Open Thread: Andy Pettitte in potential clinchers
ByAndy Pettitte is the old man in the rotation, the been there, done that, respect him just because of he is who he is veteran. He wore pinstripes in both good times and bad, and he’s got more than a full season’s worth of postseason experience in that left arm (37 starts, 231 IP career in the playoffs). His reputation as a big game pitcher is a tad exaggerated, but he’s certainly done what the Yankees needed in the past.
In his career, Pettitte’s started eight games when the Yankees had a chance to clinch a series, like they will tomorrow night. Let’s quickly recap those starts:
1996 ALCS Game Five: 8 IP, 3 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 1 BB, 3 K
Pettitte was fantastic, and it certainly didn’t hurt that the offense put up a six spot in the third inning. Yanks won the game 6-4, and took the series against Baltimore 4-1.
1997 ALDS Game Five: 6.2 IP, 6 H, 4 R, 4 ER, 0 BB, 2 K
Meh outing, Manny Ramirez’s two-run double followed by a Matt Williams RBI single in the third did him him. Yanks lose the game and the series 4-3 and 3-2, respectively.
1998 World Series Game Four: 7.1 IP, 5 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 3 BB, 4 K
Pettitte was spectacular against the overmatched Padres, but he wasn’t able to ease up until the team scored a pair of insurance run in the 8th inning. Yanks won the game 3-0, and swept the series.
2000 ALDS Game Five: 3.2 IP, 10 H, 5 R, 5 ER, 2 BB, 4 K
Pettitte kinda crapped the bed in the deciding game five, but luckily for him, Oakland starter Gil Heredia was even worse (six runs, one out). The bullpen held it down for 5+ innings. Yanks won 7-5, and finished Oakland off in the deciding Game Five.
2000 World Series Game Five: 7 IP, 8 H, 2 R, 0 ER, 3 BB, 5 K
Pettitte hurt himself with an error in the third, but otherwise held it down until the Yanks took the lead in the ninth. Good guys won 4-2, and took the series in five.
2001 World Series Game Six: 2 IP, 7 H, 6 R, 6 ER, 2 BB, 1 K
This was the real clunker. After two magical come from behind wins in the Bronx, Pettitte blew up in the potential clincher. He later admitted to tipping his pitches, hence all the damage. Yanks took one on the chin, losing 15-2, and we all know what happened in Game Seven.
2003 World Series Game Six: 7 IP, 6 H, 2 R, 1 ER, 3 BB, 7 K
Andy was good, but Josh Beckett was better.
2009 ALDS Game Three: 6.1 IP, 3 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 1 BB, 7 K
This one was just two weeks ago, so I’m sure you remember it. Pettitte could have gone longer, but was lifted after just 81 pitches. Yanks held on for a 4-1 win, and a trip to the ALCS.
Overall, the Yanks are 5-3 when Pettitte takes the mound in a game where the Yanks could clinch the series. What does this mean for tomorrow? Absolutely nothing. These are just isolated incidents, some over ten years old. All Pettitte has to do tomorrow is what he’s been doing all year: keep the Yanks in the game, and log as many innings as possible.
Update: I missed some games. See this comment for more info.
Anyway, use this as your open thread for the night. There’s literally no local major sports team in action tonight, just the Nets in a meaningless preseason game. There’s also some college football game on, but I don’t remember the teams. You could always come hang out with me at MLBTR. Talk about whatever you want, just make sure you follow the guidelines and be nice.
Andy’s had some great postseason appearances even when he couldn’t clinch, too.
Optimism, people, it’s what this sport is made of.
I thought it was made of spreadsheets?
You don’t play this game on paper!
You can’t predict baseball!
/Sterling’d
my hope is slightly higher than it was last season relative to other fans of this site
/uzr 150′d
Correction 2009 ALDS Game 3.
I’m more curious to the adjustments the lineup makes to Joe Saunders. I was at game 2 and it seemed like they were just missing on him and it seemed odd that they couldnt even put together a decent rally.
