Nov
12
Rumor du Jour: Roy Halladay
ByThat Jon Heyman, he just loves tying every big-name pitcher to the Yanks. Today’s rumor of the day from Heyman suggests that the Yanks will inquire about Roy Halladay. The Blue Jays’ was infamously not traded this past July, and that non-move was the straw that broke the proverbial camel’s back as J.P. Ricciardi was fired by season’s end. Unless Halladay can be gotten for cheap, the Yanks probably won’t acquire him for the same reason the team didn’t trade for Johan Santana: Halladay will be a free agent after 2010, and the team will not pay for him in both prospects and cash. The career Blue Jay turns 33 in May.
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The Daily News had something similar today, about how the Sox and Yanks will get into a bidding war over Halladay. I’m betting he stays in Toronto all season.
No way he stays in Toronto all season. I think that the Blue Jays will hold onto him though until the trade deadline. They should be able to extract more value for him then.
you think they can get more for halladay at the deadline as opposed to now?
yes teams will be more desperate for help then, but your only going to be guaranteed a couple of months of halladay and then either slide him a fat contract or let him walk (ie: CC w/ the brewers)
obviously for most it depends on what it costs to get him, but there is no risk offering him arb because someone will sign him for big money end of the year so you are guaranteed the 2 picks.
No way, the longer he’s on the Jays, the more the price drops. No one’s paying more for 2 months of Halladay at the deadline than for a full season of him now.
I figure the Halladay situation plays out like the CC situation.
The Jays don’t find any offers to their liking now, they wait until midseason, some midlevel team (White Sox? Cardinals? Mariners?) finds themselves still in the hunt and trades one single solitary blue-chip prospect (surrounded by flotsam and jetsam) for two/three months of Halladay for the pennant run.
Here is the big difference between CC and Halladay, though.
The Indians thought they would be competing, which is why the Indians held onto CC until midseason. The Blue Jays have no intention of competing and should probably trade him now for a better deal (blue chipper + solid prospect instead of a blue chipper + flotsam at midseason).
Oh, I’m not saying it was the correct strategy for either team, just saying what I think will happen.
Yes, they’d get less by holding on to him until midseason, but they would still find someone who, like the Brewers in 2008, finds themselves firmly in the middle of a race they didn’t know back in April they’d be in and believe that they’re just one ace pitcher away from making a legit run at it and are willing to give up a LaPortaesque bat to get that final puzzle piece.
what he said. refresh fail.
Yeah. You’re right. I had a gap in my logical reasoning right there.
I dont really see how they get more from Halladay at the deadline than they do now.
1 season of Halladay>half season of Halladay.
Wow. Heyman. Wow. He is like the Fox News of hot stove. Just a straight propoganda machine for major agents. Seriously, when was the last time he didn’t tie a big-time player to the Yanks?
But then the agents always give him the big scoops on surprising results (see Teixeira, Mark), so we still have to listen to his incredibly irresponsible rumermongering b/c he provides big, truthful news about 10% of the time.
So frustrating. I wish I could just tune him out.
We’re definitely not going to give every single Heyman rumor credence this winter. I posted this one to point out, as you said, that the man is a propaganda machine. At some point, don’t his readers just stop believing him every time he ties these big-time players to the Yanks?
First Lackey, now Halladay. Who’s it going to be tomorrow?
King Felix.
LeBron James.
LeBron play center?
Chico Escuela.
I think many of his readers (especially Yankees fans) want to stop believing him, but then he does something like break the Teixeira story and we have to deal with the fact that he is not always blowing smoke.
But this leads me to another thought: In this insta-twitter-world, a sports reporter owns a story he broke for about .000027 nanoseconds. So then is it really worth it to read the crazy rumors that Heyman writes 97.3% of the time just so you can find out about a new big thing immediately the 2.7% of the time he actually breaks real news (or a substantial rumor)?
I mean you could find about Heyman’s “big story” about 2.7 seconds later from any of the Yankee beat writer twitter feeds or a 27000 other sources.
