Rain postpones Game 6
ByPettitte to pitch Sunday; Saunders likely as well
Updated 6:55 p.m.: Due to a forecast that calls for rain until nearly 11 p.m. tonight, Major League Baseball has postponed the ALCS Game 6 match up between the Angels and Yankees. Game 6 will now start at 8:20 p.m. on Sunday, and Game 7, if necessary, will start at 7:57 p.m. on Monday night.
For the Yankees, this weather-related development could be a bad break. Instead of facing Joe Saunders tonight, the team will likely face Jered Weaver on full rest on Sunday night, and the Angels now have John Lackey available to pitch Game 7 on short rest. Joe Girardi said on Thursday — when he should have found a way to wrap this series up that didn’t involve bring A.J. Burnett out for the 7th — that Andy Pettitte will still start Game 6 with CC Sabathia ready for either Game 7 or World Series Game 1. According to reports, he is sticking with that plan.
We are hearing now however that Mike Scioscia will stick with Saunders in Game 6. The Angels’ manager is hesitant to use Weaver, a fly ball pitcher, in home run-friendly Yankee Stadium and likes what Saunders, a lefty, has to offer. Still, Weaver will probably be available out of the pen with Lackey tabbed to start Game 7 on short rest on Monday.
As Yankee fans may recall, this is not the first time the team has ended up on the wrong side of a rain delay. In 2003, Game 4 of the ALCS was postponed, and the Yanks could not then turn to Mike Mussina to start Game 7. In 2004, Game 3 of the ALCS was postponed, and the Yanks had to turn to Kevin Brown and not El Duque in Game 7. This time, they will probably avoid Joe Saunders and instead face the far superior Jered Weaver.
As for ticketing, fans with tickets to Game 6 — or home game three — will be able to attend tomorrow night’s game. Fans with Game 7 tickets — or home game four — will not be admitted tomorrow night and instead will go on Monday if there is a game.
For the rest of us, we’ll have to wait another 24 excruciating hours for Game 6. I believe the two teams could have played tonight but not until around 10:30 or 11 p.m. Major League Baseball and FOX did not want to wait out this storm system. Although I don’t really blame them for delaying this one, I wonder if they should have played this afternoon. The weather forecast for tonight has called for rain for the last three or four days.
Feel free to use this as an open thread for the evening. We’ll be back later tonight with an overnight post. Make sure to keep it kosher and review the commenting guidelines if need be. If anything else comes to light about the Angels’ pitching plans, we’ll let you know.
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UUUGGGHHHH!!!!!!!
well, at least i can work for five more hours without any guilt…
he says that now its at 8:20
Should have found a way? You mean by bringing in Phil Hughes, who ended up sucking?
This is fine for me, as I wasn’t going to be able to watch the game tonight anyway.
Little tougher for Hughes dealing with 2 men in scor pos than empty bases
He let up three hits before he got an out. So the results would likely have been even worse than letting Burnett start the inning.
That’s a bad argument to make. It reeks of the fallacy of the predetermined outcome. I would rather have seen Robertson started the 7th, giving way to Marte if need be, and then Hughes on a short leash with Mo ready for the 8th. But what’s done is done.
How can anyone say Hughes wouldn’t have been better starting inning? Like he’d put on mathis n aybar?
I too would rather have seen Robertson. But that’s the only real complaint anyone can make.
Hughes’ stuff and command sucked ass on Friday. That wouldn’t have changed no matter where he started the inning.
my beef is i thought he could have been pulled quicker–EVERYONE should have shorter leashes this time of year.
And then when the next guy gives up a hit, everyone will be blaming Girardi for burning through too many relievers.
Most of the Girardi blame is 100% horseshit, and it’s sad to see fans get so stupid when the postseason comes around.
So after posting a 1.40 ERA and a .86 WHIP in 44 appearances as a reliever this season, now Hughes has lost his role as setup man after 2 bad outings.
Dave Robertson, who had a bad elbow 3 weeks ago, has DOUBLE the BB/9 that Hughes has and a WHIP of 1.35, is now the primary setup man. Based on 3 good outings in the post season.
And Girardi’s the one who panicking. Gotcha.
Eh, he still had a chance to get out with the lead but then that bad pitches to Vlad and Morales happened.
