Baltimore booing Tex for all the wrong reasons

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Over the last two days, the generally friendly Orioles fans have rained boos upon their native son. Mark Teixeira, current Yankee but a Marylander by birth, hasn’t received a very warm welcome in Charm City, and I have to wonder if perhaps the Orioles fans aren’t quite as knowledgeable about the game as I once thought them to be.

This story stretches back to this off-season. Orioles fans pretty much assumed Mark Teixeira would be theirs. Baltimore needed a big star to slot into the middle of their lineup. With an organization stocked with pitching, a stud catcher on the way and some solid pieces in place, Mark Teixeira could have drawn crowds like no Oriole had since the days of Cal, and he would have provided some veteran leadership and offensive pop for the team.

So the Orioles reportedly made a seven-year, $150-million offer to Teixeira. When the dust settled, he signed with the Yanks for one more year and a not-insignificant $30 million more. He also had higher offers on the table from at least the Red Sox and possibly the Nationals and Angels as well.

For his part, Teixeira says the boos don’t bother him. He, after all, as an Oriole fan was booed as a kid in Baltimore for wearing a Don Mattingly jersey to Yankee-Orioles games. I expect to get booed in every single visiting stadium,” Teixeira said. “The Yankees, you love ‘em or you hate ‘em. In Baltimore, you definitely don’t love ‘em.”

But that’s besides the point. The Orioles’ fans are just misdirecting their jeers. Who among them would have eschewed that extra $30 million? Who among them would have turned down another year? Who among them would have objectively picked the Orioles — with no .500 seasons since 1997 — as a winner over the Yankees?

If anything, Baltimoreans should be booing Peter Angelos. He could have had Teixeira for a few dollars more, and Teixeira — a perfect fit anywhere — would have been ideal for a franchise struggling to compete in the AL East while facing declining attendance numbers. So boo Teixeira, Baltimore. He’ll be hearing all over for years to come this year, but good luck with that whole winning thing as long as your team’s current ownership is in place.

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  • JobaWockeeZ

    If he’s getting extremely booed here I wonder how it’d be like in Boston.

  • radnom
    • radnom

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related

      What is it about Texiera that inspires people to record songs about him? I’m looking forward to a Yankee version.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Here’s the Yankee version:

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbM9EP2G0LM

        • http://www.freewebs.com/ps3tf2/ Double-J

          Oh noes! Embedding disabled.

          Alas, more people trying to stop me from using my Greasemonkey. :(

          • Let’s Talk About TEX Baby

            It’s strange because for some reason fans and the media always assume players have some burning desire to play in their hometowns but I can’t think of a single example of it ever happening, especially not if it would involve taking a lesser contract. We’ve heard how Carl Pavano longed to play in Boston (I wish), C.C. had to play in California, Tex in Baltimore, etc. etc. It never happens. Players want to make the most money and win, in that order, and that’s always how they make their decisions.

            • Sweet Dick Willie

              Um, Joe Mauer?

              • rbizzler

                You can’t choose who drafts you, so that may not be the most relevant example.

                Let’s see if he signs a big extension in Minny or ends up on the open market.

              • Steve in MN

                We’ll see what happens with Mauer when he hits the market in a couple years. Both NY and Boston will be looking to replace great catchers.

  • 86 Mets

    Completely agreed…I think the fans are frustrated with poor ownership and taking it out on tex. In the end though, I dont think he’s going to be that big of a miss for them. If they have that money to spend, it can probably be spent better to lock up guys like adam jones and matt weiters when it’s needed.

    • A.D.

      Yeah Tex would have been nice for them, but his prime years would have been during their developing years, then as they were ready to win, he’d be in decline. They’re probably best smartly spreading that money to their own players, and some bargain FA, such as an Abreu type to DH.

      • steve (different one)

        i don’t know, Teixeira is only 29 and i think the Orioles are only about 2 years from being a major pain in the ass.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          Agreed.

          At the start of the offseason, I predicted Tex would go there because they need him badly, he fits that team wonderfully, and Angelos would love to win a bidding war with the Yankees to prove that his young team on the rise was back to their mid-90’s relevance.

          I’m still pretty shocked Angelos didn’t pony up the extra 30M. The old Peter Angelos would have…

        • A.D.

          True, sometimes I think that Tex is older than his is, but at 29 he would make a lot of sense.

  • KarateHats

    I was at the B’more game last night and the stadium was about half full. Entire sections of upper reserved seats were empty. The more vocal Os fans sitting around me didn’t make a peep when Tex came up. I’m not a conspiracy theorist but it sure sounded like those boos were being piped in through the PA system.

