Dec
17

Report: Yanks wrapping up deal with Johnson

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Update (7:15pm): Ken Davidoff says the two sides are wrapping up a one year, $5.5M deal, pending a physical. Holy bargain Batman.

5:34pm: Via GAK3, the Yanks and Nick Johnson are getting close to an agreement on a one year deal, and it could be announced as soon as tomorrow morning. Johnson will get a chance to have a huge year by hitting a bunch of cheap homers to right with a ton of men on in front of him, putting him in position to go back onto the market next season and command some serious bucks.

On-base percentage is the single most important metric in baseball, and Johnson excels at it (.426 last year, .402 career). We’ve already written extensively about Nicky J. here and here, so you know we’re in favor of bringing him aboard.

Categories : Asides, Hot Stove League
  • SamVa

    Thank god, now we have a replacement for the Wang jokes.

    Homegrown I love it.

    • J.R.

      +1

    • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

      +1

      I can’t wait to write “Yanks, Johnson poke Red Sox”

      • http://www.facebook.com/dougchu Doug

        more like “Johnson, Yanks, smacks around Red Sox in an offensive orgy” amirite

        Welcome home NICK DA STICK

      • J.R.

        Or “Johnson pounds the sox”

        • SamVa

          “Yanks, Johnson come from behind!”

          • JMK THE OVERSHARE’s Milton Bradley Fat Park Factor

            WINNAR!!!!11

            • kei igawa’s sunglasses

              if we had Wang back it would be even better

              Wang and Johnson come from behind to nail Sox.

        • http://ghostcow.bandcamp.com Brendan

          If Wang signs elsewhere and Johnson has a big game against him:

          “Yanks’ Johnson knocks Wang out of the box”

        • JeffG

          Rivals But: DH to DH Big Papi loves Johnson.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

        Johnson pulls Yanks to explosion of runs against Pale Hose

        • http://www.facebook.com/dougchu Doug

          Johnson will provide stiff competition for opposing pitchers as he grinds out quality at-bats

      • http://dinosaursneverexisted.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/melky.jpg Drew

        “Johnson Yanks Sox out of contention.”

    • pete

      Yanks pull johnson for defensive relief
      oh damn he’s a DH isn’t he.

    • Jeremy

      Who knows, maybe the Yankees will decide to offer Wang a contract after all. Then we can see:

      “Yankees bring back Johnson, Champion Wang.”

      • Scooter

        Or…
        Johnson’s return leads to Wang tender

    • Marcus

      If you really have to shave your pubes, be careful not to Nick Johnson.

      • Mike R

        HAHAHHAHAHA

      • scooter

        This is all sorts of awesome

    • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ Nostra-Artist

      Nick Johnson is good, but nothing will ever beat this name

      http://www.rwjuh.edu/

  • Salty Buggah

    One year deal? FUCK YEAH!

  • jOEY tIME!

    This move makes ALOT of sense… a 1 year deal means you will get 100% from Nick (he will want to perform for a new deal)

    The real question’s are, will he be our #2 hitter? Where will Granderson hit??? And how long do we have to wait until we sign Chapman?

    • Salty Buggah

      I’d think Grandy #2 vs righties and Johnson #2 against lefties (remember the reverse platoon split). Could be either way though against most pitchers. I would go Johnson #2 with the tough lefties like Lester for sure.

      Flexibility FTW!

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

        Nah, limited upside to that move relative to downside. Fewer moving parts is better. Players like to be in the same spot in the order.

        1-SS Jeter (R)
        2-DH Johnson (L)
        3-1B Tex (S)
        4-3B ARod (R)
        5-C Posada (S)
        6-CF Granderson (L)
        7-RF Swisher (S)
        8-2B Cano (L)
        9-LF Melky (R)

        • Salty Buggah

          That works

        • JMK THE OVERSHARE’s Milton Bradley Fat Park Factor

          That lineup still looks very good to me. I’m not thrilled with Melky, but you know what? It’ll do just fine. It also likely fills the team’s said desire to give more rest to some of the regulars (assuming Johnson is not going to be playing 145+ games.

        • jim p

          ‘cept Melky (S).

          Gotta love the “no 2 batters in a row same side” lineup.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

            I have shamed myself.

        • Free Mike Vick

          Wouldn’t you want to split Swisher and Granderson because of the amount of strike outs they have??

          aside from that…Cano hits lefties very well…so having him behind Granderson isn’t really a bad thing.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

            Meh, whatevs.

        • Lanny

          They’ll go Cano over Granderson.

          • Angelo

            maybe, maybe not. Having Granderson in front of a few sluggers would be good, since he’s fast and he would get more pitches to hit.

            Of course im refering to Cano and Swish as the sluggers behind him.

        • dalelama

          Johnson is a serious downgrade from Matsui…OPS ok but no power…let me get this straight we replace a proven big time clutch power guy who we are afraid might get hurt with a guy with no power nor big game experience who has even a dodgier injury history…swapping Matsui for Johnson is a real bummer and disappointment for sure…

          • Phil McCracken

            I agree with this.

            People seem way too excited to see an injury prone Johnson back. I’m sure the Yankees questioned Matsui’s ability to be able to run for another full season on the base paths, but for 6.5M I would have taken the risk with Matsui over Johnson’s 5.5M.

  • A.D.

    Can’t complain on this move. Could still wait on Damon if they want, assuming the market for him continues to fall out and the Mariners don’t make a move.

    • Steve

      I could be wrong, but I suspect the Mariners’ supposed interest in Damon is nothing but Boras talk/leaks. The Mariners are building their team around pitching and defense. Not only is Damon’s defense atrocious, thus would not seem a fit at all, but his power outburst last year was so obviously inflated due to Yankee Stadium (he hit I think 17 of his 24 HRs at Yankee Stadium, all of them to RF). Safeco Field is a big park, Damon would be lucky to hit 10-12 HRs there. I just can’t see why they would want Damon, particularly with the outrageous contract demands Boras has made.

  • broooklyn ed

    hopefully by having Johnson in front of Tex will end his April slump.

  • vin

    Nick’s obviously a health risk, but he’s probably just as likely to get as many ABs as Matsui. Interesting acquisition. Puts a bit more pressure on Damon since Nick can easily hit 2nd in this lineup (as opposed to Granderson).

    • KK

      Matsui is fragile, but in an everyday sort of way… when Nick Johnson gets injured, he REALLY gets injured. You either get everything from him, or he’s on IR for months, unlike Matsui who would play the whole year at about 80%

      Cross your fingers and pray his injuries are limited this season. I still don’t want Damon back, but the Yankees probably do need to either shore up left field, or get some better depth replacements. If anybody on the infield is out for an extended period of time, things could get ugly.

      Anyone else afraid that Cash thinks Jamie Hoffman is the answer to Left?

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

        Anyone else afraid that Cash thinks Jamie Hoffman is the answer to Left?

        No. Not remotely.

      • vin

        No, I just think Cashman really wanted to get rid of Bruney. As it stands right now, Melky has to be the favorite, but it wouldn’t shock me if Hoffmann gives him some competition.

        • KK

          Melky and Hoffman are almost the same player, statistically (based on the minor league stats, since Hoffman’s major league stint isn’t really long enough to make a comparison).

          In the minors, both hit about .290, obp at around .330 and slugging close to .400. Baseball America has Hoffman listed as the top defensive outfielder in the Yankees system, so defensively he’s probably going to be about the same (more range, less of an arm?) I guess the only real difference is that Hoffman is a righty while Melky is a switch who can really only hit as a lefty.

          Frankly it seemed like a pointless move.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

            It’s not pointless, because the point isn’t “Is Jamie Hoffmann better than Melky?

            It’s “Is Jamie Hoffman more valuable to the 2010 Yankees than Brian Bruney?” The answer to that is probably an emphatic yes.

            • KK

              I don’t know, I guess I just feel like the bullpen seems barren, so I’m not sure if Hoffman would be more useful than having Bruney around.

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

                We’ve got lots of flexible, fungible arms on the 40-man to fill out a pen with. What we didn’t have was many big-league ready outfielders.

                • Lanny

                  Bruney? He was passed by last yr. They were probably going to nontender him anyway so you may as well get an OF you think has potential to stick.

      • sleepykarl

        Doesn’t it seem like the bulk of his injuries are of the freak variety from playing defense? The collision with Kearns and the line-drive off the face make it seem plausible.

      • dalelama

        I agree KK this is just a move to cover the Matsui debacle as Matsui with a bum knee still has played more games than Johnson over the last few years…Johnson is just a DH with the Yanks as was Matsui but with less power and no big game track record..but hey he can play first 5 times this year to rest Texiera..I am not impressed at all…we have just replaced Matsui with a substandard piece….

  • Jake H

    Love the signing. Now just get Chapman and I will be completely happy.

    • lebigyank

      +1

  • DP

    Nick Johnson was in the Yankee organization from 1996-2000….

    Core five!

  • http://www.wiredtowns.com Short Porch

    Totally awesome.

    I love bringing back Nick the Stick. He’s a Yankee farmhand.

    Now if we can only get the Cubs to cough up Sori if they pick up most of his salary. ;)

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

      I’m not really that interested in Sori anymore. He’s not the guy who used to mash for us; he’s quite pedestrian now.

      • lebigyank

        true plus we are all with getting younger and cheapah

  • Matcohen

    Yippee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I always preferred NJ – love the huge OBP. I was afraid that the Yanks would allow sentimentality to override sanity and sign Damon or Matsui.

    Johnson’s power should improve with a yea more of recovery.

    1 year deal – so if Montero is ready in 2011, he can split DH and catcher with Posada.

    This is absolutely terrific.

    • dalelama

      Wow, Johnson is a serious downgrade from Godzilla…hurt more, no big game track record, and less power…and with the Yanks Johnson is nothing more than a DH….a serious letdown

  • jOEY tIME!

    any word on the proposed dollar amount??

    • KK

      As long as it’s on par or below Matsui’s contract, I have nothing bad to say about it.

  • Evil Empire

    Oh boy!

    In somewhat of a twist of irony, I could see how Matsui’s deal with the Angels provided an impetus for Johnson to sign up with someone as well.

    Its very arguable whether a team would prefer Johnson over Matsui anyway, due to Johnson’s awesome OBP skills and Matsui’s old man knees.

    • KK

      The difference is that everyone knows Matsui is clutch under pressure. Johnson, on the other hand, has been out hitting in Washington and Florida, where nobody cares.

      • Evil Empire

        Arbitrary narrative

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

          Arbitrary narratives: almost always false.

      • Pasqua

        Yeah, nobody cares there. So neither does he, I guess. I mean, it only stands to reason. It’s a simple logic equation, really.

    • dalelama

      Matsui’s old man knees have gotten him thru more games over the past five years than Johnson..and Matsui has power…Johnson is nothing more than a USA version of Bobby (let me draw a walk to put the pressure on someone else) Abreu without speed or the ability to play a position other than Tex’s….

      • sciorsci

        So, just asking… are you completely unaware of the value of OBP, particularly in the #2 spot in the order? The guys he’s supposedly going to “put the pressure on” by taking a walk will be Teixeira and A-Rod. I can live with that.

        • dalelama

          Sure but would rather have the guy who drives in the runs and has clutch history aka Matsui especially after the story line we need someone who can play the outfield and less injury prone—Johnson for the Yanks is just a more injury prone and weaker Matsui

  • Patrick

    Any idea what the Yankees are going to do with Hinske or Nady? Or are both of them gone?

    • Evil Empire

      Nady could probably officially be crossed off the list. Hinske I think could still be very useful, filling the same capacity he did last year.

      • Kevin M.

        Why cross Nady off? Could be a very cheap option to play LF if his elbow is ok.

        • Evil Empire

          We already have Cabrera, Gardner, and Hoffmann. Given, all of them are easily replaceable and don’t have a bat nearly as good as Nady’s if he was 100%, but it seems doubtful that he is indeed 100% considering he’ll be only a year removed from his second TJS.

        • http://www.wiredtowns.com Short Porch

          30% success rates on 2nd TJs. Love to see it, but don’t think that’s going in Santa’s sack.

    • Salty Buggah

      Probably.

  • J.R.

    Smart deal for both sides. Hopefully Johnson gets some power back, but if not getting on base at 40% is great with tex and arod behind him.

  • Kevin M.

    Now wait for the inevitable complaints that he can’t hit second cause he’s going to “clog up the bases” with that .426 OBP.

    As if Mark Teixeira could possibly lap him (or anyone else) on the bases….LOL.

    • jsbrendog

      buster olney beat you to it.

      id link but it is insider and trash

      • Kevin M.

        Think about what “clogging the bases” literally means to realize how stupid it is.

        The only time you could ever conceivably prevent a runner behind you from taking an extra base is if you couldn’t score from second on a single where a runner on 1st would have gone from 1st to 3rd. It would be incredibly rare, and Tex is just about as slow as Nick J. is anyway.

        Give me a whole lineup of guys who are slow as hell and get on base 42% of the time and I’ll give you the best lineup in the history of baseball.

        • BklynJT

          Not saying that Nick clogs the base paths but it would be nice if he could score from first on a double from Tex or Arod. Damon could do that normally, I’m not sure NJ can. I would prefer to have some more speed in the 2 hole, but NJ’s OBP is hard to ignore.

    • Zack

      he did steal 10 bases in 2006, somehow

  • Reggie C.

    Hopefully Cash is minding his pennies with this Nick Johnson signing so to position a winning run at Ben Sheets. Johnson will find his groove behind Jeter.

