Dec
11

Yanks, Brewers hammering out deal for Cameron

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According to conflicting reports, the Yankees and Brewers have either agreed or are very close to agreeing on a trade that would send Melky Cabrera to the Brewers and Mike Cameron and his $10 million contract to the Yanks. Bill Hall may or may not be involved. More in a minute.

Update By Joe (10:32 a.m. EST): Dan Graziano says that the Yankees could include a pitching prospect, though it won’t be Ian Kennedy. The Haudricourt piece says that both teams are willing to explore Bill Hall, whom we do not like. The Brewers aren’t just going to give him away, though, and I don’t think he’s worth surrendering anything of value. If you want another utility guy, sign Nick Punto.

Joel Sherman says that the pitching prospect will depend on how much of Cameron’s $10 million salary Milwaukee is willing to absorb.

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  • Axl

    MLBTR says the deal isn’t finalized and the Yankees might want Bill Hall either WITH or INSTEAD of Mike Cameron?!?

    AWFUL.

    Cameron has a hefty contract…they aren’t eating ANY of the money since we’re giving them a perfectly capable MLB ready young cheap Centerfielder???

    Bill Hall SUCKS…I really hope the Yankees aren’t serious…what’s their deal?!?!?

    5 years for AJ Burnett!!! Then Bill Hall!!!! What’s going on!!!!!

    AHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

    • http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/individual_player_postseason.jsp?c_id=mlb&playerID=121250&statType=2 Slugger27

      its a 1 year deal… even if its for 10 million, a ONE year deal for 10 million is anything but “hefty”

      as for hall, i dont buy it… ill need further reports coming from someone not named haudricourt before i put any stock in it… if that part is true, however, lets hope it means theyre taking matsui off our hands

      • Axl

        A cheap young MLB ready CF who hit .247 last year for a 10 million dollar older .240 hitter.

        Yes Cameron is better in CF. Yes Cameron can hit more home runs. But is it worth 10 million dollars AND an MLB ready decent CF who had one really bad year in his youth???

        No. Yes he’s only 1 year until AJax comes up next year…but Matsui and Damon’s contracts are up next year too…and we don’t even know how well AJax will do when he comes up either…

        I just don’t think it’s necessary right now. DeJesus or somebody else perhaps?? Why not try for Aaron Rowand?

        • Nady Nation

          Aaron Rowand? You’re upset b/c we’re giving up on the cheap, young, perfectly capable MLB ready Melky Cabrera, yet you want mid 30′s Aaron Rowand and his fat contract that he’s locked into for another 4 years, as opposed to Cameron’s one? Makes perfect sense to me

          • jsbrendog

            if you’re pascual perez and smoking crack

          • Axl

            Didn’t know how much longer he had on his contract…couldn’t imagine it was still 4 years…if it is forget it.

            I hear all these clubs inquiring on Mark DeRosa…why don’t we?

            • TurnTwo

              because he’s Mark DeRosa.

              • Shamus

                lol

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          A cheap young MLB ready CF who hit .247 last year for a 10 million dollar older .240 hitter.

          2008:
          Melky Cabrera, batting average: .249
          Mike Cameron, batting average: .243

          Melky Cabrera, walks: 29
          Mike Cameron, walks: 54

          Melky Cabrera, XBH: 21
          Mike Cameron, XBH: 52

          Melky Cabrera, OBP: .301
          Mike Cameron, OBP: .331

          Melky Cabrera, SLG: .341
          Mike Cameron, SLG: .477

          Melky Cabrera, wRC: 38.2
          Mike Cameron, wRC: 71.5

          Melky Cabrera, wOBA: .285
          Mike Cameron, wOBA: .353

          ——————-

          Batting average is a stupid, stupid, stupid stat.

          • jsbrendog

            welcome to the party

          • Count Zero

            Thanks for saving me the trouble…that sums it up nicely.

          • Chris C.

            Of course, none of this gives mention to the fact that Brett Gardner will now not get a chance to show what he can do as an everyday player. And a guy with his speed could be very beneficial hitting at the top of the lineup. It would have been nice to see if he could progress into a real threat. But the Yankees lack patience.

            I mean, we all know Cameron is better than Cabrera, so it’s stupid to compare………………it’s a salary dump deal.

            • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              That’s a valid point, and that’s the only thing that kinda saddens me. But, we’d still probably be looking at an outfield arrangement of either:

              Damon-Cameron-Nady (Matsui DH)
              Nady-Cameron-Dunn (Damon DH)
              Manny-Cameron-Nady (Damon DH)

              In any of those events, Gardner would be the 4th OF, and with either Damon, Dunn, or Manny in the OF, he’d have plenty of opportunities to be a late-inning replacement (or pick up a spot-start when we give someone a rest).