And it was a walk and 2 singles. Not exactly hard hit
Vlad’s was a weak hit up the middle but Morales hit a sharp groundball. He was ahead 0-2 on Vlad but then completelty missed his spot and left a fastball on the middle-outside of the plate. And that walk wasn’t good either.
With how Saunders pitched earlier, I’d rather face Weaver.
Girardi should be fired either way
It’s the manager’s job to convince Bud Selig to start the game at 1 instead of 8. WHAT WAS GIRARDI THINKING!
/sarc?
Take a joke moron
Tone it down or you’re getting banned. There’s no reason to call anyone a moron. Please review our commenting guidelines.
I’ll ignore the unwise
All he asked was if it what you said was sarcasm. I don’t see anything bad in asking that. And it was hard to tell if you were joking or not.
What’s with the added comment? None of ur biz This ur site ‘salty’?? I’ll respect Ben n ignore before calling people out
Im not calling you out. I’m just saying that guy didn’t say anything to you and just asked if you were kidding. There’s no harm in that, and that doesn’t warrant calling him a moron at all.
Hopefully it is fairly obvious to most of us on RAB who the real moron was in this exchange.
+1
Thanks Ben,
I can’t stand commenting on the Lodhud threads because its filled with whining and trolls. IF this is this stringent here, this will be my site of choice.
Would love to join the game thread tomorrow with intelligent fans.
Bravo.
We run a tight ship around here. Try it out tomorrow night!
So does Britney Spears. So, Beware….
game threads beware…this is by far the best site ever, but the game threads tend to get out of hand at times….
Only when they’re losing.
good one
Are we so sure its bad news to face fly ball Weaver over Saunders?
Weaver is a much better pitcher than Saunders.
Maybe Scioscia will freak out and start Saunders anyway, (and then Kazmir should there be a Game 7), gotta have the lefty at the stadium!
Much rather face a Weaver in a clincher than Saunders.
AJ was at 80 pitches, and clearly blew that game, he s**t the bed.
No! What am I going to do for the next 26 hours?
I could use a good foot rub and a massage. My back is killing me.
Well, this sucks. This ruins all my plans. I had a shitload of stuff to do Sunday night and now my Saturday goes to waste. Gotta do some of the homework tonight.
What’s up with all the damn rain that NY has had this year? It seems like way too much. We’ve had so many games affected by rain this year.
Weavers on full rest now too. He started game 3
how can anyone say they’d rather face Weaver than 5+ FIP Joe Saunders. This again, is a bad break. Although you still gotta like our chances, the Angels should be feeling good to have their second best pitcher going now as well.
Not to mention, “big game” Lackey going monday. With AJ burnett going game 1 of the world series (eek) and pettite (on short rest) or (gulp) gaudin in game 2 (ouch).
This is bad, bad news. However, again, we will avoid these match up issues if they just take care of business and win game 6, regardless of when it’s played. The yankees still should win, and hopefully they will. But anyone who says this is “good” for the yankees isn’t seeing straight.
Agreed. I’ve been having this argument all day. Anyone who would rather face Weaver than Saunders in Game 6 and then, potentially, Lackey over Weaver in Game 7 is just wrong. Although there is a case to be made for preferring Lackey on short rest than Weaver on full. Still, I wanted Saunders for Game 6, and the Angels caught a break there.
Guess the Yankees are catching a break with scioscia over-valuing flyball tendencies instead of going with the better pitcher.
God forbid they built a retractable roof as part of the billion plus
Because of one playoff game? It’s not like we’re in Arizona, where it’s really hot; Seattle, where it always rains; or Milwaukee, where it’s too cold half the year. There was no need to build a retractable roof. Give me a break.
Guess u missed last week and all of April n may.
So the wettest spring on record — an outlier — means the Yanks should have spent another $500,000,000 for a retractable roof. I don’t buy it at all. In all of these discussions we’ve had about this over the year, I never have and never will.
Exactly. You do not prepare for odd events like this season. Also, wasn’t there some type of restriction of building a retractable roof due to the surrounding area?
They should’ve bought volcano insurance while they were at it.