Thanks, my bad about the typo.
I’m just relieved that we don’t have to listen to the constant din of thundersticks for the rest of the series. For the most noise, with the least effort, go with Thundersticks!
With all the attention paid to Swisher’s problems at the plate this series/last night, it got lost in the shuffle that Tex broke out of his slump and is ready to unleash his wrath in Game 6.
It will be very fun to wipe the smug grins off Abreu’s, Hunter’s, Guerrero’s, et al faces.
Ugh, you reminded me of Scioscia’s grin. :vomits:
I hate his face so much, I can’t wait to get his thing over with tomorrow.
Wow, I just read some of the Swisher thread. There’s a lot of irrationality and hate in there.
Swish BABIP is REALLY low (.158). Some said how he has the ball really weakly. Well, believe it or not, his LD% in this postseason is 21.1%, higher than his career % of 18.5%. While I believe his is kinda struggling, he has been really unlucky too.
Wow, I just read some of the Swisher thread. There’s a lot of irrationality and hate in there.
Yah, exactly. It’s eight measly games. Yah, the timing sucks. Oh well.
Swisher was still a brilliant pick-up by Cashman, and I’m still thrilled he’s a Yankee.
Agree 1000%. Is he pressing? Yeah, probably. But I remember some guys who are now thought of as ‘Yankee legends’ who couldn’t BUY a hit for their first few postseasons.
Tino Martinez comes to mind immediately. I think he had only 2-3 hits before the grand slam against the Padres in 1998. He was so bad in 1996, that he was sat down in the World Series in favor of an all-but-shot Cecil Fielder, who wound up getting a key hit in the Smoltz-Pettitte game.
It happens, he’ll get over it and I believe Hughes will as well. I think they’re both pressing a bit.
Can I somehow blame Giradi for everything tonight aswell. I love really blaming Giradi, for everything.
P.S. Rutgers is playing if any of you care for College football in the northeast outside of BC.
OK, you can blame him. But when we win it all, you can’t come to the parade. Since your a fair weather fan who didn’t stick with the team through two measly losses.
Deal?
me and several members of my family want to go to game 1 and or game 2 of the series, ive been watching stubhub for prices, wow, im wondering if you folks might have a guess, do you think the prices will go up ? or down ?
between now and then
it is going to be expensive if you are going that route. It might be better to go to a sports bar and watch it there or stay at home and enjoy the game as the family, but all the luck to you and if you happen to snag a couple have a great time.
thanks, yeah it will be expensive, but theres no feeling like being there
i was at the two game 2s so far
tex in the 11th
then the 13 inning game wowww i was half frozen, but it was worth it
I Noe the prices for tomorrow Game will drop because of the rain.
I’d get them now. Once they clinch, people will (or should) jack up the prices. Supply and demand. StubHub also guarantees your money back if the game isn’t played.
yeah, your probably right, it looks like the prices have been rising, but at a minimum of 400. for nose bleeds (as of now)
im keeping my fingers crossed that they will go down some, maybe if we get some snow for game 1 ? lol
Also, while I have all the confidence in CC, anyone think that 3 starts in too many in a short series against one team? Hitters can perhaps figure him out if they see him too much, though I think he still has the stuff/repertoire to change his sequences up and dominate even if they do.
I hope this a moot point anyway.
Not against an elite guy like that. How many times did the Yankees see Schilling and RJ in 2001? Or Pedro period?
True. I was just wondering if it will affect him. It’s great to have a true ace with us.
+1
Not with a guy like CC. It is not like we are talking about RJ later in his career, Mussina later in his career, or even Wang in his prime. CC is a different pitcher and I and most Yankees fans probably want him out there as often as possible. WHEN the Yankees win Game 6 they can start CC game 1 on normal rest and GM 4 on three days rest and GM 7 (the most important game of the year) on three days rest. Everyone would probably rather see CC than AJ or Pettitte by a lot.
