Dec
03

Report: Braves preparing to offer Burnett 5 yrs

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With the Javy Vazquez trade set to be official any moment, the Braves aren’t wasting any time moving on another top pitcher. Mark Feinsand, citing “sources,” is reporting that they’re preparing to offer AJ Burnett a five year contract, something that Burnett and his agent are looking for. Reports have indicated that the Yanks will not go to five years for Burnett, but they could still offer a higher annual salary to keep him interested. If this report is true, it would seem that Frank Wren & Co. have moved on from Jake Peavy.

For what it’s worth, ESPN’s Rob Neyer debated between AJ Burnett and Derek Lowe yesterday, concluding that Lowe is the better bet because he offers more certainty. I agree with that 100%.

Categories : Asides, Hot Stove League
  • Rob

    I’m of the strong belief that Lowe on the Yankees would get hammered for one simple reason: The well-below average shortstop. Jeter had a -18 FRAA last year and a 87 RATE. A right-handed good, but not Wangian, groundballer would do that much worse.

    Of course, to Cashman, signing Lowe for four years at 60 million and giving up a first rounder makes perfect sense rather than signing Pettitte for one year and no giving up a draft choice. Even better when Pettitte replaces Lowe in LA. That Ned Colletti is a genius!

    • Rob

      By hammered, I simply mean Lowe would go from being above average to merely average. He’ll eat innings, but then Pettitte could do that.

      • Jay CT

        Wasn’t Lowe was getting knocked around for the first couple months of last season because the defense was bad? I thought he was, in which case that would totally support your point

    • steve (different one)

      you only have one first round pick to lose.

      if the Yankees sign Sabathia, the pick is gone anyway. it would only cost them a second round pick.

      your point is…pointless.

      • Rob

        You might want to go back to the second grade and work on your reading comprehension skills. And you’re making an assumption there that hasn’t been proven true yet.

        There were three points:
        1. A well-below average defensive SS doesn’t help a RH groundballer excel.
        2. Lowe on the Yankees, with that shortstop, is no clear improvement over Pettitte.
        3. Lowe, on a four-year contract, is worse than Pettitte, especially when any picks are involved.

        Now your assumption on Sabathia hasn’t been proven true – yet. If he goes out West, with Burnett in Atlanta, Lowe might be the only type-A signed, especially if they really aren’t in on Tex or Manny. I’ll leave it to you, as reading comprehension practice, to figure out what that means.

        • steve (different one)

          i can read. can you?

          Of course, to Cashman, signing Lowe for four years at 60 million and giving up a first rounder makes perfect sense

          it is highly unlikely that Lowe will be only Type A the Yankees sign.

          • Rob

            Ah, yes. Your only point was….pointless. Thanks for that.

            • steve (different one)

              not really. it is very unlikely that the Yankees give up a first round pick for Derek Lowe.

              in other words, you were talking out of your ass.

              • Rob

                And still you have nothing of substance to add to this discussion? Don’t you have something better to do – like wax your bikini line or wash your hair?

                • steve (different one)

                  HAHAHAHA!!1!!!!!

                  oh, so funny.

                  i get it, i am a homosexual!!! where do you and DBHOF come up with these witty barbs?

                  all you had to say to make your point was “Of course, to Cashman, signing Lowe for four years at 60 million and giving up a DRAFT PICK makes perfect sense ”

                  that’s all.

                  but no, you tried to stack the deck and give your anti-Cashman argument more weight by creating a hypothetical and unlikely situation where Derek Lowe costs a first round pick.

                • jsbrendog

                  steve 1 – rob 0

                • Rob

                  Are you still making assumptions and going on about likelihoods?

                  In all your blathering you still failed to address the actual, you know, points. What, you don’t care to defend Jeter’s defense? Or suggest that Lowe will be any better than average in the AL East? Or that Pettitte wouldn’t have a better signing?

                • UWS

                  You know, if more people waxed their bikini lines and/or washed their hair, the world would be a better place to live.

                • Nady Nation

                  Is washing your hair a girly thing to do? I wash mine everyday. I guess I sound like a gay.

                • Jack

                  Is washing your hair a girly thing to do?

                  Is conditioner involved?

                • steve (different one)

                  Or suggest that Lowe will be any better than average in the AL East? Or that Pettitte wouldn’t have a better signing?

                  here is the thing: i agree that Pettitte is a better signing. and i am not even that thrilled with the idea of signing Lowe at all.

                  but in light of the dressing down i received below i will apologize and explain myself.

                  i (over)reacted to the point that you keep hammering on that Cashman was somehow an “idiot” (your word) for not offering these players arbitration.

                  many intelligent people, including the site owners, have outlined many sound reasons for why this decision made sense. even if you disagree, it was not the obvious decision your constant harping implies. that’s all.

                  i admit that THIS post did not warrant my response, but that it was a cumulative thing.

                  again, i apologize. let’s move on. i have balls to wax….j/k.

                • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

                  To Nady Nation:

                • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

                  You know, if more people waxed their bikini lines and/or washed their hair, the world would be a better place to live.

                  UWS, I love you, you ugly, weird slut, you.

          • Chris C.

            “For what it’s worth, ESPN’s Rob Neyer debated between AJ Burnett and Derek Lowe yesterday, concluding that Lowe is the better bet because he offers more certainty. I agree with that 100%.”

            Here are the certainties on Lowe:
            He was awefull his last two season in the AL, and was very good in his home ballpark for 4 years in the NL (Chavez Ravine, no less), and subpar on the road. So for 6 years, he only pitched well consistently in one stadium. I won’t even get into his supposed not wanting to come to the Yankees, because that is just heresay.
            Another certaintly: He’ll be over 35 during the first year of his contract.

            I don’t think anyone can be “certain” that he’ll be a better signing for the New York Yankees than AJ Burnett.

            • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

              Here’s a few more certainties:

              Since being converted to a starter in 2002, Derek Lowe has made at least 32 starts and pitched over 200 innings in 6 of those 7 years (with the one exception being an uber-respectable 182 innings in 2004). His ERA+’s during those seven years were 177, 104, 90, 114, 124, 118, and 131. He has no significant injury history, and as a non-power-pitching sinkerballer, he profiles well as a pitcher able to continue to pitch effectively at an advanced age.

              Burnett is a walking M*A*S*H unit, has three 200 innings seasons sandwiched amongst numerous 120 innings (or fewer) campaigns, and his ERA+’s in the six seasons where he managed to make at least 20 starts are 104, 122, 115, 115, 119, and 105.

              Throwing 98 is sexy, so people love Burnett. But over the past decade, Derek Lowe has been the much better pitcher, hands down. Not to mention, much, much healthier.

              Again, I don’t want Lowe, but Burnett is a bigger risk.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      I’m sorry, what was the Dodgers’ record again? What league did they play in?

      Yeah, Colletti’s some genius, look at that juggernaut he built.

      • radnom

        BUT TORRE MADE THE PLAYOFFS AND THE YANKEES DIDNT OMG

      • Rob

        That was sarcasm directed at our GM. The point is: If Colletti replaces Lowe with Pettitte and gets two picks in the process, he’ll look like a genius relative to Cashman.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

          Oh, my bad yo.

          • Jay CT

            That is a good point…

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

          That was sarcasm directed at our GM. The point is: If Colletti replaces Lowe with Pettitte and gets two picks in the process, he’ll look like a genius relative to Cashman.

          I’m glad to know that the Cashman v. Colletti debate only considers things happening now, beginning from October 2008 going forward.

          I’d hate to ruin your whole “Colletti is smarter than Cashman” theme by bringing up Andruw Jones, Juan Pierre, or Jason Schimdt.

          • Rob

            Uhhhh….that’s what makes it sarcasm. *Anytime* Ned Colletti looks smart relative to your GM, you should really be wondering about your GM.

            • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

              Uhhhh….that’s what makes it sarcasm

              If it has to be explained that much… it’s either not good sarcasm or your premises are bad..

              You were making a “sarcastic” point that Cashman did something so bonheadedly dumb, it was Collettiesque, but since what Cashman did was not, in fact, boneheadedly dumb, your “sarcasm” fell apart and people took you literally.

              • Nady Nation

                Colletian? Col…Colleti-oan?

                • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

                  San Diagans? San Dieagites?

                • UWS

                  San Diegolese.

                • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=15305165&ref=profile Doug

                  “A Whale’s Vagina.”

          • steve (different one)

            offering arbitration to Lowe and Manny was a no brainer. if either of them accepted, the Dodgers would be thrilled.

            offering arbitration to Pettitte was not a no brainer. it was a complicated decision that could go one way or the other.

            what was not a “genius” move by Colletti was not offering arbitration to Joe Beimel. completely braindead decision.

            there was zero downside to offering him arbitration considering he made all of $1.9M last year and would garner a sandwich pick. if he accepted, he is on a one year deal for what, $3M?? you could trade him in a heartbeat.

            if Cashman had done something like that, the sarcasm would surely be warranted.

          • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

            Hey, Jason Schmidt was an excellent signing. $12M per for only 3 yrs when the guy was coming off a 4 yr stretch as the most dominant pitcher in the league. Can’t complain about it one bit.