And 2 games a yr for 50 yrs and a super bowl every 8 and final fours n bowl games n conventions etc. Not like it wouldn’t make it’s money back x ten
I don’t know. Just seems like good biz. Especially new giants stadium.
Two games a year + a SB every eight + let’s say 1 Bowl game a year
(2*50)+(8/50)+ 50 = 151 games, rounding up
$500M/151 games = $3.31M per game
They’d have to make more than $3.3M PER EXTRA GAME PLAYED FOR 50 YEARS to break even on the damn roof.
Actually, no, that’s wrong. The two baseball games a year it wold get used are made up anyway, so the Yanks made their money. It should be:
(8/50)+ 50 = 51 games
$500M/51 = $9.8M per game
You are forgetting the “Weird Al” Yankovic farewell concert YSIII could have hosted in 2018.
No retractable roof = so, so many lost opportunities.
Not like it wouldn’t make it’s money back x ten
If only the Steinbrenners could do arithmetic, there would be a dome. Sigh.
Exactly, what’s an extra 200-500 million. Stupid Steinbrenners.
And every game in bad conditions in comfort. Ur talking 30 + concerts a yr. Really don’t think they could make money?? A few Bruce shows. Billy Joel? No way they could make $??
Well, this blows.
Of course, seeing Weaver roll his eyes and stomp around the mound after giving up bombs will be a welcome sight. Joe Saunders just has a fat face, I can’t get any enjoyment out of that.
Damn, now I’ve got to deal with the emotional buildup again tomorrow???
Scioscia will over manage n go weaver over the guy who was dominating here in game 2
You mean, he’ll go with the better pitcher? That’s common sense, not overmanaging. Jered Weaver is good; Joe Saunders, despite game 2, isn’t.
U realize he could have went weaver ton on full rest right?
That was before the option existed to go Lackey for game 7. He wanted to save the better pitcher out of Weaver and Saunders for Game 7. Now he has the luxury of skipping Saunders and using both Weaver and Lackey. It’s a no-brainer really.
Why would he save anyone? It’s an elimation game
Because the Yankees are throwing their best pitcher in game 7.
Doesn’t matter, they need to go with their best n Game Six, because that’s the game they have to win right now.
If they held back their best pitcher for Game Seven, then lose Game Six, holy crap is that an epic failure.
That makes no sense. Assuming we’re talking about the same 2 pitchers, if the 2nd best guy can’t win game 6, why would he be able to win game 7 matched up against a guy who’s been absolutely dominant?
Saunders was 16-7 this year right? I think this is the same guy who dominated the Yanks in game 2 also right?
Assuming we’re talking about the same 2 pitchers, if the 2nd best guy can’t win game 6, why would he be able to win game 7 matched up against a guy who’s been absolutely dominant?
It doesn’t work like that. In a single game anything can happen, but if you have a better pitcher available, you go to him first.
Again, this simply doesn’t really make any sense. If I’m down 2-3 in a 7 game series, I have to win 2 games out of 2 either way. If I have 2 pitchers available to start the 2 games, they both have to win. I might as well match them upwith the other teamto give myself the best match up and maximize what little margin of error I have.
i bet NBC’s thrilled that its about to lose a huge chunk of its viewers for the Giants/Cards game or vice versa FOX to football,
oh man, talk about bad luck, if hey go to game 7 and the yanks win, CC won’t pitch til what, game 2 or 3 ? yikes.
The simple solution to that is winning Game Six.
you said it brother.
I really can’t believe they aren’t starting CC tomorrow.
Why? If u don’t think Andy can win u may as well quit now
Then you have no shot for him to get a WS Game 1 start. Why would you ensure that when you’re up 3-2 and have a very capable starter in Pettitte?
I don’t pitch CC until I have to. We’re not desperate, the Angels are.
Just win game 6 and there are no cc problems in ws
it just is so frustrating.. with so much advanced data available.. cudnt they have played it a little earlier…
now they dont learn and go at 820 tomorrow night… absurd.. on a Sunday you are up against football anyway.. i think CBS has the double header this week.. they could have offloaded any late football games to their sister stations..
Selig has no spine.. absolutely none..
But, really, if you look at the updates on LoHud, it was raining at the stadium by about 4:00 anyway. The likelihood of having finished the game with an early start is still pretty low.
What? Change the start time at the last minute? Are you serious?
