Dec
10

And Manny more

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While the Yanks may (or may not) be out of the Mark Teixeira sweepstakes, the bloviating half of the two-headed Steinbrenner monster wants to see Manny in pinstripes. According to Jon Heyman, Hanks wants the Yanks, who are also rumored be in on Rick Ankiel trade talks, to go hard after Manny in an effort to shore up the offense. I like the idea of Manny Ramirez the hitter a lot more than I like Manny Ramirez the crazy guy.

Categories : Asides, Hot Stove League
  • Rob

    That’s my boy, Hank!

    Seriously, Manny makes sense in the lineup and on the contracts being discussed – much more on both than Teixeira. Heck, I’ll even take one year of Crazy Manny over three years of Old Teixeira.

    Seriously, going home to perform is probably the best way to keep him in check. Everyone knows your friends and family are your worst critics.

    • DonnieBaseballHallofFame aka they guy who has well documented history of belligerent thickheadedness and anti-intellectual character assassinations

      Agreed. Bring Manny in here get a barber and let’s get it done.

      Heck no to Roid Ankle though.

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        “Heck no to Roid Ankle though”.

        http://www.instantcrickets.com

        • kimonizer

          that’s a great site, full of uses on the Intertubes

      • radnom

        Ankle was given HGH from a doctor before it was banned to recover from an injury.

        MLB investigated and concluded he didnt nothing wrong.

        • radnom

          *did nothing wrong

          • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            Still, though… that “Roid Ankle” witty nickname?

            HILARIOUS, BRO. Pure comedy GOLD. Chris Bermanesque.

            Donnie”andMarie”BaseballHallofFame: HE COULD…
            GO…
            ALL…
            THE…
            WAY…
            TOUCHDOWN!!!!

            RUMBLIN’ BUMBLIN’ STUMBLIN’ YOU’RE WITH ME, LEATHER!!!

            • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

              “YOU’RE WITH ME, LEATHER!!!”

              Why would you go and do that? That is such a stupid statement; what are you, stupid? That is so stupid. Do you think I’m stupid? What a Stupid question. What are you? Stupid?

      • jsbrendog

        your nicknames continue to underwhelm

  • Matthew

    Best right hand hitter of all time probably….

    I don’t see a down side. A 3 year 75 – 80 mil deal, suit him for pinstripes.

    He plays LF, we can move Johnny over to CF and live with him there for a year…a better stop gap for AJax than Cam would.

    He helps ARod…think Big Papi, but obviously Mr. Madonna is way more talented.

    1. Damon, CF
    2. Jeter, SS
    3. Arod, 3B
    4. Manny, LF
    5. Jorge, C
    6. X, RF
    7. Masui, DH
    8. Cano, 2B
    9. Swish, 1B

    1. CC
    2. Wang
    3. Lowe
    4. Pettitte
    5. Joba

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Best right hand hitter of all time probably….

      Woah, woah, woah… I love the guy as much as you, but let’s not go overboard here.

      He’s in the top 15-20. That’s awesome, without a doubt. But he’s not the best ever. Baseball has a long, long, long history….

    • Count Zero

      I have Joe DiMaggio on line 2 for you…and boy is he pissed. ;-)

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        *cough*Jimmie Foxx*cough*
        *cough*Hank Greenberg*cough*
        *cough*Rogers Hornsby*cough*
        *cough*Albert Pujols*cough*

  • Mike Pop

    Hank should step in and get Manny for 3 75

  • Mike W.

    Manny and Sheets please… please…!!!!!

    • Matthew

      What do you do on the Pettitte and Joba fronts?

      Joba to the Pen? Pettitte to the pasture?

      • Mike W.

        Without trying to start a fight, I was done watching Pettitte pitch for the Yanks when the season ended….

        And Joba is staying with CC at the top of our rotation…

        • Matthew

          No, I’m not necessarily against that. For 10 mil I’d do it though, and use Joba in the pen…

          But Joba is not close to being a top of the rotation kind of guy….yet, and certainly not on this team in the next few years.

          • radnom

            Are we talking about the same Joba?

            • Mike

              Joba will be an above average starter, but a dominate closer.

              I’d rather a pen with Mo and Joba and Joba the eventual successor to joba as a #2 or 3 for the next few years.

              • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                Joba will be an above average starter, but a dominate closer. I’d rather a pen with Mo and Joba and Joba the eventual successor to joba as a #2 or 3 for the next few years.