Maybe I will put this to the test and have a “Heyman free winter.”
*Sighs, shakes head, and admits to self that he will click on every bold Heyman headline he sees on CNNSI through the day pitchers and catchers report*
i love your use of the 2-7 combo in this post. it reeks of the 2009 world series
straight up da vinci shit right there
Wesley Snipes
Melky, Kennedy, and Claggett.
Git ‘er done, Cash!
And yes, I know Claggett is no longer with the club. It’s still a great trade.
No thanks. Our rotation looks good as is.
- Pardon me… what’s the “Soup du Jour”?
- It’s the soup of the day.
- Mmmmmmmmmmmmm… that sounds good. I’ll have that.
We should be stting our sites on King Felix AND Tim Lincecum
2013 rotation
Lincecum
Felix
Joba
Hughes
Burnett
CC will have opted out and signed elsewhere
Sweet just make sure we have enough money for Pujols Mauer Utley Hanley and Kemp kthxbai
CC wont opt out. He seems to like it here too much.
If the money is there, he will opt out. So far, every high-profile player with an opt-out clause has exercised it. That’s just the stark reality.
the opt-out clause is starting to look like a good move on Cash’s part, considering the fact that if CC opts out, we can take his money and spend it on Felix, whose free agency I believe comes the same year. It’s like having a top-5 pitcher in baseball for his 28-30 years, and then doing it again, except this time you get years 27 through whenever. I love capitalism.
“Today’s rumor of the day from Heyman suggests that the Yanks will inquire about Roy Halladay.”
(phone rings)
Anthopolous: Hello, Alex Anthopolous here.
Cashman: Hey fucknut, it’s Cashmeezy, baby!
Anthopolous: Hello, Brian. What can I do for you?
Cashman: Cold up there?
Anthopolous: Yes, it is a bit chilly.
Cashman: Ha! Shrinkage like a mug, huh? You little baby-dick muhfucka. Hey, you bitch-asses still selling Halladay?
Anthopolous: Yes. Are you interested?
Cashman: I’ll give you Eric Wordekemper.
Anthopolous: … Is this a serious offer, Brian?
Cashman: Naw, I’m just fuckin’ with ya. YOU CAN’T HAVE ERIC WORDEKEMPER, YOU COCK-KNOCKER!!! I don’t need to trade with your rinky-dink shithole Canuck organization. I BUY championships, muhfucka!!! Enjoy Vernon Wells and 4th place for the next 5 years… pussy. Cashman OUT!!!!
(hangs up)
… aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand, SCENE!
dammit. i just showered and changed into clean clothes, and then this happens. you’re a day-ruiner, tsjc
Heyman phoning this one in. It would be more interesting him rumoring that he goes to the Angles with the departure of Lackey.
I expect Heyman’s next rumor to be that we’re going to sign Lackey so we can trade him to the Jays for Halladay.
Two birds, one stone.
you forgot to somehow include Matt Holliday and Grady Sizemore
to be fair he started tweeting about it yesterday when the new gm said he would have no problem trading in the division. lol.
do not see how this is fair, relevant or lol-y.
Jon Heyman is full of more rumors than Regina George.
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Heyman is reporting that the Yankees will INQUIRE about Halladay.
Does anyone here doubt this will in fact be the case?
Heyman isn’t reporting the Yanks will trade for Halladay.
He reported the obvious and instead of just recognizing it for what it is some of you are falling over yourselves trying to discredit him.
THAT’s why Heyman is 90% “wrong” to some fans, because 75% of them don’t correctly comprehend what they are reading.
OK, who let Jon Heyman into this thread?
Heyman is reporting that the Yankees will INQUIRE about Halladay.
Does anyone here doubt this will in fact be the case?
Yes.