Then all the people with tickets who heard for a week that the game will start @ 8:00 will be showing up in the 6th inning, since Selig moved the start time up to 6:00. No chance people might complain about that.
I love it when someone complains about something, and then offers a solution that’s 10X worse.
I have game 7 tickets, and now they correspond with my fricken midterm. They better win tomorrow night.
Ouch. I do too, but hopefully there won’t be a Game 7.
I wonder how much influence Fox has in a decision like this? This game could have easily been moved to a 4pm start if they had announced it early enough. But Fox probably wanted the 8pm primetime slot to bolster their ratings.
Imagine what they will be if its Lackey vs CC to see who goes to the World Series? Damn you Rupert Murdoch, damn you.
I think you’d be in the same situation, essentially. No way you’d be playing now, and even if they’d started the game, they’d have to finish it tomorrow. I suppose you could have only hoped that they had played enough innings to get to the bullpens and then let those guys fight it out tomorrow. But a Yankee loss would still force them into the “bad place” as far as the rotation goes.
Having this game moved from Saturday night to Sunday night is a BONANZA for Fox. Much higher viewership on Sunday, even with them going up against Sunday Night Football. They should get a big number.
Holy crap. As far as the pitching goes, Game 6 is now a veritable Game 7. Yanks win Game 6, all is well. Yanks lose Game 6 and win Game 7, the World Series is going to be a mess because, unless they want to go Pettitte on 3 days rest (which I can’t imagine they do, right?), we’re looking at a likely Burnett / Gaudin combo for Games 1-2.
Of course, I am putting the cart before the horse in a big way here.
Still, the Phillies might start Pedro in Game 2. Gaudin/Pedro could be an ugly pitching performance for both teams.
Advanced forecast calls for rain Thursday. Maybe if that happens, and Yanks make the Series, game 2 gets postponed
Waiting for tickets to be available on StubHub again. Definitely going tomorrow night.
A random though: I seem to remember that El Duque was pretty much unavailable for the end of the ’04 ALCS because of a tired arm / arm trouble, not because of a “days rest” issue. Is that correct, or am I confusing it?
I think he was unavailable due to the fact that he had a tired arm but would have pitched on full rest in the World Series with no problems. So it was a confluence of circumstances.
Yeah, that sounds right. I hate revisiting that period of my life, but it’s coming back to me now.
Why are we so sure it’s Weaver tomorrow night?
Scioscia could have started him in game 2, and chose not to due to his fly ball tendencies and liking the lefty in that spot.
I understand he’s a better pitcher than Saunders, but Saunders still seems like the better matchup for Yankee Stadium, no?
Agreed. I bet they go with Saunders tomorrow, Lackey in a possible Game Seven. Then you have Weaver available out of the bullpen both games.
He would have went weaver ton if that’s what he wanted to do
+1
I bet that’s how they play it.
And, not for nothin’, but it bears repeating: These f’ing playoffs are interminable.
Bud Selig needs to get kicked in his peepee for scheduling so many off days
Yo, Joe Girardi, you overmanage a bit, and I’mma let you manage a game six, but Mike Scioscia is the biggest overmanager of ALL TIME.
/kanye’d
I mean, Joe Saunders? Sucka got no juice!
/Jay-Z’d
Headline: “Umps choose Saunders for Game Six, Doom Angels”
/HalosHeaven’d
Awesome.
+?
Wow, supposed to be an infinity sign.
+ Infinity
but they’re wrong about everything so that’s no good
Halos Heaven. . . Halos Heaven . . . . isn’t that the place that broke the huge ‘Mariano Rivera throws a spitball’ story?
Saunders, eh?
Thank you, Mr. Scioscia.
Is it definitely Saunders?
It’s been pretty widely reported that Saunders is the guy.
This is all back to scheduling
why have a day off between games 3 and 4
the only days off should be travel days…
we could have had a game 6 on friday… instead of Sunday..brilliant
Why is everyone saying Weaver will go on full rest? He pitched in Game 5…
Throw day
I have a stupid question, i have never been to a game that was called/postponed
do the fans get their parking ticket money refunded.. is this too naive a question
No. You have to pay the parking fee again. The lots are run by a company (companies?) unaffiliated with the Yanks and they do not give a crap about the unfairness of it. Believe me, I know this firsthand. Something to do with the fact that you’re paying for a parking spot with the understanding that the game time / date, etc. is subject to change.
mass transit is the way to go
How awesome would it be to follow both Kikuchi and Chapman in the Minors next year (baby Jesus and Ajax too)?