                This is batshit insane.

              • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                above average starters >>> dominant closers

                Furthermore,

                ace starters >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dominant closers

                • kimonizer

                  On that note Kruk was saying on ESPN today that the mets made a better signing with Rodriguez than Yanks did with CC because the closer gets in more games and earns wins. Worst of all he used Mariano as an example and said that it wasn’t the starting pitching that won Yankee world series but Mo and Wettland. I love Mo just as much as anyone but that is so short sited and stupid to insinuate.

                  I just wanted to reach into the screen and rip the danish out of Kruk’s hand!!!!!

                • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  John Kruk makes Sarah Palin look like Steven Hawking.

                • Kayp

                  Yea i am not a big fan of John Kruk, he hates the yanks.

                • dkidd

                  the first time john kruk played in chicago, the team bus was heading up lake shore drive towards wrigley and young kruk looked out his window at lake michigan and said “which ocean is that? the meditaranean?”

                • dkidd

                  bad spelling, but you get the idea

          • Mike W.

            Huh? What do you think he is when healthy, a fifth starter?

            • steve (different one)

              huh?

          • Count Zero

            Joba as a starter in 2008:

            65.1IP, 60H, 74K, 25BB 2.76 ERA

            Small sample size, yada, yada, yada — but he could certainly be a top of the rotation guy as early as 2010. I would say 2009 except for the innings cap.

            Aside from the somewhat ugly BB total (which he never exhibited in MiL), those numbers represent domination in the AL. That’s not just top of the rotation stuff — that’s CY stuff.

            • kimonizer

              and that probably includes that one early transition outing that lasted only 2.1 innings and he gave up 4 walks. Take that out and you get

              63 IP, 59 H, 71 K, 21BB

              That’s a WHIP of somewhere around 1.27

              Which is pretty amazing for a first year pitcher

      • DonnieBaseballHallofFame aka they guy who has well documented history of belligerent thickheadedness and anti-intellectual character assassinations

        If Pettitte takes the ten mill deal he can come to the party as well.

        Joba will be hurt, limited to innings, or in the pen or in the rotation. If we sign Sheets we are going to need somebody else to eat innings, but the innings we get from Sheets I would have to assume would be great ones.

        • Mike Pop

          Joba will be hurt ? Really ?

        • Count Zero

          Joba will be hurt, limited to innings, or in the pen or in the rotation.

          I guess that pretty much covers all the available options…way to go out on a limb there! Oh wait…I guess he might be retired from baseball? Or in prison for DUI?

          • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            Dating Madonna?

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        What do you do on the Pettitte and Joba fronts?

        1) CC
        2) Wang
        3) Joba
        4) Sheets OR Lowe
        5) Pettitte
        Scranton, eagerly awaiting the first pulled hamstring: Hughes and Kennedy

        There’s no such thing as a “Joba front”. He’s a starter, that’s been debated endlessly, and it’s settled. The organization is going to treat him like a starter until he proves his body can’t handle it. They’ve committed, it’s the right decision, let’s move on.

  • http://www.pinstripealley.com Travis G.

    Wow. i actually agree with Hank.

    • DonnieBaseballHallofFame aka they guy who has well documented history of belligerent thickheadedness and anti-intellectual character assassinations

      Hank has a little bit of his dad in him, and that is a good and a bad thing.

      I want Manny on this team more than any other free agent. We should have picked him off the Sox the times he was put on waivers.

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Co-sign.

        • kimonizer

          I think Manny for 2-3 would be great too. Great theatre if not great baseball, but probably great baseball. Imagine A-rod’s #’s

          But what do you do with the Nady/Damon/Matsui/Melky/Gardner logjam that already exists without killing our outfield D?

          • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            But what do you do with the Nady/Damon/Matsui/Melky/Gardner logjam that already exists without killing our outfield D?

            2009:
            LF- Manny
            CF-Gardner
            RF-Nady
            DH-Damon
            4th OF/LIDR- Melky

            And I sell Hideki Matsui to Seattle for a $20 Starbucks gift card and the new Paul Simon CD.

            Manny’s bad, but he’s not as bad as he’s portrayed. And, if we upgrade Matsui’s bat to Manny’s bat, I’m confident we can live with Gardner’s growing pains in CF… his glove makes up for it. Nady’s perfectly passable.

            That’s an average to slightly above average outfield, both offensively and defensively.

