Dec
01
Rumor du jour: Halladay won’t accept a trade after Spring Training
ByBuster Olney is reporting that Blue Jays ace Roy Halladay “will not approve any proposed deal after he reports to spring training,” effectively setting a deadline for a trade. Johan Santana set a similar deadline two years ago, and the Halladay situation is starting to mirror the Johan sweepstakes almost to a T. I’m guessing now we’ll hear non-stop reports about what the Yankees and Red Sox are offering, only to have him land with Philly or something.
Colleti is just itching to do something stupis like offer up Kershaw for Holliday.
I’m pretty sure whoever ends up writing the checks for the Dodgers would be disinclined to pay for Halladay even if they were able to come up with a not-stupid trade package
JEsus. Can’t we please spell Halladay* the correct way. It’s in the post for Mo-sakes.
It wouldn’t be nearly as annoying if Matt Holliday weren’t a FA at the same time…
Barack Obama and Osama bin Laden are in the news at the same time all the time, and yet we can spell those names appropriately.
I’m just saying.
That’s my point. The only reason it’s really annoying is that there are two similar names in the news now and people can’t get them right to distinguish between them.
Unless you work for Fox News.
Touché.
Yes, it’s not like there an even more dishonest, pathetic & biased news network, right. Oh, waitaminute I forgot about MSNBC. But who hears a tree fall if no one is there to listen, huh
I’m glad Halladay set a deadline as it lessens the chances of him being traded (by virtue of there being a smaller window of opportunity). I’ve hopped the fence and decided, in my humble opinion, that Doc is NOT worth one of Joba/Hughes, but if Halladay makes it to FA in 2011, I will be leading the rally call for his signing.
or they feel more pressure to deal him if they’re just not willing to get just the draft picks for him
“I’m guessing now we’ll hear non-stop reports about what the Yankees and Red Sox are offering, only to have him
land with Philly or somethingforce a stalemate and not be moved this winter, and then reverse course and approve a midseason trade to the Phillies or Dodgers or something for one singular prospect like Kyle Drabek or Andrew Lambo when the Jays are mired in last place and Halladay is miserable as shit.”Fixed.
OR Roy Halladay could finally have piece of mind that he’ll hit Free agency. Halladay can go out there and throw 10 CG. Declining peripherals and all. Halladay is that good.
Halladay throwing 10 complete game victories with a 1.00 ERA at the All-Star Break AND the Blue Jays being mired in last place are far from mutually exclusive.
OH sure. I’m just saying that i’ll wager that Halladay’s performance is little affected by the Jays overall w/l record.
Halladay can have peace of mind that he is going to hit free agency no matter what. That is his choice. No matter what team he gets traded to.
But there are teams that Halladay wants no part of. The uncertainty in-between starts last season took a toll on Halladay’s preparation.
What Mike is saying is, Halladay does not have to sign an extension with ANYONE if he so chooses. So, whether he gets traded to a team he likes or one he doesn’t doesn’t really matter.
He can be a free agent next winter if he wants to be a free agent next winter.
The chatter or cacophany (in Halladay’s case) is distracting and has affected Halladay’s performance. That’s half of what i’m saying. Eliminate that and Halladay could go out there and cruise to 10 CGs.
Reggie, I see what you’re saying.
Nobody cares, though. Whether Halladay pitches awesome during the first half or just solid is fairly moot to the whole “Where will he end up?” question. The only thing that changes the game in any real way is if he pitches poorly all of a sudden.
or an injury.
Well he’ll get traded to a team he likes or not at all since he has a full no trade clause in his contract iirc.
I know its getting popular to dump on Halladay, mostly because a lot of fans don’t want to see the FO trade 4 prospects for an aging pitcher (which is entirely understandable).
But I’m just wondering which one of Halladay’s “peripherals” you think are declining?
Blue Jays team wins.
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Since when is 33 old??
The guy is in his prime.
NO! I LOVE ANDREW LAMBO!! HES HILARIOUS AND I WOULD HATE FOR HIM TO BE A BLUE JAY!
If at the end of Spring Training the Yanks or Sox offer the Jays a deal they can’t resist, I have a feeling Halladay would be happy to extend his deadline.