            So he got hurt, it happens. That’s the risk you take with every pitcher. The deal itself was excellent when it was signed.

            • Ivan

              He was sorta breaking down at the end with the Giants though.

              Nevertheless, I love that dude’s arm.

            • MJ

              Coletti has been hit and miss. The Pierre/Andruw moves stunk but I agree that the Schmidt was a good risk, relative to what prices were (and where they were headed). The move hasn’t panned out and is easy to second-guess now but I can’t fault the Dodgers for wanting to add one of the best NL pitchers available and gamble on the upside, injuries notwithstanding.

            • Chris C.

              I agree……Schmidt was a very good signing.

              But Jones and Pierre were silly. Every scout in baseball knew that Andruw Jones was breaking down. And Pierre was always a guy who doesn’t take walks, has no power, is a shaky defensive player, and steals bases at a terrible rate.

        • nmc

          I thought it was already settled that the chance of Pettitte going to LA was 0

  • Reggie C.

    I guess this could revive Peavy-Yankee discussions.

    At this point, Kevin Towers must be wringing his hands. Will he get a SINGLE top-prospect now, let alone the 2 he desires? Will Peavy be open to a move to the AL now that the best NL fits are gone?

    If Peavy okays a yankee trade, then perhaps Cash can get Towers to bite on a trade that doesn’t include Hughes. I know we can put together a package that’s superior to what the Cubs offer. Maybe LAA can kill all CC talk and make a run at Peavy themselves.

    • Jack

      Towers has already said a deal could be done without Hughes.

      • http://barackobama.com TurnTwo

        but if you’re getting Peavy back, a Hughes-centered package makes sense, especially if you dont have to use as many total prospects in a Hughes package to get Peavy.

        • Jack

          Right, but he was saying that we can do it without Hughes because of this. I was just pointing out that we wouldn’t have needed to anyway.

          • http://barackobama.com TurnTwo

            gotcha, my bad. thats what i get for skimming too quickly.

        • Chris C.

          Trading Phil Hughes even straight up for a pitcher the Padres are now bordering on desperate to get rid of makes absolutely no sense at all. Especially since he was the one guy you refused to stick in a deal for Johan Santana less than a year ago! It the Pods GM says you don’t have to stick Hughes in a deal for Peavy, how does it make any sense to do just that??

          • Mike Pop

            Because Hughes is a B-U-S-T

            • http://barackobama.com TurnTwo

              its not just that… its that the pitcher you are trading for has the ceiling you hope Hughes can achieve, but has already achieved it.

              plus, it avoids having to trade or ‘throw-in’ commodities who are lower in the system, but have higher ceilings than Hughes has (Brackman, Betances, amongst others).

              now, you take more of a risk in hoping the lower arms can develop to even get to where Hughes is at right now, but if they do break thru, they could potentially have more impact than Hughes can.

    • Rob

      I worry about Peavey’s road stats (2008 = 4.28 ERA) and his salary going forward. He could be an 110-120 ERA+ guy in the AL Beast. That’s good but not worthy of his expense.

      • steve (different one)

        roughly $15M/year for a 110-120 ERA+?

        how would that not be worth it?

        • Rob

          It’s an average of $16 million a year for the next three years and then jumps to $22 million in 2013 ($4 million buyout).

          Nope, not worth it. Not when you’d still have to trade decent prospects and not when his road ERA in 2008 in the NL was 4.28.

          The same money, or less, could be used next year on the free agent market with Bedard or Harden. I’d rather use Pettitte as a stop gap.

          • http://barackobama.com TurnTwo

            so you’d rather use money to sign two of the poster children for injured pitchers that we have left in the league over spending the $$ on a Cy Young award winner who’d only have a 110-120 ERA+?

            yeah, makes sense.

            • Rob

              Well, because of exactly that they wouldn’t cost as much, nor would require the prospects. You bet I’d rather that while continuing to develop our own pitching. Sabathia is almost a perfect signing this year. Otherwise, everything else is iffy. I’d rather the cheaper, shorter contracts without giving up prospects.

              • http://barackobama.com TurnTwo

                but you’re basically money that you are all but guaranteed to throw away, whether or not its on a short term or longer term basis.

                i get taking a risk… but this isnt even an educated risk. you know these pitchers will end up with injuries. they cant be counted on at all.

                • Mike Pop

                  Peavy might end up having injuries too.. He dealt with injuries this season

                • http://barackobama.com TurnTwo

                  sure, any pitcher could have an injury.

                  but you cant just throw money at someone whose track record has red flags everywhere. thats just dumb and wasteful.

                  like i said, i get taking a risk. but those specific pitchers go beyond that threshold, especially when the rest of the rotation, as of now, has so many question marks.

                  now, if you go into 2010 needing only 1 pitcher, or having 5 legitimate options for the rotation already, and you have minor league options you could try out there or who could fill in adequately and wanted to take a risk on a Bedard or a Harden, then maybe you could convince me then on the upside there… maybe.

