Close: Six-year, $150M demand is untrue

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In an unsurprising turn of events, Derek Jeter‘s agent Casey Close shot down this morning’s report indicating that the Yankee captain wants a six-year deal worth $150M. “The recently rumored terms of our contract extension are simply inaccurate,” said Close to Yahoo’s Tim Brown. Like I said, it’s completely unsurprising. Jeter’s camp had to do some damage control even if report was true, because it’s a simply laughable request.

Barred any breaking news, I’m declaring RAB Derek Jeter-free this weekend. We all need a bit of a break from this circus.

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  • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

    Shocked! (Not really shocked.)

    • Stacoe44702

      SHOCKED? Not in this day and age! I’ll believe it ain’t true when this guy signs a new deal for whatever amount. This crap is so ‘juvenile’ and silly.

  • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

    Yankees: Yeah-huh!
    Close: Nut-uh!

    • http://twitter.com/dpatrickg Dirty Pena

      This reads like the back and forth between Hughesus Cristo and Avi.

  • Teh Comp Pick

    We asked for $144,000,000 over 6 years. We feel a penny more would not have been appropriate.

  • Kevin G.

    He actually asked for $175 million over 7 years.

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

      Nah, he wanted another 10-year, $189M deal.

      • Chris

        $18.9M per year? Not nearly enough.

        • FIPster Doofus

          You’re right. He wanted a 10-year, $275.1 million deal in order to slightly better A-Rod’s 2007 contract.

          • Big Stein

            odd how after all his personal and professional success Jeter still feels the need to one-up Alex.

  • JerseyDutch

    I can picture Jeter on the phone with Close going, “Well, that didn’t work. Any more brilliant ideas?”

    • larryf

      Actually he said, “Did you read RAB? I think we should back off.”

  • nsalem

    Note to Mike. If you can keep this site free of Jeter negotiation talk and rumor for 48 hours, you should then proceed to bring the Israeli’s and Palestinian’s back to the table to arrange an eternal peace settlement.
    Later in the week you can also end world hunger and global warming. At that point it will be about 70 days to pitchers and catchers.

  • bonestock94

    What did I entertain anything that came out of that bird-cage liner in the first place…

    • bonestock94

      Why*

  • Accent Shallow

    Honestly, I don’t think the negotiations have reached “circus” level yet. We haven’t had any statements from Cashman or Jeter that make it sound like Jeter won’t be/shouldn’t be back.

  • sal

    I’m so happy its going to be a J-word-less weekend. Just sign him for whatever so we can read something other then , he said she said !

  • Big Bertha

    And this just goes to show you what an unselfish guy Jeter is. He could very well command that much money but he has graciously offered to take less to remain with the Yankees. Now if only Cashman and the Stieinbrenners would at least be willing to negotiate.

    • FIPster Doofus

      Hopefully this isn’t serious. It’s hard to tell around here these days.

    • JerseyDutch

      At this point he’s done no such thing. Stop making up stories.

  • Yo Quiero Montero (formerly LarryF)

    DJ has been studying Pete Rose’s stats on baseball reference and thinking…

    “I can do that”

  • Big Stein

    How did Jeter become so delusional and so selfish?!?

    • MikeD

      Has he? I haven’t heard him say a word. His agent did say “baffled.”

      • Big Stein

        wow, I didn’t Jeter had such strong groupies apologists. He should try his hand at Dancing with the Stars.

        • MikeD

          Apologist? Just balance to your statement.

  • http://kierstenschmidt.com Kiersten

    Imagine if Derek had signed a nine year deal instead of a ten year deal. How different this would all have been a year ago…

    • Big Stein

      he would have had more leverage, especially coming of a world series year, that’s for sure.

      But I think the Yankee brass finally woke up to the fact that with the ban of PEDs, players won’t be performing at top levels into their early 40s anymore (ie Bonds, Rocket, Palmeiro).

      36 is the new 40.

      • FIPster Doofus

        Or that 36-year-old middle infielders don’t tend to be all that successful.

        • Chris

          The same can be said about 35 year old middle infielders, and Jeter was pretty good last year.

          • FIPster Doofus

            True. However, the odds of the soon-to-be 37-year-old Jeter rebounding in 2011 are slim if you’re to believe the history of short stops his age…

            “Only two shortstops 37 or older have ever produced qualifying seasons with better than even a .750 OPS: Honus Wagner and Luke Appling; and it was last done by Appling in 1949.”

            http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....z16R6omiNF

            • MikeD

              True. However, for that to be a fair comparison to Jeter, I’m guessing we would need to understand how many SS’s have played the game at Jeter’s offensive level through their careers, had a year equivalent to Jeter’s age-35 season, and then were still a starting SS at 37, to see if we have a large enough group of SS’s to say this is a statistically valid compare.

              I have problems with arbitrary cut-offs, such as .750 OPS, because doesn’t provide context, doesn’t help us understand what to expect from a player like Jeter. For example, if Ozzie Smith or Omar Vizquel are in the comparison group (as they are), it’s not proper compare to Jeter since they rarely ever produced .750+ seasons, yet they both had two of their better “offensive” seasons age 35 forward, and even in their later 30s produced offensive seasons fairly similar to their career averages. That wouldn’t show up in that chart. 36, and is age 37 and 38 seasons were on par with many of his career years. BTW Imagine if Luke Appling was our SS, and his contract expired after his age-35 season, which turned out to be his worst to date, seeing his BA collapse from .314 to .262.