Get on that shit Cash.
DAMN.
i got twenty minutes away from the stadium and then it was called.
thanks rain.
where were you coming from ?
Anyone else get pissed that the NFL games dictate the start times of every other sport? Yankees would play (God forbid) a game 7 on Monday at 5pm, not to interfere with Monday night football. are you kidding me?
It is definitely annoying. But football is such a ratings juggernaut (from what I understand anyway), there’s not much you can do if MLB doesn’t want to compete with NFL broadcasts head-to-head.
I blame the weather on Bud Selig’s kowtowing to the networks.
If we get hailstorms and snow for Wednesday’s Game 1, maybe this’ll all work out in the end.
Jayson Stark compared the Phillies to the late-90′s Yankees.
http://bit.ly/3PultV
Fact: The Phillies would have finished third in the AL East this year, based on both record and run differential. Plus there’s no Nationals to feast on in the man league.
Could they win a couple championships before they even compaare them to the yankees to the late 90′s.
As I said before, they are gonna get killed in the WS against the yanks.
I’d read that earlier. If things break right over the next two/three seasons the Phillies could have a chance, but maybe wait until the they get multiple titles and four or five straight postseason appearances?
Thoughts?
i hope they didnt start counting from 2 years back
without those collapses from the (NY Dodgers )Phillies aint winning the division…
however, they are a scrappy bunch and are watchable…
i agree they need a few more WS appearances to match the 90s run
“To beat them in October, you didn’t merely have to be better. You had to play better.”
That sentence is so mind-numbing. But not so much as Manuel’s belief that his ballplayers would rather stay with the Phillies than get paid.
Anyway, I think the Phillies could have a nice run in them but there’s a reason it’s so difficult for NL teams to win back-to-back WS and it’s called the American League.
I think that if MLB adds another off-day to the postseason, a rift in the space-time continuum will open up and devour Bud Selig. unnecessary off-days (Wednesday) just make you want to pull your hair out.
I am so bummed out over the game washout.
I’ve been in Boston this week a lot visiting clinets up there. That’s why I haven’t been here at RAB as much as usual. BoSox fans are so jealous of us Yankee fans this year. FUN!!
I just drove back from Boston to New Havwn, CT after visiting a client. I had it timed perfectly to be back by game time. I didn’t believe the forecast because last weekend the “weather experts” said both games were going to get washed out. And . . . we know that not only were the games plsyed but that we managed to get in an extra innings as well.
Tonight, after driving through a 160 mile car wash . . . NO F#%king game. I can’t wait until we play again. Anyone else feeling my pain????
Well, not 160 miles of pain, but the pain of slow torture. Yes. The clock keeps ticking and I’m like AAAAGGHHH IT’S NEVER GOING TO BE PLAYED! NEVER!
yeah, i hear the clock ticking but it doesnt seem to be moving
How is Halos Heaven considered a better blog than this one? Halos Heaven is like if alex gonzalez ran his own blog! I mean, they’re just RIDICULOUS over there!
they are so red-angel-eyed.. for a brief while i thought they were kidding..
It’s just so much of a joke it can’t be taken seriously. But it is. And it rated very highly as to the best baseball blogs on the web.
They’re calling the Game Five win historic.
How. HOW was Game 5 historic? Because the Angels won a close game? Winning a playoff game that doesn’t win a series is NOT historic. Ugh, why are they 12th best blog again? I can make a blog that just complains about umps changing the pitcher they put in somehow, criticizes people for cheating with no evidence, and overreacts with every win they get. Will I be 12th best? That’s what they did and THEY got 12th best! That is setting the bar so low it is in the 7th level of Hell. RAB is 100X better than that and even a Red Sox fans who despises anything Yankee would agree. It’s like Fox, TBS, and ESPN teamed up and made a blog under the name of the Angels!
Don’t give me any ideas.
Oh please, you kidding around is still 20 times as intelligent than those morons.