            P.S.
            2010:
            LF- Manny
            CF-Austin Jackson
            RF-Matt Holliday
            DH-Posada
            4th OF/LIDR- Gardner

            Boom.

            • Count Zero

              Agreed — I ‘ll even let them keep the Paul Simon CD and throw in some Anime pr0n…

            • kimonizer

              I can see that but it is contingent on getting rid of Matsui, which is also not out of the question but not easy.

              How was Manny’s defense in LA? I imagine that the left field there is at least somewhat closer to the stadium dimensions than Fenway is. He is after all one of those rare bats that manages to compensate for lost runs in the field.

  • Chuck

    yea manny is pretty damn good. Im for a rick ankiel trade if it makes some sense. Isn’t his deal up after next season anyway? So its a short commitment incase it doesn’t work out too well.

    • kimonizer

      No to Ankiel. We need a bona fide centerfielder if we are going to add anything to the outfield. Defense is what needs improving not offense.

      I really think the offense will take care of itself this year. Last year we got nothing from Posada and Matsui, they kind of replace Giambi and Abreu. Cano HAS to be better than he showed last year. Especially if he gets his act together like he seems to be doing. Also A-Rod and Jete injuries killed us for stretches. No to mention the sorry state of the bench last year and the potential for Swish/Punto/Ransom to cure some of that. The offense will turn it around.

      Rejuvenated offense, up and coming bullpen, retooled starting pitching. All of these are on the way, lets get some speed and defense and finish it all off.

      • Chuck

        I think that makes sense, I agree. I am found of ankiel. especially for a year. He isn’t terrible defensively is he? He must have an arm.. as wild as it may be. I just hope they would go with ankiel over the other possible moves that have been thrown out there. I just see more potential/upside in an ankiel trade than a cameron trade. But I think Gardner was showing some good signs toward the end of last season.. mine as well see if it continues.

  • kimonizer

    Man, the OF logjam really emphasizes why Cash is trying to get some roster flexibility. Whenever the Damon/Nady/Matsui trio comes up I think of how it would be easier to improve if we had just two of those three.

    If we had just Damon/Nady then Damon DHes or LF, with Nady in one outfield position Melky/Gardner in center and an open outfield position to fill with FA. Good leadoff in Damon, better CF defense and the possibility to add some pop in a corner/DH: Dunn or Manny.

    If we had just Damon/Matsui then then Matsui DHes, with Damon in one outfield position Melky/Gardner in center and an open outfield position to fill with FA. Good leadoff, solid DH with Matsui, good center defense and we look for a corner bat: Dunn.

    If we had just Matsui/Nady then Matsui DHes, with Nady in one outfield position Melky/Gardner in center and an open outfield position to fill with FA. No leadoff but solid middle order bats in Mats and Nady and still flexibility to add another corner bat: Dunn.

    But as it stands now adding any FA (Manny/Dunn) means bumping the young guys out of the field (since you have to play all the big contracts) and royally screwing any outfield defense. Also Manny is really only functional as a DH and Damon’s suspect CF defense and Matsui’s bad D prevents us from freeing up that space.

    Considering how this is a lesson in roster flexibility, it makes me wonder why we would ever sign both Burnett and Lowe to long contracts as we would be creating the same kind of logjam in the rotation and limiting the upward flow of all the great upcoming pitching talent (Hughes, IPK, Betances, Brackman, etc., etc.)

    That being said, next year’s hot stove should be interesting as Mats and Damon will be FAs and we will have lots of wholes to plug in the OF/DH realm. Hopefully Ajax will be ready.

    Sorry that was long. I’m tuckered out now

    • The Evil Dynasty

      Matsui’s bad defense? The only guy we can have a problem with is Damon in center
      - __- We should pick up Manny, DH him, Matsui LF Damon CF Nady RF & trade Melky.
      That is of course whether Matsui is healthy.

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Matsui CANNOT play LF on a fulltime basis. He can’t even play LF on a part-time basis.

        That ship has sailed.

      • kimonizer

        Matsui was getting really bad in that huge left field (NOOOO RANGE) before the knee surgeries. The last thing we want is him in the outfield on a daily basis. Even Girardi saw Matsui as a DH/fourth outfielder and the idea of Matsui even as a fourth outfielder has made some on RAB go crazy

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        We should pick up Manny, DH him, Matsui LF Damon CF Nady RF

        A) Manny is probably a billion times better of a leftfielder right now than Matsui, who can’t even play there.
        B) Matsui-Damon-Nady would be HORRID. I think you could legitimately see somebody die on the field in that setup.