If at midseason the Jays are out of it, why would Halladay decline a trade to a team fighting for the playoffs. I just don’t see this deadline as anything serious.
says that all the rumors last deadline were a major distraction to both he and his teammates. doesn’t want to go thru that circus again
I believe that he wants to be dealt as soon as possible, and putting this pressure on will maybe move that along. But when push comes to shove at midseason, or at the end of Spring Training, I don’t see why he would decline a trade to the right team.
Yeah, I agree. I mean, if the Blue Jays work something out with, say, Philly half way through spring training, does anyone actually see Halladay insisting that he’s going to stay in Toronto?
(keeps hand down)
he may not, but he just doesn’t seem to want to be hounded for the whole month of july on where’s he’s going, who he would waive his NTC to, things like that.
But would he rather deal with that, or spend another August/September pitching in Toronto?
well, if you believe what olney reported, the latter
Well, I don’t believe it I guess.
You know, a good way for him to avoid being hounded about waiving his NTC and being asked where he’s going to be traded to… would be for him to waive his NTC and get traded somewhere.
interesting take
If it’s the middle of the summer and the Jays are 10-12 games behing Yankees/Boston I think Doc will waive his NTC to go to a contender.
And don’t be surprised if that contender is… the Cubs.
You heard it here first. (Well, probably not, but whatevs.)
I predict he goes to the Houston Astros, if for no other reason than to look like a complete genius if it actually happens.
A slightly more realistic prediction is that the Mets trade half their entire AA roster to get him.
The Mets can trade their entire AA and High A teams… it still may not be enough to land Halladay. That farm is still pretty bare.
This guy thinks Pelfrey and Tejada get it done!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vs9zgKqFTMs
Is he wearing a Plaxico jersey?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
where, oh where, did you find this.
The Mets farm system is in better shape then people give it credit for. They easily have enough to land Doc.
Every team has enough to get Doc. The only question is whether they are willing to part with enough.
If this is true, I believe there is pretty much a 90% chance of moving Doc. J.P. messed up by not moving him at the deadline in 2009 – good for us
but I think the current GM Mr. Anthopoulos will be smart to get something good for him instead of the 2 draft picks after he leaves. Do Doc a favor and let him get settled in his new home over the offseason. Corny, I know.
He’s getting moved. Here’s to hoping it’s not the Red Sox.
Don’t you think this ultimately lies with the fate of “Solid” Andy Pettitte? If Pettitte decides to retire…I would think the Halladay scenario and need becomes far more necessary. If Andy Pettitte does decide to come back…there’s less of a need to pull the strings to trade off the farm for 1 year of a 33 year old who will require a hefty extension as well…putting him, Sabathia, and Burnett into the suppose declining years all together at the same time in the future…
Nah.
If Pettitte retires, sign Lackey or Sheets or Harden or J-Douche or something to plug that last spot in the rotation. Fix it in free agency, not via trade.
We have a strategic aversion to trading good prospects for guys a year from free agency. It is a sound business practice. No need to panic and abandon it just because Pettitte retires unexpectedly.
Signing Lackey instead of Halladay makes no real sense. The money isn’t going to be much different, especially on a per year basis, and the cost in prospects it would take to get Halladay is made up for by the fact that Halladay is a much better pitcher than Lackey.
and the cost in prospects it would take to get Halladay is made up for by the fact that Halladay is a much better pitcher than Lackey.
I disagree vehemently.
I’d rather pay Lackey Halladay money and KEEP Joba/Hughes/Montero than pay Halladay Halladay money and NOT HAVE Joba/Hughes/Montero.
I’ll take the decrease from Halladay to Lackey if it means I get to keep my blue-chip prospects. Even if it means overpaying Lackey.
Because overpaying Lackey and having our boys >>>>>>> trading our boys and paying Halladay!
Well I still don’t think the Blue Jays are going to command that sort of return for Halladay, so I guess our idea of what “prospects” is referring to just differs.
I don’t think the two are connected. A trade for Doc would probably include Joba or Hughes, which would open a rotation spot for Halladay.