    • Evil Empire

      Hell yeah. Ben Sheets would put a lovely bow on this offseason.

      So would Chapman!

    • KK

      Why does everyone on RAB like Ben Sheets so much? He was good but not spectacular when on the Brewers.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

        Ben Sheets, 2004-2008:
        134 ERA+, 1.095 WHIP, 8.4 K/9, 1.6 BB/9, 5.16 K/BB, 22.3 WAR

        Ben Sheets while with the Brewers: spectacular

        • Keanu Reeves

          Forget my comment. This is the truth right here son.

        • Omar

          “Infrequently Spectacular” is a better adjective.

      • Keanu Reeves

        I’m having a hard time figuring out why you don’t like him. The only reason you’ve given is a HR rate of around one per game.

        How about this for a reason why we like him so much:

        http://www.baseball-reference......4&t=p

        2004: 2.70 ERA, 237 IP, 264 K, .983 WHIP, 10 K/9

        That’s the kind of pitcher he can be if he’s healthy.

        • KK

          Mainly because I believe that the HR per game would go up playing in Yankee Stadium, and that I don’t believe he’s ever going to be truly healthy again.

          I will admit that he’s an upgrade to what they’ve got there now (and that he is better than Wang) but I don’t think he’ll come cheap enough to be worth it.

        • sleepykarl

          Yeah that was a Grienke 2009 year. Insane. I would love to see someone argue W-L being a stat reflective of a pitcher as he was 12-14 that year.

  • SamVa

    I bet Granderson is like..
    “YES I’M THE NEWEST YAN….. AWW”

    Didn’t take too long..
    this offseason has been pretty enjoyable I must say..
    Time to lock up Sheets.

    • Salty Buggah

      That’s how CC, and then AJ, felt last year.

  • Johan Iz My Brohan

    Take that Scutaro and Cameron, we got Johnson and Granderson!

    • JobaTheHeat62

      but how do we respond to lackey??

      Please sign sheets, please!!!!!!!

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

        but how do we respond to lackey??

        Phil Hughes + Joba Chamberlain

        • Evil Empire

          BAM!

          One of those two does his job and holds down the #4 spot and our rotation is right up there with anyone else’s.

          Its an exciting but risky proposition, trusting those two to hold down the back of the rotation. They’re MAJOR X-factors. I’m all for it considering Ben Sheets is probably not an option.

          • ColoYank

            Hughes is an X-factor, yes. But Joba should be exempt from that judgment, I think. He started 31 games very competently, especially for a 23-year-old. His performance suffered when they messed with his schedule, but still, the Yanks went 20-11 in his starts.

            • dudes

              he was solid up until the 100 innings mark, then tapered off as he found himself deeper and deeper into new physical territory. i expect good things from him this year.

      • KK

        It just seems like Sheets is the same as Wang but with more strikeouts and homeruns given up (it mainly balances out). Unless you’re getting Sheets really cheap – and I don’t know if that’s the case.

        I’d rather they spend the money on Chapman (if they can straighten out his control, he could be a lefty reliever for this season and maybe transfer to a starter over the next year or two) and see if Duscherer wants to be a Yankee.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

          It just seems like Sheets is the same as Wang but with more strikeouts and homeruns given up (it mainly balances out).

          It doesn’t.

        • Keanu Reeves

          Is HR allowed the only Ben Sheets stat you know?

    • dalelama

      dude you forget a small detail…Lackey…LOL

  • JobaTheHeat62

    very nice…perfect player for this Yankee lineup. to me i think granderson and nick make this lineup better than matsui and damon did, then again that lineup won the world series so time will tell.

    • Mike Pop

      If Granderson goes back to 07 level(I know, unlikely) then most definitely, these two outproduce Damon and Hideki.

      • Salty Buggah

        Even if he doesn’t. He’ll at least equal Damon when you factor in defense. He has to rebound at least a little though, so that’s even better.

      • Tank the Frank

        I think Granderson definitely rebounds. He’s too good of an athlete. He’s a player that will be helped by Yankee Stadium A LOT…both offensively and defensively.

        • KK

          He’ll hit for more power, but the dude strikes out a lot. Hopefully on the Yankees, he’ll be around enough players who can teach him some patience.

          Either that or he and Robbie Cano can both flirt with the ridiculous .300 average with .350 OBP, frustrating many.

          • dudes

            i’ll live with that considering the other bats in the lineup.

      • dalelama

        But it should have been Granderson and Matsui…..

  • Guest

    Jeter
    Damon
    Tex
    Arod
    Johnson
    Posada
    Granderson
    Swisher
    Cano

    Check please. Man that, right field porch would get OWNED by this lineup.

    • SamVa

      I think Damon is out of contention now.
      Which is fine by me, love him, but he wants far too much $$$

      • Guest

        You’re almost certainly right, SamVa, but I am still holding out hope that the market drives him back into the fold…

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

          Given his demands and our reluctance to meet them, plus our now lack of need, I don’t think the market would remotely push him back into OUR fold.

          The market may make him take a 2/16 or something from someone like the Giants, but he’s not going to accept that from us, nor would we offer it.

          The 2/24 from us is now off the table (if it was ever on). So, likely, are the 2/20, 2/18, and maybe even 2/anything.

          • SamVa

            you think there is any shot we end up with damon?
            I mean what would be our reasoning now unless we get him on a 1 year deal somehow which I just don’t see anyway.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

              No.

      • Mike Pop

        With you here. If Johnson is signed, I’m perfectly fine with Melky in LF.

        Every position doesn’t need an above average bat. Melky is fine out there, considering the improved defense.

        • sleepykarl

          Melky is capable of a average CF bat, and Granderson is an above average LF bat, so the equation works.

      • JobaTheHeat62

        just think how crazy it would be if we signed damon…obviously it would require a large pay cut at this point, but crazier things have happened. what a lineup that would be be, only negative would be Damon as the primary LF with his awful defense and noodle arm.

        i love the nick johnson signing, but i will miss johnny damon…when he joined us from the red sox i thought it was so cool. i kind of hoped he finished his career with the Yanks.

    • Guest

      Before someone beats me to it, yes Johnson would probably make much more sense in the two-hole than Damon; I just think its unlikely that Girardi would move Damon out of the two hole if we resign him.

    • Dan

      Damon is unlikely though…

      • Kevin M.

        Damon will be very likely once he realizes nobody is even going to match our current offer from him, hever mind pay him his pipe dream of $13/mil per for 4 years.

        • pete

          yeah but even the yankees won’t match their current offer if they sign johnson, i’d think. My guess is that with johnson the offer goes down to 1 year w/ an option, at either $9 apiece or 10 and 8. There’s nowhere near enough need for damon if they have johnson on the team to let him get anywhere close to what he wants, and once the assumption that the yanks have the prohibitive offer of 2/$20-22 on the table goes away, other teams (Giants, Mariners, Rays) might jump in. In my opinion, Damon’s not worth what he’ll cost unless that’s around $3 million. This team is offensively stacked already, and his defense will hurt, and his salary will prohibit the yankees from investing in starting depth, which, with the addition of Johnson, becomes waaaaayy more important than not having a 100 OPS+, +5 (at least) UZR guy batting ninth, which would be the alternative to signing damon.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

          Even when his market collapses, he’ll still take an offer from someone else. He’s too prideful to come back to NYY at a massive paycut. It’s why Hideki left, it’s why Abreu left, it’s why Bernie retired, etc.

          We are now in a position to lowball Johnny, and we will, and it will cause him to take someone else’s lowball offer over ours, even if it costs him another ring.

          • BklynJT

            You could of said the same thing about Pettitte, but he came back to us last year on a contract that completely favored the Yankees. Did we even offer Abreu a deal? Did we even offer Hideki a deal? I’m not sold that they left because of pride, Matsui (or his agent) said himself that he didn’t want to wait around for the Yankees and lose his chance to sign with a team.

    • jsbrendog

      pssssst. come ere……

      damon isn’t on the yankees

    • Salty Buggah

      Gangstas Row

    • Kevin M.

      I definitely would not bat Cano 9th.

      Try:
      Jeter
      Damon
      Tex
      A-Rod
      Cano
      Posada
      Johnson
      Granderson
      Swisher

      • KK

        Granderson should probably bat ninth. He’s got enough speed to play as a secondary leadoff ahead of Jeter.

        Not that it makes a huge difference, the bottom of the lineup looks like the top of the lineup for a lot of teams.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

          Granderson should probably bat ninth. He’s got enough speed to play as a secondary leadoff ahead of Jeter.

          :: mouth agape ::

          I’m going to go out on a limb and say you don’t like Curtis Granderson and aren’t bullish on his prospects here.

          Curtis Granderson: better than a #9 hitter

          • KK

            I actually do like Granderson. It’s just that I don’t believe in putting your worst hitter in ninth. I’d rather have the weakest hitter batting 7th or 8th.

            He is better than a #9 hitter, but so is pretty much everyone in that lineup.

            • Zack

              Why would you want your weak hitter to get more PA than a better hitter?

            • BklynJT

              Is that you T. La Russa?

    • pete

      I don’t see damon coming back bro. That would mean putting them over their roster budget without doing anything to improve SP. Going over budget means taking money away from someplace else (i.e. Chapman), and you don’t do it just to bring in more offense at an unreasonable contract and defense so much worse that it practically takes away all of the offensive benefit anyway.
      Jeter
      Granderson/Johnson
      Tex
      A-Rod
      Posada
      Granderson/Johnson
      Swisher
      Cano
      Melkner

      would be a good 10-13 million dollars cheaper, and, defense included, come close to approximating that production. through in the possibility of signing someone like sheets with some of that extra cash, and it’s clearly the smarter move. LOVE this signing.

      • Kevin M.

        You might be right….but there are options between Gardbrera and Damon. Nady, even Hinske, etc.

        • JMK THE OVERSHARE’s Milton Bradley Fat Park Factor

          Nady and Hinske are not in the mix for a starting gig. At all.

        • pete

          I would say that nady, given the injury, is probably not BETWEEN gardbrera and damon, but rather beneath both of them. And hinske isn’t even close, defense (as it should be) considered.

      • JMK THE OVERSHARE’s Milton Bradley Fat Park Factor

        In fairness, they may use the rest of their IFA budget for Chapman, and if his p/y is too much, may draw a small fraction out of the ML roster.

        Everything else, TOTAL AGREEMENT, BRO!

      • Reef

        these are the yankees, remember? they just built a cash cow of a stadium. they don’t operate on a budget and never have, never will.

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  • Brooklyn Ed

    seriously can’t wait for Johnson – Teixeria – Roriguez making the pitcher work. its going to be a nightmare for them.

    • Mike Pop

      +1

      That would be ridiculous.

    • SamVa

      then there’s that jeter guy…

      • Keanu Reeves

        Right but Jeter doesn’t really work counts like those three do. Not that it matters, a first pitch base hit is fine with me too.

    • Salty Buggah

      At least 45-50 pitches seen by those 3 almost every night

      • SamVa

        luckily we have Cano to balance it out nicely for us.

        • Salty Buggah

          You may be kidding but even Cano doesn’t. EVERY player in our lineup is patient except Robbie and Melky. And even their OBP’s arent bad.

        • KK

          Hahaha, even if his OBP is only .350, his slugging is usually over .500, so I don’t think it’s too bad. If you take out the 2007 season, which looks like a blip based on his career, the guy is a monster at 2B

          • pete

            you mean 2008 i assume.

            • KK

              Sorry, yes I do.

      • Brooklyn Ed

        hopefully by having Johnson, it could end Texieria’s april slump.

        • dalelama

          Bill James has proven that to a big league hitter it doesn’t matter who hits behind them…..

          • BklynJT

            His general proof doesnt mean much in Tex’s case. Every player is different and we shouldn’t try to paint every with the same broad brush (courtesy of M.Kay)

    • Evil Empire

      Not to mention Swisher toward the end of the lineup. He tends to be in the top 5 in the entire league for P/PA

      • Brooklyn Ed

        agreed. Swisher to the 5 hole depending on the pitcher? now that’s going to be hell for the pitcher.

        • Evil Empire

          Heh, that’s an interesting proposition. I’m not sure if you could base a lineup on sheer P/PA #s, but it does have an almost sneaky-evil appeal to it.

          • Brooklyn Ed

            hehe, I want to mention Jeter but he’s a free swinger most of the at times that just get hits. first 5 batters, its going to HELL.

  • http://aol Rob

    Now, go get a decent upgrade in LF (Byrd or DeJesus) and the offense and defense are set. Sheets and Douchebag to the rotation.
    Call it an offseason.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

      Now, go get a decent upgrade in LF (Byrd or DeJesus)

      No.

      Sheets and Douchebag to the rotation.

      Overkill, and highly unlikely.

      • DP

        He thinks Joba is a douchebag.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

          Oh, well, in that case, soldier on.

    • SamVa

      I would say we are pretty good in OF.
      We have that rule 5 character who is supposedly the best OF defender in our system (per baseball america)
      and we have gardbrera, probably one of which will make the team, maybe two. If they both make it you end up with the Melk-man starting and Gardner doing what he does best as the SB guy.
      I actually would enjoy having a solid outfield defensively.. (aka no Damon)

      • Tank the Frank

        +28

    • Evil Empire

      Byrd = NO!!!!!!!!!!!