Don’t let your joking side stoop down 20 levels by going there.
Lol. That was pretty funny, I must say.
Rangers/Canadiens is a solid game right now.
It is, I’m an Islanders fan though. I just wish they could hold a lead!
As an Islander fan, you should hope you get a new arena.
Islander fan? Those exist?
this is confusing. there’s nothing that makes it possible to tell when the update of saunders pitching tomorrow came and whether or not its a sure thing. i’m assuming the correct info is saunders for tomorrow, but this could be written better
lol
It’s always something with you.
I don’t have any credibility at all. I am ran by, literally, a Rally Monkey. I don’t know what I’m talking about and I’m trying to appeal to the ill-informed and complaining fan about everything. Why am I the 12th best blog about a specific team on the web? I dunno. Who cares? Apparently not my writers and readers, that’s for sure. By the way, Game 5 of the 2009 ALCS will go down in history as the greatest game of all time because an underdog came back against a good team in the playoffs even though they are still down 3-2. No other game comes close! By the way, the umps are the reason why Saunders is pitching at 8. I heard that they like it when he pitches it in the zone so that they can call strikes. Wait, isn’t that any pitcher? Blasphemy! The umps forced Scioscia to make this move! By the way, Mariano Rivera does a spit ball even though he doesn’t do it right, the spit missed the ball in the “evidence” anyway, and he only throws a cutter. It’s great making something out of nothing to get viewers, isn’t it?!?! Why am I the 12th best baseball team blog on the web again? I mean, there is NO reason for that. Oh well. If the Angels lose next game, it will still be remembered as the team that stood up to the Yankees. This team will be remembered in history forever and ever.
Take a deeeeeeeeeep breath…
Put A Donk On It.
Is it possible for the Yankees to lose a game without Girardi being blamed?
Burnett should have been pulled after 80 pitches? Why do people keep making excuses for this guy?? First it was Posada, now it’s Girardi. Why can’t the Yankees number 2 starter be expected to get the Angels 8th and 9th hitters out?
Then, since Burnett couldn’t get the job done, Girardi brings in Marte with 2 on and no outs, and leaves with 2 on and 2 outs w/o allowing a run to score. Looks like a good move to me.
So, with runners 2nd and 3rd and 2 outs against the Angels #3 hitter, Girardi goes to the best reliever in the bullpen all year long not named Mariano. Hunter walks and Hughes is 1 strike away from getting out of the inning to Guerrero after getting a swing and miss on a nasty curve in the dirt. Posada stands up and asks for a fastball eye-level. What does Hughes do? Throw a meatball right down the middle of the plate. Blame Girardi for that too.
Burnett, Hughes, and Nick Swisher are the reasons the Yankees lost game 5.
I’ve yet to see ONE person 2nd guess a move that worked, since there have been MANY moves that could have been equally scrutinized. Girardi’s made 34 pitching changes, and only a tiny handful haven’t worked out. 2 of which were by Hughes, who was BY FAR the best reliever on the team this year not named Mo.
His bullpen has also outperformed everyone else in the playoffs, including the team were currently playing. But he’s costing us the series, one which were UP 3-2.
http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/t...../split/128
It’s all Monday Morning Quarterbacking. Everyone’s a genius after the fact. Send Joe your crystal ball.
“I’ve yet to see ONE person 2nd guess a move that worked,”
Really?
I’m pretty sure you haven’t been paying attention, then. Remember Andy getting pulled after 81 pitches in the ALDS? Remember Joe using Joba and Hughes for about 7 pitches each in game 2? They won both those games, and we still questioned those moves because they didn’t make sense given the data available at the time of the decision.
no.27 is right. I’m also getting a little tired of seeing Hughes and Joba shaking Jorge off. If I’m not mistaken, Jorge called for Hughes to throw the curve to Guerrero and got shaken off before totally missing the mark and serving up batting practice fastball. If I’m Posada, I walk out there and shove four fingers in their faces and say, “That’s one for each ring. You don’t have one. Throw what I tell you to throw.”
If it wasn’t the playoffs it would almost be worth it for Posada to pull a Crash Davis on the younger guys for shaking him off and teach them a lesson.
I wanna announce my presence with authority!
/Hughes’d
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