              It’s not ideal (for Gardner), but it’s not the end of the world. I could still see him getting at least 200 PA’s, even with Cameron.

    • Brooklyn Ed

      Bill Hall is a poor man verison of Wilson Betemit.

      :(

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Sadly, he’s actually a RICH man’s version of Wilson Betemit.

    • Tim Q. Mills

      Hall would be used as a utility player and his contract only runs through 2010 with a club option for 2011.

      The guy did hit 35 HR a few years ago, offers multi-position versatility and hits lefties very well – .302 last year.

      It’s not THAT bad of an idea.

      He is God-awful vs righties though and should never face a righty for the rest of his career.

      • jsbrendog

        the yankees do have trouble with left handers. and unproven no name youngsters…seriously, wtf, that still pisses me off

      • A.D.

        Also hitting his prime… could be a reclamation project. Don’t like it, but I see what the silver lining could be

      • RollingWave

        so if Wilson Betemit (who can only hit rightes.. at least before 08) eat Bill Hall, we would get a good player.

    • Nady Nation

      “we’re giving them a perfectly capable MLB ready young cheap Centerfielder?”

      Are you referring to Melky Cabrera? How do you define “perfectly capable”?

      • jsbrendog

        he can run, catch, throw, swing

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          … hit into DP’s, hack at balls outside the zone, slide headfirst into first base, go a month and a half without an XBH, induce the infield fly rule…

          Yeah, he’s “perfectly capable” of lots of stuff.

          • jsbrendog

            this also made me laugh out loud literally

            • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              Who was it that always called Melky “Hacky McHeadfirstslide”?

              I know we’ve been harping on the juvenile habit of some of us giving players we don’t like petty, demeaning nicknames recently, but I always thought that one was pretty clever and funny.

          • Chris C.

            This is my favorite part:

            “Joel Sherman says that the pitching prospect will depend on how much of Cameron’s $10 million salary Milwaukee is willing to absorb.”

            LMAO!!!!!!!! The Yankees are throwing money around like it’s water, and all of a sudden they’re gonna toss out a prospect at a level dependent upon how much Yankee pocket change the Brewers pick up from Cameron’s deal?
            Does it really matter at this point?

            • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              Wait, that pisses you off?

              The deal originally was reported as Melky for Cameron straight up. Then it became Melky PLUS ONE for Cameron.

              If they want us to kick in a second player, they have to eat some salary. If they don’t want to eat salary, they only get Melky.

              How is that wrong?

      • A.D.

        He’s an excellent defender… he just can’t hit

        • Nady Nation

          I’d say that’s a somewhat important quality in an everyday “perfectly capable” CF – the ability to hit.

          • jsbrendog

            he didnt say everyday he just said perfectly capable lol. semantics i know

            • Nady Nation

              That’s true. I figured when he said “MLB ready” that implied that he’d be playing everyday. It still seems odd to me that a perfectly capable player is incapable of hitting.

              • jsbrendog

                hitting well. he can hit lol

              • http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/individual_player_postseason.jsp?c_id=mlb&playerID=121250&statType=2 Slugger27

                why do u drive on a parkway and park on a driveway??

                • Bryan

                  oh my guawd, im getting a little veclempt!

    • MasterShake

      There is no reason we don’t do Cabrera for Cameron straight up…Cameron has a 1 year contract as Slugger said…hardly hefty. Its not like (at least from what I’ve read so far) we’re giving up talented young guys here, theres very little risk in this trade. Melky had 3 years to prove himself and got progressively worse…his ceiling was never that high to begin with.

  • http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/individual_player_postseason.jsp?c_id=mlb&playerID=121250&statType=2 Slugger27

    conflicting reports on whether or not this is finalized…

    i think its an ok move, not great…. it really depends on how this affects their plans for other players… if the extra 10 million decreases their chances of signing dunn/tex/sheets/pettitte then i question it… if it in no way affects other FA signings, then i like it

    bottom line is, hes a significant upgrade offensively over melky with only a SLIGHT defensive downgrade… melky wasnt gonna make the league minimum anymore, so as only a 1 year commitment, i like it ok… although i certainly would expect ajax to be the guy in 2010

  • Tim Q. Mills

    This is a no-brainer. I love it.

    We get a quality CF who can hit 25 HR, albeit while striking out quite often, but he brings something more to the table and that’s team chemistry.

    ARod has been openly lobbying for Cameron for a few years and CC and Cameron became close friends in Milwaukee. You can’t put a price on that.

    With the addition of Swisher, who is supposedly a great clubhouse guy and now Cameron I think we are doing a great job of building team chemistry.