      DeJesus = probably too steep of a trade

  • DP

    *phone rings at Boras’ office, where Damon is hanging out for some reason*
    Boras: Hey Johnny, it’s Cashman for you.
    Damon: Yes! He’s gonna give me that 3 year deal I want!
    *picks up the phone*
    Damon: Hello?
    Cashman: Hey Johnny, how’s it going? Remember how we offered you 2 for 20?
    Damon: (eagerly) Yeah?!?
    Cashman: Well, we’re changing it…
    Damon: Really?!?! I knew it!
    Cashman: Yeah, uh, now it’s 1 for 8.
    *Damon starts crying as Boras hangs up the phone for him*

  • Mike bk

    i personally would have preferred a bigger bat or someone who gave us more positional flexibility but maybe it being the 2nd year he will gain some strength back form the wrist and w the short porch hit 15 out while maintaining his obp.

    • Evil Empire

      .400 OBP = pretty friggin’ big bat

      • Mike bk

        no it means really good eye. big bat meaning hr and rbi producer. 8 and 62 is not that, but the walks will create runs and rbi chances for tex and a-rod.

        • Evil Empire

          RBIs are not the proper way to evaluate players, its a context-sensitive statistic.

          HR wise, Johnson should project to hit 20+ HR this season by most evaluations I’ve read

        • SamVa

          he played on the nationals and marlins..
          First off, if you played for the Nationals would you even WANT to produce runs?
          I mean.. don’t get me wrong.. they are the closest team to me geographically so I try to watch some of their games when they are on.. but unless you are playing for something why go for the extra rbi’s? he is about to be in the most productive line-up in baseball… you have a guy who had 200+ hits somewhere between the 7-9 spots.. call me crazy, but I’m pretty sure he can drive in more than 62 rbi’s this year.. I’m going to go with much much more.

        • JGS

          Derek Jeter only drove in 66 this year but was more than plenty productive. Johnson’s 2009 OBP was 20 points higher than Jeter’s, which itself was over .400

          That is production

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

      i personally would have preferred a bigger bat

      Nick Johnson, wRC+, 2005-2009:
      139, 152, N/A (DNP), 129, 130

      Nick Johnson, when healthy: A big bat

      • Mike bk

        iso .114

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

          wRC+ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ISO

        • Keanu Reeves

          More recovery time from wrist injuries + short porch in right = more iso.

  • JMK THE OVERSHARE’s Milton Bradley Fat Park Factor

    **Jersey Shore fist pumps**

    • Tank the Frank

      Nick Johnson’s new name is The Situation.

      • JMK THE OVERSHARE’s Milton Bradley Fat Park Factor

        Haha, his real name renders a nickname unnecessary, but I like it.

  • mr yankee

    Now we are talking, Nick is perfect for this lineup good obp decent pop and does not strike out. I like this signing a lot. Now we get Sheets and I am good. The only negative would be if the Sox got Adrian Gonalez and Matt Holliday. I would be shocked were that to happen.

    Why would you trade Adrian Gonzalez now anyway? would it not make sense to let teh season begin see if a-the Padres can contend in a weak nl west. B-See what other teams are interssted as the year progreses? Braves, Mariners, Dodgers, Angels?

    • DP

      I agree with most of this except for one thing: the Padres as currently composed would have trouble competing in the Eastern League.

      • mr yankee

        I suppose so but really they have some talent there and I think you have to give your team a chance. They dont have to trade Gonzalez. Short money and your fans love him. I would let the team have a shot if they star to get buried early on then I would make him available. By then I think more teams will offer deals. Remeber at 10 mill for two seasons any team could afford him.

    • http://threequarters.cementhorizon.com/archives/kool%20aid%20man.bmp The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

      re: Adrian Gonzalez… The good reasons to keep him (that he’s awesome and he’s cheap and signed through the 2010 season with a cheap club option for 2011) are also good reasons to trade him in that they make him very attractive to other teams. He’ll never be as valuable to the Padres on the trade market as he is today.

      I get why the Padres wouldn’t want to deal him, believe me… I just think maybe we get a bit carried away looking for reasons why a deal with Boston wouldn’t happen because we don’t want to see it happen. Given the moves the Sox have made already this offseason, I wouldn’t be shocked to see them offer their farm for Gonzalez, and I wouldn’t be shocked to see the Padres accept that offer. This guy is a golden ticket on the trade market for the Padres. We’ll see.

      • mr yankee

        With his contract many other teams could afford him and why limit yourself to one team. I would think wait for the season to begin let other teams get a-desperate and b-injuries and see what happens.

        • http://threequarters.cementhorizon.com/archives/kool%20aid%20man.bmp The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

          Oh sure, I’m not saying they have to trade him this offseason. I just don’t think it’s as much of an impossibility as a lot of Yankees fans like to tell themselves.

          • mr yankee

            for the package I mentioned below yes I would think the Padres might consider that group. Were Theo to make this deal his farm system is gone and anyone living in the Boston area knows how much he loves his “guys” I am not saying it wont happen, but remember the Beckett deal was againt Theo’s wishes and was made while he quit temporarily.

            • http://threequarters.cementhorizon.com/archives/kool%20aid%20man.bmp The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

              So… You agree with me. Cool.

              (I’m not talking about whether Boston would cough up whatever San Diego is going to demand, I’m just saying this idea, that I’ve seen discussed here ad nauseum, that it makes no sense for the Padres to deal Gonzalez, isn’t necessarily accurate.)

              • mr yankee

                I think they have a decent pool of talent, now is it enough to compete this year? no. is it enough to compete next year if they make a few moves? maybe. I would want to build the team around Gonzalez. If I could not do that I make him avaiable at the trade deadline this year. I guarantee you get a better return. Also if they can compete its not like San Diego could not attract FA. I mean it is a pretty nice play to play ball and live.

                • http://threequarters.cementhorizon.com/archives/kool%20aid%20man.bmp The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                  Yup to all of that. And yet, my point stands. Adrian Gonzalez is an incredibly valuable trade chip right now, so it’s not like there are absolutely no reasons for the Padres to consider moving him.

                  Your points are all well-taken, but we’re not really participating in the same conversation.

      • mr yankee

        Also if Theo will give up Ellsbury-Bucholz-Bard-Kelly then he can have AG. If I were Hoyer that is what I would demand.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

      The only negative would be if the Sox got Adrian Gonalez and Matt Holliday. I would be shocked were that to happen.”

      (thinks)
      (realizes mryankee just thought about the situation holistically and made a hypothetical situation but then calmly and logically debunked it as unlikely)
      (realizes mryankee has just turned an intellectual corner to a wider and more accurate understanding of the world)

      :: head explodes in a mixture of shock and joy ::

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnHksDFHTQI

      • mr yankee

        Now I did not come up with that theory, that was the Yankee Universe. Funny but on WEEI there is not a tremendous amount of joy with Lackey being signed. Essentially getting the money that Bay would have gotten. Interesting to see if Hoyer does what I think he should do.
        A-Give his team a chance to win with Gonzalez.
        b-Wait for the market to expand as teh season progresses
        c-Mariners-Angels-Dodgers-White Sox might have 1b needs and might be willing to drive up the price for AG
        at this contract any team could afford Adrian Gonzalez.

        • Mike bk

          I think the Mariners might make a legit run at Adrian. Saunders, Trunifel, Morrow would be a great start. Put Adrian in the lineup w Ichiro and Figgins in front of him and combine that with Lee and Felix and it’s a legit contender.

          • pete

            they’d be a crraaazzily top-heavy team though. It would be interesting to see, though, if top-heavy ness can compete when complimented by amazing defense.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

          Now I did not come up with that theory, that was the Yankee Universe.

          I don’t care where you got it from. I’m just thrilled you read it, understood it, accepted it, and disseminated it to others.

          This is a great day. You have restored my faith in humanity. You’re my new favorite poster.

          • Evil Empire

            First The Great Bo Truce of 2009, and now new-found respect for mr yankee.

            This day has truly been one of peace and understanding.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

              Was it a truce? I think it was more of an armistice.

              For the record, he has yet to respond to Joe’s comment with any type of public pledge to not do it anymore like I did.

              But whatevs.

              • Evil Empire

                Truly, it was more of a “STFU, dumbass” but, y’know, I wanted to make it sound more epic and cool.

        • JMK THE OVERSHARE’s Milton Bradley Fat Park Factor

          Gonzalez could probably be had by the Sox this year if they wanted. He definitely boosts this team tremendously. However, they have a tight payroll now, need to re-sign some players in the next few years, and would ship out some really good prospects to get him. That doesn’t really fit their MO.Few of the other teams can offer the prospects needed to grab A-Gonz. The Angels also already have 1B covered.

          The Dodgers haven’t spent anything on picks the past few seasons. They have a pretty bare cabinet; the M’s are still dealing with Bavasi’s reign AND just gave away some guys in the Lee trade.

          The White Sox and Angels don’t have a lot of depth, either, but have some attractive young guys.

          • mr yankee

            I could go on, Indians and Rangers. If the Lowell trade falls apart then the Rangers make a lot of sense. The point is this will be Hoyer’s most important move. He cannot blow it and I think he has the luxury of time.

            • JMK THE OVERSHARE’s Milton Bradley Fat Park Factor

              Rangers and Indians makes sense, except management on the Rangers changing and the Indians…being the Indians.

              Rangers have the deepest, most talented farm system in the game. The Lowell trade is, in my mind, a non-factor. They could deal for him and Gonzalez, and still have a really good, talented farm. They’re best capable of weathering that kind of loss.

              • Mr.Jigginz

                And,if I’m correct, Gonzo is of Mexican descent and there are a LOT of Mexicans in the Texas area.He could be a very positive factor for ticket sales,just in time for the new owner/management to step in.

  • aj

    So is this it for Johnny Damon, if so are the Yanks setting up for Crawford or Jayson Werth next year? If that’s the plan, I like it. Or maybe Yanks want to keep payroll low so they can be in on Cliff Lee or another starter next year.

    • Mike bk

      if this budget is a new thing and 200 is the rough target each year i dont see us being too big in FA next year either seeing as how Jeter and Mo will be back, so only really Nick and Andy are coming off the budget, but at the same time Granderson, Swish and Cano will get an extra 6 mil combined, Joba and Phil will also be arb eligible i believe.

      Maybe Jeter and Mo take a pay cut and that frees up more money, but not sure on that.

      • mr yankee

        I dont buy that if there is a player they need they will get him.

        • JMK THE OVERSHARE’s Milton Bradley Fat Park Factor

          Noted.

      • JMK THE OVERSHARE’s Milton Bradley Fat Park Factor

        I wouldn’t get my hopes up with pay cuts for Derek and Mo.

        • Mike bk

          i am not. in fact the opposite i am assuming we are going to be quiet in FA the next couple years until 2011.

          • JMK THE OVERSHARE’s Milton Bradley Fat Park Factor

            All signs point to that being true. Payroll starts coming off looking toward 2012. Going to be some really interesting conversations regarding some of our old guard veterans.

            • mr yankee

              Again do not be so sure if the right players are available. The Yankees will not cheap out on their fans.

              • Mike bk

                i love how in your mind staying at 200 million=cheaping out on their fans.

            • Mike bk

              i think Posada is gone after the contract, Andy might finish after this year coming, i think Mo has 2-3 left, not sure how long they will do Jeter’s deal. I love our guys but i wish we didnt do so many long term deals with players into the late 30′s early 40′s.

              • JMK THE OVERSHARE’s Milton Bradley Fat Park Factor

                Again, agreed. I don’t see Posada or Andy being here after the contracts are up. Jeter on a (gulp) 3-year deal, Mo on a two-year deal.

    • Tank the Frank

      Either way works for me. I think this lineup is set. Damon, at his price, is a luxury. The Yankees have great outfield depth right now and have vastly improved defensively in that area as well. One more SP for depth and call it an offseason. I think what you said about the payroll is true. Next year’s FA class is so good you have to make sure you have some payroll flexibility.

    • Evil Empire

      More like Jayson “NOT” Werth it. He’ll be 32 when he hits FA.

      Crawford though, I’d be all up ons for a Johnny Damon-esque deal (4/52)

      • Charlie

        jayson werth is a fucking beast dude, and 32 is not that horribly old. on a 3-4 year deal i’d probably go for that. and crawford is obviously great, but i’m thinkin ur gonna have to pay him quite a bit more than that considering how many teams are gonna want him.

        • Evil Empire

          I will respectfully disagree with your assertion. Werth as a two year hold-me-over I’d be fine with. Anything longer and I’d probably think it’d be too much.

      • JMK THE OVERSHARE’s Milton Bradley Fat Park Factor

        -32 DO NOT WANT

  • Charlie

    nice move. i was never really a fan of johnson when he was with the yanks, but that obp is pretty sweet. the only thing i’m not so sure about is the now stronger possibility that gardbrera is in lf. i know, i know, they can make up for the offense and the OF defense will be nasty, but i’d still be more comfortable with an everyday LFer out there

  • Tank the Frank

    I’m guessing (hoping) the Yankees truly believe that his wrist is ok. If he gives us marginal HR output relative to what he’s capable of, and Granderson really shines as expected in Yankee Stadium, this team could really hit a shit-ton of home runs. I can’t wait to see A-Rod play a full healthy season at YSIII as well…he should launch about 40-45.

    • DP

      Well his physical should take care of the Yankees figuring out if his wrist is OK.

  • Cameron

    1 Year similar price – why not resign Matsui?

    • aj

      I have NO idea why! Unless Cashman just fell off the boat during negotiations, it makes no sense.

      • Mike bk

        apparently from reports they wanted him back but they wanted him to wait until after the SP and Damon issues were resolved and he didnt want to wait

        • Cameron

          Yea but I dont see the SP or LF issues being resolved. And its not like they waited a long time. Matsui signed what 3 days ago?

