Fan Confidence Poll: June 6th, 2011

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Given the team's current roster construction, farm system, management, etc., how confident are you in the Yankees' overall future?
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  • A-Rod’s Wingman

    Five, middle of the road. First SHO, first sweep, and a successful road trip. I’d say the positives and the negatives are about the same (by Yankee standards) the trade market isn’t very good for starting pitching. The team’s in good hands, I’ve been a fan of Cashman for a while…but I think it’s time the team seriously takes a look at how they evaluate and develop pitching.

    • Clay Bellinger

      5? What the hell?

      • A-Rod’s Wingman

        I’m not using the same grading system you are…a 7 is not a “C” a 8 is not a “B” and a 9 is not an “A.” The team has flaws and very capable division rivals. A five is ‘middle of the road.’

        Flaws are as such:

        Robinson Cano still swings at everything, much to his detriment.
        Derek Jeter still has zero power
        Jorge Posada is still basically a zero
        Nick Swisher is still a bit off from being the Swish we all know and love
        Ivan Nova may be one of the six or seven worst starting pitchers in baseball

        A-Rod’s health? He’s no longer an MVP caliber type player. He’s being paid 30M a year, he got the worst contract in the history of sports…he should be expected to maintain that performance later on in his career.

        Show of hands on anyone who is seriously sold on Colon and Freddy being “for real.” Seriously, Colon’s health is still somewhat up in the air…new procedure with unknown results. Freddy Garcia is still getting by throwing junk. I’m worried about Colon’s long term health and Freddy’s ability to remain effective. Don’t get me wrong they were both smashing successes and deserve a fucking medal for the help that they’ve provided…but if they were to blow up tomorrow I wouldn’t be in the least bit surprised.

        The Phil Hughes situation has caused me great concerns long term. Seriously, no matter how you cut it the team’s been pretty bad at developing pitching and evaluating pitching. NoMaas had an interesting post on this subject…I think they’ve taken their point a bit too far, but SJK still poses an interesting question.

        Don’t get me wrong, there’s still plenty of positives. Russell Martin’s been awesome, they still have CC Sabathia and Mark Teixeira. Curtis Granderson, my god…what’s there to say? He’s been a revelation. Gardner, very quietly, has came around quite well. Also, while A-Rod’s overpaid and his contract sucks he’s still a good player to have around…just not at his price. The bullpen’s been pretty good even though Soriano has sucked and is out. Carlos Silva has also shown…well more promise than you’d expect Carlos Silva to show.

        • tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          Out of curiosity, can you grade some other teams for me?

          Red Sox?
          Blue Jays?

          • Bob Stone

            Great question – as usual. I would enjoy seeing the answer as well.

          • A-Rod’s Wingman

            By their standards or by Yankee standards?

            I’ll do both, just to show the discrepancies…their standards in the left, Yankee ones in the right.

            The Red Sox are hard to grade by their standards, because there isn’t enough paint thinner around the house for me to huff to get into the state of mind of their fan base…so I’ll just shout at a few minorities, fart, pick my ass and sniff my finger, and make a few homophobic comments…Now.

            11.5!!!!!!!111!!!! 6.

            The only reason why they get a higher score is their core is a bit younger (Gonzo, Youkilis, Lester, and Pedroia), I have an easier time buying Lester, Beckett, and Buchholz than CC, Colon, and AJ.

            Rays: 8/6. More success recently developing pitching is mainly why I have more confidence in them. Although, this may be a five…it could be “grass is always greener” syndrome.

            BJs: 7/3.

            Tribe: 8/3.

            Tigers: 6/3.

            Rangers: 9/4.

            Mariners: 8/2.

            Angels: 7/1.

            • tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

              So basically, “Yankee Standards” are much, much loftier than other standards (championship or bust), so you’re always going to dock the grade you give to this club because you’ve set the bar much higher.

              So your “5” is probably another man’s/woman’s “8”.

              Got it.

              • Bob Stone

                I understand now as well.

              • A-Rod’s Wingman

                Absolutely. As they should be, might I add. Ownership, management and the players hold themselves to higher standards than the average team does, and the fans should too. I’ll always love them, watch them, and spend money on them but the bar’s higher.

                Side Notes:

                The Angels probably deserve a higher grade than that…the major league club has two redeeming qualities and their names are Dan Haren and Jered Weaver, but the minors has some promising players too. Other than that…whole lotta nothing.

                Also, if Hughes were healthy and improved his GB rates from last year I’d probably be at a six or a seven…most likely a seven from the ripple effect.

                • tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

                  Just how high that high bar is, though, is something worth discussing.

                  My problem with your rankings (which, of course, you’re entitled to) is you’ve set the bar at a “This team CAN’T be beat” standard of how good they should ALWAYS be. I don’t know if that’s realistic.