For my mental health, the Yankees NEED to win tomorrow! I really, really, really, and may I stress really, don’t want a Game Seven.
No one does I think. Even though there are people on the YES Message Board who think the Yankees have no shot (Seriously!!!). It is pretty bad there especially last night, if you want a laugh or two I would suggest reading some of the posts.
Maybe I’m an outlier, but I’m confident we can win a Game 7. We’ll have CC going up against . . . who? Jared Weaver?
If it was anyone else but CC, I’d be worried. But anytime he’s on the mound, I’m confident he can control the game.
I absolutely believe the Yankees will win game 7, should it occur. I just don’t want to deal with the stress of it. As it is, I’ve had stomach troubles all except for Wednesday.
*all week except for Wednesday.
Couldn’t have said it any better.
Yeah, I used to be like that. I was a nervous wreck in October from 1996-2004. Then we had the collapse, the 1st round exits and there really wasn’t much to stress over. Other than my overwhelming desire for us to get a modern baseball manager who pays attention to detail, which we did.
I have a lot of confidence in Girardi. Not that everything he does will work or that his move will all work out, but that he will do everything possible to see that it does. That’s peace of mind for me, knowing that we did all we could. I never had that feeling with Torre, quite the opposite.
i agree with you completely
Me too. I am over last night’s game mostly but am still kinda pissed. I want to get it done for my mental health but also want it to end because it’ll help us a lot in the WS.
These games are going to get me cancer or something. Yeah, I think the Yankees will win tomorrow of course. But ever since 2004 I’ve been bugging out over leads of all kinds. Every single game I feel like I am going to throw up or something (Yeah, I know, I am messed up) because I hate to see my team lose, especially if it is breathing life into a team like Anaheim. Also, in Game Seven, that 3-1 lead means nothing and it’s anybody’s game, so just so I can keep 10 years on my life, I NEED the Yankees to win.
take a few deep breaths
we got this
You forgot 2003 ALCS Game 6. He stunk. I remember because I was there, and had a silent drive that night back to college in…. Boston!
When I add a post to this site I go straight back to the top and have to scroll down. Something maybe to be improved on or I am doing something wrong.
I honestly have no idea what that’s about. It happens to me every once in a while as well. It’ll fix itself after a little while.
That’s something on our punchlist of items to fix this winter.
I use Firefox, and if I wait a minute it sends me back to the same spot where I was, after taking a trip to the top for a few seconds. Not sure if that helps at all, just FYI.
i clicked on something here a few months back to donate, based on yankee home runs, to a charity.
anyone know when we get an e-mail saying when/how to send the money ?
Yeah, I’m going to contact everyone who pledged after the Yanks’ season ends. Hopefully it’s later rather than sooner.
I’ve been slacking a bit on this, but I’ll take care it.
cool, thanks, yeah hopefully its after game 6 of the series, it has to go 6, we need to celebrate at our new home !!
MLB have the best playoff system in all of major sports in North America. Fact or Fiction.
Fact. Any team can beat any team in baseball once you get to the postseason, and something always changes from game to game, both being things you can’t say about any other sport in North America.
Fact, but only by default.
The other three major U.S. sports just let everyone in the playoffs. It’s like Little League, where everyone gets participation trophies.
It’s one of the many, many reasons baseball is the only sport I enjoy watching. The rest are all various levels of Suck.
i have always been a yankee fan, but going back maybe 15 to 20 years ago, football was my favorite sport. now i pretty much dont watch football until baseball, in particular the Yankees season, is over
i think im addicted to the Yankees. your right baseball is the only sport that matters, lol
Definitely fact. The NBA and NHL let way too many teams in, and I don’t like the bye weeks in the NFL. I just wish MLB would do away with so many off days. There’s no reason to be playing baseball in November.
Ugh, there’s this guy in my class (Rangers fan) who said the loss was all Swisher’s and Hughes fault. He said Phil blew AJ’s good start.