          • Mike bk

            i dont disagree with that assessment, but maybe w Hideki gone and Damon firming in his insane demands they moved on.

      • JMK THE OVERSHARE’s Milton Bradley Fat Park Factor

        Have you asked Rose how he feels about it?

        • Riddering

          FLABBERGASTED.

          • JMK THE OVERSHARE’s Milton Bradley Fat Park Factor

            BTW, thanks to you, I watched Glee. It was awesome. Thanks for the hot tip (not a euphemism).

    • Charlie

      yea, ya know what i really dont know. people are gonna say his knees or whatever but johnson’s just as big of an injury risk. i would have preferred godzilla because the fact of the matter is, sui has a better bat than johnson

      • mr yankee

        I disagree Johnsondoes not strike out hits lefties well can play some first base. Also he will benefit from Yankee Stadium. I think thekey is he is a tough at bat with a great eye, he falls right into the offensive philosophy.

        • Charlie

          god your grammar is atrocious. is it that hard to form sentences?

          But anyway, Matsui also hits lefties well and benefited/would continue to benefit from YS. Johnson being able to play 1B is useless because we have this guy named Mark Teixeira. He does have a great eye and fits with the yanks lineup. I was just saying that matsui has a better bat from what i can gather. And their price tags were the same.

      • http://threequarters.cementhorizon.com/archives/kool%20aid%20man.bmp The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

        Johnson has had a lot of injuries, but he’s not the same kind of risk as Matsui. Matsui’s knees will be a concern for the rest of his career, it’s an ongoing condition and not an injury he’ll get over. Johnson, on the other hand, isn’t going to be breaking his leg anytime soon in a freak accident behind first base, since he won’t be playing first base. Could he get hit by a pitch or pull a muscle while running? Of course, but anyone might do that.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

      1 Year similar price – why not resign Matsui?

      Nick Johnson, 2008-2009, wRC+
      129, 130

      Hideki Matsui 2008-2009, wRC+:
      114, 133

      Nick may be a better bat, all things considered.

      Moreover, though, Nick wasn’t signed to replace Matsui. He was signed to replace Johnny Damon.

      Curtis Granderson is our replacement for Matsui. He’s the #5/#6 hole power bat who combines with Posada to protect ARod. Nick is the OBP guy who replaces Damon in the #2 hole to get on base and be a table-setter.

      • Evil Empire

        Despite NJ’s injury list, he might also be the safer bet. Bad knees are a ticking timebomb, and once they’re gone, a player is DONE.

    • Lanny

      You got to assume that they did not think Matsui could even stay healthy at DH.

      • Zack

        well he had knee issues as a DH this year- and he’s a year older now.

  • aj

    Ugh he better be healthy..

  • vin

    Damn, my post got eaten…

    Quick recap:

    Nick Johnson and Nick Swisher were both 2nd in their respective leagues in terms of pitches/pa.

    Every Yankee projected to be in the lineup next year was better than the AL average for p/pa (except Cano, of course) in 2009. Melky was higher than guys like Jeter and Tex. Damon was something like 14th (AL) last year in p/pa. Posada didn’t qualify (not enough plate appearances), but he would’ve been top 30.

    It really was an impressive list.

  • Mike bk

    “Newsday’s Ken Davidoff agrees that the Yankees and Johnson are engaged in “serious discussions,” but notes that Johnson has yet to take a physical.”

    • Brooklyn Ed

      so I guess we will expect a presser either on Monday or Tuesday?

  • Charlie

    oooh there’s suggested articles now. when’d that happen?

    • Johan Iz My Brohan

      Mo thought RAB sucked, so he demanded this be done, or else he would have used his godly cutter to slice Ben, Joe, and Mike’s throats.

  • http://threequarters.cementhorizon.com/archives/kool%20aid%20man.bmp The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

    I’ll be pretty psyched if the Yanks sign Nick Johnson for one year. I fully admit that I’m probably not totally objective on this one since I’m a big NJ fan, but I think this is a good move. This guy doesn’t know how to not get on base, and you’ve gotta love the one-year commitment.

    And for the people who care about such things… This guy coming back to the Yankees on a 1-year deal to fill the primary DH role has to make you feel good about the guy wanting to be a Yankee and wanting to win. I think he could get a more lucrative deal elsewhere and get the opportunity to play 1B.

    • JMK THE OVERSHARE’s Milton Bradley Fat Park Factor

      +28!

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

      I’m with you.

      Like I’ve said again and again this offseason, the best possible solution once Granderson came on board was for us to sign someone to be the last bat in the offense on a one year deal.

      Whether that person was Nick Johnson, Cameron, Delgado, Thome, Vlad, Dye, etc. etc., even Damon, it didn’t really matter. They’re all productive bats in their own right.

      Having the one year deal allows us to free up the DH spot again next offseason and re-evaluate who needs it. (Namely, Jorge Posada).

      Quality offense now + roster flexibility later = PUSSYTUBING

      • ColoYank

        That’s quite the participle, there, tsjc.

        I like it.

  • JMK THE OVERSHARE’s Milton Bradley Fat Park Factor

    Here’s a funny one, regarding Damon, via MLBTR, via The Seattle Times:

    I heard from someone who works around the Mariners that after Bill Bavasi was fired in 2008, and the Mariners were searching for a new general manager, Damon actually was telling people he would be interested in the job. This person insisted that Damon seemed dead serious, even though he was still an active player.

    That’s just straight-up funny. Well, it seems like the M’s are full speed ahead on FAs this off season. I’m not sure how well he fits in there, though. Damon playing in LF at Saefco could be REALLY dicey. If he platoon DH’d and played LF part time, maybe it could work, but that’s a lot of cash, horrid defense and a weird platoon-type situation.

  • http://www.facebook.com/pages/Bring-Melvin-To-America/193013541601?ref=nf Andy in Sunny Daytona

    Love the Nick Johnson move.

    Now….the rest of my Melchrishanakwanza list.

    1. Ben Sheets
    2. Aroldis
    3. Cyclops Mateo
    4. Digital Camera
    5. A healthy Jesus middle finger.

    • JMK THE OVERSHARE’s Milton Bradley Fat Park Factor

      I’ve had this conversation a million times with the rest of you guys, but I’d prefer us not to go for Sheets.

      Big WANT VERY MUCH to Chaphombre and Bernard from Star Trek.

      • http://www.facebook.com/pages/Bring-Melvin-To-America/193013541601?ref=nf Andy in Sunny Daytona

        Do you mean Geordi Laforge?

        /Geek’d

        • JMK THE OVERSHARE’s Milton Bradley Fat Park Factor

          Yeah, that’s him. (SHAME.) We weren’t allowed to watch TV as kids…

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

      Is Digital Camera a nickname for a player, or do you just need a new digital camera?

      If it’s a nickname for a player, my guess is that you’re referring to… Antonio Alfonseca.

      • http://www.facebook.com/pages/Bring-Melvin-To-America/193013541601?ref=nf Andy in Sunny Daytona

        No. I just need a new digital camera with an automatic date setter.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

          Admit it, though, “Digital Camera” is a pretty kick-ass nickname for Antonio Alfonseca.

          • http://www.facebook.com/pages/Bring-Melvin-To-America/193013541601?ref=nf Andy in Sunny Daytona

            Agreed.

    • Reggie C.

      Cyclops Mateo = the funny

      • http://www.facebook.com/pages/Bring-Melvin-To-America/193013541601?ref=nf Andy in Sunny Daytona

        That’s intellectual property of JMK.

        • Jay

          How do you make your horsey go Andy?

  • pete

    Using basic, self-projected, semi-conservative stats for offense and defense, here’s what i am seeing next year:
    Jeter: 120 OPS+, 0 UZR,
    Johnson: 125 OPS+, 0 UZR,
    Tex: 140 OPS+, 0 UZR (with good D exterior to UZR)
    A-Rod: 145 OPS+, -5 UZR (assuming some bounceback from hip injury)
    Posada: 125 OPS+, -whatever on D
    Cano: 125 OPS+, -5 UZR (being conservative – you never know with cano)
    Granderson: 115 OPS+ (assuming some bounceback, stadium boost), +10 UZR
    Swisher: 120 OPS+, 0 UZR
    Melkner: 95 OPS+, +5 UZR

    That gives the lineup as a whole an OPS+ of 123.3, and approximately average defense overall. Fuck. Ing. Sweet.

    • vin

      Just like last year, the only thing that could prevent this team from making a deep run into the playoffs is a multitude of significant injuries.

      They have more than enough talent to win it all.

  • Salty Buggah

    Awesome. He’s not a type A (is type B) guy. So, hopefully he stays healthy and maybe can be a type A next year and can get us some draft picks.

  • cj

    Hal steinbrenner said the Yanks are not done making moves “they are looking into TRADES” any ideas??

    • http://www.facebook.com/pages/Bring-Melvin-To-America/193013541601?ref=nf Andy in Sunny Daytona

      Brett Gardner & Eric Wordekemper for anyone they want.

      /old Melky/IPK’d

      • JMK THE OVERSHARE’s Milton Bradley Fat Park Factor

        Not Palabrakemper! He’s on my NY Times Crossword fantasy team!

  • nathan

    I know there are reports out there connecting Mark DeRosa with Yanks..

    is the NJ deal make the MDR more likely… hope not.. he is not worth 3/18M

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

      Less likely, I’d say. Far less.

      I think we’re just about done. I don’t expect much more, other than Chapman and maybe a Kelvim Escobar or a Noah Lowry or something like that.

      • http://threequarters.cementhorizon.com/archives/kool%20aid%20man.bmp The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

        I’m with you. As much as I’d like to see Ben Sheets in pinstripes, I think the Yanks will kick around some trade proposals and look at the scrap heap at this point (assuming they sign Johnson). Of course, if they made a trade and move some pieces, that could change the outlook.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

          Of course, if they made a trade and move some pieces, that could change the outlook.

          I assume you’re speaking of my theoretical Melky/Wordekemper/Brandon Laird to Arizona for Justin Upton and IPK deal.

          • http://threequarters.cementhorizon.com/archives/kool%20aid%20man.bmp The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

            That, and every hypothetical and off-topic proposal made by the esteemed cj.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

              You mean… the esteemed… cj???????!!!??

              • http://threequarters.cementhorizon.com/archives/kool%20aid%20man.bmp The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                lolllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll

                source: barry

      • nathan

        i dont think we are getting Chapman.. for a reclamation project Sheets’ price too high… but his stuff is enticing..

        i hope they dont get MDR, its cool to get an underrated fella on a deal… but he was so overhyped as an underrated player.. he has crossed the overrated margin…

        i know CashMoney is no Omar… i was worried if they felt signing MDR and make him share duties with Melky may cross the Yanks’mind.. i hope not…

        theres been not much noise abt duchscherer either..

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

          We’ll have to see… what happens… next…

          It’ll be… interesting… that’s for sure…

    • http://thebronxbloggers.wordpress Will

      so overrated, its not even funny.

  • Spaceman.Spiff

    1 Jeter, R
    2 Nick Johnson, L
    3 Teix, S
    4 A-Rod, R
    after this, nothing is set in stone. Let performance determine how these guys are ordered.
    5 Posada, S
    6 Cano, L
    7 Swisher, S
    8 Granderson, L
    9 Melky, S

    • nathan

      Posada can drive u nuts.. Matsui was so good at #5.. we are gonna miss him.. he was the best at getting those runs in… get ready for some stranded runners…

      • dudes

        i hope you don’t just look at stranded runners as a counting stat next year, as you will be extremely disappointed.

        johnson/tex/a-rod get on base >>>> most other 2/3/4 hitters so who ever hits #5 will naturally strand more runners in this line up.

        by the same token, this person will also have many, many rbi chances too.

  • cj

    are they reallly gonna pay nick johnson the the same offer matsui wanted?? really?!!

    • lebigyank

      yeah whats wrong with that?

      • dalelama

        I agree CJ Johnson versus Matsui is a downgrade but we have to move on as Godzilla is gone….crying shame

  • cj

    I would rather see the Yanks get cheap OPB and HR from Cust, with a trade hopping list that includes Conor Jackson, Chase Headley, and Alberto Callapso…
    pitching…Capps and Duchsherer

    Yanks get younger, add flexibility, cut cost

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

      Nick Johnson >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jack Cust

      Homers aren’t everything.

      • cj

        agreed. Homers aren’t everything but Cust can play LF RF albeit sometimes ugly but he’s won’t cost much 2 years 6 mil tops…in Yankee Stadium…30 hr 100 bb lock… Cust is a poor man’s Nick Swisher for a fraction of the price…matter of fact I wouldnt minde bringing him in with Nick Johnson…imagine how many pitches they would see between swish, NJ, Cust…starters wouldnt make it out of 6th

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

          Almost nothing you said in that block of ellipses-dotted text made sense.

          • Jay

            IETC

    • http://www.facebook.com/TaintStick Taintstick

      No Cust. Thanks.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

        Great name, though.

  • cj

    I dont hate the idea of Nick Johnson but NO WAY he’s worth more than WS MVP Godzilla for one year

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

      Nick Johnson, 2009 wRC+: 130
      Hideki Matsui, 2009 wRC+: 133

      He probably is worth more, yeah.

      Also, please use the reply button.

      • http://threequarters.cementhorizon.com/archives/kool%20aid%20man.bmp The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

        And Matsui is going into his age 36 season while Johnson is going into his age 31 season.