  • Cam

    My wife is an Orioles fan from Maryland and she just can not get this ‘he should’ve played for his home town team no matter what’ thought out of her head. It always comes back to ‘you would feel the same way if he was from NY and played for Boston’ to which I said ‘Manny is from NY, grew up a Yankee fan, and became a hall of famer in Boston. No problems here other than the fact that he killed NY pitching.’

    But Tex looked like a man on a mission walking up to his last AB last night. He just had that look in his eye like ‘enough is enough. It is time I shut all of you up right now’.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      If Tex grew up in Baltimore but was NEVER a Baltimore fan, though, is Baltimore really his “hometown” team?

      I’d argue he has no hometown team. He grew up rooting for his hometown team’s archenemy. During the period of time where his hometown team was pretty good and their archenemy was kinda crappy, no less.

      His hometown team is effectively the Yankees, Severna Park, MD notwithstanding.

      • mk

        “Oh yeah. My favorite team was always the Orioles. I’ve always said that,” he said. “But when the Yankees were in town, I’d wear a Mattingly T-shirt and a Yankees hat and root for him.”

        http://tinyurl.com/d7ttjo

        He’s a professional, no more, no less. He even said that it was a business decision.

        I’m not knocking the guy at all but lets not make him out to be some die hard yankee fan

        • radnom


          I’d argue he has no hometown team.

          How did you read that and interpret “die hard Yankee fan”?

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          Eh, I don’t know.

          I’m a Knicks fan, through and through. I liked Michael Jordan (for understandable reasons, he was the balls).

          I never wore a Jordan Bulls jersey to the Garden. Hell, I never ever owned a Jordan jersey ever, even though I liked him, explicitly because he was a Bull and not a Knick.

          So, I question how much the Orioles are really his “favorite team” if he’s wearing Mattingly gear to Oriole Park at Camden Yards. Color me skeptical.

          • Johnny

            you just said you like balls.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

          • Chris C.

            “So, I question how much the Orioles are really his “favorite team” if he’s wearing Mattingly gear to Oriole Park at Camden Yards. Color me skeptical.”

            The guy says the Orioles were his favorite team growing up, but you think he may be lying?
            What in the world does he have to gain by fibbing about who his favorite team was? Especially since he joined a different team.

            You’re busting Mark Teixeira’s balls in a baseball chat room?

      • Chris C.

        He liked Mattingly growing up.

        That doesn’t automatically make him a Yankee fan.
        One of my favorite players used to be George Brett. I wasn’t a Royals fan though. Just like the way Brett played the game.

  • Wade

    If Teixiera signed with the Nationals or Orioles, he would basically have been sending a message that living close to his home town is more important to him than winning.

    What super star is going to sign with either of those teams when they have an opportnity to sign for more money with the Yanks or Red Sox , and know they will be in contention for a world series every year? The top payers in the game don’t get to be that good by putting the place they sleep for the three months a year ahead of winning.

  • http://theyankeeblog.com Shamik

    Who on the Yankees doesn’t get boo’ed. It was a no brainer decision for Tex. He got the most money and is playing on a better team.

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

    Only one good reason to boo somebody:

    Coming to a drug addict support group for being addicted to marijuana.

    You ever suck d$%# for weed? No. I didn’t think so.

    • jon

      BOO THIS MAN!!!

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Thanks for getting it.

  • Sweet Dick Willie

    If they had the money for Tex, they should have bid on CC.

    They don’t have a horrible offensive team, but their pitching is putrid. Had they signed Tex, they would have been more like the Rangers than…the Rangers!

    Unfortunately, one stud like CC wouldn’t fix their rotation, but you have to start somewhere, and IMO, the money would be better spent on pitching than on offense at this point.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Maybe, maybe not.

      The Orioles have Guthrie, who is good, Uehara, who is probably solid, and 3 super-elite pitching prospects in Tillman-Matusz-Arrietta, all of whom likely make an appearance in 2009. They have plenty of pitching, it’s just not quite here yet.

      And yes, you can’t trust young pitching because there’s no such thing as “can’t-miss”, but all three of those prospects are damn good. Damn good.

      • Sweet Dick Willie

        all three of those prospects are damn good. Damn good.

        All the more reason to try for CC. It’s unlikely that all three will develop into top MLB pitchers, so having a guy like CC to mentor the one or two who make it is an ancillary benefit to having him anchor your rotation.

        And if by chance all three make it, well, there’s always that all important but always overlooked 8th inning!

        • mk

          Spending 20% of our budget on a guy who will play once every 5 days is not a smart bet for a (hopefully) up and coming team.

          Having a top notch hitter in the middle of your lineup is a whole another story, even for 25 mil, IMO.

          • mk

            Sorry, I meant the Orioles, not the Yanks

            • Sweet Dick Willie

              The point is, their offense is not the problem, so why allocate resource there? IMO, the resources are much better spent on the glaring weakness of the team, namely the pitching staff.

