Jul
27

Yanks might find pickings slim after Friday

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Welcome to the week leading up to the non-waiver trade deadline, a typically crazy week for baseball. Rumors fly, and most of them either don’t happen or are unfounded in the first place. Many reports filed this week will feature the Yankees, since not only are they perennial buyers, but are also used in many instances to drive up prices for other teams. They do have a couple of weaknesses to shore up, all in the pitching department. It’s not a requirement, but it sure would be nice to add another arm, whether a starter or reliever, in the next five days.

Do they have to necessarily make a move this week? According to Brian Cashman, there will be increased activity after July 31 this year because many teams will not be willing to put in waiver claims. For the uninitiated, after July 31 teams can still trade, but the players in question must either clear waivers or be claimed by their destination team. For example, if the Yankees want Jarrod Washburn, he’d either have to go unclaimed by all 29 teams, or else be claimed by the Yankees. The Yankees and Mariners could then talk trade, but only for players who either clear waivers or are not on the 40-man roster.

The reason Cashman believes there will be more post-July 31 action is that teams will be less willing to risk putting in a claim. The team placing the player on waivers can opt to foist a player and his contract on a claiming team. This is how the Yankees got stuck with Jose Canseco in 2000. They put in a claim to block other teams, and the Rays said, “you can take him and what remains of his $3 million salary.” There was nothing the Yankees can do. Cashman believes that fewer teams will make waiver claims with the intent to block, fearing a similar maneuver.

In the Yankees case, that might be of little consolation. Their list of targets is concentrated to a few high-profile starting pitchers and a number of relief pitchers, all of whom could be claimed before they make it to the Yankees. This is mostly a product of the standings. Because the Yankees are ahead of the Red Sox, the Sox will get first dibs. Their payroll is relatively low, so they could risk taking on payroll, especially if it means keeping certain players from the Yankees.

Let’s take a quick look at the Yankees potential targets and see which ones, if any, could possibly pass through waivers.

Jarrod Washburn: He has about $3.5 million left on his contract for 2009. That might scare some teams away, but there are enough teams looking for pitching help that they might risk a claim. Plus, the Mariners know they have a valuable asset in Washburn. He can fetch them a decent prospect before the deadline, and chances are if they want to move him they will prior to Friday. Still, he could clear. The biggest threat, the Red Sox, might not want to take on a fly ball lefty. Those usually don’t go over well in Fenway.

Cliff Lee: There is no chance that Lee and his team-friendly contract makes it through waivers. Not even close. If the Yanks want him they’ll have to get it done this week. Chances are, though, that they’ll continue to balk at the asking price.

Roy Halladay: His contract might be prohibitive to some teams, but the Red Sox are not one of them. If placed on waivers, the Sox would certainly put in a claim. The Phillies would, too, but the AL gets first crack. The Tigers could even put in a claim, too, as could the Angels. Zero percent chance of the Yankees acquiring him after July 31.

Ian Snell: He’s been dominating AAA, but there are still concerns about him. After his career year in 2007 he signed an extension, and has bombed ever since. The problem, it seems, is his control, as the walks have jumped. In any case, Snell is owed about $1 million for the remainder of this season, $4.25 million in 2010, and has two team options for 2011 and 2012 ($6.75 and $9.25 million). The Yankees have been scouting Snell, though there’s little urgency to get a deal done. Considering his major league performance over the past two seasons, he’d likely clear waivers.

Scott Downs: Questionable whether he passes through. He has about $1.25 million on his contract for this year, plus $4 million last year. He’s lights out, though, and I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Sox and Angels put in a claim before the Yanks have a chance. Detroit and the ChiSox could also put in a claim.

Chad Qualls: Almost certainly would be claimed. He has under a million left on his contract this season, and has one arbitration year left before free agency. Even if a team didn’t want to take on his potential 2010 salary, they could dish him or non-tender him. Little to no chance he makes it to the Yanks.

Jon Rauch: Tough to say on Rauch. He has under a million left on his deal this season (about $660,000), and has a $2.9 million club option for 2010. That could lead to a few claims ahead of the Yankees, especially by a bullpen-starved team like the Angels. Again, don’t count out the Tigers. In fact, because of bullpen needs, I wouldn’t expect many, if any, decent relievers to be available to the Yankees after July 31.

Surely there are at least a few more names the Yankees are targeting, but these are the guys we’ve talked about for the past few weeks. And while it’s true that more players will pass through waivers this year than in the past, the players the Yankees are targeting right now most likely will not. This could put a greater onus on getting a deal done this week. Afterward, they might not have the same number of players available.

Just to spin this on its head, it could also open up new possibilities, players who pass through waivers who aren’t really being mentioned in trade talks right now. But chances are that the Yankees will lose out on unacquired targets on Friday at 4 p.m. EDT.