        It’s hard to look forward and not backwards, but for 2010 Johnson is probably an upgrade over Matsui. We shall see how it plays out. At the very least I don’t think we have evidence that the decision-making process that has led the Yanks to seemingly prefer Johnson over Matsui for next year is flawed. Johnson’s numbers compare favorably to Matsui’s, he’s 5 years younger than Matsui, and he has functioning knees.

        • Salty Buggah

          +1 and we can say that his SLG should go up a bit in YSIII too

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

          Agreed on all counts, but again, it seems paradoxical but I don’t think the question should be “is Johnson and upgrade over Matsui”, because the team could view it as strictly a Johnson-Damon discussion and a separate Granderson-Matsui discussion.

          We’re swapping a #2 hitting outfielder for a #2 hitting DH, and making a corresponding swap of a #5/#6 hitting DH for a #5/#6 hitting outfielder.

          GRANDERSON is our Matsui upgrade, and Johnson is our DAMON upgrade.

          JMHO.

          • http://threequarters.cementhorizon.com/archives/kool%20aid%20man.bmp The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

            Yeah, that’s semantics though. You could just as easily say that the ’09 outfield of Damon/Gardbrera/Swisher is being replaced by a ’10 outfield of Granderson/Gardbrera/Swisher and the ’09 DH, Matsui, is being replaced by the ’10 DH, Johnson. People look at it this way because they see Granderson as being the guy brought in to play the Damon role and Johnson brought in to play the Matsui role.

            Either way, it doesn’t really matter, does it?

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

              Meh, here’s the decision tree as I see it:

              A) We’re letting our LF Johnny Damon and our DH Hideki Matsui walk. They’re too old and too expensive to retain.

              B) We thus have four roles to fill with two players. Those roles are two offensive roles and two positional roles. They are, in order of importance:
              Role #1 – defense-plus outfielder
              Role #2 – #2 hitter to be a table-setter
              Role #3 – #5/#6 hitter to protect ARod and lengthen the lineup
              Role #4 – A DH, preferably one who can play another position to ensure flexibility

              C) We’ve found Curtis Granderson on the trade market. He now fills two of the four roles we needed to fill. He fills Role #1 and Role #3.

              D) We now need to add a second position player. The priority, based on what we still need, is a #2 hole hitter. DHs or corner outfielders with good #2 hitter capabilities should be prioritized over hitters who are not high OBP guys.

              E) Nick Johnson fills our needs well. He doesn’t play the field, but his skills as a tablesetter are unmatched.

              … aaaaaaaaaaaaand, SCENE.

              • dalelama

                Agree with everything but Granderson can’t hit lefties and Johnson is very dainty…

          • Mike HC

            I don’t think the Yanks are really looking at it like that. I just think they saw a blank canvas, not putting any additional weight on their own free agents, and built the rest of the team irregardless of last years team.

            • sciorsci

              Of course they’re seeing it like that. They have to build the roster with an eye toward what roles need to be filled. I think TSJC’s analysis of the situation is spot on.

    • http://thebronxbloggers.wordpress Will

      have they mentioned a contract for him yet?
      the amount i mean.

      • OldYanksFan

        $5.5m was mentioned.

    • John

      the thing is I don’t think Matsui can improve in any way in 2010. He can only be worse, unlike Johnson who can easily improve in 2010, especially hr-wise.

      • http://threequarters.cementhorizon.com/archives/kool%20aid%20man.bmp The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

        This. Matsui’s 2009 was not only probably his high-point, it was also kind of a surprise that he even did that well. Remember the injuries this guy has suffered (and still deals with, as they drained his knees numerous times in 2009) and what the outlook looked like for him in 2009, and I think his 2009 season was an incredibly pleasant surprise but probably not something he’ll ever come close to duplicating for the rest of his career.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

          As I guy who campaigned all of last winter to eat Matsui’s contract whole, all 13M of it, to free up the DH spot to get Manny Ramirez or Adam Dunn, I agree.

          Matsui was a gamble for 2009, and he won. He may not win again in 2010.

  • http://theyankeeuniverse.com Moshe Mandel

    Damon’s a better fit, but I’m fine with Johnson. Great OBP fits perfectly at #2.

    • nathan

      dude, did u guys get a new landingspot yet?

      • http://theyankeeuniverse.com Moshe Mandel

        No. Soon, I’ll post about it.

        • nathan

          Cool.. good luck with that

    • pete

      damon, on the same deal, would be a better fit. beyond that, ehh not so sure. A healthy nick johnson + yankee stadium comes very very close to equalling kevin youkilis’s production. My guess is he puts up something like a .295/.415/.485 line with close to 20 hrs (yay for YSIII).

      • http://theyankeeuniverse.com Moshe Mandel

        He’s OPS’ed that high once in his career, and is moving to the more difficult league. Damon provides a lot more flexibility and never gets hurt.

        • Tank the Frank

          Damon gets hurt plenty. He just plays through it, doesn’t go on the DL, and his production drops until he’s healthy again.

          • http://theyankeeuniverse.com Moshe Mandel

            There’s a lot of value in that.

  • cj

    my trade proposal…Gardner and a b prospect to KC for Alberto Callpso INF Util…thoughts??

  • Faiaz

    Well boys, we have come a long way from the 04-08 “drought.” 56% of the starting lineup will be homegrown with the addition of Nick Johnson. 60% of the rotation is also homegrown… until we get Sheets. Aww the poor guys that blab about how we buy all our players should start looking for another issue to blab about.

    • nathan

      theres a new theme… even if we homegrow them.. only we can buy them off the FA… which is what we shud do… but the claim is that other teams cant buy their players off of FA.. got into a bg spat with an Angels fan once on this topic

  • cj

    Cust can play LF RF albeit sometimes ugly but he’s won’t cost much 2 years 6 mil tops…in Yankee Stadium…30 hr 100 bb lock… Cust is a poor man’s Nick Swisher for a fraction of the price…matter of fact I wouldnt minde bringing him in with Nick Johnson…imagine how many pitches they would see between swish, NJ, Cust…starters wouldnt make it out of 6th

    • http://www.facebook.com/pages/Bring-Melvin-To-America/193013541601?ref=nf Andy in Sunny Daytona

      …..or they would strike out 15 a game.

      • cj

        K’s are just outs and they eat pitches especiall the 3-2 K, any player who takes a strike johnson, cust, swisher will have a high k rate and avg 5 pitches per at bat or in other words the anti-Cano/Melky who are first pitch swingers (I like them both)

  • cj

    who is the east coast Mystery team in Holliday race….Yanks? (hope) 6 years * 16 is worth it for him

    • http://threequarters.cementhorizon.com/archives/kool%20aid%20man.bmp The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

      Dude… I’m not one of the RABbis, so it’s probably not my place to say this, but come on… You’re throwing out numerous off-topic posts in one thread, you’re not even trying to respect the commenting guidelines. Please stop.

      • cj

        “Dude…Seriously???
        Tim Brown of Yahoo.com is reporting another legit offer has come in for Matt Holliday from an east coast team (Yankees?).” from hotstove.com

        so really is that off the Yanks’ LF/DH topic???!!!

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

          Whether you respect the commenting guidelines or not, at least respect the guidelines of the English language.

          Please, for Mosakes, stop it with the constant ellipses, question marks, and exclamation marks. Speak like a grownup.

        • http://threequarters.cementhorizon.com/archives/kool%20aid%20man.bmp The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

          How about this? Alberto Callaspo is off-topic.

          You’ve tossed out a bunch of off-topic or very loosely-related (to say the least) comments in this thread, I just think it’s best to keep things on-topic and wait for an open thread if you have other things you want to discuss.

          I won’t respond anymore, this whole convo is off-topic and really doesn’t have any place here, I shouldn’t have responded in the first place.

    • http://www.facebook.com/TaintStick Taintstick

      Its no mystery. Holliday will be signed by the NYY before Xmas. I’m giving you the headlines now

      NY Post – Home for the Holliday
      NY Daily News – Happy Holliday!
      NY Times – Yankees Bank Holliday

      You’re welcome.

      • SteveD Fla

        Thank you. Hope you are right.

        • http://www.facebook.com/TaintStick Taintstick

          You’re welcome. Happy Holliday to you.

  • Mike HC

    It has got to be less than Matsui’s deal right? Or was the Matsui thing more of a “I’m not coming back to the Yanks on a huge paycut” kinda thing? Cashman obviously has a plan. I always liked Johnson and happy to see him rejoin the team.

  • Gleb

    I like this lineup personally.

    Jeter
    Granderson
    Teixeira
    Rodriguez
    Cano
    Johnson
    Posada
    Swisher
    Cabrera

    • Mike HC

      not bad. Probably going to move Posada up one spot to split up Nick Johnson and Cano. And depending on the pitcher, they may play around with that two spot with Granderson, Johnson and maybe even some Swisher. Doubt Cano gets at bats there, but you never know.

      • Mike Pop

        I think Johnson should be 2nd pretty much all the time.

        Career:
        .394 OBP vs righties
        .424 OBP vs lefties

        Get the most on base for Teix and A-Rod.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

          Yup.

          Johnson and the #2 hole go together like johnsons and #2 holes.

          (Couldn’t resist.)

    • Lanny

      Johnson has to bat 2nd there.

      Why wouldnt u take advantage of that OBP?

  • Gleb

    I also believe the small contract size indicates they want to squeeze in a high risk high reward pitcher into the budget.

    Sabathia
    Burnett
    Pettitte
    Hughes
    Chamberlain/Sheets/Bedard/Duke

    Looks great to me.

    • cj

      Sheets wants too much $$$$, Bedard is not made for NY, I agree with Duke

      • Lanny

        You really want to trade a Romine for Duke?

        • Mike Pop

          Duke is a FA.

          • JMK THE OVERSHARE’s Milton Bradley Fat Park Factor

            Don’t let that cloud the issue. The Free Agents Team is pretty decent this year. They might do some damage in the NL West.

            I think the Free Agents would take that trade of Romine for Duke. They have a surplus of crappy, overpriced players. They need to get younger.

        • sciorsci

          He’s referring to Justin Duchscherer, nickname: “Duke”, not Zach Duke.

  • Brooklyn Ed

    should we expect a presser for Johnson on Monday?

  • Mike Pop

    I like it, I like it alot.

  • Mac

    5.5 Million for 1 year. Great move.

    Thanks for the four years Johnny!

  • Johan Iz My Brohan

    According to NJs Wiki:

    Walk Up Music
    His current walk up music is Teardrops On My Guitar by Taylor Swift.

    I will not allow Taylor Swift to be heard in YSIII, the only way I would allow that is if they get rid of Cotton Eye’d Joe and the YMCA shit first. (the two lamest songs ever).

    • JMK THE OVERSHARE’s Milton Bradley Fat Park Factor

      “Our Song” is better anyway. I’d personally like to hear “Tik Tok” by Ke$ha, but I’m weird.

  • Salty Buggah

    I absolutely fuckin love this deal if that is true. Great price for a OBP monster DH. It leaves a lot of payroll room too. Cashman is great

    • vin

      I’m not sure how anyone can honestly criticize Cashman. Ever since he’s seized control he’s made good trades, FA acquisitions, and drafted pretty well.

      He stood pat after 2007 (Hawkins was the only real addition to the team), so he could go big after 2008, and is now retooling after 2009.

      No GM is perfect (Farnsworth acquistion was baffling), but Cash does a very good job.

      • Stryker

        but…but…but…ANYONE could do his job with a blank check!!!

        /sarcasm /typical cashman jab

        • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

          /Chris Carlin’d

  • JMK THE OVERSHARE’s Milton Bradley Fat Park Factor

    $5.5 is freakin’ steal. I’m absolutely shocked. I figured he’d command at least $7 million, probably closer to $8 mil.

    I wonder how much we have left over in payroll. $14 million?

    • lebigyank

      we are probably done with half of that left off

      • Lanny

        If Matsui got 6.5 why would Johnson get 8?

        • JMK THE OVERSHARE’s Milton Bradley Fat Park Factor

          Your reply fail aside, Johnson is younger and can play a position (albeit 1B). Even with his injury risks, they’re not knees-having-fluid-drained serious. Knees go, player’s done.

          He should also see some power return as his wrist is close to fully healed. These are the primary reasons I’d expected him to either get a multi-year deal or at least have a higher base this season.

  • http://www.facebook.com/TaintStick Taintstick

    Cashmoney earns his check with moves like this. Dude had a .477 OBP hitting in front of Hanley last year. Proper.

    • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ Nostra-Artist

      Yeah, he should actually be MORE patient in this lineup, given the hitters he’s surrounded by in the lineup and in the clubhouse. Patience and power is the Yankee mantra, so he fits right in.

  • Klemy

    I’ve always liked Nick and Iw as sad to see him go. He was my favorite player to yell out his name during a game, “Nick JOHNSON!” Welcome home…

  • YankFanDave

    This deal definitely makes sense. Without Pavano and Nady on board, the Yanks need their designated DL guy and there is absolutely none better then Nick Johnson.

    • Mike Pop

      I laughed.

    • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ Nostra-Artist

      Actually, as a DH you figure he has to stay healthier. Many of his injuries occurred while playing the field, though not all of them.

  • Lanny

    They def needed another bat and NJ has a solid bat when healthy. Which hasnt been often. Looks like Damon is a goner and we are def going to miss his bat in the 2 hole. Dont discount handling NY pressure and succeeding. Will not be easy to replace him or Matsui.

    Maybe this move means they go after DeRosa to play a little LF/DH/3b.