              The Rangers have proved for many years what a great offense and a craptastic pitching staff get you.

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                The point is, their offense is not the problem, so why allocate resource there?

                Because Huff and Mora won’t be around forever?

                It’s basically Markakis + Jones + Wieters + Huff + Mora. That’s the core, everyone else is kinda “meh”. It’s a good core, but if you want to compete with the Yankees and Sox, you need Teixeira. He closes that gap.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  Sorry, forgot Roberts. Brainfart.

                  Comment still stands, though, just add him in there.

        • steve (different one)

          i don’t blame them for not getting in on CC, since no one was going to outbid the Yankees.

          but Derek Lowe sure would have gone a long way for this team….with a solid 1/2 of Guthrie/Lowe, i think the O’s could mash their way to a decent record this year, and you build from there.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            Agreed. I thought they should have gone all in on Tex, but failing that, figured they’d at least sign either Burnett or Lowe.

            Do something…

  • http://www.freewebs.com/ps3tf2/ Double-J

    I think he should just use it as fuel. Didn’t Jeter (probably paraphrasing someone else) say that, ultimately, they boo you because you’re good?

    • A.D.

      as they say, “boos on the road are cheers at home”

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

    But that’s besides the point. The Orioles’ fans are just misdirecting their jeers. Who among them would have eschewed that extra $30 million? Who among them would have turned down another year? Who among them would have objectively picked the Orioles — with no .500 seasons since 1997 — as a winner over the Yankees?

    I WOULD HAVE!!! Because I’m not about the money, I’m all about the love of the game. These guys are all spoiled, and it sickens me.

    Sincerely,
    Stupid Sportsradio Talkshow Caller Guy

    • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

      Ben clearly forgets that anyone who signs with or roots for the Yankees is a greedy, money grubbing piece of shit who will only play for money, while people who sign with or root for the Orioles are all about the game and its heart and soul and would pay rather than be paid to play ball.

      • http://www.freewebs.com/ps3tf2/ Double-J

        That’s actually what I put on my eHarmony profile…

        • A.D.

          ietc

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Next on the line: Sully from Fair Meadows. Sully, you’re in the Herd!
        Sully: DESE GUYS ARE A BUNCHA OVAHPAID BUMS. BUMS, I TELL YA. TROW EM ALL OWT!!!

    • Chris C.

      “But that’s besides the point. The Orioles’ fans are just misdirecting their jeers. Who among them would have eschewed that extra $30 million?”

      This, from a fan base that will watch AROD hit two homers, then boo him after he K’s!

  • Yankee1010

    I know this is off-topic, but this sucks. http://thebiglead.com/?p=13137. Adenhart was killed in a car wreck last night.

    • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

      I just heard this on MSNBC. Holy shit.

    • http://www.freewebs.com/ps3tf2/ Double-J
    • andrew

      Wow. That’s crazy. so sad…

    • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

      What a shame. Terrible.

    • Jake H

      That is just crazy

    • Reggie C.

      The news is starting to break everywhere. I just read it on Cnnsi. Adenhart was only 22. Damn… That is a massive loss to the Angels franchise.

      • andrew

        I’m more concerned for his family, friends, than for the franchise right now.

        • Reggie C.

          The “damn” was to emphasize the fact that Adenhart was only 22. I can definitely see how it could be taken to emphasize the loss to the Angels. It wasn’t my intention to emphasize the latter fact. But all angles should get mentioned on a baseball site.

          • andrew

            Certainly, no offense taken.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Damn. So sad.

  • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

    I liken this (other fans’ reaction to the Yankees, and Yankees fans’ reaction to those other fans) to a (probably retarded) theory I have about the Yankees and their perception by fans of other teams. I call it my Harvard Theory. Harvard has the reputation of being the traditional number 1 (fluctuating magazine rankings aside, just roll with me here). All these other schools kind of compare themselves to Harvard and they all think they’re a rival of Harvard’s. But, in reality, there’s really only a couple of other schools that Harvard students/alumni would really acknowledge as their own rival (i.e. there’s a real rivalry with Yale, whereas a lesser or “lower-tiered” Ivy or other school, probably not so much). The perceptions/opinions of these non-rivals seem kind of cartoonish to a Harvard person, because, hey, what the F do they really care about this person who thinks they’re a rival?