    • http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/individual_player_postseason.jsp?c_id=mlb&playerID=121250&statType=2 Slugger27

      “i think we are doing a great job of building team chemistry”

      i dont get it…? how do u know how the chemistry will be until these new players actually play with the current players? dont they have to play together first before u judge their chemistry with the rest of the team? from what i can gather, arod played 1 season with cameron and sabathia 3 months with him… and nobody on the team has played with swisher… how can u already be assuming those 2 players will get along great with everybody?

      • Tim Q. Mills

        It’s common knowledge that Cameron is close friends with ARod and CC.

        Bringing a close friend of our best pitcher and best hitter to the team for 1 year seems like a good idea to me.

        And I only hear positive reports regarding Swisher being a team-guy and a great clubhouse presence.

        Based on their history I would say these are good steps towards building team chemistry.

        • http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/individual_player_postseason.jsp?c_id=mlb&playerID=121250&statType=2 Slugger27

          i thought i heard something about swisher alienating his coaches in chicago… somethin about not wanting to bat leadoff or play CF or something… send me a link on the “team-guy clubhouse presence” thing if u have one

          i think cameron being friends with CC and arod is about as insignifcant as it comes, not to mention i dont think the yankees had or have a chemistry problem, but yes i suppose if the 3 are friends it doesnt hurt anything

          not being a jackass or anything just thought your original post was a little misleading and irrelevant, but hey, if they become the 3 musketeers im not gonna complain

          • jsbrendog

            he didn’t kill squirrels with his speed and bunt enough for ozzzie

            • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              Yeah. His “coaches” in Chicago were batshit crazy. Having tension with Ozzie Guillen is probably a good thing, all things considered.

          • Tim Q. Mills

            It’s no secret CC was hesitant to come to NY. Having a friend he is already comfortable with that he can immediately assimilate to NY with is a good thing.

            PS Can you really blame ANY player for having a confrontation with Ozzie Guillen? I can’t.

          • Tim Q. Mills

            ps I can send you links to other blogs where fans of his previous teams say he is a great clubhouse guy but thats it. I just read it on other blogs. I dont have links from some reporter of thats what you are looking for.

            And not to be a dick or nitpick but I did say “supposedly” a great clubhouse guy.

        • Chris C.

          “It’s common knowledge that Cameron is close friends with ARod and CC.

          Bringing a close friend of our best pitcher and best hitter to the team for 1 year seems like a good idea to me.”

          Nobody is “close frends” with AROD.
          He’s too weird to have those kinds of friendships.

          And I can almost guarentee that this deal was in place BEFORE Sabathia signed, as a way to further entice him to come to the YAnkees.

          The way Cashman does business is embarassing. HE shows up at these meetings looking like the like the HS kid who’s dad bought him a Mercedes to drive to school.

          • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            Nobody is “close frends” with AROD.
            He’s too weird to have those kinds of friendships.

            Alex Rodriguez = Patrick Bateman

      • jsbrendog

        they are all bonded in their love of ice cream.

        • radnom

          Too bad Giradi banned it.

  • DonnieBaseballHallofFame aka they guy who has well documented history of belligerent thickheadedness and anti-intellectual character assassinations

    Great so we get another old PED guy making at least 10 million. We get rid of one of our cheap young players. I am not the biggest Melky fan in the world but this is another one of those DUMB MONEY moves.

    Thumbs down for this one. I would rather sign Jimmy Edmonds for a half million dollar deal and keep Melky and let them and Gardner duke it out for time in spring training.

    • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

      “I would rather sign Jimmy Edmonds for a half million dollar deal and keep Melky and let them and Gardner duke it out for time in spring training.”

      (Just to preface, I honestly haven’t decided how I feel about this possible Cameron deal, this comment is not an endorsement of that deal.)

      I don’t agree with those who think Jim Edmonds is a good option for the Yankees. Jim Edmonds used to be great, but he’s really not a very good baseball player anymore. He was ok in Chicago in 2008 (although not much better than Cameron, if better at all), but you can’t discount his extremely poor start to 2008 in San Diego or his poor season in St. Louis in 2007 (or his relatively poor season in 2006). And 2009 will be his age 39 season.

      And DBHOF – The part about signing Edmonds for $500,000 is just wrong.

      • DonnieBaseballHallofFame aka they guy who has well documented history of belligerent thickheadedness and anti-intellectual character assassinations

        My point was we do not need another big salary old guy. I do not care if we sign Edmonds or not. I am not saying Jimmy Edmonds will be better than Cam in 09. I am saying let us save that money and spend it more wisely.

        There is not a lot of wise actions going on if we keep bidding against ourselves for players.