                  I think “This team probably won’t be beat” is still a very, very high standard but one that is realistic.

                  • A-Rod’s Wingman

                    Well they can’t win the World Series every year, but every year they can win the World Series…if that makes any sense. I’d say the median for this team is the wild card, at least, if not the division. They have the most resources in baseball and competent management…there’s no reason for them NOT to be awesome. They set these standards for themselves too, I can assure you that Hal, Cashman, Levine and Co. LOVE the fact that the team has a “WS or bust” mentality…it means that somewhere along the way someone did their fucking job right.

                    To give you an idea of a “10” for me by Yankee Standards would be if Derek got his power back, Robbie to stop swinging at EVERYTHING and bump his OBP up, CC to not opt out, A-Rod’s hip to get better and for him to get back to his .300/.380/.540 ways, AJ to get the good/bad AJ ratio to about 70/30, some sort of assurance that Colon would keep this up, Hughes to be healthy and improve his GB% from last year. All pretty realistic individually, but never happen as a group. I suppose if they traded Brandon Laird for Clayton Kershaw you can shave a few of those things off too. Conversely a one would be as I mentioned before like trading Montero for Zito or something.

                    • Clay Bellinger

                      I’m curious though, would you consider the Yankees to have been at a 10 at any point(s) in the last 15 years? 1998?

                    • A-Rod’s Wingman

                      Wasn’t as hardcore of a fan during the 1998 season. I was also 11, does that give me a pass? Probably not. I really can’t answer the 1998 question, after the 2009 WS? Yeah, I was a 10. Joba stayed healthy, Hughes looked awesome, and Jeter had an MVP caliber season.

                    • Clay Bellinger

                      Nah, that doesn’t give you a pass. I was 12! haha. Yeah, I could see things being at a 10 after the ’09 WS though.

                    • King of Fruitless Hypotheticals

                      I almost thought it was a rational (harsh, but rational) process until you said Hughes being healthy would raise you from a 5 to a 7.

                    • A-Rod’s Wingman

                      Hughes is a huge part of the Yankees’ success. He was supposed to be their second best starter going into the season, he represented a young, cost controlled starter with plenty of upside. That’s huge, imagine how fucked Boston would be if you were to take away Buchholz? Or any team if you were to take away a cheap, young two starter. It’s rough.

                  • hogsmog

                    That’s actually a good mindset for any test. If someone gets a 10/10, it’s like they’ve pegged the needle on the speedometer- you don’t know exactly how good they are (as in, on a 1-15 scale, would they be a 14 or 15?) The lower the ‘average’, the more scale you get to use, meaning a more precise measure.

                    Also, I read (and am embarrassed that I can’t find a citation) that humans can only differentiate consistently from a maximum range of 1-7. A wider range of choices than that, and my choice begins to be more arbitrary.

                  • JPB formerly known as Tank Foster

                    As someone who typically votes “6” in these polls, I’ll chime in.

                    I guess the poll is an interesting one, but it’s so vague that it’s really tough to make sense of the responses. Similar to the guy who started this mini-thread, I believe that since “confidence” is a state of mind, we are all free to set whatever scale we wish in answering the poll.

                    “Confident” also implies something, unstated in the poll. “Overall future” is pretty vague. Confident that they’ll have a winning record? Confident that they’ll make playoffs?

                    The Yankees have so much money, if I were to answer the poll on the basis of my confidence that they will field a winning team, it would be “10” all the time. But I don’t think that is saying much about the team; it doesn’t take much thinking or analysis to conclude that the Yankees are probably always going to field an above-average team.

                    I think it’s more interesting to look at the them as a unique entity, and ask what your confidence is that they will be in the playoffs, and even further, a favorite in the playoffs.

                    Right now, I’m not terribly confident about that aspect of the Yankees intermediate term future, because of the way the team is saddled with a couple of bad contracts, and how the roster makeup is a bit restricted (i.e., with Teixeira on the team, where do you put the aging ARod and Jeter?).

                    I would rate the Yankees and Red Sox on the exact same scale. Maybe the only other team I’d put on that scale would be the Phillies.

                    I rate the Yankees too low, probably, even on my own scale, because I’m a pessimist. Ma taught me to have low expectations, so that you’ll be happy more often with results.

                    The Yankees are a great organization. In terms of win expectancy for fans, compared with all other professional sports teams, there probably isn’t any better team. In the USA, anyway.

            • Bob Stone

              Interesting. Does that factor in Dice-K out for at least a year, Lackey seemingly lost (7.60 ERA) and Buckholz up and down and pushed back due to injury?

              • A-Rod’s Wingman

                Dice-K being out a year is addition by subtraction…the guy’s awful. Lackey, yeah…I forgot about that guy. I still think overall the team’s in a bit better shape going forward due to Lester and Buchholz. Like I said earlier, if Hughes were to make improvements on last year’s season rather than what he did this year, I’d be higher on the Yankees. Buchholz’s injuries don’t bug me as much because they’re more of the nagging variety and he’s been pretty good this year and last.