  • 27 this year

    Based on Cashman’s comments about the fake deadline, I really hope he isn’t depending on that idea to make deals. I think he needs to get something done by Friday and not leave holes hoping to get filled in August. The Red Sox know our holes so they could block anyone who could possibly fix our holes.

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

    Because the Yankees are ahead of the Red Sox, the Sox will get first dibs. Their payroll is relatively low, so they could risk taking on payroll, especially if it means keeping certain players from the Yankees.

    And that’s why I question Cashman’s proffered strategy of waiting for post-deadline deals, because most of the players we’d be interested in, i.e. fifth starters, extra bullpen arms, utility infielders, maybe even a centerfielder… all our needs are also the Sox’s needs, and they have more than enough room to take on any contract just like we do.

    If the Mariners pass Washburn through waivers with the intent of dealing him to us, why wouldn’t the Sox just take him and put him in their rotation? They would.

    • Zach

      It could be Cashman just trying to get a little leverage too. Honestly, I dont believe anything any GM, reporter, etc says until the deal is done, its just all rumors. Yankees werent in on Tex, they’re not going to sign him, he’s going to LA or Bos, Yankees have no chance, not even in pursuit- oh he signed with the Yankees?

  • Drew

    I’d like to snag Snell before the deadline.
    As for after the deadline deals, there’s no way anyone of substance will make it to us.

    • Drew

      *post-deadline

    • Stryker

      don’t know why you think snell makes a difference for the yankees that mitre wouldn’t. the guy has had one decent season and has struggled to make it back in the majors.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Nobody who has advocated for Snell has ever said he is a “difference maker”.

        We’ve only said that he’s good depth, a great buy-low candidate, a young player who could bounce back and have some value, soak up some innings. If the cost is minimal, he’s worth bringing in.

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

    What about Duchsherer? Can the A’s put him through waivers if he’s still injured? His ETA is what, two more weeks?

    • A.D.

      I read 2 weeks and he’d be starting in the majors.

    • gio

      Agreed. He’s really the guy I’d like to see the Yanks tkake a flier on. So much more upside than the rest of the pack of starters who, according to sources, would require a “modest prospect” (MLBTR).

  • Dela G

    in cashman we trust

  • El Tigre

    I can’t see this team not making a splash.. it just seems unliekly they don’t make a move conisdering we do need depth

  • Dela G

    i still say the yankees trade for adam dunn. I know you guys may be tired of me advocating it, but not signing him and trading for swisher was dumb in my book

    • Drew

      That’d be sick but I doubt it will happen.

      • Dela G

        especially with dunn hitting .275 instead of his regular .249 avg, he would hit 50 HRs in yankee stadium III

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      i still say the yankees trade for adam dunn. I know you guys may be tired of me advocating it…

      No, I’m with you, Dunn would be great, but A) he probably costs more than we should give up, and B) with Matsui and Damon still here and still hitting well, we don’t have anywhere to play him nor do we have a pressing need for him at the moment.

      … but not signing him and trading for swisher was dumb in my book.

      Yeah… no, it wasn’t.

      Because Dunn isn’t an OF, he’s a DH. Whatever offensive boost he provides over Swisher (which is smaller than you think, since Swisher’s been pretty solid) is negated by the huge negative he’d be in the field.

      I was dying to give Matsui away to try and get Dunn or Manny to be our DH in the winter. I want no part of Adam Dunn in RF, though. That’s a Bad Idea Jeans.

      • Drew

        Well, in hindsight we didn’t know Melkster and Gritmeister would both play well, but, we could’ve lived with a Damon, Grit, Melk OF with Dunn hitting behind A-Rod.

        • jsbrendog

          but then who would have pitched in blowouts? and had a terrible, ill-advised, worse looking than my college experimentation mohawk?

          • Dela G

            haha thats what tomko was for

      • V

        Agreed.

        According to FanGraphs, Adam Dunn has, so far, been worth $5.2M this year to the Nationals.

        Nick Swisher has, so far, been worth $5.7M to the Yankees this year.

        Swisher has a rather team friendly contract: He’s making $5.3M this year (so ANY production they get from him here on out is ‘free’), $6.75M next year, $9M in 2011, and in 2012 has a $10.25M club option with a $1M buyout. Barring injury, ANY team will exercise that option come 2012.

        Adam Dunn makes $8M this year and $12M next year. The bat is better than Swisher’s, but he’s a defensive liability, whereas Swisher is slightly above average.

        • Drew

          That’s not a fair comparison, everyone on our rosters value would go down by playing on the Nats. Less runs, larger ballpark, fewer wins, fewer saves, blah blah. If Nick Swisher is worth 5.7 to us, Adam Dunn would be worth a lot more.

          • V

            Wrong. Values are not team-dependent. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs.....d-part-one

            • Drew

              Adam Dunn on Yankees, Higher OBP, More Runs, More RBI’s. While value is not park dependent, who a player plays with has a direct correlation to their value.

