Yankees bring back Chad Gaudin
ByVia Mark Feinsand, the Yankees have signed Chad Gaudin for bullpen depth, and he’s expected to be added to roster in time for tonight’s game. The Yanks released him at the end of Spring Training in favor of Sergio Mitre, a move that was greatly ridiculed around these parts. They only had to pay Gaudin $737,000 of termination pay (rather than his full $2.95M salary), and now they only have to pay him the pro-rated minimum from here on out since Oakland is on the hook for his 2010 contract after designating him for assignment. Gaudin posted an 8.83 ERA (but a 3.92 xFIP) in 17.1 IP for the A’s.
Feinsand mentions that Gaudin is being brought back to serve as the long man, so it’s possible that Mitre will be moved into a more leverage relief role, which Joe advocated yesterday. Both a 40-man and 25-man roster move are needed to accommodate his return. Bye bye Boone Logan?
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Is…is Boone Logan gone finally?
Wouldn’t surprise me to see Boone Logan start the 1st game today. Mauer, Morneau lead off and Kubel bats if anyone reaches. Of course Logan will probably walk Mauer, give up a double to Morneau, strike out Cuddyer and get Kubel to line out to Jeter who then doubles off Morneau.
I so hope so….
Is the champagne on ice?
Great news. He gives the Yanks a second swing man, to go along with Mitre. And I’m assuming the Yanks won’t be paying him the 3 million dollar salary.
lol.. you are slow.
I love the way Yanks have handled on cheap moves. Cashman is a true Yankee.
OMG U WERE THE FIRST PERSON ON THE INTERWEBZ TO KNOW!!!!
He knew before the interwebz, he has a direct line to Cashman.
He IS Cashman
and none of us still care.
Party ruiner.
sorry ha. my bad. but according to nomaas i do hear cash$ wears killer hoodies…can you confirm you-boo?
(today we spell redemption p-e-c-k)
You act like you know everything and you are the only one that does. Stop.
who says I know everything?
who says I know everything?
Jesus, the Dali Lama, Stephen Hawking and Kevin Sorbo (of Hercules semi-fame), but I’m sure there are others. Good company!
one of these is not like the other
(pssst, it is the one that wasn’t real….)
Kevin Sorbo?
Don’t hate on Sorbo. I went with a religious/spiritual deity route. Sorbo was more fitting than others. Gotta roll with what you’re given, you know?
psss, i meant jesus.
Stop. Don’t get into this here. Not the time or place.
So, you are applauding yourself for breaking news in a different thread therefore making it off-topic and a no-no on this site… CONGRATULATIONS!
thank you I think. I did not know that it actually hurt your feeling.
Classic lame-ass RAB commenter response #586:
Don’t respond to what someone actually said, just accuse them of only responding because their feelings were hurt.
Repeated what was said in previous topic.
It looks like Aceves is done for season with back surgery and Logan is opted back to minor after the afternoon game.
What kind of roster moves need to take place in order to do this? I’m going to guess Aceves to the 60-day DL for a place on the 40-man and bye bye Boone for a spot on the 25-man? With Granderson coming back on Friday, I’m guessing Russo would go down but I’m afraid that they’ll send him down for Gaudin to carry the extra pitcher. That would mean someone else with an option would go down Friday (Boone) or they’d have to cut someone, Winn in particular.
Either way, Boone is gone when Curtis comes up in a few days.
I’m not so sure though. Like I said, I wonder if Russo goes down now and they release Winn on Friday. This would mean they are carrying 13 pitchers. That’s my worry.
they will not release randy winn
I dont think this is necessarily true, now that he has been benched in favor of a rookie.
HAhahaha. I’m going to sit here and laugh.
Any thoughts on whether this is a long-term move, or just for a few games?
Right now, it depends on Ace’s situation. It is easy to say Gaudin stays for a season since Ace faces a potential back surgery and Yanks are not going to wait for him. we will see.
Peace, Boone. From his Wikipedia page: “Boone Logan is an avid dungeons and dragons player. He usually plays a dwarf elf wizard specializing in switch spell-casting and magical rejuvenation spells.”
Soon Boone to can root for the Yankees from the comforts of his mother’s basement. I feel a kindred connection to him now.
Obviously Gaudin wasn’t hot stuff with the A’s, but his strikeouts were good (10.4) and walks were also encouraging (2.69).
While he may be no more than a depth move, I thought it was foolish to squander so much starting pitching depth in the first place; going from CC, AJ, Andy, Javy, Hughes, Joba, Mitre, Gaudin to CC, AJ, Andy, Javy, Hughes, Mitre can really catch up to a team.
Please let this be the end of Boone Logan….
Not a terrible move, but it’s hard for me to defend having Gaudin on the team over Melancon. They are really trying to destroy their best relief prospect with the way they’ve handled him over the past two seasons.