I doubt that we will, in fact, inquire about Halladay. Because we already did inquire about Halladay, we know what the price parameters are, we know they’re more than what we want to pay, we know Halladay is not a need for us, and we know we’re best served by sticking to our correct short-term and long-term strategies of rolling with what we’ve got and waiting for him to hit free agency and re-evaluating then.
I doubt we actually will inquire about Halladay. Anthopolous isn’t going to tell us anything we don’t already know.
“I doubt that we will, in fact, inquire about Halladay. Because we already did inquire about Halladay, we know what the price parameters are, we know they’re more than what we want to pay,”
Then I submit Cashman should be fired. Not for NOT making a deal for Halladay, but for NOT doing his job, which is to monitor player availability.
That’s the ONE thing he’s in charge of doing. To suggest Cashman should and will assume that the “price” for Halladay is the same as it was in mid-season another another GM is gross negligence.
Is it LIKELY that Halladay’s price will fit into the Yankees plans, probably not, but to suggest a person whose sole job is to make calls and monitor situations wouldn’t leaves me scratching my head.
This accomplishes what?
Then I submit Cashman should be fired. Not for NOT making a deal for Halladay, but for NOT doing his job, which is to monitor player availability.
But again, you’re missing the key point.
Not “inquiring” about Halladay now would not be an example of not monitoring player availability. Because we already know Halladay’s player availability. We know he’s available, and we know that his price is higher than what we are interested in paying for a frontline starter.
Because what we are interested in paying for a frontline starter is “next to nothing in prospects”, because A) we don’t have a NEED for a frontline starter at the moment and B) frontline starters will be available soon for a prospect cost of ZERO on next year’s free agent market.
The only way the price for Halladay makes sense for us is if it is in fact Eric Wordekemper, and we all know it’s not.
To suggest Cashman should and will assume that the “price” for Halladay is the same as it was in mid-season another another GM is gross negligence.
I didn’t say he assumes the price now is the same as the price last year. You know it’s lower. I know it’s lower. Cashman knows it’s lower. But, we all know that while it’s lower, IT’S STILL HIGHER THAN WE WANT TO PAY, even if it is lower that it was in the past. The price then, the price now, and the price during next season are all higher prices than we’re willing to pay. The price we’re willing to pay is NOTHING. We will be willing to pay that NEXT WINTER.
Is it LIKELY that Halladay’s price will fit into the Yankees plans, probably not…
Correct. Which makes this all academic. You want Cashman fired for not doing something that is academic and moot. That’s foolish.
To take a page from your own book:
But, we all know that while it’s lower, IT’S STILL HIGHER THAN WE WANT TO PAY
Says you. It might be higher than YOU want to pay, but you don’t know how far the price has dropped and how high Cashman is willing to go. I agree with you that I don’t think a trade is happening, nor do i want it to happen, but that doesn’t make you right about whether or not Cash should/will inquire.
“Says you”.
The last refuge of the man with no argument.
…Except you’re making an “academic” argument in a vacuum, predicated on the ideal there is only ONE reason to inquire about Halladay, of which you assume the Yankees have disqualified themselves for.
There are OTHER reasons to monitor the situation. There are in fact legitimate reason to feign interest, including potentially driving the price higher for perhaps the Red Sox (whose interest might be legitimate) or serving as incentive for potential FAs (Pettitte, Lackey) to want to want to deal with the Yankees sooner than later.
“You want Cashman fired for not doing something that is academic and moot. That’s foolish.”
Perhaps, if the argument was not in fact rhetorical…
I don’t want Cashman fired nor think he will be because I can’t for a second think of any reason why he WOULDN’T pick up the phone and make a simple inquiry.
The corner you seem to be arguing yourself into has NOTHING to do with your conclusions about the Yankees potential interest in Halladay (which I don’t disagree with), its your insistence in assuming how Cashman will very specifically act in light of the conclusions, which is just bafflingly unnecessary.
I’d hope we’d inquire… the price has certainly dropped since last time there were discussions.
Yes. His price has dropped from “too high” to “lower but still too high”.