    I see the Yankees the same way. Sure, there are teams who are real rivals. Clearly Yankees fans care about the Red Sox and there’s a strong, mutual rivalry there. The Mets? I suppose. I mean, geographic proximity and all. The Orioles, though? Meh. As a Yankees fan, I can’t get too worked up about Baltimore. They’re like an annoyance. But Orioles fans all think they’re a big rival of the Yankees. To them it’s a BIG DEAL when the Yankees come to town, it’s a big deal for the Os to be playing the big bad Yankees. When the Orioles come to the Bronx? I mean, I get about as excited for Baltimore as I do for Seattle. Yawn. I like Nick Markakis, I’m psyched to see Wieters in the near future, and I’ve always kinda dug the Os’ unis. But do I feel like they’re a rival? No.

    They’re going nuts about Tex because they think he chose the bad guy (Yanks) to their good guy (Orioles). They get all cartoonishly worked up and get out their magic markers to make their mean signs, yadda yadda. Whatever. Sorry they’re so upset about it. Yawn.

    (Disclaimer – I didn’t go to Harvard and don’t speak as a member of their community, I just use Harvard in my little story because that’s how my feeble mind works.)

    • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

      The Mets? I suppose. I mean, geographic proximity and all

      I do not see the Mets as a rival. The Subway Series (and interleague play in general) is kind of played out, IMO, and I feel that Mets fans take the “rivalry” with the Yankees much more seriously than Yankee fans do.

      • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

        I don’t either, but I think some fans do so I threw them in there. It’s definitely much more of a rivalry to Mets fans than it is to Yankees fans. It’s a throw-away line that I probably should have actually thrown away.

        • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

          It’s a throw-away line that I probably should have actually thrown away.

          Honorable Congressman, my ass.

          But, yeah, overall, I agree with your point.

          • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

            Actually… Thinking about why I wrote that line (after the fact, when I should be doing the thinking before hitting the “add comment” button of course), there actually was a reason I tossed it in there, I just didn’t communicate clearly enough. The point was that… Yeah, the Orioles are kinda a rival, but only in the same way that the Jays and the Rays are. I mentioned the Mets just because at least with them there’s the geographic proximity thing, whether I care about the Mets or not. The Orioles, though? I mean, they happen to be in the AL East, but there’s not much more than that.

            On an unrelated note, Dana Jacobsen is the human embodiment of nightmare fuel. (Shivers)

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              IMO, rivals:

              Red Sox

              (gargantuan gap)

              Mets

              (big gap)

              Dodgers
              (little gap)
              Orioles

              (big gap)

              Jays and Rays

              (big gap)

              Giants

              (big gap)

              rest of the peons

              • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                I’d probably move the Giants down the list with the rest of the peons. I mean, when was the last time the Yanks and Giants had an active rivalry? It’s just been entirely too long. The Dodgers rivalry lasted much later than the Giants rivalry and it’s a rivalry I love, but we have to be honest: it’s been dormant for a couple of decades. We need a World Series to jump-start that one again, that would be awesome.

              • mk

                Dodgers? really?

                • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                  Um. Yes? Don’t know how to respond to that insightful comment.

                • mk

                  Are you also scared khrushchev is going to bomb us? Like you just said, that is a pretty dormant rivalry…

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  All the years in Brooklyn + several WS meetings in LA + natural NYC/LA city rivalry = yeah, the Dodgers. Really.

                  (Where the hell is Old Ranger to back me up here?)

                • mk

                  I guess its all relative to your age. I’m 26 so that is way before me, although I know of your WS meetings and obviously the former geographical rivalry.

                  Still, doesn’t seem like a very active rivalry

                • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                  I don’t know, man. I don’t seem to be alone in thinking the Dodgers rivalry is cool, so I don’ think I’m being too much of an old man about this. Also… I’m not an old man, I’m a relatively young person who thinks the Yanks/Dodgers rivalry is cool. So, I guess, like, ipso facto, you don’t have to be an old out-of-touch person to like the Yanks/Dodgers rivalry? I stipulated that it’s pretty dormant, but I think if the Yanks and Dodgers met in the World Series that’s a rivalry people would really get into again. There’s SO much history there, as TSJC noted. The Brooklyn era, the move to LA, multiple World Series, stupid Tommy Lasorda, Joe Torre in their dugout… Even though it’s dormant, a lot of us either lived through it in the 70’s/80’s or grew up bombarded by images of it (either through Brooklyn heritage/connections or through the more recent World Series matchups, which weren’t ancient history in the 80’s). It has connections to generations who are still pretty young, it’s not like we’re hearkening back to some rivalry that was last active in the 30’s or something.

                • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                  “I guess its all relative to your age. I’m 26 so that is way before me…”

                  Did you not grow up watching highlights of Reggie in the World Series, Garvey and John and Sutton and Cey and the rest of them on the Dodgers, Thurman, the ’77 and ’78 wins and the ’81 loss, Tommy Lasorda constantly running his mouth off, Billy Martin and all the rest of them? Are you from the NY area? If so, your parents must have been around, at least as little kids, when the Dodgers left for LA (or even if they missed it by a few years, they’d have been through the aftermath of it). You certainly don’t have to be 50 years old or have been at those games to have grown up with a pretty strong sense of the history and the rivalry. I don’t know, maybe I was a little more a baseball fan as a kid than some people were.