      • Jay CT

        Who exactly do you like, especially if the Yanks cant get CC? Not Lowe, not Peavy… Burnett on 5 years? Sheets? I would do a 3 or 4 year deal for Sheets and trade for Peavy if they miss on CC. Agreed there is some risk for Peavy and for Sheets, but you need to do SOMETHING

        • Rob

          People forget, the pitching wasn’t the biggest problem in 2008.

          Realistically, if not CC – sign Manny, Pettitte, and Sheets. Check in on Tex’s prices, but bail when the years go over 6. Total outlay = maybe $140 million with no contract longer than four years.

          More radically – i.e. it will never happen – sign Furcal and shift Jeter to 1B. Pettitte and Sheets. Then sign Manny. Total outlay = maybe $180 million with no contract longer than four years.

          • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

            People forget, the pitching wasn’t the biggest problem in 2008.

            But it’s the biggest problem right now, and it couldn’t be any more obvious.

            • Rob

              Even more reason to offer Pettitte (and of course, Moose)!

              Sign Pettitte. That makes three. Then hopefully CC. If not, go for Sheets. Lowe should be a last resort and he’ll be out there with Boras.

              But it might be easier and cheaper to upgrade on offense between Manny and Dunn.

              • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

                I’m with that plan.

              • nmc

                What you guys do not realize is that Manny, Dunn, CC, Sheets, Peavy, these free agents do not want to sign with the Yankees, those heartless sons of bitches. The New York Yankees led by the devil-incarnate Steinbrenner and the good-player-repellant Girardi (who doesn’t hold a candle to Joe Torre or Tito) can offer up all the money they want, the only free agent they’re getting this year is Carl Pavano, mostly because hanknstein won’t shut up and Brian Cashman is a tool.

                This has been Comrade Peter Gammons, thank you and goodnight.

  • Reggie C.

    Finally!! Tex has spoken. Sort of.

    ESPN radio (max kellerman) reporting that Tex has told “friends” that he prefers to go back to the East Coast. The boras games have begun.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones
      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

        “The film is just me in front of a brick wall for an hour and a half. It cost $80 million.”

        “How do you sleep at night?”

        “On top of a pile of money with many beautiful ladies.”

        “Just asking. Yeesh!”

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

          Jay: Your shoe’s untied.
          Rainier Wolfcastle: From here, they appear to be tied, but I will go in for a closer look…

          • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

            Upon further inspection, these are loafers.

  • radnom

    Good.

    Let them have him.

  • Jack

    He can take Hampton’s spot in the DL rotation.

    • radnom

      heh.

    • Ivan

      Ha ha ha, good one.

  • Blackdragon905

    So in a possible playoff series, the Yanks would have Wang and Lowe. They would have two sinker ballers in the same series. Hitters would see two sinkers ballers. I don’t like that at all. We have seen that anything can happen once the ball is put into play. Andy got killed last year with our defense and the constant ground balls.

    I don’t trust Lowe at all. I think he will get lit up in the AL East, just look at his last year with the Sox. Plus he’s going to be 36 in June. I look at him more as an innings eater, which is what Andy would give us. I thought power pitching wins in the playoffs, like Beckett, etc. I’d take the fire-balling Burnett who consistently shuts down the big hitting teams like the Yanks and Sox and is 4 years younger any day of day of the week over Lowe. At least we know Burnett can still pitch in the AL East, can’t say the same for Lowe.

    • radnom

      Lowe sucks too for multiple years.

      Bring back CC and Pettite thats all we need.

      Or Sheets if the deal makes sense.

      No Lowe.
      No Burnett.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      I’d take the fire-balling Burnett who consistently shuts down the big hitting teams like the Yanks and Sox…

      But why can’t he shut down the mediocre teams? He’s got a in 1.91 ERA against the Sox & Yanks over the last two years, but a 4.83 ERA against everyone else.

      • christopher

        but who would you rather have pitching game 3 of a series. i go for the guy who sems to get pumped up for big games and shuts down big offenses. With CC and a healthy Wang you have to assume the staff will have enough to win 90+ games. I will take a 12-10 burnett in the playoffs rather than a 15-10 lowe.

        i think its worth the gamble that he dominates in 2 of 5he 5 years, is above average for the other two and hurt in one. will take those odds because i want him on the mound in the play-offs over lowe.

        plus with the rotation depth, i think the team can afford missing burnett or sheets for a few weeks in august to rest them for th stretch run

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

          Derek Lowe has a 3.33 ERA & 1.17 WHIP in 83.2 IP career in the playoffs. AJ Burnett has never pitched in the playoffs.