FOR THE YANKEES…
All the more reason for Cashman to do whatever he can to drive the price back up.
But I forget, we’re talking about the resource sucking, shame inducing act of picking up the phone and asking a question.
WHY would a GM ever do such a thing..?
Cashman can drive the price up without actually inquiring as to Halladay’s availability.
As you said yourself, there are many ways to skin a cat.
So then I assume you’re sticking to your militant stance that there is absolutely no circumstance in which a member of the Yankee front office calls a member of the Toronto front office and the name “Roy Halladay” is mentioned?
So then I assume you’re sticking to your militant stance that there is absolutely no circumstance in which a member of the Yankee front office calls a member of the Toronto front office and the name “Roy Halladay” is mentioned?
“I doubt that we will, in fact, inquire about Halladay. Because we already did inquire about Halladay, we know what the price parameters are, we know they’re more than what we want to pay, we know Halladay is not a need for us, and we know we’re best served by sticking to our correct short-term and long-term strategies of rolling with what we’ve got and waiting for him to hit free agency and re-evaluating then.
I doubt we actually will inquire about Halladay. Anthopolous isn’t going to tell us anything we don’t already know.”
I very much doubt we’ll be trading for him, or that there was ever any serious thought on the FO’s part that we would, but to say we wouldn’t “inquire,” about him (which I take to mean an assistant spent 5 minutes on the phone with Toronto) is pretty ridiculous. I try to be relatively sober about FO stuff, but if no one inquired about the selling price on Halladay somebody needs to be out of a job.
eh, i think it’d have been more likely (and more productive) that someone in the yankees office called heyman than the jays. I’m fairly certain that all front offices are in relatively constant contact with one another, so to say that the yankees “inquired” about halladay I would think implies that the yanks made a call to the jays to specifically inquire about trading for roy halladay. This, considering the fact that the yankees already inquired about halladay three months ago, would seem unnecessary if the yankees aren’t actually interested in trading for halladay, which I think most reasonable people know they aren’t.
Thus Heyman is either using the word “inquired” to imply keeping in contact, which is something they, along with every other team, have been doing constantly since the invention of the telephone, or to imply that they have expressed genuine interest in acquiring halladay via trade, which most assume they don’t have.
My conclusion would therefore be that either this is something that heyman “made up” (the ambiguity of the term “inquired” gives him enough leeway for his journalistic integrity not to be questioned) due to a lack of real news, or that the yankees are playing a prohibitive role in the “halladay’s going to be traded” drama, to protect both next year’s market, and the diversification of their free agency options next year. I would say it’s a little of both.
He is being criticized for doing exactly what you say he is doing: taking something obvious and turning it into a 5 paragraph “news” story.
Not according to Ridiculous Upside he’s not…
I thin you’ve got something of a point, but I think it actually makes Heyman worse. Making stuff up would at least be interesting, taking mundane bits of due dilligence and passing them off as something worth reporting amounts to taking your readership for fools.
“taking mundane bits of due dilligence and passing them off as something worth reporting amounts to taking your readership for fools.”
And 54 posts later…
I don’t necessarily disagree, but I would argue it’s a product of demand.
The beast needs to be fed, and there just isn’t enough real “news” to sustain a 95-day, 24/7 news cycle.
Writers like Heyman feed the blogs, and yeah, it’s gonna led to a lot of empty journalistic calories.
My suggestion would be for folks just to recognize the situation for what it is. We’re going to see LOT of obvious and redundant filler over the next 3 months.
Hey there giys this my favorite post. I will not at all complain about a CC-AJ-DOC-Pettite-Joba rotation. Thats #28 no problem at all. Lets all hope Doc pulls a Randy Johnson and only is willing to go to the Yanks and we get him for 30 cents on the dollar. Paging Mr Burnett now is the time to call your old buddy.
Why did you capitalize Doc?
WHY THE $#%& DIDN’T YOU?!???!?!?
what the hell makes you think that getting halladay doesn’t mean giving up joba?
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