                • jsbrendog

                  Dodgers rivalry = joe torrie’s book.

                  its real

                  boom, that just happened

                • mk

                  A rivalry is a two way street and I don’t know many Dodgers fans that consider the Yanks a main rival.

                  The question of who’s LA’s biggest rival was asked on questions/answers page and no one even mentioned the Yanks. Obviously this isn’t a perfect survey but I think it gives you an idea that dodger fans have made newer rivals.

                  http://tinyurl.com/dn7dmb

                  I hear ya with the Torre thing, didn’t think about that at first but that seems to be more of a NYY POV than a LAD one.

                • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                  Meh. Once AGAIN, nobody’s saying it’s a currently active, thriving rivalry. The only thing anyone has said is that it’s an old rivalry that could be rekindled. I don’t really see how that’s arguable, yet you persist. Yawn. Topic killed.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  I think you’re focusing too much on the fact that the Dodgers made my list and the fact that they only made it after the (gargantuan gap) and the (big gap).

                  Never said the Dodgers were a “primary” rival. We don’t look at them that way, and they don’t look at us that way.

                  But yeah, for both clubs, if you make a rival chart, we’re towards the top of theirs, they’re towards the top of ours. I’d say the Dodgers rivalry chart is something like:

                  Giants

                  (gargantuan gap)

                  Angels

                  (big gap)

                  Padres
                  (little gap)
                  D-Bags

                  (big gap)

                  Yankees

                  (big gap)

                  Cubs

                  (big gap)

                  Rockies

                  (big gap)

                  rest of the peons

              • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

                I’d flip the O’s and the Dodgers, but that’s just me.

                Then again, I am better than you since I did win the NCAA Tournament Pool.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  You call that a namedrop? Pathetic.

              • http://www.newsday.com/media/photo/2009-02/45088362.jpg Mike Pop

                Where are the Angels?

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      I’ve always kinda dug the Os’ unis.

      You should, they’re ours.
      http://bit.ly/2pz7nn

      The 1901 and 1902 Baltimore Orioles moved to NYC and became the Highlanders.

      The Orioles are our stepchild.

      • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

        Look at Sweet Dee, sitting on her cloud of judgment, handing out history lessons to all the sinners.

        I actually got into an argument in a bar trivia game one time because they asked what the Yankees’ original nickname was, and I said “Orioles” and they said I was wrong. It wasn’t pretty. And by “it wasn’t pretty,” I mean “I bitched and cried like a stubborn little girl.” But I was right, dammit. Still bitter.

    • mk

      Maybe it is just me but looking back at the past 20 years, I don’t remember the NYY-BOS rivalry being very fierce before Boston became the powerhouse it is today.

      When one of the teams sucks, it seems like only the bad team cares about the rivalry.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        It’s just you.

      • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

        Well yeah, of course it got more “fierce,” between the fans at least, once Boston finally won. That’s kind of human nature. But even before the last few years, the Yankees had a stronger rivalry with Boston than they did with any other team, regardless of whether or not that particular rivalry with Boston was as “fierce” as it is today.

      • Sweet Dick Willie

        It was pretty effin’ fierce in ’78.

        • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

          1978 might as well be 1878 in mk’s mind.

          • http://www.riveraveblues.com Benjamin Kabak

            Well, sure, but isn’t that the nature of a rivalry concerning fans of different ages? I can appreciate and understand the history of the Yankees/Dodgers rivalry. I’ve seen the old clips; I’ve read numerous books about the Brooklyn Dodgers and their epic battles with the Yankees.

            But in my life, the Yankees and Dodgers have played a grand total of 3 games against each other that counted for anything. It’s hard for anyone of a certain age to do more than tip their collective caps at a once-fierce rivalry that has since waned.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              Rivalries are like muscle memory. Watch the Dodgers and Yankees hook up in the World Series, or in interleague, and all the old rivalry instantly springs back. It’s like riding a bike, you never forget.

            • mk

              Exactly. I understand that for people that were actually around at that time, it may be as big as almost any rivalry. But for fans that were not alive at that time, I think its hard to really grasp the LAD/NYY competitions.

              Also, I said past 20 years, check your math 2009-1978>=20.

              • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                “Also, I said past 20 years, check your math 2009-1978>=20.”

                http://instantcrickets.com/

  • A.D.

    I wonder if the boos are there the next time the Yankees are in Baltimore? Is this a permanent thing, or just a beginning of the season thing.