        Call Kenny Lofton or somebody else who will take a mill or less. I would rather focus on getting Sheets, Manny, Pettitte and a BENCH (that for some reason Cashman does not belive in having)

        • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

          “My point was we do not need another big salary old guy. I do not care if we sign Edmonds or not. I am not saying Jimmy Edmonds will be better than Cam in 09. I am saying let us save that money and spend it more wisely.”

          That point is fine, but I can only react to the words you offer – words that said, above, that you “would rather sign Jimmy Edmonds for a half million dollar deal” than trade Melky for Cameron. I don’t mean this to be antagonistic, but you can’t really chide someone for not getting your point when they (or me, in this instance) react to words that have a pretty plain and straightforward meaning.

    • jsbrendog

      seriously, do you think before you say these things??

      Damon in center is >>>>>>>> edmonds and damon can’t play every day there

      Cameron >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>edmonds.

      this deserves a face palm.

      • DonnieBaseballHallofFame aka they guy who has well documented history of belligerent thickheadedness and anti-intellectual character assassinations

        My point was not really about Edmonds. My point was about the move of getting Cam being a poor one and yet another throw money at people move.

        I think if you seriously thought before you types you might have been able to get the jist of that one.

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          I think if you seriously thought before you types you might have been able to get the jist of that one.

          I laughed out loud at this.

    • A.D.

      While stimulants are technically PEDs it somewhat different that he was taken greenies instead of steroids.

      Cameron > Edmonds, and at this point Damon might be a better CF then Edmonds

      • http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/individual_player_postseason.jsp?c_id=mlb&playerID=121250&statType=2 Slugger27

        “and at this point damon might be a better CF than edmonds”

        http://www.billjamesonline.net.....2-0608.gif

        for the past 3 seasons, edmonds has the 2nd worst range of any CF in baseball… ath this point damon is MUCH better than edmonds in CF i would think, at least range-wise… clearly jimmy has the better arm

        at any rate, hell no to edmonds

      • DonnieBaseballHallofFame aka they guy who has well documented history of belligerent thickheadedness and anti-intellectual character assassinations

        Illegal drugs being taken to make you play better is what PED’s are. I understand the term. I also think that if you look at Cam you might have to question the roids issues with him since he also has no problem doing greenies.

        I would rather do Melky, Gardner, some old guy in spring training and see who looks best out there. Give them a shot. I know people think that CF has to be a star because the splendid splinter and Mickey once roamed out there, but I would prefer the best team we could put together and that ten million could be spent toward Manny, Sheets, Pettitte and a got damn bench.

        • Rick in Boston

          Including Cameron does make this team better. Would you rather have someone hitting .250 with 10 home runs and getting on base 30% of the time, or would you rather have .250 with 20 home runs and getting on base 34% of the time?

          • Mike Pop

            Get Don Mattingly, he played some CF in his day right ? He will play it with heart, that is all that matters

            • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              Don Mattingly would have been an outstanding centerfielder. I make this claim because I saw him play. No amount of statistical evidence you can produce can possibly convince me otherwise, Mike Pop, you little nerd-boy you.

              • Chuck

                joking aside I think he is right. There has to be some internal solution just as good as mike cameron. Plus didnt someone throw some stat out there about how mike cameron isnt clutch or whatever. My guess is brett gardner will suffice next year… hopefully.

                • Mike Pop

                  Gardner= walk off king

          • Chris C.

            Including Cameron does make this team better. Would you rather have someone hitting .250 with 10 home runs and getting on base 30% of the time, or would you rather have .250 with 20 home runs and getting on base 34% of the time?

            For 10 million bucks, I’d laugh at both players.

        • Rick in Boston

          And, yes an amphetimine is a banned substance, but do we know exactly what he took? You’re making some pretty big judgements on someone without knowing exactly what he took. Did you know that if your doctor doesn’t get your prescription to the league office in time, your ADD medication or your anti-depresants are considering PED’s?

          • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            We’re also assuming in all of this that Jim Edmonds never took any PED’s.

            HUGE ASSUMPTION.

            Mike Cameron got caught. The fact that Jim Edmonds never tested positive for anything (that we know about) does not mean he never DID anything. The Angels and Cardinals clubhouses aren’t exactly monasteries…

  • Tripp

    Yes to Cameron
    No to Hall

    Didn’t Hall sign some ridiculous contract a few years ago?

    At least Cameron is signed for only a year.

  • Will

    And apparently back in it for Tex:

    http://www.fannation.com/si_bl.....weepstakes

    • TurnTwo

      i’m battling with myself over this.

      everything i read and see otherwise says that the Yankees are NOT in Teixeira’s market, but Heyman refuses to give up this storyline.

      is this just more incompitence from Heyman?

      or maybe the Yankees dump getting a 3rd FA pitcher and use the money to sign Teixeira, and maybe turn around and trade Nady and pitching elsewhere for another arm for the 5th spot in the rotation?

      or maybe the Yanks are just trying to drive up the price on Teixeira for Boston?