    • BigBlueAL

      Johnson did come up with the Yankees so he knows about playing in NY, also started virtually every game during the 2003 postseason so he has played in the postseason in NY.

  • http://www.teamnerdrage.com dr mrs the yankee

    So cheap, I’m amazed. Surely he got better deals offered, but no complaints from me.

    Time for Gene Monahan to stock up on the calcium to try and help those brittle bones. ;)

  • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ Nostra-Artist

    With all the broken bones Nick has had, what do you say we take up a collection and send him a year’s supply of milk and calcium supplements for this Christmas?

    • http://www.teamnerdrage.com dr mrs the yankee

      I got the joke in first, ha!

      • JMK THE OVERSHARE’s Milton Bradley Fat Park Factor

        He had a version of the same joke yesterday, I believe.

        • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ Nostra-Artist

          Gots to get up prrreetttty early in the morning to beat ole Steve to a joke, yes-sir-eee!

    • Salty Buggah

      That’s why we have other Nick. Swish is going to provide the milk (not in the perverted way)

      http://yankees.lhblogs.com/fil.....-intro.jpg

  • BigBlueAL

    Watching Nick Johnson in his time with the Marlins last season reminded me how tough an out he is. Like seeing Nick the Stick back in pinstripes.

    Still think Yankees have something else up their sleeves….

    • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ Nostra-Artist

      I was sad when we traded him away (way back when) for Vasquez.

      and yes, Cash has made clear he’s still in the market for a pitcher. But I think the Sox have a move or two up their sleeves as well.

      • scooter

        Same – but I really thought Javy was going to work out

        I gotta think NJ could have gotten a two-year deal from the Giants. Obviously he wanted to return to NY (and as others already pointed out, sign for a year, build value and go back into free agency next year)

        Sign Chapman, get Duchsherer, and call it a solid offseason?

        • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ Nostra-Artist

          Sign Chapman, get Duchsherer Ben Sheets, and call it a solid offseason?

          Yes.

          • Mike Pop

            I’d rather have Duchsherer. Swing man, allows both Phil and Joba to start the season in the rotation and he provides quality out of the bullpen.

            Ben Sheets could possibly stunt Phil or Joba’s development.

            • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ Nostra-Artist

              This is where people put the cart before the horse. It’s the big leagues, Phil and Joba are here to help the Yanks win, first and foremost. Both of them would be the first to tell you that. They are here to serve the team, not the other way around. Developing them is a tertiary consideration. If Ben Sheets helps the Yanks win more games in 2010, then he’s the right choice. We’re not the Royals, and were not rebuilding.

              • Mike Pop

                Yankees fans are so spoiled.

                They don’t need an all star at every position. They do need to get younger. They need the younger players to get better, we know they can relieve. We don’t know that they can be successful MLB starters. We believe they can, because of what they have shown us. We want those fuckers to become great pitchers because they will provide great value.

                They will never ever become great MLB pitchers if never given the opportunity. We’ve been preaching for three years now that they need to start, this is the perfect time. Coming off a WS year, these guys are another year older and have more experience. They need to be given every opportunity, how many more years are the Yankees going to put it off? Next year, do we say sign MAtt Cain, sign Cliff Lee, etc.

                We want these guys to become great pitchers and as the years go by and they don’t achieve that goal, they’re losing their value.

                • Mike Pop

                  Plus, Ben Sheets will have been out of the game over a year. I think it will take some time for him to get back to his standards. Now those could be better numbers than Joba or Hughes, but give the young kids a shot. They deserve it.

                  Yes, there is the injury argument – more than just 5 starters start all the games, but I want these guys to get as many innings as possible. It’s for the good of the organization to see what they are, and what they can become.

                  It’s also more fun for us, the fan, to see them develop. One of the most interesting things of the 2010 season for myself.

                • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ Nostra-Artist

                  2008 says hello. You may be willing to miss the playoffs for the benefit of Joba and Phil, but I’m glad the Yanks aren’t. Whoever performs keeps their spot in the rotation, the other goes to the bullpen and provides value there.

                  Also, I’m not even convinced you’d even be benefiting them. Keeping their innings down before age 25 is a good thing, which studies show should lead to more durability down the road. And learning the big leagues and hitters tendencies in short stints out of the bullpen can help a pitcher like Phil Hughes develop, not hinder him.

                  David Cone says working out of the bullpen was essential to his development as a pitcher, and he was one of the smartest around.

                • Mike Pop

                  Career major league innings for Phil Hughes prior to 2008:

                  72.2

                  for Kennedy:

                  19.0

                  Career major league innings for Phil Hughes going into 2010:

                  192.2

                  for Joba:

                  281.2

                  Not to mention Joba’s upside is much higher than that of IPK’s. They are older, more innings, more experienced.

                  They have both worked in the bullpen plenty up to this point. In my opinion, it’s time for them to start. They have earned it, unlike 2008 with Phil and IPK.

                  I believe you learn more pitching in the rotation, going through lineups 2-3 times rather than just having to fool a hitter once. That way, you work on your secondary pitches, durability, blah blah…

                  Could they learn more in the bullpen? Sure. Could they learn more in the rotation than they would learn in the bullpen? Definitely.

                  This team is winning 100-104 games currently constructed. This team is not missing the playoffs because of Joba and Hughes starting. This benefits the team more in the long run, which is another reason why I am in favor of it.

                • SF Yanks

                  Agreed. I love nothing more than watching Hughes and Joba start ballgames and I hope I can watch them pitch the rest of their damn careers as Yankee starters.

      • http://theyankeeuniverse.com Moshe Mandel

        Unless it’s Gonzalez, the Sox have no room for any moves if they want to stay under the luxury tax.

        • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ Nostra-Artist

          All depends on how you calculate it. I’m still waiting for an explanation for Spiers 12 mil ’40 man’ and ‘Benefits’ categories. AD took a swipe at it last night, but I’m still not sure. If anyone knows, please fill me in.

  • Hey ZZ

    All I know is that with Jetes, NJ, and Tex 1, 2, and 3, Arod is going to have a RIDICULOUS amount of RBIs next season.

  • Jordan – Gardner for CF 2010

    Cashmoney does it again. Unbelievable. Bye Johnny.

    • JMK THE OVERSHARE’s Milton Bradley Fat Park Factor

      Hopefully Gardner is gone soon.

      • Jordan – Gardner for CF 2010

        Why? He’s the best 3rd OF option on the team.

        • Charlie

          no, melky is better than gardner. and gardner should be traded because he’s a bit unnecessary if we’re keeping melky and hoffman

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

          I’d like to lock Jordan and JMK in a room for an hour with a few knives and see who comes out alive.

          Nobody hates Gardner more than JMK. Nobody hates Melky more than Jordan.

          Fight to the DEATH, boys!!!

          • A.D.

            We could sell tickets.

            • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

              I’d pay.

    • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ Nostra-Artist

      The Yanks usually get who they want. CC didn’t even want to come here last year and they got him, too.

    • http://dinosaursneverexisted.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/melky.jpg Drew

      Or, hello Johnny and hello freakshow lineup.

  • Hey ZZ

    Hideki Matsui

    2006: 51 GP
    2007: 143
    2008: 93
    2010: 142

    Chances he stays healthy next season: not likely

    Chances he stays healthy next season while playing the OF once or twice a week: .000014%

  • YankFanDave

    Yeah Nick Johnson will score tons of runs as he has over his career: -averages 51 runs scored when he plays
    -averages 45 runs scored if you count year he didn’t play at all
    -1 whole season of 100 runs scored.

    Guys, DL machines do not score runs. OK, this is a case of group amnesia, or group fantasy exotic stat envy.

    Back to reality: Games played year before last–35; games played year before that–none.

    The only way this deal makes sense is if the Yanks sign another big bat, preferably Holliday. Then maybe the risk is worth taking on.

    • http://www.teamnerdrage.com dr mrs the yankee

      Runs are a function of team offense, using them on an individual level is ridiculous. How many runs did the Nationals score as a whole when he had 66 in 2005?

      639, that means he was >10% of their runs scored which means that he gets on base to score runs a lot.

      • YankFanDave

        The point was quite simple and irrefutable — if you are on the DL you cannot score runs.

        • http://www.teamnerdrage.com dr mrs the yankee

          Yes, and? Playing at DH should hopefully keep him healthier much like it kept Hideki and his no-knees pretty healthy.

          The reason he missed 2007 was because he broke his femur in a particularly nasty way crashing into Austin Kearns in the outfield. The likelihood of that happening again is remote.

          2008 is another story (he tore a ligament) and more worrisome but since it wasn’t a huge issue in 2009, it really shouldn’t be one in 2010.

    • Stryker

      this deal makes sense as it stands. the yankees don’t need another big bat – with granderson they’re essentially replacing matsui’s production and upgrading the outfield defense. with johnson they’re filling the DH spot left open by matsui’s departure and replacing damon’s on base skills. both granderson and johnson’s monetary commitments combined don’t equal what they would have had to (over)pay to retain damon.

      sure, there’s risk – johnson’s got a glass jaw. but johnson won’t be seeing a lot of time in the field which should hopefully keep him healthy.

      • YankFanDave

        Hope is a wonderful thing.

        • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

          Since he’s only DH’ing there is some reason to believe that he will stay healthier.

          • http://www.teamnerdrage.com dr mrs the yankee

            It’s almost like we saw something similar happen recently…

            • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

              I’m confused. Referring to Matsui?

              • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                Yeah…duh.

                Forgive me. I know it’s early, but I’m tired.

    • vin

      Some of the injuries are definitely worrisome – back and torn tendon in wrist, but the following are flukes that caused him to miss significant time:

      2004 – broken cheekbone by a ball hit to him at 1st
      2006 – collided with Austin Kearns and broke his femur
      2007 – recovering from broken femur

      • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

        Right, and hopefully the DH time will help his health.

    • Zack

      “Games played year before last–35; games played year before that–none”

      It’s called a broken leg on a freak play on defense

      • YankFanDave

        9 year career, 770 games played equals 85.55 games played per season. Let’s be kind and only count the years he actually played that’s 96.25 games played when he actually plays. Big improvement (excuse the sarcasm.) This guy is the king of fluke, freak and ordinary injury. If you can count on his OBP, why are we not counting on the other highly predictable metric he has consistently had in his career–games missed, days on DL.

        • Zack

          Because like it’s been stated, a lot of his injuries occured on freak plays or in the field.

          Who would you rather have at DH who’s available?

          • dalelama

            Carlos Delgado

  • lebigyank

    Holy bargain Batman indeed

  • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

    This is a great deal for a couple reasons:

    1. 1 year, 5.5 million. What a bargain, only 1 year of risk.
    2. Our lineup is so good that even where he to get hurt and we had to slot Miranda in at DH, we’re STILL probably the best lineup in baseball.

  • ecksodia

    I think this move makes Cashman look like a genius halfway into the season. I don’t think it was that big of a steal, but we have DH covered so we can go after Sheets/Chapman, or both (still holding out hope for Damon’s return, though).

    • YankFanDave

      Now that logic makes sense. Put the deal in context where the risk opens other opportunity.

      • ecksodia

        Can’t wait to see it pay off. I’ve always loved Matsui, but I’m pretty sure Cashman wouldn’t let Matsui walk for 6.5 million, and get a replacement for about a million less if he didn’t think it was counting on Matsui’s knees holding up for another full season (even at DH), as opposed to hoping the younger Nick Johnson being healthy for a whole year.

        Also, by not committing too much money, I think that leaves them the possibility of signing (not very likely, but still)/trading for someone mid season if a couple of things don’t work out.

  • Doug

    gotta love these P/PA (years w 500+ PAs):
    2005 – 4.11
    2006 – 4.29
    2009 – 4.38

    • http://dinosaursneverexisted.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/melky.jpg Drew

      That’s some Bobby type shit.

  • http://dinosaursneverexisted.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/melky.jpg Drew

    My biggest concern in losing JD wasn’t necessarily replacing his offense, it was replacing his spot in the lineup. The fact that we lost(will lose) our 2 hitter killed me. Now, Johnson squeezes right in there. ha.

    Now it’s just a matter of who hits fifth. I say C-Grand or Robbie.

    Jete R
    NJ L
    Teixy S
    Al R
    CG L
    Jorge S
    Swish S
    Robbie L
    Melky S

    • Mike Pop

      I can’t wait for Jamal and you to get at each other over ‘C-Grand’ during the season.

      • http://dinosaursneverexisted.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/melky.jpg Drew

        haha word. I think it’s catchy.

        What do you think about that lineup though?

        I may flip flop he and Robbie. This year will be Robbie’s RBI-Coming-Out party.

        • Mike Pop

          I’m down with it either way. This lineup is ridiculous.

          That lineup could put up 850 runs.

          • For Lack of a More Creative Name.. Alex

            Hell yea. Any time your #8 hitter put up a 128 wRC+ and a .370 wOBA, you know you are set.

  • JeffG

    If one could dream and we pulled Sheets at a reasonable price 7+incentives and Stein-heads weren’t being cheap – last minute move while insane Damon is bitched slapped into reality like Abreau year and signs (8mil):

    1 Jeter (R)
    2 Johnson (L)
    3 Tex (S)
    4 A-Rod (R)
    5 Damon (L)
    6 Posada (S)
    7 Granderson (L)
    8 Cano (L)
    9 Swisher (S)

    - That would be pretty scary, hard to imagine a better offense than we had last year…

    • http://dinosaursneverexisted.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/melky.jpg Drew

      I think that if we sign JD, NJ will be flopped down to the bottom end of the lineup.