          You’re basing your opinion of him being a big game pitcher on how he dominated the Yanks and Sox in a bunch of meaningless games for a team out of contention.

          • christopher

            also based on their age, the poor defense behind him, and the fact that high strikeout pitchers are usually the types of guys you want in the playoffs -not having power pitchers is a big reason why this team hasnt passed the first round in a long time.

            i agree lowe has a good history, but believe AJ has a better future

            • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

              “not having power pitchers is a big reason why this team hasnt passed the first round in a long time.”

              No. Not having good power pitchers is a big reason why this team hasn’t passed the first round in a long time. We’ve had tons of power pitchers. Most of them weren’t good, because they gave up lots of walks and hits and homers mixed in with all their sexy strikeouts.

              Burnett is a power pitcher. He’s just not a remarkably good one.

    • MJ

      I don’t see why Wang and Lowe both being sinkerball pitchers would matter? If you can get outs, you can get outs. That’s not to say I think the Yanks should sign Lowe — I think he’s better suited for the NL at this point — but I certainly don’t see why pitchers of the same type would provide an advantage to the other team as long as they’re both good pitchers.

  • E-ROC

    Peavy to the Cubs with the help of the Orioles or some other team seems likely now.

    • christopher

      getting haren and peavy n a year;s period coupled with straightening dempster outis they tyoe of thing the ysnkd need to do.

      i figured they were out of prsvy once they locked up dempdter, but if the braves sign burnett, they will have Towers over a barrell.

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

        T-Y-P-E
        S-L-O-W-E-R

  • Bill

    Why cant they just give Burnett a 4 year contract and option for a fifth year.

    I rather have a power pitcher and he has pitch good against the Red Sox in the past.

    Make the offer now before its two late.

  • Tim

    I find this news comforting. The thought of AJ in pinstripes just never sat well with me.

  • radnom

    Holy fuck Sabbathia needs to sign somwhere soon he is holding up this whole goddamn show.

    I wonder if he is just being a dick on purpose….and won’t sign until the day before spring training just to screw over the entire league. That’s what I would do.

    • Matt M

      With all of the concerns about his weight…and the fact that this is winter. Maybe the fella is in hibernation?

      or maybe his post-thanksgiving day coma lasts extra long =)

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

        Maybe CC stands for Chris Cringle, and he’s just ramping up for the holiday season.

        CC = Black Santa

        • Mike Pop

          Hes going to make or break christmas in New York

  • jsbrendog

    good riddance, let atlanta overpay for him. cause I’m sure as hell happy we didn’t. at this cashman just has to go, oh well. moving on…..

  • Kevin M.

    I bet anything Atlanta’s offer is no more than $60 mil/ for 5 years. Which would mean our likely 4 year $60/mil offer actually blows there’s out of the water.

    • Reggie C.

      You don’t think the Braves are going to give Burnett even a slight raise? C’mon…

      If its a 5 year deal, Wren is probably offering 14 ML per. Burnett should jump at it.

  • Ivan

    Well if Burnett does potentially go to the Braves, which Im all for,

    then other than CC, which pitcher could the yanks go after? Lowe really doesn’t excite me especially considering he’s no better than Pettitte.

    • http://barackobama.com TurnTwo

      cough (Peavy) cough.

      do it, Cash. do it.

  • Evan

    We really need to sign Sheets, sure the injury risk is there but not more so than Burnett and the money and contract demands are not there. We need to show interest before he accepts arbitration.

    Rotation of:

    CC
    Wang
    Sheets
    Andy
    Joba

    with (Hughes, IPK, Aceves all in the wings if one goes down)

    That is a solid rotation even with Joba at 150 innings and if Sheets only pitches 190.

    • christopher

      thats beautiful..i would even be content without pettite and replacing him with a guy they can get for 7-8 million a year on a 1 or 2 year deal. there will be god pitchers left waitign around late in the offseasonsuch as penny and randy.

      if not gettting one of them, i would be happy with hughes if it meant adding another big gat

      • UWS

        “…another big gat…”

        You’re going to shoot the opposition? I like the way you think!

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

        if not gettting one of them, i would be happy with hughes if it meant adding another big gat

        Two words: Plaxico Burress.

        • UWS

          I bet he has good range in CF.

          • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

            He’s got good range at the LQ.

  • christopher

    this burnett rules is troubling to me…i am getting the distinct feeling that they yanks are going to be outplayed this year in free agency. I understand that they want to lower payrill, but couldnt they take a hit this season knowing that more payroll comes off the roster next season.