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                You two are talking about different things. V is talking about Value (the mathematical stat). Drew, you’re talking about value (the abstract concept).

                • Drew

                  Yeah but V said Swish is worth 5.7(so far), while Dunn is worth 5.2. How does their production not factor into that mathematical stat?

                • V

                  Runs, RBIs, HRs, do not go into the statistics for ‘value’. BA/OBP/SLG do. These statistics are park adjusted, etc., and a ‘value’ is calculated.

                  Swisher, Offense+Defense, is worth more than Adam Dunn, Offense+Defense.

                • Drew

                  Gotcha.

          • Salty Buggah

            Ummm Swisher hasn’t exactly hit well at YSIII (his OPS is like 250 points lower I believe) yet but has still been more valuable.

            • Drew

              Again, if Adam Dunn was on this team he’d be more valuable than he is on the Nats.

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                No, he wouldn’t. He may command a higher salary dollar figure because he hits more homers and thus is a bigger ticket draw, but he wouldn’t be more valuable to the team in actual production towards wins and losses, because he’s a defensive sinkhole.

                People are willing to pay money to see all-hit/no glove guys, so he’s more valuable to Swisher in terms of box office gates. But Swisher is more valuable to the team’s chances to win a title.

                Two different types of value, Drew.

        • V

          That said, I am 100% in favor of seeing what it would take to get him for 2010 as the DH.

      • jsbrendog

        i was all for giving matuis awas as well but he has been more than i think any of us thought he would be.

      • Dela G

        agreed. he is an all-time terrible outfielder, but man that 40HR, 100RBI, 125BB, .400 OBP is very very hard to say no to. I see where you are coming from though. Swish is much better in the OF than people will give him credit for

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Exempting play at 1B (since both of them have been below average in really small sample sizes):

        Adam Dunn, 2009 –
        wRAA: 25.3
        LF/RF UZR: -18.7 in 670 inn.
        Total production (wRAA+UZR): 6.6 runs above average
        WAR: +1.2

        Nick Swisher, 2009 –
        wRAA: 9.4
        LF/RF UZR: -3.1 in 656 inn.
        Total production (wRAA+UZR): 6.3 runs above average
        WAR: +1.3

        • Drew

          I see with my eyes. lol, c’mon man, 400 obp and 40 Hr’s behind Jeter, Damon, Teix and Al = money. NOone is arguing that Dunn is even Bobby Abreu on the defensive end.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            I see with my eyes. lol, c’mon man, 400 obp and 40 Hr’s behind Jeter, Damon, Teix and Al = money.

            Yup. And, countless flyouts into RF becoming doubles = Joba and Andy giving up 6 runs in 4 innings in a loss instead of 4 runs in 5 innings in a no-decision = not money.

            Net production-wise, Adam Dunn and Nick Swisher are pretty identical. The only way Adam Dunn makes sense is as a DH. And we already have one of those, his name is Hideki Matsui.

            Dunn is a smart buy for 2010. Not for 2009.

            • Drew

              Whoa Whoa, no one is placing Dunn in RF.

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                Not you. Dela G.

                Sorry for the mixup. This all started with Dela’s “I’d rather have Dunn than Swisher” comment. If you want Dunn over Swisher, on this 2009 Yankee team, that means you’re playing Dunn in RF, because that’s where Swish plays (if it’s an either/or).

          • V

            But, for every additional run he knocks in, he gives one up in the field.

            As a PURE DH, I’d LOVE to have his bat in the lineup. As a defensive player? I’d rather poke my eyes out.

            • Drew

              Again, why does everyone think I want Dunn in the OF?

              • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                Because this conversation started as a conversation about adding Adam Dunn to the 2009 Yankees. Adding Adam Dunn to the 2009 Yankees, with their current personnel, means, in all likelihood, playing Dunn in the outfield.

                If you only look at offense, of course Dunn looks better. But we’re talking about his hypothetical value to the 2009 Yankees, and, in the course of this conversation, his value to the 2009 Yankees vis a vis Nick Swisher’s value to the 2009 Yankees.

                So, when you say you want Dunn on the team and/or compare him to Swisher, people discuss those arguments in the context of, well, reality.

                • Drew

                  lol. Okay, buddy. If you read what I wrote, like in 4 different areas. He’d be the DH. Which is in all realms of this reality you speak of, bud.

                • V

                  And Matsui would be…. doing what?

                • Drew

                  Well, if it happened now, Matsui would ride pine. If it happened on the same date Swish was acquired, he’d probably be in Seattle or on another team.

                • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                  Relax. I didn’t mean to hurt your feelings.

                  Again… Given the current personnel on the Yankees’ roster, Adam Dunn be an outfielder on this team. When you advocate acquiring Dunn, people respond as if you think he’d be an upgrade on this team as an outfielder because if the Yankees were to really acquire Adam Dunn, they’d be acquiring him as an outfielder.

                • V

                  So, the Yankees would just EAT his salary? Why?