      • http://www.freewebs.com/ps3tf2/ Double-J

        I’d hope they are sincere, Sabathia and Teixiera could be the cornerstones of this team for the long-term future…when these guys become available, you have to go after them.

        I’m still wondering how Boston is going to unload Lowell. Didn’t I also ready that Teixiera is not a fan of the Red Sox since they snubbed him earlier in his career or something (of course, that falls into the same vein as “Sabathia doesn’t like New York, so…).

        • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

          “Didn’t I also ready that Teixiera is not a fan of the Red Sox since they snubbed him earlier in his career or something (of course, that falls into the same vein as “Sabathia doesn’t like New York, so…).”

          Pretty sure that’s a non-issue and really shouldn’t be part of the conversation re Tex. It was a long time ago, a different cast of characters in the Boston FO, and I think Tex himself has basically said it’s a non-issue.

          • jsbrendog

            but he realized that its the same as the cc doesnt want to play in ny cause ti es the sux0r so i forgive him

          • A.D.

            Carl Everett never let it go

            • jsbrendog

              milton bradley is the second coming of everett haha

              • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                Milton Bradley doesn’t believe in dinosaurs?

                • jsbrendog

                  this made me chuckle. i forgot about aht

  • Steve S

    I don’t like this at all. Especially with the idea of extending him to 2010?? Really??? And I dont see how they can add another bat through free agency, unless they figure out a way to trade Nady, Damon and Mastui. And to be honest unless they get another first baseman, Nady is the only one that can really play right field. I dont see what the rush is. Let the Dunn, Manny and Tex market develop and if you can get any one of them, then you can afford to gamble on gardner or melky play center, so long as they can play defense. Please no extension to 2010.

    • Reggie C.

      Yanks will figure out something.

    • A.D.

      Swisher can play RF

      • Steve S

        And thats why I said unless they sign another first baseman.

        • A.D.

          Yeah i missed that… JC or Gardner could play left if necessary.

          But getting Cameron probably doesn’t change the Yanks getting or not getting Tex

          • Steve S

            I hope it doesnt play a role in Tex. And if by JC you mean Justin Christian, he cant be an everyday player on this team, especially in a corner outfield position.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/ps3tf2/ Double-J

    Boo, I’m not really in favor of this, Cameron is kind of meh in my book, and I do like Melky, I was hoping he’d get a shot at turning it around this year. Please go after Tex though…I’m hoping that we’ll do a reverse of the Beltran scenario where instead of declining the last call for Tex, we’ll just up the money and get him, and leave the legwork to the other teams. :-P

    • http://www.freewebs.com/ps3tf2/ Double-J

      Addendum: Tex or Manny/Dunn, although while I’m pushing very hard for Manny, I’d say we need Tex long-term more.

      • Axl

        The idea of having Tex, Arod, and a re-signed Jeter all in their early 40′s at the same time…doesn’t really make me feel good about the future if that happens…where would they all play??

        • http://www.freewebs.com/ps3tf2/ Double-J

          We have a lot of outfield spots opening up after 2009…:-P

        • http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/individual_player_postseason.jsp?c_id=mlb&playerID=121250&statType=2 Slugger27

          tex would have to sign a 12-13 year deal to be signed into his early 40s… and its absolutely ridiculous to judge tex by his “early 40s” production when u talk about “the future” … he will be in his prime the next 6 seasons

        • radnom

          In what crazy parrellel universe is Tex, Arod, and Jeter all going to be in their early 40′s at the same time?

          Are Arod and Jeter going to go on a 5 year trip, traveling at nearly the speed of light, to Tex can catch up?

          • http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/individual_player_postseason.jsp?c_id=mlb&playerID=121250&statType=2 Slugger27

            dude, hes the captain… he dates supermodels, wins WS rings, hits 300, and has the ability to go back in time and make himself 6 years younger so that he enters his early 40s the same time as tex… whats the confusion about?

            • jsbrendog

              duh

          • Axl

            I’m sorry…2 40 year olds and a 37 year old…

            Phewww…now that I think about that instead…I can sleep peacefully….

  • TurnTwo

    Cameron > Melky.

    thats really all that has to be said about the deal. its an upgrade, and provides insurance if Gardner turns out to be a total hack.

    now, Cameron can player everyday, and Gardner can be the 4th OF, pinch runner/hitter off the bench, get some playing time to give guys days off.

    and if Gardner plays his way into the everyday lineup, thats a bonus and a pleasant surprise.