    • rbizzler

      I was at the game on Opening Day and all sorts of yahoos were there drunk as hell by first pitch. My suspicion is that Tex will still get booed, but the spirit of the booing will mellow over time.

      Baltimore fans are fickle just like any other fans. I actually had a few conversations with ‘O’s’ fans who were praising Peter Angelos. I laughed my ass off at those comments because it was the first time I have EVER heard any praise for that man (as a baseball owner anyway).

      I did have an excellent chat with some good fans out in the bullpen area about Wieters and the three big arms that they have on the way. The AL East is going to be just ruthless for years.

  • mk

    Whats the big deal about him getting booed? O’s fans finally have a reason to interact at the game. Teixeira and 99.9% of the world would also take an extra 30 mill if they could. Everyone is doing what they are supposed to do.

  • mk

    People get booed for sucking even though they are giving it 100%, how is this any worse?

  • Trident420

    Baltimore KNOWS Tex didn’t want to be an Oriole. That’s why we boo.

    Baltimore offered him 150, and Trembly even said that he and Angelos were ready to offer 182 in response to the Yankees 180…but the call never came from the Tex camp for a counter-offer.

    And that’s fine for him – he can make his own decisions. But don’t expect your hometown to love you for basically joining the enemy (whether NY thinks so or not) and turning down the opportunity to be a hometown hero and assume a leadership role for a team that is on the cusp of winning once again… A hometown hero who would bring longevity to his business opportunities built on a relationship to his community that will long outlast any paycheck today. Instead, Tex, I hope NY loves you as much as they love A-Rod. You have made your bed.

    Good luck with getting your ring with a “winning” team, Tex. Mussina left us for NY for the very same reason… and we all know how that turned out. Your “winning” team hasn’t “won” in almost a decade. If boos are all it takes to make you go 1-9… expect many more to exploit that weakness. For $180 mil you had better get some hits soon, or your precious New Yorkers are going to EAT YOU ALIVE.

    • rbizzler

      Bitter much?

    • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

      Dude… Just kind of proving the point I made above. You need to chill and worry about the Orioles, not the Yankees.

      • mk

        This certainly does back up what you were saying before but like you said about the rivalries, this is also human nature.

        • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

          Struggling to find the point of this comment. You can do better.

          • mk

            I’m just saying, what do you expect? The O’s suck and don’t have much to talk about. So you can assume they’ll spend as much time worrying about your team as they do theirs since there is nothing better to do but wait.

            • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

              Yeah, I know what you’re saying. It’s just inconsequential.

              • mk

                Fair enough. And no, I cannot do better.

                • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                  My bad, I shouldn’t have been rude. I apologize.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Baltimore KNOWS Tex didn’t want to be an Oriole. That’s why we boo.

      No. You boo because you’re dumb.

      I used to think that Yankee fans booing their own players was stupid. After watching this series in Baltimore, I’ve changed my mind: All booing is stupid. It’s just dumb.

      Tex did nothing to you. Nothing. Grow up.

      Here’s the circumstances where I think it’s acceptable to boo:

      -When the umpire makes a bad call
      -When somebody does something remarkably stupid, like throwing at a guy’s head or picking a fight or taunting the crowd with middle fingers, Michael Vick style

      … I’m struggling to come up with something else. That’s all I got.

      Booing an opposing player for not choosing to play for you NO MATTER WHAT THE REASON is just as asinine as booing members of your own team just because you don’t care for them.

      Evolve already.

      • mk

        I used to think that Yankee fans booing their own players was stupid. After watching this series in Baltimore, I’ve changed my mind. All booing is stupid.

        I certainly agree about booing your own players. You would think that you want your players to succeed. I’d rather see fans cheer and encourage their players, no matter how cold they may be. Unless they were not trying their best.

        But booing the other team? Come on, its all in good fun.

      • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

        “I used to think that Yankee fans booing their own players was stupid. After watching this series in Baltimore, I’ve changed my mind: All booing is stupid. It’s just dumb.
        Tex did nothing to you. Nothing. Grow up.”

        Preach it, brother. I think people who boo are like people who heckle a stand-up comedian. They’re feeding some sort of subconscious need to matter more. It’s just pathetic.

      • http://eemack.blogspot.com Eric

        These are the same people who booed Aubrey Huff incessantly at the beginning of last season because he said Baltimore didn’t have good night life on a radio show. From the perspective of someone who did not grow up here but no lives in Baltimore I can tell you that these people have massive, massive chips on their shoulders and they’re quick to jump on any percieved slight.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          Television has taught me that the entirety of Baltimore just flat out sucks.

          • mk

            Come on, is NY that much better? Many Yanks fans booed their own player in the middle of a HOF career for “choking.”

            All cities have stupid fans.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              I wasn’t talking about watching your fans on TV telling me that Baltimore sucks.