                  They DO have a budget.

                • Dela G

                  makin it rain with each check

                • Drew

                  But why wouldn’t he be the DH? Sure he’d get the occasional start in right but if they had acquired him rather than Swisher I’m sure he’d be moved to DH once we signed Teix.

                • Drew

                  Who said we would eat his salary? Sure if we traded him last winter their would be some obligation for this year. This is all hypothetical. If we got him tomorrow, again hypothetical, Matsui would still contribute just not as the PERMANENT dh.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  But why wouldn’t he be the DH? Sure he’d get the occasional start in right but if they had acquired him rather than Swisher I’m sure he’d be moved to DH once we signed Teix.

                  Who plays RF? That plan only works if Xavier Nady never gets injured.

                  In your scenario, it’s:
                  LF-Damon
                  CF-Gardbrera
                  RF-Nady
                  1B-Tex
                  DH-Dunn
                  Bench- Matsui

                  And, when Nady gets hurt, then Dunn moves to RF and Matsui moves back into the starting lineup. Because with Dunn’s salary being double what Swisher’s is, we’re not going to go trade for a new RF, we’d be overbudget as it is.

                • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                  Because Hideki Matsui is on the roster and would be worthless if not slotted into the lineup as the DH, and because if you subtract Nick Swisher from the Yankees’ roster and use his spot on Adam Dunn as a DH, then you don’t have a RFer.

                • Bo

                  What the heck do we need with another non athletic DH type??

                • Drew

                  TSJC, you’re speaking in hindsight, with the injury. If you go in hindsight, why wouldn’t we just field Melky in right and Grit in center? Their offense is sustainable with Adam Dunn in our lineup. Our OF defense would be great (except for blinky damon).

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  If you go into it with foresight, you’re DEATHLY TERRIFIED of an outfield with Melky and Gardner in it together.

                  The huge tiebreaker in the theoretical “Should we have traded for Swisher or signed Dunn this past offseason” question was the positional flexibility that Swisher offered. Dunn the DH probably adds more value than Swisher the RF, but the corresponding moves of benching Matsui and playing Nady in RF with no good safety net (remember, even absent the injury there was questions about whether Nady would even hit enough or field well enough to justify starting him) means that since Swisher could defend well enough to play his bat in RF, it better fits our team needs.

                  Going into the season, the 2009 Yankees needed a solid rightfielder more than they needed an upgrade at DH. That’s Swisher, not Dunn.

                • Drew

                  Fair enough. My head is spinning with all of this theoretical and hypothetical mumbo jumbo.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  Okay. Now that that’s settled, let’s talk about string theory.

                • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                  Hold on, I’m still trying to understand this: “If you read what I wrote, like in 4 different areas. He’d be the DH. Which is in all realms of this reality you speak of…” Can string theory help decipher that stuff for me?

                • Drew

                  No but with some hard work and a little adarol you may get it.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  Adderal?

                • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                  Haha… “Better living understanding Drew’s angry comments through modern science.”

                  And, dude… It’s “adderall.”

                • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                  Hey C-L-O-W-N! It’s A-D-D-E-R-A-L-L!

                  /Pinstripe Destiny’d

                • Drew

                  Yeah, guess I should have googled that one.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside
                • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                  Oh come on, Pinstripe Destiny jokes aren’t instantrimshot-able already, are they? That guy’s irrational anger is a goldmine.

                • I Remember Celerino Sanchez

                  Is Pinstripe Destiny the guy who went on and on about wanting to DFA Matsui last month? And every time someone pointed out his .825ish OPS, he would ask us again and again if we watch the games and see how bad he is?

                  I think of that guy now every time Matsui gets another big hit.

                • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                  I thought Pinstripe Destiny is the guy who has only commented a few times to yell “CLOWN!” at TSJC.

                  Ugh… If I got the name wrong, I apologize.

                • Rick in Boston

                  Was he the one who wanted to argue with Joe/Ben/Mike about his constitutional right to post off-topic?

                • I Remember Celerino Sanchez

                  I think that was mryankee.

                • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                  Here you go, read this conversation:

                  http://riveraveblues.com/2009/.....ent-489101

                • Rick in Boston

                  Thanks – I really need to read the Game Threads more often. Or someone should do a next morning recap and link to the most Oaktag-worthy quotes of the night before.

                • jsbrendog

                  http://riveraveblues.com/2009/.....ent-487463

                  time for a comment vortex. here’s the other pinstripe alley convo

    • Joltin’ Joe

      I would love to see Dunn in YSIII but he has, HAS! to be DHing.

  • A.D.

    No Bronson Arroyo mention, he’d 100% pass through waivers, and for good reason, bad player + bad contract.

    Otherwise Cashman’s comments only make sense in the situation of a Jose Canseco, a guy who is overpaid vs his current ability, and which the team that has him doesn’t really want.