                • Bob Stone

                  I pretty much agree with that.

                • Bob Stone

                  Mybe I am being dense or just don’t get it, but I still keep thinking that Joba may develop into a pretty good #2 or #3 starting pitcher (on the same level as Buchholz – possibly wiping out that advantage).

                  • A-Rod’s Wingman

                    Sigh…the Joba chronicles Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness.

                    • Bob Stone


                  • MannyGeee

                    he would be starting on any other team… sigh

                  • The Big City of Dreams

                    “Maybe I am being dense or just don’t get it, but I still keep thinking that Joba may develop into a pretty good #2 or #3 starting pitcher”

                    You’re not alone in thinking that but he seems destined to remain a reliever. If he continues to produce the way he has been producing there is no way they will start him even if they have a need.

            • Mike HC

              You are just as confidant, and maybe more confident, in the Tampa Bay Rays overall future as the Yankees? The huge discrepancy in resources has no influence on you?

            • Freddy Garcia’s 86 mph Heat

              There is no way that the Rays have a better future than the Yankees, or are even better now. When you get past Longoria, Damon, and Zobrist, their offense is practically nonexistent. They do have some pretty good young pitching, but they will lose them once they become free agents. The Rays don’t have money which means that for the most part, they will have to develop their own of players, which as the Devil Rays showed, doesn’t always work out.

              • A-Rod’s Wingman

                Yeah, perhaps it’s “grass is always greener” syndrome. Price and Hellickson are two pretty damn good assets, they’ve shown the ability to still compete without Crawford, Garza, and Peña. So I’m still about as confident in their ability to stay competitive, probably for the next few years…but Toronto’s looming large against them.

            • JCK

              My interpretation of this poll has never been to grade performance. It’s about rating your confidence in the team to beat other teams. Since you actually grade the Yankees’ performance higher than most other teams, your confidence number should be higher. 

        • tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          Ivan Nova may be one of the six or seven worst starting pitchers in baseball

          Easy with the hyperbole. He hasn’t pitched particularly effectively, but go look at what Fausto Carmona, Travis Wood, Ryan Dempster, Chris Capuano, John Danks, Chris Volstad, Luke Hochevar, James McDonald, Kyle Drabek, J.A. Happ, Javier Vazquez, Clayton Richard, Bronson Arroyo, Mike Pelfrey, Wade Davis, Brett Myers, Brad Penny, Carl Pavano, Sean O’Sullivan, Armando Gallaraga, Barry Enright, John Lackey, Francisco Liriano, Jeff Neimann, Kyle Davies, Jon Garland, Diasuke Matsuzaka, and Joe Saunders are doing and tell me if Nova is really worse than only 5-6 of those guys.

          • A-Rod’s Wingman

            Of those guys I few a few are unfairly lumped in there: John Danks, John Lackey, Frankie Liriano, Ryan Dempster and to a lesser extent Carl Pavano and Fausto Carmona have a history of once being good. Nova doesn’t have that so they’re all out. Dempster even has solid peripherals last I checked. Kyle Drabek had a hell of a pedigree and is still a rookie so I’d take him out too. Given what were left with I’d give Diasuke the slight edge because he has a propensity to get hurt and limit the damage he can cause, and he has this annoying thing where he can wiggle out of all those jams he puts himself in. I’d also take him out. Wade Davis…I’d rather have him than Nova. What were left with:

            Travis Wood, Chris Capuano, Chris Volstad, Luke Hochevar, James McDonald, JA Happ, Javy, Clayton Richard, Bronson Arroyo, Mike Pelfrey, Brett Myers, Brad Penny, Sean O’Sullivan, Armando Gallaraga, Barry Enright, Jeff Niemann, Kyle Davies, Jon Garland, an Joe Saunders.

            Of those guys, I would say that Vazquez, Saunders, O’Sullivan, and Davies are definitely worse than he is. I’d say Hoch is a bit better, but not by much, and there’s several arguable. So yeah, I’ll stick by “may be one of the worst six or seven starters” in baseball. Keep in mind, he’s also good enough to hold onto a job for long enough to be one of the six or seven worst starters in baseball…so there’s that consolation.

            • tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

              While some of those pitchers you eliminated have a superior track record and natural talent level, the fact remains they’re pitching worse than Nova at this moment.

              You didn’t say Nova was one of the six or seven least talented pitchers, you said he was one of the six or seven worst pitchers. As of this moment, Nova is not worse than Danks, Liriano, Dempster, Lackey, etc. He’s pitching better than they all are. That’s a fact.