    Assuming they sign CC and one of the other 3 big names which i am beginning to srongly doubt they will, why isnt there room for Manny and Dunn (who is not a type A or B) on this team. The loss of Damon and Matsui next season – replacing them with Ajax and Gardner evens out the salry differential – and a player like manny comes along once every ten years ago – ARod and the old Manny are the only comparisons hitting wise.

    If they want to save money than leave the 5th spot open. Shuffle in Hughes, Kennedy, Aceves and Jobs – much the way the Sox worked Lester and Bucholz in 2 years ago.

    Not offering abreu arbitration was just plain being cheap and in no way was done with the best interest of the team on the field and not offering Pettite was just plain stupind considering he is probably the 5th best FA pitcher out there and wants a 1 or 2 year deal which is something that teams are dying for.

    Other than the CC offer, this team is showing it self to be cheap. Right now they have no starting pitching and no offense in the outfield. you will not win this division with the outfield as currently contructed. Now add to that the team is taking 5 giant steps backward in drafting the past 2 years (first not offering Cole enough of a signing bonus) and then giving up 4 picks becuase the are afraid of arbitration. This is not the yankees of george. MAybe they are not in line to make as much profit of as they thought, but with the TV deals, marketting, and what will be sold out attendance aside from a few luxury boxes they will make a hell of a lot more this year than last.

    making the playoffs would mean huge profits and right now this team is way behind both the sox and i cant believe it but the rays as well. The redsox have already shown themselves to be aggresive and have yet another young stud coming up as do the rays, The yanks are being beat by teams on all fronts and it seems that they are unwilling to flex their finacial muscle in a year when they need to both in free agency and in the draft.

    What happened to Hanks statement that they wanted 3 pitchers and that he was confident he could do it, I guess that was before Hal got a hold of the checkbook.

    sorry for venting guys, i just have very little confidence in this team and I had been looking forward to this free agent class because of the payroll coming off the books for along time and it is becoming mighty frustrating.

    As much as you all hate burnett – you will hate him more next year when he wins 18 fir the braves and we will be chatting up how dissapointing it was that we didnt offer the extra year

    • Ivan

      Stuff like this is not as easy as you will think.

      You talk about the the yanks being cheap, but how about just being smarter and tryin to add flexibility to the team. You just don’t give out big contracts just like that, there are plenty of aspects to evaluate.

      Plus, how they hell the sox are being agressive? Other than that Japanese guy, who have they really targeted to try to get on their team.

      I think you are overreacting man.

      • christopher

        i think the arbitration thing bothered me most because i started to buy into the youth movement. i am also the eternal pessemist fan who thinks they end up with CC and nothing else this offseason and that would be wasted money

    • jsbrendog

      go read the abreu arb thread. and we will all be indifferent to what burnett does in the nl west because it won’t matter and when, nto if, he goes on the dl for an extended period of time, possibly when it ocunts, we will all heave a collective sigh of relief. or he will get hammered by the marlins pirates and nationals and we will all laugh heartily

    • Evan

      Cole’s not signing had nothing to do with the Yankees offer. His dad is super rich and told him to go to college and not worry about money. College is great, if 4 million dollars doesn’t mean anything to you because you already have a trust fund with 50 million in it, college is a easy choice.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

        Yeah, that whole story about Cole’s family being super rich was a complete fabrication.

        • Reggie C.

          seriously?

          • gxpanos

            Seriously?!

            That’s unreal! How did that happen?

            And, now it feels a little worse that they didn’t sign him.

            • nmc

              Well I think the idea was that he (or his dad, I don’t remember) told the Yankees that he would sign. The Yankees made a good offer, I thought, but there was just nothing to be done b/c he was going to go to school and that was that. Bad luck and Gerritt Cole’s dad is a dick.

              • christopher

                so is cole…he bashed the yankees after the draft saying he would never want to play for that organization because they dont give young players a chance and if i rmember correctly – he didnt put it quite as diplomatically.

                bad scouting on the yankees spot. drafting highr risk/reward guys and going over slot is oneg but you need to knw whether you have a chance.

                perhaps cole and his father lied about their interest prior to the draft. not a bad strategy to improve your draft rating after your junior year with other teams knowing he was a first round pick out of hig school.

                hope the little shit is awefule in college and falls to the 20th round

                • Mike Pop

                  All I have to say is screw the Tigers.. We could have had Rick Porcello !

        • Ivan

          Don’t forget that Bleich needed TJ surgery. I think he has it today right?

          • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

            Twice. Both elbows, just to be sure.

        • Evan

          I thought his dad is a hedge fund manager? Just made up?

          • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

            He might be a hedge fund manager, but he’s not a millionaire, or as the article that started the whole thing claimed, billionaire.

            • radnom

              Heh. If thats true he is probably unemployed at the moment.

              But also probably not really caring.

  • gxpanos

    Good news, I hope they sign Burnett for 5 years, I don’t like the idea of Burnett on the Yanks.

    Another thing that I’ll post down here as opposed to way up top:

    I don’t want to get into flame wars on blog comment sections, and that’s why I really only post and read RAB, and not too many other Yankee blogs. So bear in mind that I’m just criticizing, and I’d love to keep this as tame and constructive as possible.

    steve (different one): You’re really quick about jumping down people’s throats. The first poster brought up valid, though certainly debatable, points. Lowe going back to the AL East and pitching with a not-great infield would make him just an innings eater with a 4-year deal. Furthermore, he’ll cost the Yanks a second-rounder (and in the worst-worst-worst case, a first rounder). Pettitte could be a one-year innings eater without costing ANY draft picks. The conclusion becomes, Cashman should not treat Andy like shit again. Offer the man 14 mil, and be willing to equal last year’s 16 mil. It makes sense, it really does, even at 16, if the alternative is 3 or 4 years of Lowe.

    Now I can certainly see why people might disagree with the OP. But your initial response was ridiculous, trying to undercut the whole point by pointing out one little thing he overlooked that doesn’t even really have any bearing on his overall point. Then, of course, there’s all kinds of “oh, you’re a 2nd grader, reading comprehension, yadda yadda” crap afterward on both sides, when there should have been just straight debate.

    RAB is the most even-keeled Yankee blog, hands-down, and we all love it. I would just ask you, Steve (different one), and anyone who does this, to think for an extra few minutes before insulting other posters for their opinions, especially if it’s only in regards to a small point like in this case.

    Your opinions are for the most part right, anyway; you’ve changed my opinion with annoyingly insulting responses to my posts once or twice. But not everyone will look through your presentation of your rebuttals to their substance. Your summary and belligerent responses are even starting to get to me.

    Sorry for the length of this.

    • steve (different one)

      you are right. it did seem like i jumped down his throat, but it was really carried over from previous threads.

      but……….that said. you are right.

      RAB is a good blog and i know i can get carried away. i will apologize for overreacting in this thread and try to chill (a little) more going forward.

      • steve (different one)

        i’m headed to a meeting for the rest of the afternoon so feel free to have at me.

      • Conan the Barack O’Brian

        I’m crying right now. That was friggin’ beautiful, people.

        Mo bless you.

        • gxpanos

          Ha. Indeed, may Mo bless us all.

          • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

            Mo it is written, Mo it shall be done. Mosanna, Mosanna, Mosanna in the highest.

  • christopher

    check out the nytimes article from last week which explains why cashman didnt go after Tazawa who profiles as a late first round college pitcher – yet another piece for the sox, but at least he didnt piss off the japanese league

    • Bo

      God knows he doesn’t want to piss off the Jap league teams. They have given us so much. Igawa is worth not going after talent

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

        *cough*HidekiMatsui*cough*
        *cough*YomiuriSponsorshipRevenueStream*cough*

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

    Awesome, at least now we don’t have to hear about how cheap Pedroia is.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=3741730

    • Ivan

      I been heard about that.

      Watch and see how a bunch of cock suckers are gonna say hey smart investment by the sox and the yanks did a terrible job giving Cano all that money or unlike Cano, Pedroia is not gonna get lazy cuz of the contract.

      • Reggie C.

        $40 ML for beardy grittiness + MVP caliber play … which Bostonian wouldn’t love that.

        • Rick in Boston

          Maybe he can now afford some Rogaine.

          • Mike Pop

            I feel shitty.. I didnt see this comment

        • christopher

          maybe its part of my red sox bias and the fact that jeter put up coparable numbers a few tiems and never won an MVP, but i think this guy is overated. its his guts and grit (aka a short guy) that makes everyone love him. He is in no way in the same class as hanley, wright, or braun.

          and as an aside, by the very defentition of the award there is no way you can be the most valuable player in baseball when one of your temates was third and your team didnt even win its division.

          If youkilis was valuable enough to place 3rd, certainly pedroia was not so valuable that the lack of his presence would have cost the team a playoff birth. An MVP is the best player in the league – so does that mean that a team with that pitching staff and 2 of the 3 best players in baseball (joke) only made it to the wildcard.

          this red sox bias in the media is out of control in the media – they are like the late 90s yankees except istead of being hated by everone, they are loved.