  • Tim Q. Mills

    There is no way we are serious about Tex.

  • Will

    The scary thing is that they really could sign all of Sabathia, Burnett, Sheets/Pettite, and Texiera and wouldn’t have a higher payroll then last year, maybe just by a couple million or so. Obviously the Cameron trade could/would change that but still

  • Mister Delaware

    Its a great move. In Giambi and Abreu, we lost the 3rd and 4th ranked hitters last year in P/PA. In Swisher (1st) and now Cameron (7th), we’ve essentially replaced their patience at less than 1/2 the cost. Granted, there’s an overall step down in production if you just take those four, but the overall lineup (Matsui, Posada, Swisher, Cameron in – Giambi, Abreu, Melky/Gardner, Molina out) is improved. Now lets get A.J. and go home happy.

    • Axl

      Yeah but who’s to say everybody stays healthy? Matsui went from Iron Man to Glass Man…Posada was never injured before really so who knows…Wang same thing…haven’t heard much about Wang which scares me also…

      And Abreu’s bat along with Giambi’s bat (hitting wise…not resting on the shoulder) are far superio to Swisher’s and Cameron’s.

      OBP is nice…but it’s even better when the players hit well too…

      • Mister Delaware

        “And Abreu’s bat along with Giambi’s bat (hitting wise…not resting on the shoulder) are far superio to Swisher’s and Cameron’s.”

        Sure, if you forecast worst case scenario for everything (probably include a Punto for Jeter swap as well), things look bad. Even if only one of Matsui and Posada return to good health and you add in a replacement level player, we’re still probably better than last year where 8/9 was an absolute drain on the lineup.

      • http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/individual_player_postseason.jsp?c_id=mlb&playerID=121250&statType=2 Slugger27

        factoring in defense, one could argue that swisher/cameron is better than abreu/giambi…. abreu/giambi were 2 of the worst defensive players at their positions, so u gotta factor in that siwsh/cameron are both big defensive upgrades…. when u factor in their salaries, i think swish/cameron is better easily

  • Manny Ramirez

    This better not kill my chances of being in pinstripes.. I want Boston’s ass 18 times this year! Ariba!!

    • jsbrendog

      id wager the opver under on the number of those games his “kneee hurts” is 4.

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        I’d take that action. If we signed Manny, he could get hit by a bus the day before the game and he would drag his black-and-blue ass to the stadium just for the opportunity to play, and beat, the Sox. Nine innings, full tilt, on a Michael Jordan level of assassin.

        Manny’s desire for revengance would push him to a new level of intensity not seen before.

    • http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/individual_player_postseason.jsp?c_id=mlb&playerID=121250&statType=2 Slugger27

      will u run out your ground balls against them? u should rub it in their face that you are hustling and actually living out a contract you signed, but for a different team!!!!

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        u should rub it in their face that you are hustling and actually living out a contract you signed, but for a different team!!!!

        Exhibit A: The 2008 stretch run with the Dodgers.

        • jsbrendog

          exhibit b: the 2009 WS run of the yankees?

          (i in no way am for signing manny mind you)

  • Axl

    Joel Sherman is reporting that another pitcher is to be added WITH Melky for 10 million dollar Mike Cameron…

    In other news I heard Ian Kennedy was going to be traded for Royce Clayton…

    • jsbrendog

      haha that’s like the antithesis of ipk and melky for pujols. ipk for royce clayton haha

    • Tim Q. Mills

      If they are asking for a pitcher then they are going to eat some of the salary.

      I guess we have to wait and see how much they eat and what pitcher we send before we can say it’s a bad idea.

  • E-ROC

    One year stopgap in Mike Cameron sounds good to me. I don’t know why the Yanks are trying to get Bill Hall but I wouldn’t be mad about that even though he is not that good. However, Hall does add more versatility to the bench as he can play many different positions; though that doesn’t mean he can defend at those positions.

  • Tim Q. Mills

    God I wish this blog was on SB Nation – it’s so much easier to keep track of the new comments on that type of blog.

  • ko

    I commend Cashman on this one. Cabrera, Gardner and Damon are not answers. This probably allows the Yankees to go a bit more slowly with AJax, bringing him up when he’s ready. I like Rowand but I don’t think the Giants are looking to unload people. DeJesus would have been an upgrade, but the Yankees would have probably had to pay a premium for him – not worth it for a stopgap type of player. Cameron is a perfect addition for a year or two – he’s much better than what they had in center field.

    • Reggie C.

      Austin Jackson will benefit from the addition of Cameron. Cameron has always been called a great club house guy, so when the Yanks call up Jackson for a cup of tea in ’09, I would hope that Cameron teaches Jackson a thing or two.