              I was joking that the TV shows set in Baltimore invariably portray it as a fetid shithole that nobody but a criminal could love.

              Sorry for the mixed messages.

              • mk

                O, big difference.

                Bubbles agrees.

            • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

              Well thank Mo the voice of reason showed up or else nobody would have acknowledged the obvious. There are stupid fans in NY? Eureka!

              • mk

                Chill bro, just a little bit of miscommunication.

                • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                  I apologized above and I should repeat it here. No reason for me to be so snarky. My bad.

            • http://eemack.blogspot.com Eric

              I personally don’t really boo at all, but it’s one thing to boo poor performance, it’s a whole other things to boo you’re only player because he doesn’t like the bars in your city.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Mussina left us for NY for the very same reason… and we all know how that turned out. Your “winning” team hasn’t “won” in almost a decade.

      Yankees since adding Mussina:
      775-521 (.597), 7 playoff appearances in 8 years

      Orioles since losing Mussina:
      560-736 (.432), 0 playoff appearances in 8 years

      Individuals or organizations for whom the last 8 years turned out average-to-good-to-great:
      Mike Mussina, the New York Yankees

      Individuals or organizations for whom the last 8 years have been a mammoth regrettable shithole:
      The Baltimore Orioles

      ————————-

      Your “winning” team hasn’t even been RELEVANT in a decade. It hasn’t “won” in a generation and counting.

    • Chris C.

      “Baltimore offered him 150, and Trembly even said that he and Angelos were ready to offer 182 in response to the Yankees 180…but the call never came from the Tex camp for a counter-offer.”

      Complete bullshit.
      Boston and Washington already had offers on the table that were better than Baltimore’s offer. So where was their counter-offer to those????

      The Orioles had the 5th best offer on the table. They probably weren’t even in the conversation he had with his wife and agent when he was deciding who to sign with.

  • http://eastrutherfordrant.com donttradecano

    Whens the game thread going up?

    Porcello with a scoreless first.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Benjamin Kabak

      From here on out, just assume that the game thread will go up approximately 30-35 minutes before the start of the game.

      • http://eastrutherfordrant.com donttradecano

        thought the game started at 1, my bad.

  • claybeez

    I think a lot of bloggers are missing the point. Sure they wanted him to be an O. But, they wanted him not to be a Yankee even more. Baltimore historically has had this insane rivalry with NY (see John Waters, film director). It’s kind of like how Duke chants “You’re not our rivals,” when Maryland comes to play them in basketball. Yet, many MD fans remain undeterred in their hatred of everything Duke. Growing up in MD myself, not a game went by that I attended that some O’s fan(s) reminded me they were the only team with a winning record vs the Yanks (not anymore). I think the only other way they’d have had this reaction would have been if Tex had signed with the Sox. As hostile and violent as many of the O’s fans were toward me on Opening Day, they said to a man that they now despise the Sox (fans) even more.

  • JimT

    The Orioles fans are just frustrated. Their team hasn’t been very good for an extended time and Teixera is the current focal point of the dysfuncional system that is MLB. A system that doesn’t reward well run and fiscaly responsible organizations but provided a huge advantage to larger market teams.

    I happen to think that Teixera not signing with the Birds is a good thing for the Orioles. Commiting too much of the organizations financial resouces to one or a few players hasn’t worked well. Today they have a promising farm system that could help them to be a competitive team going forward. They should have started this process years ago and stay the course.

    • mk

      I get what you’re saying but I think TB’s success last year proves that while it may be hard, its certainly not impossible.

    • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

      “Commiting too much of the organizations financial resouces to one or a few players hasn’t worked well.”

      Arguable/untrue. Per NoMaas:

      “Like sands through the hourglass, so are the days when people continue to argue that not having Alex Rodriguez makes the Yankees a better team. While Arod is certainly a whackjob, it’s quite ridiculous to assume that removing a 150 OPS+ hitter from a lineup will produce more wins. It’s also a stretch to believe that Arod’s salary prevents the Yankees from fielding a winning team.

      Peter Abraham:

      Meanwhile, I’m not suggesting Alex isn’t a good player. He is. But it’s counter productive to winning to have one player command 15 percent of the payroll. It never works.

      The Yankees should have let him go when they had the chance and reinvested the money in two or three other players. That’s what Brian Cashman wanted to do and he was overruled by the Steinbrenners.

      So now you have nine years of a team built to showcase a cheater’s pursuit of an individual record. Fantastic.

      Given how the baseball economy is going, the Yankees could have taken the $30 million they’ll pay Alex on a yearly basis and dominated the draft, the international market and the free-agent market.