        • The Evil Dynasty

          Ok, i’ll admit Matsui in left isn’t the most glorified option there is and Manny might do better there, but Manny DAMON Nady in the OF and Matsui DH is (i’ll admit) better. BUT! The only thing that concerns me is the abundance of OFs that we have (Melk Gardner) = ( What are they going to do?

      • steve (different one)

        are you implying that Matsui’s defense isn’t bad? it’s worse than bad.

        • kimonizer

          remember when he filled in at CF a few times. Oh how quickly those knees age.

    • A.D.

      Realistically if they pick up a corner outfielder they can easily trade Nady, and look to trade Damon or Matsui

      • kimonizer

        Would love to think that but who would take any of those three (esp. Damon and Matsui) without us eating cash?

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          Nobody. So, we eat some cash.

          It’s a one year deal… we can eat 6M. Hell, that may be the very reason they’re playing hardball with Andy; they want to save the 6M from his one year deal to use to eat Matsui money if/when we need to dump him.

        • A.D.

          Nady only made 3.35 mil last year… whats to eat?

          • kimonizer

            good point, although I would argue he would be the last one to get rid of of the three but the easiest to get rid of.

  • Bruno

    I’d love to see Rick Ankiel in CF. IPK and who else? Gardner? I’m Ok with that, but doubt St. Louis would be.

  • http://mvn.com/thebronxblock/ Tom Gaffney

    Bloviating… nice word.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Vociferousness.

      • Count Zero

        Easy there Clyde…lol

  • yankeefan91 Sign ,burnett or sheets and manny

    make it happen this would be great adding a bat like ramirez to this offense i would love this is is just great

  • Mattingly’s Love Child

    I am seriously afraid of signing Manny for three reasons.

    1. He is TERRIBLE in the outfield. Range is awful, arm is ok.

    2. He is a NIGHTMARE on the bases. Taking the extra base at the wrong time, hustling at the wrong time, jogging A LOT of the time.

    3. He is batshit insane. I don’t see him and Girardi really meshing very well. I can’t see Jeter really being accepting of him not running out balls, sleeping in the outfield, taking days off against Josh Beckett,etc… Basically the entire team will want to kill him by September.

    He’s one of the greatest hitters of all time, but I’d feel more comfortable with The Bat or the Big Donkey.

    • kimonizer

      I’m not defending Manny’s craziness but weren’t these all from the last couple of years in Boston. Maybe he just went insane from being in Beantown (completely understandable). It is a huge risk but there is a possibility that being in NY and being around more players he feels are in his class as far as historical status (Jeter, Mo, A-rod, and even Posada) may make him a little less crazy like he was in Cleveland. The Red Sox have had some good players during their run, but where are all the future HOFers for him to actually feel any peer pressure from. Varitek? Ortiz? Schilling? Youkilis? The Red Sox have good players but not the same kind of gravitas that Manny might need to keep him in line.

      Or I am just spouting hopeful BS and he is neither The Bat or Big Donkey, but a Batshit Ass

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Basically the entire team will want to kill him by September.

      … and then they’ll look at the standings and realize that we’re in first place by 8 games, and that Manny and ARod are both OPS’ing 1100 and the entire league is scared shitless of the heart of our lineup in a way not seen since the 1930′s.

      And we’ll be fine.

      • Mattingly’s Love Child

        I understand that. But won’t we all be going nuts when he ducks out of a bunch of games in August like he does every year?!

        I know the lineup would be nasty with him. I guess if I felt confident that he wouldn’t bring his entire act to NYC with him.

        Couldn’t we just move Jeter to center, sign Furcal and Dunn (to DH), and call it a day? I know the Cap’n won’t move off short, but wouldn’t that make them better defensively and offensively?

        I guess though the easiest thing to do would be to sign the pact with the devil, oh I mean Manny. Have him DH and give away Matsui for a bag of balls.

    • 7 Angels

      he’d be dead by the 1st of july!!!!

  • The Evil Dynasty

    Really, A – Rod and Manny on the same lineup card is just *** I’m too excited i’ll be right back.

  • Mike Pop

    I’m not sure if your joking but your ridiculous if your not. That was mad obnoxious dude