

    But all in all a Good day today in total finality that is………. in the least


    Quote says me; If the Yankees lose today, I’m going to be sick!
    Damn that first pitch Giambo fouled off if he got it, he would’ve YANKED IT!




    but theres a few things I learned about the Yanks TODAY

    * Robinson Tano cannot bunt, that needs to be fixed
    * they have no speed off the bench in running situations
    * and…

    But, If there is one thing I really REALLY REALLY learned about the Yanks today it’s that when you DONT want Robinson Tano to hit into a Double play he does and that Farsworth pushes the envelope too much to be trusted in one run games and doesn’t give a $HiT

    * HEY KYLE test your stuff in a 4 run game NOT A #1 run game