Since when does 6 ER in 6 IP mean good? Even one of the LoHud writers’ articles said AJ had a solid start. I know it good that he pitched well in the middle innings of his start but those beginning and final innings have to counted too. If someone gives up 7 ER in the 1st but goes on to shut down the opposing team for 6 more innings, it’s still not a good start. Most of the blame for the loss goes to AJ I think.
maybe something good will come out of it, hopefully jorge starts every game now
Oh yea, hopefully. That makes me feel better as you could add that to the silver linings of last nights game and there are already a lot.
There’s plenty of blame to go around. People have this incessant need to pinpoint a small number of fall-guys, and it just doesn’t make sense.
AJ had a mediocre start. One terrible inning, five good innings, and then the start of another terrible inning. Hughes had a bad inning, Girardi made some questionable choices, and Swisher missed a pitch he should have hit.
Yea, I know there’s a lot of blame for everyone. You could even put some blame on A-rod and Jeter for not hitting with RISP in their one or two chances they got. But I’m saying AJ deserves most of the blame. That was a horrible start, not mediocre. Those 5 good innings dont matter when overall you have a 9 ERA anyway.
Well, it was 4 ER for AJ until the other two scored. Still I wouldn’t call it a solid start when there’s 4 runs in right at the beginning. “A decent recovery until the 7th” maybe.
If Girardi leaves Pettitte in that game for a couple more batters and he gives up a hit and a walk, do people then criticize Girardi for leaving him out there too long? My guess is they would.
Of course they would. Don’t you know its the cool thing to blast Girardi now?
You should have heard some of these geniuses on Francesa’s show today. Pitch Mariano for 3 innings, pinch hit Hairston for Swisher, Robertson is our new primary setup man after 3 IP in October, on and on.
You find a play that didn’t work, and they all knew how to do it better. They were criticizing Girardi’s management of the team, yet these were their solutions. Oooof.
I can’t wait till he gets his ring(s). It won’t shut the idiots up, nothing ever will since . . . they’re idiots, but it will give me something to beat them over the head with. Which will be fun.
Yeah! Get with the haps, Daddy-O!
Ochocinco got fined 10k for wearing a black chinstrap. Isn’t that bit too much of a fine?
(I know its probably not too much for him but it seems like a lot to the college student in me)
NFL=No Fun League
also they are socialist bastards.
I prefer the term “Scioscialist” until the ALCS is over.
You are from Denver right? What school do you go to? CU-Boulder grad here.
DU
24ish hours till first pitch, damnnnnn, move clock, moveee
Yea, it sucks. I want to get the bad taste from last night out asap. This off-day does give me a chance to get back into my workout routine and go out tonight though so there’s that but it still sucks.
minor quibble, but the 2003 WS game should be taken out… we were facing elimination, not a “clinch” game
also, the alcs that year he pitched in yankee stadium after that david wells start in game 5 to try and clinch…. i know they lost and am too lazy to look it up but i believe he got knocked around
Joba rules are just getting ridiculous
http://www.theonion.com/conten.....rlain_gets
/sarcasm
Man I really wish the game were tonight. The wife is working late, nobody’s around to go out, no sports on tv worth watching, no movies on, no good netflix in the house. Sigh, the minutes just tick by…
God I am depressing myself.
If it gets rained out tomorrow does CC pitch game 6 on Sunday?
yes!
no! according to Joe Girardi
No way. Leave you stud for either the deciding game or game 1 of the WS.
No way, that would be a panic move, and we still have a game to play with. What sense does it make anyway? If you lose, you still have to pitch Andy anyway in Game 7.
Pitch Andy in Game 6, CC game 7 if needed. There’s no one I’d rather have pitch a Game 7 for me, and at least I have a chance to start him WS Game 1.
mike im paniking here! tomorrow is a must win. if we loose and have to pitch CC that will be awful because even if we make it burnett would start game 1 and cc can only pitch twice. do you think we will win tomorrow?
I saw “Paranormal Activity” today. I’m not sure what to think after seeing that. I actually laughed quite a bit through it. That said, I feel more creeped out than I thought I would.