      • vin

        I agree. Damon is the better hitter, and should therefore get more AB’s. Of course if Nick develops some power at the stadium, then I’d be open to the switch. Johnny’s speed is a bit of a plus in the 2 hole, also (but not necessarily a dealbreaker).

        I would like to see:

        Jeter r
        Damon l
        Tex s
        Alex r
        Posada s
        Cano l (equal platoon splits)
        Granderson l (ugly platoon splits)
        Johnson l (reverse platoon splits)
        Swisher s (equal platoon splits)

        I wouldn’t mind switching Curtis and Nick, but then the slow-footed Johnson is clogging the bases ahead of Granderson. Preventing one of the 8 and 9 hitters from reaching base would be nearly impossible.

        • Hey ZZ

          If they bring Damon back also, NJ and Swisher at the bottom of the lineup could be lethal. Pitcher is fully exhausted after facing NJ and Swisher taking every pitch that is not the in zone and you now have the pleasure of facing Jeter.

    • MattG

      No chance Damon is back now.

      Well, unless he suddenly decides he’ll take a one-year deal, ergo no chance.

  • Gleb

    Jeter
    Granderson
    Teixeira
    Rodriguez
    Cano
    Johnson
    Posada
    Swisher
    Cabrera

    for the second time.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

      For the second time, no.

      Granderson is too high, Johnson and Posada are too low.

  • larryf

    Newsflash: Yanks have added “excessive arm hair” to the list of no no’s along with facial hair and “idiot Red Sox hair”. NJ will have laser performed during his physical…..

    Gardner sees increased late game pinch running opportunities increasing his value (476K per year)….happy about NJ acquisition

    NJ scouts out Yanks in 2010 for his buddy Adam Dunn for 2011

  • nycornerstones

    IF POSADA HAS TO DH WHERES JOHNSON GONNA PLAY ?

    • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

      He’s not DH’ing every game, just 2 of 5 games a week or so.

      • http://dinosaursneverexisted.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/melky.jpg Drew

        2 of 5? When the hell will he get a real day off?

        • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

          Good point. I made two mistakes:

          1. Should have been 3 of 7, not 2 of 5.
          2. He’ll probably DH two days a week, take off 1 day.

          • Chris

            Posada has been a DH 61 times in his career. He’s been a DH 31 times in the past 4 years. I believe that your estimates are significantly high. Maybe he gets up to 20 games at DH this year, but certainly not twice a week (which would be about 50 games).

            • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

              They need to rest him more this year than in the past.

              • http://dinosaursneverexisted.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/melky.jpg Drew

                Key word being “rest.” If he catches 100-110 games, the max he’ll DH is 15-20 games, imo of course.

                • Chris

                  Exactly. He’ll probably get more days off, and he’ll also get more days as DH than he has in the past, but 2 days a weeks as DH is a ton.

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  So he’ll DH a ton. He’ll probably need to evolve into that type of player soon anyway.

                • http://dinosaursneverexisted.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/melky.jpg Drew

                  Come to think about it. If health allows, NJ will probably DH around 140 games. That knocks Posada’s 15-20 down to 10-15.

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  Ah, of course. Didn’t consider that.

    • Mike Pop

      Posada will get the day off with Cervelli in lineup.

    • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ Nostra-Artist

      Posada will DH 1-2 times a week. Plenty of AB’s for Nick.

      Also, Jorge will be 38 years old next year. Let him take the full day off, it will benefit him.

      • Mike Pop

        Plus, he’s in his decline, he just doesn’t know it. Right?

        • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ Nostra-Artist

          If your referring to his defense, then he’s been in decline since he stopped playing 2B.

          • Mike Pop

            I’m referring to your blog post a few months back dude!

  • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

    Haha, right now LoHud is freaking out. Idiots.

    • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

      Have to post this. Dumbest comment on LoHud, ever:

      “I don’t believe in booing players ever (unless they are on the Red Sox), but I’m not above booing a GM. If Cash signs Nick Johnson, I’m going to boo him every time I see his face on TV or if someone even mentions his name.”

      • Hey ZZ

        It is interesting. Pretty much everyone on here seems to love this signing. Most people over there seem to hate it.

        • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

          This comment just baffles me with its stupidity.

          • BklynJt

            Since writers at lohud don’t like it, readers don’t like it. Opposite applies to readers and writers here

      • steve (different one)

        i don’t get it, how could anyone hate this? it’s awesome

      • radnom

        This made me burst out laughing. Nice.

      • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

        But wait, there’s more. Laura’s response (I’m not even responding to her on LoHud):

        “Join the club [This in response to somebody saying they wished Cash signed Matsui).

        From the previous thread. Wait ’til is over thinks it’s ridiculous that I would want to boo Cashman. That’s his/her opinion. I would boo Cash because I don’t like lying and IMO, if he signs Nick Johnson, he lied to Matsui’s agent. He said that he couldn’t talk about signing a DH until he got a SP and a LF. Well, now we hear that he’s close to signing Nick Johnson, who is nothing more than a DH. Last I checked, he hadn’t signed a SP or a LF yet. That my friends is lying.

        Matsui is a very proud and professional man. If the Yankees wanted no part of him for whatever reason (which seems to be the case), how about telling him that? I have a feeling that Matsui would have respected the truth over a bold faced lie.”

        • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

          This comment’s stupidity is epic and all-encompassing.

          • JMK THE OVERSHARE’s Milton Bradley Fat Park Factor

            That girl better be super hot to make up for the single digit IQ.

      • ecksodia

        Wow. It’s as if the signing is a long term deal for a player in his mid 30′s that clogs up payroll, and not a one year deal to fill up a short term need.

        Are these the same fans who complain when the Sox sign someone like Penny/Smoltz, and say “Oh no, Cashman should do the same thing Theo is doing and do some low risk, high upside signings!”?

        IMHO the deal itself was good on principle; but of course if it doesn’t work out, Cashman is an idiot.

  • nycornerstones

    I HOPE JOHNNY GOES TO A NATIONAL LEAGUE TEAM , HE’S A YANKEE KILER

  • MattG

    News Flash: Playing DH isn’t actually a day off. Thanks to having a real DH, Posada and Rodriguez can take real days off.

    • http://dinosaursneverexisted.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/melky.jpg Drew

      My thoughts exactly.

  • nycornerstones

    I CAN JUST SEE JOHNNY DH ING FOR THE RAYS COMING TO YANKEE STADIUM EH

    • Mike Pop

      i find you funny in a pathetic sort of way.

    • steve (different one)

      WHAT WILL THEY DO WITH PAT BURRELL??

  • The Evil Empire

    Am I the only one that thinks our offense fot 2010 is better than 2009?

    Johnson + Granderson > Damon + Matsui

    • The Evil Empire

      offense for 2010*

      • Johan Iz My Brohan

        If it’s not better, it’s at least equal. Either way I like what we have this year a lot.

    • MattG

      2010 Johnson + 2010 Granderson > 2009 Damon + 2009 Matsui

      2010 Johnson + 2010 Granderson >>>>> 2010 Damon + 2010 Matsui

      I am so glad the Yankees didn’t just return Matsui and Damon, and expect them to do what they did in 2009 again. Not. Gonna. Happen.

      What’s really amazing is I was racking my brain trying to come up with better, affordable alternatives, but I just didn’t see any. Cashman has really done a wonderful job.

      • steve (different one)

        i agree with your second equations, but i’m not sure about the first one. let’s not forget how good those 2 were last year

        • MattG

          2009 Damon >>> 2009 Granderson
          2009 Johnson > 2009 Matsui*

          *its real close, but the NL East ain’t no picnic either, Miami’s a tough place to hit, & NJ did it while palying the field

      • Jobamania

        The past few seasons have REALLY shown why Cashman is one of the best GMs in the game. Sure he has the money, but choosing who to spend it on is extremely important. He always has a gameplan and he never lets the fanbase down. He has a done an extremely good job at pricing players and steering away from the older ones.

    • Chris

      The defense should be better too.

      The only thing to consider in the overall offense is that you’re likely to see some regression in the aging players (Jeter and Posada in particular).

      • radnom

        Yeah, most players really had “best case scenario” years last year.

        Except Arod.

        A full year of healthy Arod should offset that regression.

        • Jobamania

          also, cano with RISP should hopefully improve. There was just no reason for him to have such low numbers in those situations.

        • http://dinosaursneverexisted.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/melky.jpg Drew

          Swish had a great year but he was bad at home. He may be in line for an overall improvement.
          Cano was absolutely terrible with fish on the pond. He’s going to improve.
          Melky age 25 should be better than Melky age 24.
          Teix sucked in April then rebounded, he’ll probably be about the same though.
          Jorge will be the same, maybe a slight decline, same with Jetes.
          Al will do what he does, be the best player in the game(imo).
          With the addition of NJ and C-Grand I think there is room for improvement overall compared to last year.

          • Hughesus Cristo

            Melky isn’t good, at all.

            • http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090810&content_id=6355462&vkey=news_nyy&fext=.jsp&c_id=nyy JobaWockeeZ

              He’s league average while being the Yanks 9th hitter, he’s good enough. If he’s the starting left fielder he will improve the team greatly in defense last year.

              I don’t recall where Drew said he’ll be good by the way in that post.

            • http://dinosaursneverexisted.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/melky.jpg Drew

              +1.

              Players rarely improve once they hit 24. It’s a straight decline from there.

              • MattG

                Not a straight decline–a bumpy one. Even Melky can put together one year of ops+ 115.

  • Jobamania

    Via Tyler Kepner:

    Johnny Damon on Yankees: “It’s part of baseball. Teams try to make moves in hopes to improve their club. I wish them all the best.”

    Johnny Damon on Nick Johnson deal: “I’m glad Nick gets to come back to a great organization. He will love the guys and the new stadium.”

    Hopefully he realizes he priced himself straight out of New York. So long Damon, its been nice.

    • radnom

      Those quotes make it seem like he doesn’t consider there to be much of a chance he signs with them.

      • Jobamania

        i don’t really mind at this point. He played hardball with the wrong organization.

        His demands were just silly and he should have known better. If abreu can sign at 5mill 1 year and then get a 2 year extension, why can’t he take a similar route?

      • http://threequarters.cementhorizon.com/archives/kool%20aid%20man.bmp The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

        Yup… Couple that with the quotes from Hal today (see Thomson’s post at LoHud), and it seems like there’s a lot of distance between Damon and the Yanks right now.

        • http://dinosaursneverexisted.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/melky.jpg Drew

          Yeah. Who knows though? In a month, we may offer 2 yrs 16-20 mil, or 2 yrs 14 mil with some incentives to push it to 20+.

          • Doug

            or 1/6 when he realizes he’s not getting 3+ years from anyone. he should be thankful if he gets 2

  • Jobamania

    The only negative to this signing is that if we lose Nick Johnson, thats our #2 hitter on the shelf. It would be a huge blow to the offense.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

      Agreed.

      You can say the same thing about Damon as well, though. He’s not some sort of lock to not get injured.

      He’s old.

  • Jake H

    Sam at LoHub doesn’t like the deal. I would say this. Career OPS + Nicky Johnson 125, Matsui 124. NJ also 4 years younger

    • Chris

      Nick Johnson also has 2 more functioning knees than Matsui.

      • ecksodia

        I lol’ed.

    • Doug

      well, didn’t exactly say he didn’t like the deal. just that he preferred matsui over johnson for essentially the same $

      • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ Nostra-Artist

        Right, esp since Matsui can always play 1B if Tex . . . . or Left . . . . no, scratch that.

      • Jake H

        1 million helps even the Yankees. Also if Matsui really wants to play the OF that is a huge deal breaker.

        If you look at fangran Hideki has cost the Yankees money over the course of all his contracts.

    • Hey ZZ

      Sam at LoHud also said one of the reasons for Matsui over NJ was postseason success.

      • dudes

        I hope Chad Jennings takes over that blog full time soon.

        • pollo

          +1 I can’t stand Sam Bored’em

  • NYQ

    Someone PLEASE expalin the positives of this deal.
    Lets face it people: Matsui or Damon>>>>>NJ.

    • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

      Did you even read any of the comments on this thread?

      • NYQ

        Not all 500.. if that is what you are asking.

        • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

          Well you anted an explanation, it’s all written here. If you put in a little effort, you could figure out the benefits of the deal w/o too much trouble.

          • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

            *w*anted

            • NYQ

              I wasn’t trying to say I was lazy it is just that aren’t the two proven vets of Matsui and Damon better than Nick Johnson. OK he walks but taking two such important staples out of a CHAMPIONSHIP team is, in my opinion, ridiculous.

              • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                You’re not trying to say you’re lazy, yet you want us to explain the benefits of tis deal when we already wrote it. You just want us to rewrite it.

                Look it up, we’ve already answered this concern several times.

                • NYQ

                  What I MEANT was HOW do these explanations make sense.

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  “I don’t think it’s too much more complicated than this.

                  Cash didn’t want Matsui back because he was older and had bad knees.

                  He picked johnson because he was younger and that youth made him think Johnson would be more productive next year.

                  Both are injury risks so let’s go with the younger guy.

                  I think that’s the sum total of it.”

                  I posted this at 10:20. It’s now 10:31.

                  Just read the comments, dude.

                • Doug

                  once damon overpriced himself, johnson is the best fit for the 2-hole.

                  and by the way, his OPS+ is better than both damon’s and matsui’s

                • Wilcymoore27

                  I’m with NYQ on this. I like Nick Johnson, don’t have any problem at all with the acquisition. But it mitigates damage from the loss of Matsui and possibly Damon; it doesn’t actually make the Yanks better than they were this year. Losing Matsui and Damon (if indeed Damon doesn’t come back) undoubtedly means the Yanks are a weaker offensive team.