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Co-sign everything both of you said.

        (well, except for liking Rowand, but whatever.)

  • JohnC

    LOL!!!!!!!! Also in Sherman’s article it says execs from other teams are now complaining to the Commishioner’s office about the yanks spending in such an economy. Boy, they loved to make fun of the Yanks when they didn’t spend last year , but as soon as they soend some money they start whining again. Too bad little crybabies!

    • RustyJohn

      If they don’t like the Yankees spending, they can refuse to take the luxury tax revenue.

      • Matthew

        Haha, I love it, so true. Half the owners pocket the lux tax anyways…

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        “If they don’t like the Yankees spending, they can refuse to take the luxury tax revenue go back to Russia.”

  • RustyJohn

    I don’t know how anyone can say a Cameron for Melky trade is bad for the Yankees- you get a center fielder that can cover some ground, field, and hit 25 homeruns in exchange for a guy that was one of the worst, if not the worst, offensive center fielders last year.

    Yes, getting fid of a .641 OPS in exchange for an .808 OPS is horrible. Curse you and your 25 homers, Cameron!

    • jsbrendog

      hr is a stat. stats are stupid. only geeks like stats. therefore cameron sucks. NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • Mike Pop

        STATS DONT FCKN MATTER!!!! WATCH THE GAMES AND GET A FEEL FOR THE PLAYER!!!

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Melky’s scrappy, I saw it with my own eyes.

        • jsbrendog

          but he can’t even grow a beard!!!

          • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            I SAW IT WITH MY OWN EYES!!!!

  • Will

    Stark says the Yanks could still be in on Lowe even with Burnett. This is starting to sound like that Onion article where the Yanks sign all of MLB

    http://sports.espn.go.com/espn.....=blogEntry

    • Axl

      5 years of Burnett is horrible.

      Could be AJ Pavano all over again…

      And for the price of Carlos Zambrano???

      So far this off season isn’t looking the best…long term wise…

    • http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/individual_player_postseason.jsp?c_id=mlb&playerID=121250&statType=2 Slugger27

      just due diligence… they wont sign both… this means nothing

      i cant imagine cashman ((knowing all the pitching prospects he has coming up thru the system)) will voluntarily lock up 3 rotation spots for the next 4 year+ years… i wouldnt look into this much at all

  • Adam B.

    UZR using BIS data (can see the numbers at Fangraphs.com) rated Cameron as the third best defensive CF on a rate basis. The Fans Scouting Report rated him highly as well. And we’re improving the offense also. As long as the pitching prospect given up makes sense given the money kicked in, this is a good deal.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      2008 UZR/150 (in centerfield):

      Brett Gardner: 33.7
      Mike Cameron: 13.3
      Melky Cabrera: -0.8
      Jim Edmonds: -17.6
      Johnny Damon: -27.3

      Oh, and FWIW:

      2008 UZR/150 (in leftfield):
      Johnny Damon: 16.3
      Manny Ramirez: -6.7
      Hideki Matsui: -11.8

      • http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/individual_player_postseason.jsp?c_id=mlb&playerID=121250&statType=2 Slugger27

        surprised melky cabrera was a negative number, and double surprised damon was that high in left… figured he would be league average… good info there

  • Matthew

    While I like Cam, and he’s def an upgrade to the Melk man, I would have loved to seen him develop into and everyday CF.

    • jsbrendog

      i would have to, but i am willing to bet that will not and would have never happened

      • jsbrendog

        *too

      • UWS

        To be fair, Melk IS an everyday CFer. Just not a good one.

        • jsbrendog

          touche

    • http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/individual_player_postseason.jsp?c_id=mlb&playerID=121250&statType=2 Slugger27

      he did develop into an everyday CF, but then he quickly regressed to a 4th OF or late-inning defensive replacement… we gave him a huge chunk of 06, all 0f 07, and 3/4 of 08 to prove hes an everyday CF, and he didnt do it…. the guy had his chances

      • Mike Pop

        Melky’s got nice style though.. Dude is fresh

  • Axl

    How will this effect Robinson Cano? These guys were good buddies…

    I’m sure it has to have at least SOME effect on him…

    • Mike Pop

      Cano can be good friends with CC, they seem to have similar personalities

    • Matthew

      Come on, they are big boys, they’ll get over it.

    • http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/individual_player_postseason.jsp?c_id=mlb&playerID=121250&statType=2 Slugger27

      if trading melky cabrera means cano is in prolonged slumps or if it affects his performance negatively in anyway, then thats just sad, and borderline gay… not that theres anything wrong with that

      • jsbrendog

        they will pen eachother love notes from across the country hahaha

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        if trading melky cabrera means cano is in prolonged slumps or if it affects his performance negatively in anyway, then thats just sad, and borderline gay…

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0TEa-Aa4sU

  • Mike Pop

    Could be better to unload Melky now before he starts making more money and is less attractive because of this

  • A.D.