I heard from some it’s was incredibly scary…
Then tohers said it wa slame and the trailer was the best aprt of the movie…
No idea what to believe.
It was a slight disappointment for me as far as scares but there are parts, especially in the latter half of the movie that do make you jump or at least make you go, “WTF?” It’s really more about buildup than anything else. It’s a little hard for me to judge as I haven’t watched a ton of horror films, let alone those akin to this.
I heard it was kinda lame.
A great friend of mine, one of the very best friends I’ve had in my entire life, bought a house with his wife a few years ago that was supposed to be haunted. They sold the place six months after they bought it because there was all sorts of weird shit going on.
They woke up one night, heard a noise, opened the bedroom door, and heard a baby crying downstairs in the living room. Another night, they were sleeping, and my buddy had a dream that something was standing over the bed reaching for them. He woke up when he felt something touch his leg, and his wife woke up at the same time. She said she had the same exact dream and woke up when something touched her leg.
I kid you not.
Whoa, that’s pretty creepy.
Wow. I don’t believe in “paranormal/Ghostly forces” but that sounds weird…
see, u obviously trust this guy if hes this close of a friend… but even if my best friends in the world or the ppl i trust the most told me a story like this, id probably struggle not to roll my eyes
its not that i think theyre lying, i dont really know what it is to be honest with u… but the bottom line is i cant believe stories like this until they happen to me
Oh, I didn’t believe him at first. But people don’t just sell there home six months after buying it without a good reason. Also, that’s a pretty big lie. It’s not like they told just me.
Ah, I see that you come from the Joe Morgan school of ghostly experiences: gotta see it with your own eyes.
Personally, I don’t believe ghost stories until I’ve seen the three-year average of the ghost’s performance. Give me the raw spreadsheet data of the ghost, and maybe I’ll get scared, but only if it’s justified by the stats.
this was kind of a reach, but…
::golf clap::
IETC
MVP comment of this open thread, buddy.
Enjoy it.
It’s weird. I wanna go, but I wouldn’t wanna go at the same time.
Just FYI:
Your info is a little off.
That 2003 WS game was not a clincher. The Yankees had two wins at that point.
Also, Andy started Game 5 in the 2001 ALCS and Game 6 of ALCS in 2003.
Counting Houston, he is 4-2, 4.14 in potential clinchers. His team is 6-4 in those games. He got a ND when Pujols hit that ball against Lidge that nearly a tore a hole in Minute Maid Park
Thanks Pete. That’s what I get for rushing through a post at the last minute.
Hey Pete, I’m sure you wish those guys well over at LoHud, but it’s just not the same without you. Completely different dynamic with 3 writers. Your LoHud was like reading a sports fan who had amazing inside access to the team, the new LoHud is like reading a small town newspaper.
Anyway, just wanted to let you know that you’re missed.
Speak for yourself.
them be fighting words.
I think we all speak for ourselves, that’s the point of having individual names yea?
For instance, when I say I would take rather read an article by Pete about the chemical composition of paint over any drivel that might spew forth from your mouth (or fingertips and the case may be), I am expressing my opinion, none other. Hence my name at the top.
Why so defensive?
Mike:
I happened to know because I had run all the numbers his morning preparing for my story for tomorrow.
youre doing stories on the yanks for a sox paper/blog?
It’s the playoffs, every paper covers the LCS’s and WS, regardless of who’s in it.
aka he doesn’t have the pull for a ticket to London.
Whoa, he linked to LoHud?
::head explodes::
Swisher went 0-for-Anaheim in New York’s past three games, and he’s now 3-for-29 in the playoffs, with just one RBI. He stranded four runners in Game 5, three of whom were in scoring position. His continuing struggles at the bottom of the Yankees’ order now have manager Joe Girardi contemplating a lineup switch.
“We’ll sleep on it, and we’ll make a decision what we’re going to do,” Girardi said Friday. “But Swisher is a good player and Swisher has done a lot of good things for us this year. And you look at the matchup against [Angels Game 6 starter Joe] Saunders — he’s had some hits off of Saunders.”