          Luke Pedroia skywalker and Hans Youklis Solo are good players but far from MVPs

      • Mike Pop

        im with ya.. Id still take Cano..

    • Eric

      No Rogaine stock options in the deal?

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

      From the article:

      “Generously listed at 5-foot-9, Pedroia has quickly piled up a huge stack of hardware… “

      Heh.

      Gunnery Sergeant Hartman: How tall are you, private?
      Private Cowboy: Sir, five-foot-nine, sir.
      Gunnery Sergeant Hartman: Five-foot-nine, I didn’t know they stacked shit that high!

    • Mike Pop

      He can buy alot of Rogaine with all that money

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

      The deal demonstrated how much the Red Sox value Pedroia’s production, energy and leadership at a middle-of-the-field position.
      That it got done this quickly shows how much Pedroia loves playing in Boston, and that he prefers playing to dickering over arbitration and free-agent dollars. His favorite phrase is “it’s all about winning.”

      And he means it.

      |—————|
      | [facepalm] |
      |—————|

      Peter Gammons covers Major League Baseball slobs the Red Sox knob for ESPN. Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.

      • Mike Pop

        Thats a pathetic article.. He should write how Papelbon has stated he has no problem driving the market up and how his phrase is its all about winning too

      • nmc

        I don’t know what “dickering” is but it sure sounds like something Pedroia would do..

      • christopher

        cant he just retire already – listening to him is like listening to morgan compare the yankees latest dysnasty to the reds.

        He already has a place in the hall of fame and his picture on the 20 dollar bill, what more can he want

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

          He already has a place in the hall of fame and his picture on the 20 dollar bill, what more can he want

          Heh, I laughed at that.

  • Jack
    • Ivan

      Hillarious.

  • Reggie C.

    On a more serious note …

    Anybody think that Towers is now forced to re-examine AL suitors? Pple keep saying Braves and Cubs, but these guys are making moves.

    1. Signing Vazquez and now pursuing Burnett with an offer that Burnett would be crazy to turn down (even if its only say $14M p/y)
    2. Cubs signing Dempster for $54 ML + not having anything resembling a farm.

    I can’t think these teams are now in the running. If Towers accepts reality, he should be calling Cash and Moreno.

    • Mike Pop

      Well Wren pretty much said those talks are over.. They will def be over if they sign Burnett or Lowe ya know.. Cubs are the tam I would put my money on right now.

      I think his most likely options would be
      Cubs
      Angels
      Dodgers
      Yankees..

      Now would he accept a trade to the A’s if they pushed for him ?

      • christopher

        could you really see them dealing him to a team in the same division let alone the same state. their fans have to watch him dominate them as they win 65 games. plus the dodgers will probaly be asked for more than other teams for the same reason. do the dodgers want to deal kershaw and have him comeback to haunt them.

        inter-division trades are difficult. remeber the last yankees redsox deal where the yanks gave up a guy who at the time was a top prospect, Tony Armas Jr. He later became the key to the pedro deal and arguably was the difference maker in the two deals.

  • Mike Pop

    http://www.nypost.com/seven/12.....141989.htm

    How in the world does George King know that CCs wife wants him to pitch for the Giants

    • Ivan

      That’s becuase George King had sex with CC wife.

      • Mike Pop

        Heh, laying in bed with her smoking a cigarette..
        “So where you want CC to sign Amber baby?”

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

      It’s as if this is the first offseason George King III has ever covered, and he had no idea that premier free agents could ever think of the strategy of waiting until the winter meetings (or beyond) to try and drum up more interest or increase a team’s offer.

  • A.D.

    Good for the Braves if they get Burnett… the beauty of the NL is you always get a slight boost bringing pitchers over.

    Burnett
    Vasquez
    Jurrjens
    Campillo
    Reyes.

    Not bad, and they still have Hanson in the minors & a hope Glavine & Smoltz can get healthy… if only Hudson hadn’t gone to TJ

  • DonnieBaseballHallofFame

    AJ at five years for us would be a bad move.

    Ben Sheets at two is worth the risk if we could work that out.

    To me all signs point to CC to the Yanks at a number around $145milli.

    Maybe Hank can get his dream pitcher in Moyer too (geeez i hope not)

    • christopher

      “Of course, when Ryan Dempster got four years for $52 million from the Cubs ($13 million a year), Pettitte had to believe he

      was worth $3 million a year more than Dempster”

      love you george – guess you didnt watch baseball last season

  • Bo

    If you want certainty you shouldn’t play the FA Starting Pitcher game.

  • mustang

    Why do I get the feeling that somehow the Yankees are going to end up with Jake Peavy?

    Someone quick send Towers IPK Puerto Rican league Stat along with his MiLB 2007 Award.