“They are really trying to destroy their best STARTING prospect with the way that they’ve handled him over the past two seasons”
FTFY
/Joba’d
On a serious note though, this isn’t hurting Melancon that badly, he’s logging in his innings down in AAA, sure he has already proven himself at that level, but he’s still young and has time. I’m sure he’ll be with the team late this season and (hopefully) post up numbers like the ones in AAA.
Rightyyyykilllaaaahhhh
not this yr. everyone is hittign over 320 this yr against gaudin…wtf happened
BABIP against vs. RHB is .448 and he does have a 14/2 K/BB ratio.
The scary thing against RHB is the 4 HR’s.
His HR/FB is 22.7%, some of that is likely due to bad pitching, but I still think it will drop.
I really like both Mitre and Gaudin, but only as the 11th and 12th men on the staff. Logan has a good arm, but he’s the least effective member of the pen. Having a LOOGY be the 12th man doesn’t make a lot of sense because LOOGY’s almost always get used in high leverage situations.
Filling the back of your pen with guys who can provide multiple league average (or close to it) innings and spot starts is the smart move.
Without Logan, it will reduce a mixed and matched crap. Gaudin and Park better pitch well against lefties. Otherwise they will bring Logan back.
chad gaudin has never pitched well against lefties and should nto be given any opportunity to for the ny yankees
Unless they are down 8 runs an need innings.
I mean Gaudin, Mitre and Park need to pitch well enough for Giardi not to bring Logan back. I expect Gaudin will be used in meaningless situation anyway. That will leave Mitre and Park to do Ace’s job.
Mitre should still be the long man. Gaudin should face RHBs only.
This could be an amaing couple of Days in Yankee Land…. Today we dump Logan and Friday Dump Winn… man that would dump some serious dead weight…
Now Sergio can take over for Ace and Gaudin can take over for Mitre, Pen becomes a lot better all of the sudden.
http://riveraveblues.com/2010/.....ent-897596
With Ace now down for MO knows how long, i really do like this move.
Gaudin was horrid in Oak numbers wise (as noted in the story though he might have ran into some bad luck) but i think coming back here will be just what the doctor ordered.
with that said…i really don’t know if i can endorse the ‘Mitre in high leverage’ stuff quite yet.
Gaudin was horrid in Oak numbers wise
Depending on how you meant this to be interpreted – he actually did significantly worse on the road.
I agree. In my mind, Mitre keeps his current role, and Gaudin replaces Logan. CHoP replaces Aceves
Closer: Mo
EIG: Joba
Quality reliever: Robertson
LOOGY: Marte
Flex reliever: Park
Innings Eater/Spot Starter #1: Mitre
Innings Eater/Spot Starter #2: Gaudin
Cashman and Girardi talked all winter about getting the team to be more flexible. Ditching the ineffective LOOGY (Logan) and replacing him with a guy like Gaudin is a good start to making the pen more effective. Even if Gaudin pitches as poorly as Logan, Girardi is less likely to use him in important situations because he’s a righty.
Replacing Logan with Gaudin; keeping Thames off the field; and not over-exposing the bench guys are all little things that will help win games.
I’d rather see Mitre as the sole long man with Gaudin being the righty version of Marte. It seems like the more set-in-(logical)-stone guys Girardi has, the better (or less frustrating) he is. Otherwise, assuming Flex means close game bridge if the starter is out early, I like it.
.432 BABIP…..jeeez.
And like at 20% HR/FB percentage.
What do Gaudin and Boone Logan have in common? Neither can get out lefties.
Ouch.
Love the move but hope he’s used in short relief rather than opening up Mitre for that work. Would really love to see him used strictly as a ROOGY (or RTOGY, as the lineups may go). Plenty of big-time RHB in the AL East he could be effective against. That 14/2 SO/BB (26.4% SO%) is all I care about from his 2010 stats.
Gaudin posted an 8.83 ERA (but a 3.92 xFIP) in 17.1 IP for the A’s.
27 hits, 17 runs, 5 HR, and 3 hit batters in 17.1 IP??
A sophisticated… http://www.istockphoto.com/fil.....stinks.jpg (SAFE)
Though a 10.9 SO/9 ain’t that bad.
Ohhhhhh a new one!
I do wonder where you find these sometimes. Do you just search for “random guy squeezing his nose”?
Gaudin’s ability to put up a terrible ERA with a good FIP/weird peripherals is impressive.
Poor man’s Jeremy Bonderman.
A very poor man.
LOL
The Squirrel from last night + http://clubseatsports.com/wp-c.....gaudin.jpg = foreshadowing of today’s events.
heh.
that thing is insane.
Cashmoney’s doing some mad pimpin’, now with Gaudin back for 2/3 of the season for 1/3 of the money.
And he is probably not worth that yes Cashman is pimpin.
LOL
There we go. Some good news! Gaudin is a pretty good pitcher. Hes struggled this year, but he did do some good things for us last year.
“Hes struggled this year” key words
“but he did do some good things for us last year.”
I’m sorry and that matters in what way this year.