Don’t underestimate the positive effect AJ is having on his buddy Halladay. From AJ’s public statements to reports that Halladay wants to go to the Yanks and this spring training deadline this is really looking like a Yankee deal that will happen and happen at a more Santana like price in talent. Perhaps the key here is for the Yanks to not ask for a window to negotiate an extension (and take the risk they could get the extension done after the trade) which will keep the talent price down. Blue Jays back is really the one against the wall here.
Yes, but, they want Montero and one of Joba/Hughes.
Halladay and Burnett can be best buds, but we’re not parting with our bluechippers just to reunite them. If they’re such good friends, AJ needs to tell Halladay to veto any trade that comes with an extension and wait patiently to hit the market, so we can sign him outright.
and have Halladay sign for 3 years and 12 million dollars. While Burnett gives 30 million of his own to Halladay.
Heh. That would be awesome.
AJ: Here, Roy. Take some of my money. Mo knows, I don’t deserve it as much as you do.
Roy: Thanks, buddy.
AJ: Oh, and have one of these too–
(smashes pie in Halladay’s face)
… aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand, SCENE!
The Blue Jays could give a shit about that extension period. That will not factor in at all when it comes to the haul they are looking to get in prospects.
meant to reply to the first post in this “square”?
Who cares what the Blue Jays are asking for in return. The Blue Jays choice will come down to keep him and get 2 draft picks or trade him to Yanks for a lesser package dictated by the Yanks if Halladay insists on the Yanks and insists that it happens before spring training. Maybe the Jays will just decide to keep him (which is what the Twins should have done with Santana) but all the relevant info made public to date indicates that the Yanks getting Halladay for a lesser package is not an unrealistic outcome here.
Meh, they can want Joe Mauer for him; if no one’s paying that price, there’s nothing they can do about it.
“veto any trade that comes with an extension ”
Or just not sign any extensions.
Still don’t want to trade for him.
If you could get Halladay for a package similar to what the Mets gave up for Santana, would you do it? That would be something like Austin Jackson plus a bunch of minor league pitchers. I don’t expect that to be enough, but anything can happen and I’d make that deal in a heartbeat.
Yes. IF the Yankees could get him without giving up Joba, Hughes, or Montero. I would do it. But like you, I doubt that the Jays would take quantity over quality.
Could happen, would be epic. But I doubt that it does.
I think if the Jays were deciding between taking a AJax centric (i.e., no Joba/Hughes/Montero) package from the Yankees, or letting Halladay walk and taking two draft picks, they’d choose the picks.
Not only from a player standpoint, but also from a PR standpoint. Yes, AJax is good, but the two top-50 picks are probably worth more than AJax, and then you don’t get the PR disaster of trading Halladay for a subpar return.
JMHO.
You are probably right.
If the Yankees were willing to give up AJax, Romine, Nova, and McAllister, and this was the best offer Toronto got, I think they’d be pretty stupid to turn it down. You’d have to get damn lucky to turn a late first round pick and a sandwich pick into a better return than that.
Amazes me that people are against the thought of adding the games best and most consistent starter.
Amazes me that you still can’t grasp the concept of patience or long term strategy.
We’re not against “adding” Halladay. We’re against TRADING FOR Halladay. There’s a GIGANTIC difference.
Am I the only one to think that Halladay may not be able to handle NY? He seemed to really have a tough time pitching when the media focused on him and his possible trade.
I know he can pitch in the AL East. But can he perform under the pressures of NY?
Not sure I trust him…
Yes. He can handle NY.
But he did mess up in the All Star Game!
Of all the concerns about Halladay, I think that one is the least likely to keep Cashman and co. from acquiring him.
Seems like I might be the only one that wants this guy….I understand we dont want to trade Jesus but if you can get this guy with a package of joba/jackson/Mcallister/nova…I wouldnt even think twice….I understand hes 33 but last year you can argue that he was the best pitcher in baseball…. CC/Doc/Aj/Andy/hughes= WS #28
Lots of titles >>>>> one title
CC/AJ/Doc/Joba/Hughes for 2011 and beyond >>>>>>> CC/Doc/AJ/Andy/Hughes for just 2010 and then some other permutation after that
No I have been on teh Halladay bandwagon for weeks and I have been getting killed. I dont think people understand how good Halladay is and how good he would be in a Yankees uniform. I am all for Johnson/Felix however they are not available at this time and might never be. Now is the chance to get Halladay he wants to pitch in New York and if the price is reasonable or comparative to what the Mets gave up for Santana then seems like a no brainer.