    Guys like Washburn, there are plenty of teams that would be interested in his services, especially with an expiring contract & current type B status. There’s not that much risk.

    • Dela G

      bronson arroyo = trash

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Somewhere, Mike Francesa sheds a single tear.

        • Joltin’ Joe

          Now if he could shed but a single pound…

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            Well, he is drinking Diet Coke…

      • Klemy

        But he’s a stahting pitchaaah!

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          There’s a part of me that would love to see us trade for Bronson Arroyo, only so we could put him in the bullpen.

          Because I perversely enjoy Mike Francesa going apoplectic. Just like Kramer and Jerry watching a catfight (because they might kiss), I like when Diet Coke Boy loses his shit (because he may have a massive and permanently debilitating brain hemorrhage).

      • AndrewYF

        I hear Brandon Arroyo is pretty good.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          (golf clap)

  • CountryClub

    Regardless of what side of the Cashman line you fall on, I think you have to admit he’s had a good record at making trades near the deadline. A lot of times the deals came out of nowhere too.

    • Dela G

      his trade record is almost as good as theo’s

      i still think that beckett trade is the best trade in the AL east in the past ~5 years. The a-rod trade is a damn close second, and the eric bedard trade in there too.

      • Drew

        theo didn’t make the beckett trade though.

        • Dela G

          then who did? he’s been there since 02

          • Drew

            Theo was on “sabbatical.” He and the FO parted ways for a few months.

            • Dela G

              oh yeah you’re right

              i remember that time

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                i remember that time

                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDxsM5jLNxM (safe)

                • Dela G

                  ou are just money today with these music clips

                • Ed

                  I was expecting something involving a gorilla suit.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  I was expecting something involving a gorilla suit.

                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8uTY4p_WyI

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          Thanks, yup. I responded so quick I forgot.

          Theo was against giving up HanRam for Beckett, and with good reason.

          • Bo

            The ace pitcher is more valued than the SS. As Becketts post season indicates. Theo should take credit for getting Lowell and Beckett because they won a title because of it. They dont win with Ramirez playing SS and no Beckett.

            • V

              Can I borrow your crystal ball?

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              They dont win with Ramirez playing SS and no Beckett.

              There’s no possible way of knowing that.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        We gave up Alfonso Soriano for ARod.
        Theo gave up Hanley Ramirez for Beckett. I’d say we gave up far less and got back far more.

        • Dela G

          well i am saying in the fact they won 2 world series with beckett as the ace, thats why i say its better

          • CountryClub

            Beckett wasnt on the 2004 team

            • Dela G

              wow my memory is terrible, he was traded before 06

              i wish i could edit posts

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            well i am saying in the fact they won 2 world series with beckett as the ace, thats why i say its better

            Yes, but in the alternate universe where they still have Hanley Ramirez at shortstop, maybe the HanRam-ManRam-Ortiz trioka power-bodyslams them to 3 world series titles, even with inferior pitching.

            The fact that they won a WS with Beckett doesn’t mean they wouldn’t have won a WS if they hadn’t made the trade. We traded for Dave Justice to win the 2000 World Series, but maybe we win the 2001, 2002, and 2003 WS with Jake Westbrook and Zach Day, know what I’m saying?

            Because X happened and lead to Y doesn’t mean that Y never happens if X doesn’t happen first.

            • Dela G

              yeah i feel what you are saying

            • JohnnyC

              Westbrook and Day wouldn’t have been allowed into the “circle of trust.” They would have been traded away for Kevin Brown’s ghost the next year anyway.

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                Touché.

      • JGS

        in terms of what? The Beckett deal was a good move for both sides, leaning toward better for Boston–they did win the world series after all and probably wouldn’t have had it not been for that deal–but even without Beckett, think of how scary they would be with Hanley in there.

        The Bedard deal was an absolute steal for Baltimore that was a big factor in Bill Bavasi’s firing. That may go down as one of the worst trades in the history of the Mariners.

        • Sweet Dick Willie

          It may ultimately wind up being ONE of the worst, but giving up Derek Lowe and Jason Varitek for Heathcliff Slocumb is pretty effin’ bad.

          • Rick in Boston

            Tino Martinez, Jeff Nelson and Jim Mecir for Russ Davis and Sterling Hitchcock is still my personal fave.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              Meh, Davis and Hitchcock were pretty decent prospects at the time.

              • Rick in Boston

                Hitchcock yeah, Davis had only one real skill. If Russ Davis was playing today, RAB posters would be constantly complaining about his Angelini-esque defense.

                Tino was #2 on the 95 Mariners in OPS, Nelly was arguably their best setup reliever. As big a mismatch as the Mariners/Sox deal? No, but it still gave the Yankees two key pieces for their dynastic late-90’s run.

  • SoCalYankeeFan

    If the D’Back would be willing to package Qualls and Garland, what would the Yankees have to give up?

    SoCalYankeeFan 8)

    • Drew

      Don’t know but probably too much.

      • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

        Yup… ANYTHING is too much to give up for Jon Garland. He is terrible.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          Agreed.

        • Chris

          I think the real question is, would taking Garland off of Arizona’s hands (and then I assume releasing him) be enough to get Qualls….

          • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

            Yeah, ok… But then Jon Garland is on the Yankees, which is a terrible result. I think I’d rather not have Chad Qualls if having Qualls also means the Yankees have Garland on the roster. To me, that result (Garland in pinstripes) more than negates the positive of having Qualls on the roster.

            So, like I said earier… ANYTHING is too much to give up for Jon Garland.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              Can Garland play CF? No?

              Then I’m not interested.

    • 27 this year

      Garland sucks. Too many baserunners, not really an upgrade over Mitre.

  • V

    Hmm, mlbtraderumors post about Alcides Escobar has me thinking – what would it take to get Washburn + a buy low on Morrow?

    • Sam

      Jackson/Melancon?

      • Sam

        Maybe substitute McAllister for Melancon or add Nova?

        • Reggie C.

          Interesting..

          Washburn – 2 month player who you then let walk
          Morrow – who you put in the ‘pen and let Hughes start.

          .. Ajax, McAllister, Nova, + Melancon … damn. I think that’s still light on our side.

          • Bo

            Yea I’m sure Sea would love to throw in Morrow in any deal. just like the Yanks would have thrown Hughes in a deal last yr. Wow.

            • V

              Oh look, Bo talking about something he doesn’t know anything about. Surprise surprise.

              FYI, dumbass, there are rumors of an Alcides Escobar for Washburn+Morrow deal.

            • Reggie C.

              The talk of Seattle fielding offers to move Morrow has been off and on for awhile, and it looks like they’ve spoken with at least the Brewers recently.

              Seriously…if Morrow and Washburn could be had in the same deal, consider me highly intrigued.

              • Drew

                They wanted Grit and Melk both just for Washburn..

          • Reggie C.

            I’ve given more thought on Morrow’s availability.

            – Do the Mariners really want to trade low on Morrow? This is the same guy who had a WHIP under 1.2 last season and flashed dominant stuff (i.e., the YS start). I’m not sure what’s going with him this season, but he’s not the same guy. Yet, if Mariners brass includes him in a deal with Wash … I’d take a longer look and make sure he’s not hurt.

            – If Morrow is just plain ineffective right now, and the Mariners would take the 4-player package – Cash should do it.

  • Doug

    Downs has been far from “lights out” since coming back from his toe injury

    • Drew

      Career>>>>>> Two games in which he’s given up 4 runs.

      • Doug

        gave up 2 runs the game before that as well. just saying that maybe he’s not fully healthy. something to consider.

        • Bo

          Maybe thats why Toronto wants to move him.

  • Andy in Sunny Daytona

    Just make Ruomolo Sanchez the 5th starter. :)

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Our 2009 playoffs secret weapon: The Fat Sanchezes.

      • Andy in Sunny Daytona

        Dare I say, their stuff would be……Dirty

  • Frank

    I’d like Josh Willingham as a back up corner OFr/DH RH bat off the bench.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Me too, but he’s not really a need and we already have a crowded roster at RF/LF/DH.

      Hinske’s acquisition probably means we’re done adding corner outfielders.

  • Tony

    Marte is your deadline acquisition. If Mitre blows up, they’ll move Ace or Hughes to the rotation. This isn’t the Torre Era where we needed to replace two decimated relievers on July 31 every year.

    • Bo

      So a guy with a bum shoulder is your reinforcements?

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        No, a guy with a bum shoulder is our FREE reinforcements.

        House money.

      • Chris

        The Yankees have the best record in the AL. Why do they need any reinforcements?

        • Drew

          so we can compete with the Rays and Sox.
          /espn’d

      • Tony

        His shoulder is de-bummed. De-bummed, I say!

  • Kiersten

    I could be mistaken, but didn’t Cashman make those comments before we took over first place?

  • Cokie

    Maybe we can get Darrell Rasner back from Japan. Just checked out his season stats:

    3-4 record in 10 games 51.2IP 62H 16BB 34K 6.62ERA
    That looks worse than his AL East numbers from 2008. I thought the Japanese leagues was supposed to be an easier than MLB?

    • Doug

      if you have talent, sure

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Isn’t Hideki Irabu mounting a comeback? Let’s look into that, might be something worthwhile there…

      • Klemy

        RIBBIT!

        • JohnnyC

          He’s living in SoCal now and, reportedly, has been seen pitching semi-pro ball in the area. Not thinking of a comeback, just bored, I guess.

  • Doug

    Should we be more concerned about the Sox getting Halladay or Gonzalez? Write that after Heyman tweeted that AGon may be their top target now.

    • Klemy

      Kind of off-topic, but I absolutel hate that term, “tweeted.” GRRR

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        I don’t know why, it’s a perfectly cromulent word.