So Gaudin can’t turn it around? Teixeira did a lot of good things last year, but he’s struggling this year. Doesn’t mean I’m going to give up on him. Same with Gaudin, who could be useful in the bullpen; it’s worth a try.
I agree that it’s worth a try, but comparing Teixeira to Gaudin no just no.
There not even in the same world.
I’m not comparing them.
Teixeira was good last year he is struggling this year lets not give up on him.
Gaudin was good last year he is struggling this year lets not give up on him.
That’s not comparing?
Forget the fact that one is one of the best players in baseball while the other is journeymen reliever.
I have more faith in Tex for some reason.
Don’t understand this love affair with Gaudin?
The Yankees cut him and he sign with the A’s posted an 8.83 ERA then they cut him (which tells a lot right there).
Its a ok move I guess he will probably be better then Logan which isn’t saying much.
I don’t think that this falls under the “Great news” headline.
27 hits, 17 runs, 5 HR, and 3 hit batters in 17.1 IP
I know I’m not much of a numbers guys, but I don’t think that this is good.
Used properly (i.e. never facing a lefty in a non-mopup role), Gaudin has decent value. Since 2007, he’s struck out 264 of the 1,010 righties he’s faced (26.1%) and walked only 77 (7.6%, 3.43 SO/BB). And he’s done it consistently, there isn’t a single year spike carrying the overall numbers; no SO% below 25%, no SO/BB below 3.25. That’s worth carrying on an 11/12 man staff.
Hopefully this is all in Girardi’s binder.
You should call the A’s and tell them they didn’t use him properly.
I’m sorry they are probably losing Ace and gaining Gaudin that’s not cause for celebration.
He is worth a try on a short leash and that’s about it any else is looking at it with RAB goggles
“You should call the A’s and tell them they didn’t use him properly.”
Is that humor?
“I’m sorry they are probably losing Ace and gaining Gaudin that’s not cause for celebration.”
Who here has said they’re happy with the tradeoff? People like Gaudin because unlike, say, Tim Redding, there’s a skillset you can point to. Gaudin is very good at striking out righties. There are times in a ball game when a righty is hitting and you’d like a guy who can minimize the chances of a ball in play. Gaudin offers that. I mean, its not like Gaudin’s signing is what made Aceves’ back worse. I imagine you know there’s no relation between the two events and no one is celebrating Aceves being out because it meant Gaudin’s return. Just like some people were happy to see Miranda get a shot; that didn’t mean they were anti-Nick Johnson. Finding a logical silver lining isn’t an awful trait for one to have.
“He is worth a try on a short leash and that’s about it any else is looking at it with RAB goggles”
Are RAB goggles what people who prefer statistical analysis over snap opinions and knee-jerk reactions wear? Sometimes insults aren’t insulting.
“Are RAB goggles what people who prefer statistical analysis over snap opinions and knee-jerk reactions wear?”
Nope. Its people who like a player just because the thread writers here like him forget that his numbers this year are for shit.
Hey I hope Gaudin works out, but I’m not holding my breath.
and this:
27 hits, 17 runs, 5 HR, and 3 hit batters in 17.1 IP is not ” snap opinions and knee-jerk reactions”
It’s called what you guys say statistical proof.
First of all: Its not an echo chamber in here. Many of us like the same players because we value the same things, not because we’re told to like them.
Second of all: To repeat myself, Gaudin works as a ROOGY, not as a 5th starter or a blindly used 7th inning guy or any of that. The only numbers that matter in Oakland are his numbers against righties. And, as mentioned ad nauseum, you can point to fluky bad luck in both the BABIP and HR/FB rates. This shit is proven; over the long term pitchers don’t give up hits on only 21.3% of their balls in play (which is why Livan will regress) and they don’t give up hits on 43.2% of balls in play (which is why Gaudin will improve). Your points are no more salient because you can’t grasp this.
Lets just leave it at we will see. Just please don’t forget our debate if they light up Mr. Gaudin like the Rockefeller Center Christmas Tree.
Sure. And maybe play around with stuff like BABIP and HR/FB and career splits over at Fangraphs. You might understand why people aren’t as freaked out as you are.
I’ll even link it for you!
http://www.fangraphs.com/stats.....position=P
No need I just like to watch the game and see what happens in live action. Not freaking out at all just not as enthusiastic as some of you guys are about Mr. Gaudin
“Hopefully this is all in Girardi’s binder.”
That and all the Secrets of the Universe.
This BP is suddenly not looking all that good. No Ace, an ineffective Logan and Park, now Gaudin. Who’s next? Bruney. He just got released.
That will probably be the next ” Great news”.
I called this a week ago, what a beast
So you were the guy who predicted a team would resign a player they didn’t really want to release in the first place. Well done, Bonestradamus.
Thanks man, its about time I got some recognition.
Predict something else. I’ll totally back you if it turns out to be right.
2010 champions
go grab bruney, we need to look at him again.