Swisher did have a walk and one of his two hits in this ALCS off Saunders in Game 2. In his career, he’s 5-for-21 off the Angels southpaw, with four walks, a home run and six RBIs.
http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com.....p;c_id=nyy
Girardi considering dropping Swish in the lineup or sitting him down. I’ll bet he sticks with him one more game.
Yamaico Navarro, Stolmy Pimentel, Michael Bowden, Lars Anderson and Josh Reddick is enough to land Adrian Gonzalez.
http://www.soxandpinstripes.co.....kelly.html
You heard it here first.
Boston blog writers have alot of free time and with the Yanks still poised to return to the WS , it looks like the crazy has set in Boston.
That’s a laughable package. When two guys in a package of 5 are guys I’ve never heard of till now (and i do follow prospects closely) are named as legit chips for an All-star 1B … its shocking. When the best prospect-name of the entire bunch is a 1B who failed to SLUG .400 in AA … its straight irresponsible.
An all-star 1b who’s signed ridiculously cheap for the next 2 years.
San Diego is so poorly run they would trade Adrian Gonzalez for Bucky Lagrange
http://www.adultswim.com/video.....id=vplayer
maybe we should get in on the bidding with Melky and IPK!!!!!1!!11!1
…there are crazies within all the fan bases who have golden sperm syndrome regarding their own prospects
Gotta question: Calf pain.
A couple days ago while running on the treadmill , i felt a pain in my calf that forced me to prematurely end the run. I stretched afterwards and didnt run the next day. No biggie. Today i returned to the treadmill , when 10 minutes in … the pain returned. BIG TIME. It hurts. It hurts when i walk and go up the stairs. Its kinda of a sharp pain. My skin is discolored … but damnit, the lingering pain has me worried a tad.
I’m kinda nervous i may have a calf tear of some kind. Does anybody have any clue as to how long I may need to recover from this calf injury?
If the skin is discolored, that’s a probably a muscle tear. Recovery time wold depend on how bad it is, but you should get it checked out.
That’s my fear. I’ve been having some issues with a knee, ankle, shins for a year now … on and off. But the pain has always subsided. And so i’ve kept running. This is different though. I’ve never had this amount of pain in my calf before … and its not like a do calf raises or leg weights … i dont. Shit. My luck.
my skin ISN’T discolored … [correction]
Ah, well then I have no idea. Take it easy this weekend, and see how it feels Monday.
they better win tomorrow night/sunday night if its rained out. because im spending my limited bank account on bleacher seats.
I am praying hard tomorrow in church for world peace and a yankees win in game 6
Don’t fail me now, mo
Hey guys, can someone show me how to get those graphs from fangraphs that show you all the locations of the pitches from a game and what they were called? I struggle navigating that site sometimes. Thanks.
It’s actually from Brooksbaseball.net
Oh, well that would explain my problem, lol. Thanks.
Okay folks. My Melky prediction was a success. I said he’d have a big ALCS, whaddyaknowlikerobbie, the Melkman had(has) a big ALCS.
I’ve never been a huge fan of Swish(strictly on field ability. his off field contributions to society are amazing.)
Swish will break out of his funk. It may be hard to tell in game 6 of the ALCS, but in the WS, he will kill it.
You’re welcome Matt ACTY, I’m now a Swishaholic.
I expect for you to now route for Leche like a a motherfucker!
woot! we got this tomorrow-night fellas!
I feel really comfortable with Andy in this situation.
Just a few other notes/predictions/thoughts.
I don’t like the fact that Tex seems to be heating up but has to hit from the right side of the plate tonight.
Saunders’ only wins against New York came in Anaheim.
Swisher is going to have a HUGE hit this game.
Posada should bat 5th behind Arod with the lefty on the mound. I’m ok with Matsui and Cano batting back to back against the lefty because both hit them well enough.
Your thoughts?