        (Seriously, though, do you also hate the word “blogged”? Because blogged and tweeted are basically equivalent terms, IMO.)

        • Klemy

          Nah, I don’t mind blogged at all. it’s just something about the word that bugs the crap out of me. It’s just something about it…

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            When you write about something on your blog, you “blogged” it.
            When you write about something on Twitter, you “tweeted” it. Same diff, no?

            • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

              Dude, there’s just something about it. Don’t even try to argue with that logic.

              • Klemy

                Exactly, and that’s all there is to it. Absolutely no logic to it. I know why the word makes sense, I just don’t like it. lol

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  Fair enough.

                  BTW, I had sex with your wife.

            • Nady Nation

              Why not “twittered” then?

              /furthers the irrelevant argument

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                Because the past tense of “write” is “wrote”.

                OR

                Because the English Language has no rules. It’s like international waters out here. It’s where they had the Tyson-Secretariat fight.

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside
            • andrew

              Even “twittered” would be easier to handle for me

    • Salty Buggah

      Well, if they get Gonzalez, they have to give up about all of their good prospects.

      • Doug

        how is that different than with doc?

        • Salty Buggah

          Yea, I didnt say that correctly. They have to give up waaay more for A-Gon than Doc because A-gon is young and cost-controlled and really good.

          • Doug

            i understand what you’re saying, but not sure the required pay would be less for doc, with the jays needing extra back since in the division

            • Salty Buggah

              Maybe but even with the premium for BOS, I think it’ll take way more to get A-gon. Halladay could be had for like Buchholz, Bowden, Bard, and Anderson (Bowden’s and Anderson’s value have gone down and maybe Buchholz’ has gone down a bit). For A-gon, you START with Buchholz, Bard, Bowden, Anderson, Kelly. That still may not be enough.

    • CountryClub

      All of the ESPN guys are saying that you’ll have to blow SD away to get him.

      • Andy in Sunny Daytona

        So….Bucholtz straight up then?

        • Drew

          Brad Penny straight up.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          Nah, Justin Masterson should be enough. Maybe Masterson for Gonzalez and a PTBNL… like Donovan Tate? That sounds fair.

          /Gammons’d

          • Andy in Sunny Daytona

            Bucholtz is so great they might be able to swing a 3-team deal. Boston sends Bucholtz to Whale’s Vagina for AGon and Toronto sends Halladay to Boston for the thought of getting Bucholtz.

      • Reggie C.

        I bet you Werner is already regretting the “we’re-gonna-make-a-big-deal-but-keep-our-best-prospects” statement.

    • Drew

      Can’t be concerned. If they get Halladay, yeah it will suck if we have to face him 6 times next year and a few times this year. Same with Gonzalez, but you have to factor in what they would have to give up. Teix>A-Gon, Halladay>Baseball. What can ya do though…

    • A.D.

      Honestly if they gut their farm for one of these guys, I’m okay with that. If its for A-Gone the benefit is those prospects are far, far, away from the Yankees.

      • Klemy

        That’s how I feel about that move as well.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          Yup. As was said above, I would have loved to have gotten Josh Beckett rather than let Boston get him, but at least Hanley Ramirez isn’t in Blue Sox today, so we still benefited from that trade in a way.

      • Doug

        but agon is so, so close to that friendly rightfield porch :-)

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          You can’t have ALL the girls. Trust me. You’ll chafe.

          Sincerely,
          Derek Jeter

    • Bo

      Who cares if they add another 1b? if they get Halladay to combine with lester and beckett that would be hands down the best rotation in the game.

  • A.D.

    Sherman throwing another name into the mix:

    An NL official said not to believe that San Diego closer Heath Bell is only available at an exorbitant price. “I think the Padres realize that this is the moment when you can get your best deal for (Bell). He gets expensive next year, and there is no reason to have an expensive closer on a bad team.”

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Yeah, he’s probably not going to have an exorbitant price. Just a large one, and that’s still enough for me to not be interested.

  • Frank

    The godfather was just on ESPN radio and he says the Yanks are not interested in Snell. For what that’s worth.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Marlon Brando?

  • Bo

    You realize Cashman is playing the negotiating game here right? What GM ever tells the truth about what balls he has in the air and what his plans are? The only thing that makes sense is keeping all options open and having teams not think you’re desperate so you can keep all your top prospects.

    • Klemy

      Well, he did end with FWIW… :) Some internet circles that gets you a free pass to say almost anything you want.

    • JohnnyC

      All I know is there’s one GM who’s telling everyone exactly what his plans are…Omar Minaya. He’s going to investigate the investigation to see what needs to be investigated.

      • Doug

        and they just fired bernazard

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        BERNAZARD SMASH!!!!!

        • JohnnyC

          Ya see! Sherlock Minaya solves another case!

          • Klemy

            How that guy is still a GM anywhere baffles me.