                  I’m not completely sold on Posada as the #5 hitter. I admire Jorge, but you have to wonder if one of these years his offensive production isn’t going to start dropping. And Granderson at #6 has some weaknesses, notably his vulnerability to lefties and the drop in his BA and OBP last year. My point is that Matsui was a superior #5 hitter, and provided far better protection for A-Rod.

                  Maybe Cano can have a break-out year in 2010 … with more power he might actually be the Yanks’ best #5 hitter. But I’m not banking on it.

                • AndrewYF

                  You can’t just say Damon and Matsui are going to repeat their numbers next year. You have to project to 2010, and it’s a lot easier for players who are 29 and 32 to have productive seasons than players who are both 36.

              • Doug

                damon’s not twice as good as johnson and that’s the salary we’d have to pay him. and for multiple years.

                johnson for 1/5.5 > damon for 3/30+ or even 2/20+ imo

        • Hey ZZ

          So instead of reading all 500 comments yourself you would rather someone else try to summarize them all for you?

          • NYQ

            Look at above comment…

    • http://threequarters.cementhorizon.com/archives/kool%20aid%20man.bmp The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

      Nick Johnson is probably a better hitter than either Damon or Matsui.

      Source: Fangraphs.com

      /barry’d

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

        Still my new favorite meme.

      • Wilcymoore27

        Damon and Matsui are both better hitters than Nick Johnson.

        Source: watching them play.

        • http://threequarters.cementhorizon.com/archives/kool%20aid%20man.bmp The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

          ::golf clap::

          Oh, wait, you weren’t kidding. Sad.

        • dudes

          Pujols >> all of the above.

          And I’ve never seen him play a full game.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

      Someone PLEASE expalin the positives of this deal.
      Lets face it people: Matsui or Damon>>>>>NJ.

      Let me explain.

      … No, there is too much. Let me sum up.

      Buttercup is marrying Humperdinck in a little less than half an hour. So, all we have to do is get in, break up the wedding, steal the princess, and make our escape… after I kill Count Rugen.

  • nycornerstones

    if anything nj is due for an injury free year he could have his best year

  • http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090810&content_id=6355462&vkey=news_nyy&fext=.jsp&c_id=nyy JobaWockeeZ

    Wait I forgot.
    Confidence level: Over 9000
    The only concern I had with this team was a lack of a DH.
    I love Cashman.

  • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

    Alllllriiiiiiiight.

    /Wooderson’d

    1. Jeter
    2. Johnson
    3. Tex
    4. Nails
    5. Posada
    6. Granderson
    7. Cano
    8. Swisher
    9. Cabrera

    Oh HELL YEAH.

  • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

    The great CB of LoHud’s take:

    “I don’t think it’s too much more complicated than this.

    Cash didn’t want Matsui back because he was older and had bad knees.

    He picked johnson because he was younger and that youth made him think Johnson would be more productive next year.

    Both are injury risks so let’s go with the younger guy.

    I think that’s the sum total of it.”

    I agree completely.

    • vin

      CB was tearing it up over there. His posts are always well-founded and interesting.

    • ecksodia

      Very concise. I agree completely as well.

      • dalelama

        Concise but would rather have Matsui because he has more power and more big game experience and Johnson is injury prone but since Godzilla is gone will settle for Johnson.

  • http://twitter.com/tjamato TJ

    Great move for the Yankees.

    On another note how exactly is Nick Johnson a “base-clogger” in Buster Olney’s words when he’ll be hitting in front of Tex and A-Rod?

    • steve (different one)

      A-Rod will be called out when he overruns Johnson during his HR trots.

  • Hey ZZ

    So with the rotating DH nonsense out of the way can we take anything Cashman says serious or did that go out the window when he said Bubba Crosby was going to be our starting CF?

    • http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090810&content_id=6355462&vkey=news_nyy&fext=.jsp&c_id=nyy JobaWockeeZ

      Meaning he was BS’ing about Joba and Hughes so he can get some fans to STFU?

      Hmm I like how Cashman thinks…

      • Hey ZZ

        What did he say about Joba and Hughes?

        • http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090810&content_id=6355462&vkey=news_nyy&fext=.jsp&c_id=nyy JobaWockeeZ

          They will compete for a rotation spot. Loser goes to the bullpen.

          • Hey ZZ

            Thanks. just saw that in the open thread.

      • http://threequarters.cementhorizon.com/archives/kool%20aid%20man.bmp The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

        That’s a good point for everyone who’s upset about what he said about Joba/Hughes. We have no idea what these guys are really thinking or planning, and what they say to the media during the offseason is very rarely the unvarnished truth.

        • http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090810&content_id=6355462&vkey=news_nyy&fext=.jsp&c_id=nyy JobaWockeeZ

          Nope we have no idea about their plans at all. We only know that Cashman “views both of them as starters” so eventually they’re both going to have to start.

          We just have to wait and see but in Cashman we trust. Hopefully what he said is high on the bull meter but we know they’re both going to get that starting opportunity.

      • pete

        see: Girardi, re: bruney as “setup” man, circa early 2009.
        Cash and Co have smartly realized that the media is so dumb that telling them what they want to hear regardless of its bearing on reality buys them enough time before they realize that what is happening is not what the grownups said would happen that the actually be able to unfold over a large enough sample to prove itself right.

  • Charlie

    its becoming apparent that the yankees should have offered damon arbitration. there was no way he was accepting a one year deal with boras. and yes, i know i’m looking in hindsight, but still

    • Doug

      yanks obviously thought there was a chance he’d accept a $15M one-year deal. and boras notwithstanding, he may have

      • ecksodia

        I initially thought that overpaying 3~5 million for one year of Damon was a good thing. I mean, stats aside, he’ll probably be motivated to perform and try to get one last contract. If he refused, we still would have had the option of trying to sign him for less money per year over two years. And if he refused, we get two draft picks.

        • Doug

          i hear ya. i personally would’ve offered him. but i can see the rational of not; i.e.; just don’t want the risk of paying a guy $5M than he’s worth

          • ecksodia

            Point taken as well. As silly as it may sound to other people, the Yankees can make use of “just” 5 million dollars smartly, too. They probably thought that it was too much for a 36 year old outfielder. True, he’s been durable throughout his career, but combined with other factors (other needs, payroll limitations, other potentially cheaper options on the market), I can see why they didn’t offer him.

            • http://threequarters.cementhorizon.com/archives/kool%20aid%20man.bmp The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

              But the most important consideration the Yankees had to make wasn’t whether the potential arbitration award would be higher than they felt comfortable paying Damon, it was whether Damon would decide, within one week, to accept a one year deal instead of hitting the FA market and seeking a multi-year offer.

              I agree with you, I’m sure they did think that paying Damon $13M-$15M for 2010 wasn’t an attractive option. But that’s not the most important factor in making the decision to offer or decline to offer arbitration. If you think a guy is going to be awarded too much money in arbitration but think he’ll decline the arbitration offer, you make the offer and pocket the first round pick and the compensation round pick.

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

                You’re correct.

              • ecksodia

                That’s true, very true. I think I should’ve mentioned that first before stating the other secondary factors in deciding whether to offer a player arbitration. I thought that at first, they weren’t offering arb immediately because they found it difficult to gauge what Damon would do. So they looked at other factors – I could be wrong, but it’s definitely not out of the realm of possibility that this was how it went down.

                • http://threequarters.cementhorizon.com/archives/kool%20aid%20man.bmp The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                  Oh for sure they decided they weren’t sure enough that he would decline that they felt comfortable making the offer, and their conclusion that the award would have been too high was a factor in their decision-making process. I just think they’re too conservative with these decisions. They shouldn’t have been so scared of the potential award that they allowed that fear to outweigh the probability that Damon would decline the offer. I think that probability was pretty high and they should have realized that. This is a guy with a track-record of looking for years/money – let’s not forget he came to the Yankees in the first place because they offered an extra year and some extra money over what the Sox offered him. He left a team with which he was very popular, the guy was practically a folk hero, over a matter of money. Add to that the fact that he’s coming off of a career year and his agent is Scott Boras and this is probably his last shot at a multi-year contract, and I’d argue that writing was on the wall… This was a guy the Yankees should have realized was not going to accept an arbitration offer.

                • ecksodia

                  Definitely agree on that. I strongly believe he would not have accepted arbitration.

                  If the market for him collapses, and he gets two equal offers (one of them from the Yankees) he may not want come to the Yankees out of pride. But if he realizes it’s just business, then he’ll see that with his bat in the lineup, the Yankees are going to have a very good chance to repeat as World Series champions.

                  I guess we’ll just have to see how the rest of the off season plays out.

        • ecksodia

          The second “if he refused” should have been “if he doesn’t want to resign”. Haha.

    • lebigyank

      oh god yeah (slaps forehead)

    • http://threequarters.cementhorizon.com/archives/kool%20aid%20man.bmp The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

      Yup. Hop on the bandwagon, I’ll be driving it until Cashman learns to read players’ intentions and gets himself some compensation draft picks. It would have been a risk, but it’s always a risk. You can’t get the draft picks if you don’t take a chance here and there, and Damon is one of those times when he should have taken the chance. There was no way he was going to decide, within ONE WEEK, to accept an arbitration-based one-year deal.

  • Ryan

    I’d still rather have Godzilla.

    • YankeeGaGa

      I feel good knowing that Cashman knows a lot more about Matsui’s knees then most people on here.

  • Bryan

    going to miss damon, but i think this is a great signing. Guy proved he can play in ny, hes a good guy from what i recall and if he stays healthy (which you can say for damon as well) he is a good offensive talent and is a great bargain at 1 year 5.5. He also is motivated to play well because he will be a free agent next season. One more point that makes a lot of sense (hat tip tyler kepner at nyt) one year commitment on the cheap, leaves a lot of options open for next year for that free agent class. I personally would love to see carl crawford as our next big time left fielder

  • pete

    It might be time for another Brian Cashman appreciation thread soon…

    5.5 mil for NJ = steal
    Curtis Granderson for Austin Jackson and Ian Kennedy = very good deal
    Not taking the bait on the overpriced and overaged Damon and Matsui = smart
    Not taking the bait/jumping the gun and overpaying/overcommitting to Holliday = smart
    Not bothering with Lackey = smart
    Not ransacking the farm system for a 32 year old and soon to be very expensive Roy Halladay = smart

    People make the argument that with his budget anyone could be a good GM, but it is precisely the moves that Cash DOESN’T make that define his brilliance, and would likely be the pitfalls of other GMs who could very well see “big budget” as “limitless budget” and pay heavily for it in the future. Cashman is proving himself to be VERY good at building around the stars. Being the yankees does make it easier to sign big-name free agents, but recognizing the difference between CC/AJ/Teix and Lackey and Holliday, plus recognizing that neither Halladay nor Santana were worth trading for, takes intelligence and perspective. In Cash I trust.

    • sleepykarl

      Yankees GM can be tough too. If I remember, a lot of the late 90′s early 00′s big free agent bust where due to the Boss’ demands, despite Cash being against it. The recoil of the bust comes down on him.

  • sleepykarl

    “I am with you on this if it is true. I do not understand this signing at all. I use to go into panic attacks in close games when Matsui came to the plate. I tell you the biggest problem I have with Johnson is that he clogs up the bases with his speed. In the Yankees lineup, I think he has to bat in the back of the lineup.”

    Red Sox fan on MLBTR

    It’s such a hassle when a guy is on base 40% of the time.

    • http://dinosaursneverexisted.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/melky.jpg Drew

      Seriously. He’d serve us much better if he was fast and made outs 70% of the time.

  • d-ness

    I like this Johnson signing slightly. I think DeRosa would have been a better match, as he really is the most versatile player we could sign. If you can rotate a guy around to almost all fields and also play him in the infield, or use him to light a fire under Cano’s ass so he doesn’t slack, you are talking about a solid acquisition. More power, comparable OBP, and not the same injury history. Nick Johnson seems like a handcuff in the lineup. And honestly, I think I like Cougar (Granderson) better higher than slot…all OBP issues aside, his speed is far superior to Johnson

    I heard the whispers of a possible Matt Kemp trade recently. I LOVE this idea. We woudn’t need Crawford or Holliday if that were the case. He is young, and I don’t know if our prospects would match up with LA’s needs, but they could save some mulah… Lets do it Cash money

    • bonestock94

      DeRosa is overpriced and overrated, and can play any position…poorly.

  • Mac1

    Its a nice signing until Beckett hits him on the wrist in his first AB on April 4th and puts him on the DL for the season. That 5.5 mil won’t look like such a bargain then (that is if he actually makes it out of spring training healthy).

    Would have rather seen the Yanks go with a RH DH like Dye or Vlad to protect A-Rod.

    I get the Yanks don’t want to give Damon more than 2 – that’s fine and I’m glad they are getting younger, but NJ isn’t the right bat to replace Damon in the two hole.

  • cheddar

    I’m very happy about this. Especially if the savings are put toward bolstering the pitching staff, either now or for the future (Chapman).

    On a semi-related note, I had a dream last night that the Yanks were holding a press conference for the NJ signing, and Andy Williams burst onto the podium singing “Matty Hollidays, toooo yoooouuu!” He was then carted off by Levine and a few other suits while Waldman remarked, “Oh my goodness, goodness gracious!”