    I’d prefer to take on the full 10M… and not offer a pitching prospect

    • steve (different one)

      depends. if the Yankees have a hard payroll cap, and getting Milwaukee to eat salary allows them to do something else, it may not be a bad idea.

      keep in mind the Yankees NEED roster spots. “selling” a prospect in exchange for the roster spot might not be the worst idea.

      • A.D.

        Thats true… we’re probably talking Wright or Hacker… whom I like, but aren’t exactly the future…or a reliever, and its not going to Melancon, so no real bigge

  • steve (different one)

    i don’t get why people are freaking out about all sorts of stuff that hasn’t happened yet.

    Melky for Cameron straight up is a heist.

    if the Yankees trade a B prospect to get Milwaukee to eat salary, even better.

    i can’t see them getting Hall, so why freak out?

    • Nady Nation

      Whoa whoa whoa, what’s with the common sense and logical thinking? You’re ruining all the fun! WHY ARE WE GETTING BILL HALL HE SUX GET MANNY AND TEX!111!

      • Mike Pop

        GETTING TEX AND MANNY MEANS WE DONT HAVE TO GIVE UP PROSPECTS !!! WHY THE FCUK ARE WE LOOKING AT BILL FCKN HALL!!

    • http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/individual_player_postseason.jsp?c_id=mlb&playerID=121250&statType=2 Slugger27

      because were pissed off the yankees didnt offer arb to pudge and abreu and were gonna take our anger out on every freakin move the yanks make for the rest of the offseason

      one article speculates on the yankees being mildly interested in the idea of taking bill hall… why the hell arent you freaking out?!?!

      • Matthew

        why the fuck would you offer arb to pudge?

        • http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/individual_player_postseason.jsp?c_id=mlb&playerID=121250&statType=2 Slugger27

          i wouldnt, hence my obvious ((at least i thought)) sarcasm

    • UWS

      WHY THE FUCK IS MY BURRITO TAKING SO LONG TO COOK IN THIS MICROWAVE?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

      Need I say more?

      • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

        Burritos are so December 9th. Tacos are the new burritos.

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          It’s my meme. It shall remain a burrito.

          • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

            That was pretty presumptuous of me. Duly noted.

          • Bobtaco

            Word.

  • Mike Pop

    Just for fun, Melky and Cano are in this video

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PumCTyofJbI

    • Matthew

      1:10 into the vid, haha.

  • Nady Nation

    why are we trading melky for this old dude we should save him to trade for peavy i like peavy

    • jsbrendog

      yeah. and pujols

      • http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/individual_player_postseason.jsp?c_id=mlb&playerID=121250&statType=2 Slugger27

        its peavEy

  • jsbrendog

    sign burnett to a contract sliiiightly over atlanta’s then trade him to atlanta for prospects. and eat some salary haha

    • Mike Pop

      We can get Schafer !!

    • kimonizer

      or draft picks to make all the people upset about the arbitration situation happy :)

      • jsbrendog

        can’t trade draft picks in baseball

        • kimonizer

          making it just about as possible as your scenario but thanks for the info

  • http://www.myspace.com/earlweaverplaque Tim Q. Mills

    Abraham on Ben Sheets:

    “the Yankees have what seem to be legitimate concerns about his health.”

    That blows. I really wanted a healthy sheets to at least start the season.

    It seems odd that he declined arbitration if he doesn’t think he is healthy and his medical records prove otherwise.

    • jsbrendog

      good pooint. maybe he measn his long term durability over a shortt term contract. if youre only signing the guy to 2 yrs then a serious injury elimintes the whole contract and you’re paying him to sit in your sauna in tampa coughcoughpavanocoughcough

    • gxpanos

      Aaaaawww maaaan. I was afraid of this after there was no movement after the initial rumors. That sucks, I would’ve loved for the Yanks to have a healthy Sheets, or even 20 starts from Sheets.

      I hope this isn’t what’s making Cashman go all nuts over AJ with the 5/80 and whatnot. At this point, with Sheets out of the picture, I pull the Burnett offer QUICK, make one offer to Lowe with no room for negotiation, a take it or leave it thing, and go after Tex, matching the Nats, even.

      And if Lowe leaves it, sign Pettitte.

  • Old Ranger

    Cameron and Hall to the Yanks? I hate this one a lot. 27/09.

  • Axl

    What happened with signing cheap defensive whiz Nick Punto?? Bill Hall is a mess….