            • Kiersten

              This is the same team that employed Steve Phillips and then hired a replacement who traded Scott Kazmir for Victor Zambrano…

      • jsbrendog

        worst. gm.

  • KayGee

    If Atlanta falls out of it in August, any chance they put Vasquez on the block? His salary next year could stop teams from claiming him. While his 1 year here didnt go so well after the All Star break, hes a proven innings eater and has some post season experience. He’s also having a very good year

    • KayGee

      * post season experience, def not success

  • Thomas A. Anderson

    Today is A-Rod’s birthday today. He’s 34. For everyone’s sake let’s hope he holds up fairly weel till he’s 42 when his deal is up.

    So happy birthday, Alex.

    • Klemy

      Well then. Today I wish Alex happy birthday today. ;)

    • Tony

      I wonder what his Band-Aid got him.

  • jsbrendog

    via mlbtr (sorry i can’t link it it is blocked at work so i check it on my phone)

    “the a’s would likely accept a ‘modest prospect’ for justin duchscherer, who’s currently rehabbing. There’s about $1.3MM remaining on the righty’s contract before he hits free agency after the season”

    do it.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Who’s “modest”? D-Rob? Ryan Pope? Kroenke? Kevin Russo?

  • jsbrendog

    The Yankees appear to be focusing in on relievers as the trade deadline approaches. By beefing up the bullpen, this would enable them to transition Alfredo Aceves to the rotation if the need arises.

    SMASHSMASHPUTHUGHESINTHEROTATIONSMASHSMASH

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Where’s that from?

      • jsbrendog
        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          Thanks.

          I wonder if that’s PeteAbe’s personal speculation, or if he has it from a team source that Aceves and not Phil is the one who’d be put back in the rotation.

  • Pedro (from Brazil)

    +1000

  • AndrewYF

    Apparently the Reds are sellers, and Aaron Harang is on the block. He hasn’t pitched all that well in the past two years, but he eats innings and strikes out his share of batters. He’s also owed $12.5 million next year with an option for 2011. I’d give up a ‘modest prospect’ for him, but it may take more than that.

  • TheLastClown

    Is there an order in which teams are given an opportunity to claim waiver-wire players? If so, what is it determined by?

    • Joltin’ Joe

      Teams in the same league get priority. Then, teams with the worst record get priority. So today the Yankees would be last for NL players and the last AL team for AL players. Friday is basically our August 31.

    • I Remember Celerino Sanchez

      Worst record to best record, but the league the player/team is in gets first shot.

  • Joltin’ Joe

    If Downs clears waivers at any point this season, please proceed to slap me upside the head. Thank you for your time.

  • http://leegrantphotography.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/madmax.jpg gxpanos

    This Duchscherer thing is so obvious to me. He seems BY far the most attractive option, considering Beane said he give him up for “a modest prospect.” If Cashman’s the GM I hope he is, he’ll figure this out. Duke would be GREAT as a 5th starter. He’s really only had good years, either as a starter or reliever. The only thing that’s worrisome is injury, but a modest prospect is still worth it.

    • Andy in Sunny Daytona

      But can he make a solid #2?

      • Andy in Sunny Daytona

        DUCWIDT?

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside
          • http://leegrantphotography.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/madmax.jpg gxpanos

            Oh, come now TSJC! That was pretty good.

            How bad would it suck for him if teams shied away because of dookie trouble?

            I selfishly want Duke to come to NY not only becuase he’s the best value, but because he’d be so easy to root for. Can you imagine a problem like that? In a profession like his? Just awful! I’d be friggin’ ecstatic if he was successful.

        • http://leegrantphotography.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/madmax.jpg gxpanos

          IDCWUDT

          How much would it suck for Duke if people shied away from him because of dookie troubles?

      • Drew

        heh

  • Sam

    Is Harang a consideration?

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      What does he cost? If it’s anything of any substance, no.

  • dc1874

    looks like Bronson Arroyo is commin…..

  • dc1874

    Yankees, Reds Working On Arroyo Deal
    Posted Jul 27, 2009 5:38PM By Jeff Fletcher (RSS feed)

    Filed Under: Reds, Yankees, MLB Inside Scoop, MLB Trade Deadline
    Email Print ShareText SizeAAAThe Yankees are in serious discussions with the Reds about acquiring Bronson Arroyo, although right now the deal may be hinging on how much of Arroyo’s remaining contract the Reds are willing to eat, major league sources told FanHouse on Monday.

    “It will get done,” one source said.

    Arroyo, 32, is due nearly $4 million for the rest of this season, plus $11 million in 2010 and a $2 million buyout or a $11 million option in 2012. Arroyo is 10-9 with a 5.21 ERA, but he has a 2.08 ERA in his past three starts.

    Reds top officials met via conference call this morning, an indication to one big-league source that they were “close to a deal.” Arroyo has since been removed as the Reds probable pitcher for Tuesday.

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