I think we all realize just how good Doc is. Even if we only follow the Yankees(which most of us here follow the MLB as a whole), we watch him dominate the Yankees game in and game out.
WE all know how good he is, that’s not the issue. The issue is giving up important pieces of the future for him, then signing him to a long-term deal where 60 mill plus of the payroll will be committed to three pitchers.
I’m a huge Halladay fan, he’s one of the best pitchers I’ve ever watched pitched. But I(like most of us here) am just not a fan of giving up the package that would have to include Joba, Hughes, or Montero to get him.
He is not a necessity. This team will be very competitive with or without Doc. The farm can also not take a shot like that because it just isn’t that deep in the upper levels right now. Montero is one of the best prospects in baseball and Joba/Hughes are two of the better young pitchers in baseball.
That’s the issue.
You do not know Montero would have to be included. Maybe Romine can replace Monetro. The Guy wants to come here and as you said we all know how good he is. Do you think 10 years of Joba will be better than 5 years of Halladay? Assuming Joba is the front of the package?
Well, I’m not down for giving up any of the Montero, Hughes, Joba tripod for Doc. Not even if my boy A.J. desperately wants him here.
Do I know 10 years of Joba will be better than 5 of Doc? No I don’t but I’m willing to hold onto Joba and find out because I have faith that he will be an above average starter. Plus, he won’t make nearly the money Doc will over the next 5 years.
Halladay will go anywhere that’s a contending team. I guarantee his top choices are teams like the Yankees, Sox, Angels, Dodgers, Cardinals, Phillies, etc. Teams that are already contending and he could only make better.
Yankees could be his #1 destination because that’s where the money is. But I doubt he wants to come here and only here.
Well we agree to disagree-I say if you can do the deal for a package comprable to what the Mets gave up for Santana then you do the deal. The reason I have faith in Halladay is he has pitched and dominated the american league and american league east. He is durable and I would be shocked if we did not get 5 cy young quality years out of him. I am not as optomistic about Joba moving forward as you are. I am also not convinced he has a wide list of teams he would approve a trade to. Again just my opinion however one way or the other the Yankees will have to do something to address the rotation. If that means Felix Hernandez or Josh Johnson then sign me up. However if Halladay goes to Boston I guarantee there will be public outcry from Yankees fans.
Well we agree to disagree-I say if you can do the deal for a package comprable to what the Mets gave up for Santana then you do the deal.
No, we all agree on that too. We agree that if you can get Halladay for a Carlos Gomez and stuff type deal, you do it.
Where we disagree is the likelihood of that happening. You think it’s possible, we don’t.
And no, Joba and stuff is not a “Santana-like package”, because Joba is a MUCH, MUCH better prospect than anything the Twins got for Santana. By leaps and bounds.
However if Halladay goes to Boston I guarantee there will be public outcry from Yankees fans.
Dumb ones, sure. I’m not going to let the overreaction of ignorant, uneducated fans with a consistent lack of perspective guide my personnel decisionmaking process.
I dont think people understand how good Halladay is and how good he would be in a Yankees uniform.
No, we understand.
We just don’t like the price, and we’re willing to be patient and wait for a better opportunity to acquire another SP to come along, because they always do.
You’re not the only one. The voice of reality is just shouted down by the masses who are in love with the farm system and prospects.
They actually argue that a rotation of CC-AJ-Doc is a bad thing. But hey joba is the best 4 inning pitcher in the game.
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The only team Halladay has stated that he wouldplay for is the Yankees, maybe he does not want to go to the sox. This to me resembles more the Randy Johnson deal. If Halladay only would play for the Yankees that would help move this along.
no it wouldnt because they still would have to give up what toronto wants or they keep hm and get 2 draft picks
I think they’d rather have Joba Chamberlain than 2 draft picks.