      Instead they’re trapped by him for nine more years. They’re paying for his decline. It was a stupid move then that gets worse every day. (Source)

      Abraham is absolutely right that the contract is too long. Giving 10 years to a guy already in his 30s is D-U-M-B. However, there’s a bunch of things wrong with the above statement.

      1. We’d say the Yankees did a decent job dominating the free agent market despite Arod’s salary. Don’t you think? And as Damon Oppenheimer told us, player payroll has not impacted the draft budget.

      2. Teams don’t win when they commit 15% of their payroll to one player? That’s news to us.

      World Series winners:

      2008 – Pat Burrell – 14.5% (Phillies)
      2007 – Manny – 14% (Red Sox)
      2006 – Pujols – 16% (Cardinals)
      2004 – Manny – 18% (Red Sox)
      2004 – Pedro – 14% (Red Sox
      2003 – Pudge – 21% (Marlins)
      2002 – Salmon – 16% (Angels)
      2002 – Appier – 15% (Angels)
      2001 – Unit – 16% (Arizona)
      (Source)

      Thank you, we’ll be here all week.”

      AND

      “Not only did we disprove the fallacy that committing a large concentration of payroll to one player prevents teams from winning, but it looks loading up payroll on one player is common practice around baseball. One of our readers, Aaron, emailed us today with a spreadsheet showing that, as of opening day 2008, 26 of the 30 teams in baseball committed at least 13% of their payroll to one player. Aaron writes:

      Only four teams have less than 13% committed to one player. Big winners, all of em: Orioles, Marlins, Tigers, Nationals. Yankees are actually sixth-lowest in terms of top-heaviness (13.26%, just ahead of the dodgers and just behind the blue jays).

      So you see, it’s not about the money, it’s about who you are actually spending the money on. Good lookin’ out, Aaron. “

      • JimT

        To fully complete that argument one would have to also examine how many clubs have failed / declined with one or two players dominating their salary resouces.

        The other thing that struck me was how many of these high salaried players have moved on from the teams they helped into the post season.

        Yankees aside, it just seems that most of the teams favored to reach the post season this year are teams that have solid, productive farm systems. Maybe there isn’t a direct correlation between what clubs spend on major league FA and what is left to spend on amateur draft picks and international FA but it sure seems that teams taking the later route are better positioned for the future.

    • Chris C.

      “I happen to think that Teixera not signing with the Birds is a good thing for the Orioles. Commiting too much of the organizations financial resouces to one or a few players hasn’t worked well.”

      Right. But operating on the cheap has done wonders for the Orioles over the past 10 years!
      It’s always good news whan an elite player doesn’t sign with your team.

  • Oriolesfan

    Back to Tex, the reason he is being booed in Camden Yards is because of the big deal he made in the media about “always wanting to play for the Orioles” and “looking forward to having interesting conversations with the Orioles” as soon as he became a free agent. This started about 2-3 years ago back when he was with Texas. There was even a day this offseason (no doubt orchestrated by Boras) where he leaked a story to the media that Teixeira was leaning towards signing with Baltimore because that’s where he’d always wanted to be. In hindsight, he never had any intention of coming here. MacPhail was stonewalled by Boras, even though it was well publicized that the Orioles offer was flexible.

    Orioles fans aren’t booing him because he took the most money. If he’d simply pronounced himself a mercenary and went about his business of signing with the Yankees most people would not have cared. But the fact that he made us care, via intentionally public overtures, only to spurn us for the Yankees makes Orioles fans feel used. That’s why he’s being booed.

    I think it’s a little silly to insinuate that we aren’t “knowledgeable” or don’t know what we’re doing. Personally, I understand quite well that the last 10 years have been horrible. Trust me, I watched all the games. But, when someone comes along who says he cares and is in a position to help, it’s pretty disappointing to be used in order to negotiate an even more absurd contract with your rival. If the Yankees were in the midst of their 12th consecutive losing season and a local hero made overtures about wanting to sign with them, only to take a little more money to sign with the Red Sox, I have a hard time believing he would not be booed at Yankee Stadium.

    • Chris C.

      You’re absolutely right.

      The problem is, whatever Teixeira said 2-3 years ago should have been a warning for the organization to show some type of committment to improve their pitching staff, offense, and overall success in general. Then you’d have a guy like Teixeira’s attention when he’s deciding where to call home for the next 8 or so years. But what do the Orioles do? They finally develope a legitimate ace in Bedard, and they trade him!
      Regardless of how the trade may have turned out, free agents do not like to join teams that are hip to dealing emerging star players.

      So you can call Teixeira a greedy mercenary all you want, but the fact is, not only did the Yankees offer a better contract, but they also offer up the proof that they’re willing to do anything to field a playoff-calibre team year in/year out.

      That too is a selling point for free agents. And the Orioles haven’t been selling that for years.