              We need to find high offensive SS’s like Jeter for a true compare. Someone, let’s say, like Luke Appling. Imagine, if you will, if Old Aches and Pains was on the Yankees today, finishing up his age-35 season, and up for a new contract. We’d all be highly concerned that age had taken the best from our Luke, as he only hit .262 that year after being a consistent .300 hitter during his career, so we’d be demanding the FO hold the line on any contract. Yet the very next year, his age-36 season, Appling bounced back to lead the AL in average, producing the highest OPS+ of his career, and marked the start of a six-season run where he produced an overall OPS+ of 126, remaining a highly productive player until he was 42. (He also took nearly two years off during the war years and came back as effective as ever.)

              Doesn’t mean Derek is Luke. He might be Trammel, who was done after 35. But let’s not assume Jeter is done yet on the aggregate stats of SS’s, the overwhelming majority were his inferior.

              • MikeD

                Apologies on the last sentence in the second paragraph. It got moved to the third paragraph, but I never edited it out of the second!

          • Big Stein

            the end usually comes on suddenly. the decline curve isn’t shallow, it’s steep.

            • Chris

              I don’t think that’s actually true – unless it is caused by injury. Most middle infielders tend to have a relatively long and stable decline phase where they’re worse than at their peak, but still productive before finally falling of a cliff a number of years later.

    • MikeD

      Yeah, we’d only be one year into what would probably be a six-year $150 million deal!

  • larryf

    Jeets will be but a blip in the Jesus era.

  • Hughesus Christo

    Are people seriously responding to an anonymous, unsourced figure from BILL MADDEN that was then disputed by Jeter’s agent as if it is fact? Is a completely serious way?

  • vinny-b

    Casey Close’s statement = damage control

  • tommy

    Derek Jeter should be cut loose. It’s better to get rid of them a year too early. Nunez is pretty much ready, anyway. He’s a better athlete than Jeter and should hit at least the same average as him.

  • tommy

    Jeter part two: he is headed for doom. No one will care about this guy after he can’t play anymore. He is dull and arrogant, a singles hitter with no range. He’s very lucky to have played on good teams and to be careful on interviews. But he isn’t even as good a Yankee as Roger Maris, much less Babe Ruth.

    • FIPster Doofus

      Jeter’s contractual demands are less delusional than this post. That’s saying something.

    • mike c

      buzz off

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

      First Name Only Male Handle Rule

      Maris = 39.8 career WAR, 27.9 with NYY
      Jeter = 70.1 career WAR, all with NYY

      • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

        oh and saying “he’s not as good as Babe Ruth” says nothing. No one is as good as Babe Ruth.

    • crotch_jenkins

      Jeter 2: Headed for Doom would be a fantastic title for an action movie.

  • nsalem

    When Close said he was baffled referring to Hal’s tact of predicting a long drawn out and messy negotiation before the talks began. It was a stupid move on Hal’s part and was quite baffling. The Yankee offer to Jeter was quite fair especially as a starting number. I love Jeter and actually and belief there are great seasons in his future, but I still would not give him more than 3 years.
    Anyone who thinks Jeter is being selfish, is someone who believes that the concept of being given the chance to determine your own self worth does not apply to everybody at all times. I think everybody has that right a portion of those who don’t probably have someone else paying their bills.

  • tommy

    WAR is nonsense. You can’t judge wins like that, anyone who blindly adopts these nerd-terms is stupid.

  • tommy

    maris played less years, also. you’re not factoring this into your already silly nerdanalysis. Overreliance on numbers is a way for nerds who can’t play sports to be involved in all this. Numbers can mean something, or they can mean nothing. Yes, Jeter has shitty range, the numbers help us there. But WAR? This means zippo. You can’t judge wins like that.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      1) Use the reply button, it makes the conversation easy to follow.

      2) Don’t resort to calling things you don’t understand or believe nerdy and what not. It only makes everyone ignore you.

    • KofH

      Maris didn’t play less years. Maris played fewer years. Insults should always have perfect grammar.

  • tommy

    just because you write this blog doesn’t mean you know anything. You make nothing, nobody pays you, you’re a law student. When you become a lawyer for 22 years you’ll know that you should prove your points through facts.

    • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

      I’m the law student here and you’re the guy who no longer has RAB commenting privileges.

      • http://twitter.com/nebkreb Nebkreb

        Epic pwnage

      • FIPster Doofus

        Boom, outta here.

  • tommy

    or whatever he is, I’m not sure if this nerd is the law student. In any event, I’m tired of reading this blog and listening to all this chatter about numbers from people who 1. haven’t shown that the numbers are accurate; 2. haven’t played the game a lick.

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

      In any event, I’m tired of reading this blog

      So don’t?

  • http://www.twitter.com/AnnaUndercover AnnaUndercover

    @tommy

    Go away.

    Love,

    The Internet

  • http://twitter.com/nebkreb Nebkreb

    Remember kids, arguing on the internet is like the special olympics: even if yo uwin, you’re still retarded