              If it changes by July/August, so be it. But the statement that Nova is one of the six or seven worst starters in baseball is just not an accurate statement. There’s dozens of guys who are worse than he is.

              • A-Rod’s Wingman

                Well let me put on my “Anal Andy” cap and chime in here. “Worst” is a subjective term that carries lots of meanings. Is Carl Crawford “better” than Brett Gardner? Is Albert Pujols “better” than Adrian Gonzalez? Is Felix Hernandez “better” than Josh Beckett? The answer is yes, yes, and hell yes. You’re no dummy and I don’t have to tell you that luck has a lot to do with baseball. There are little hard and fast rules involved with in baseball, and while xFIP and DIPS stats are imperfect I’d still say they’re a good barometer for young unproven pitchers. Ivan Nova is currently sporting the majors’ 5th worst xFIP amongst those who qualify for the ERA title. Kyle Drabek, Tim Chatwood, Wade Davis, and Javier Vazquez are the only players who have a worse xFIP than he does. Oddly enough, I’d rather have two of them than Nova. So, I’ll still stick by my “six or seven worst starters in baseball” comment.

          • BklynJT

            Pretty sure he got that narrative (“at least partially”) from a RAB post.

        • Clay Bellinger

          Not everything has gone perfectly or according to plan, that’s baseball. Very rarely does everything follow through just how we all want it to. The thing is, despite all of the concerns that are out there, this club has scored the most runs in the AL and given up the second fewest and are tied for the AL’s one seed here in early June. Who expected that when they missed out on Lee? They have two top 8 BA prospects. Yeah, they haven’t successfully developed SPs at the major league level recently. It’s tough to do for contenders. They have a rock solid farms system and it’s just a matter of time before some of these kids come through. Despite all of the winter/spring training concerns, it’s hard to not like what this club has put together so far.

          • The Big City of Dreams

            it’s just a matter of time before some of these kids come through.


            from your lips to God’s ears. We all thought the Big 3 would do it but it didn’t work out too well.

            • Clay Bellinger

              I’m not sure anyone ever thought IPK was destined to be an ace in the AL East, but yeah, we all thought he’d turn into a good 3rd starter. Joba looked to be on his way to becoming something special before hurting his shoulder. Hughes can still be something special. He hasn’t been he dominant ace we thought he’d be a few years ago, but he was a solid 18 game winner last year. This year has been an unexpected setback, a pretty large one for that matter, but he can still turn out to be something. Prospects are never guarantees, so it’s not always going to work. Odds are that some will though, maybe we’re just due right? ManBan? Betances? Somethings gotta work out.

              • The Big City of Dreams

                Yes Hughes still has time on his side. The bad thing is all these injuries delay his progress as a pitcher. He’s not starting a ground zero but it is taking away valuable time from him learning his craft.

                “Odds are that some will though, maybe we’re just due right? ManBan? Betances? Somethings gotta work out.”

                It has to right lol. “The Baseball Gods” have to say alright here are your two homegrown aces that you have wanted for a while. If they don’t work out than boy who’s next in the pipeline?

                • Clay Bellinger

                  It just seems like many fans are surprised when a prospect doesn’t pan out, or meet expectations. It’s just unrealistic. Everyone that makes the top 25 in BA’s prospect list doesn’t turn out to be a superstar…but some do. No guarantees, just have to hope were due.

                  • The Big City of Dreams

                    The Yankees have to be due with Hughes battling injuries throughout his career and Joba being in the pen.

                    I think it’s more frustration than being shocked because fans desperately want one of their guys to work out.

        • David, Jr.

          Far too pessimistic.

          Example: “Robinson Cano still swings at everything, much to his detriment.”

          That is your conclusion about one of the best players in the league?

          8.5 here. The run differential says a lot. Colon looks legit to me. Garcia is merely doing exactly what he did last year – lots of quality starts. Plenty of upside for Swisher, who is right in his prime. Jeter starting to look better. So what if he doesn’t hit for power, as we have plenty of that. Ample resources to make changes as needed, including great farm system.

          • tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

            Yeah, I didn’t get that Cano line either.

            Robinson Cano swings at everything. Robinson Cano has swung at everything his whole life. Robinson Cano has a career line of .307/.345/.491, .356 wOBA, 117 wRC+, 20.7 fWAR/25.6 bWAR.

            Robinson Cano swinging at everything is not a problem.

            Could he be even better if he was more selective? Perhaps. But if Robinson Cano continues to swing at everything for the rest of his career, it won’t be a problem, because Robinson Cano is really, really, really good at hitting the baseball hard. If this is his baseline and he never improves over this current production level, he’s still one of the most valuable players in the game.

            • A-Rod’s Wingman

              Yes…he could be a lot better. Robbie’s good at hitting the ball hard anywhere it’s put. However, there’s some balls you just can’t do much with. There’s benefits into getting into pitchers counts and waiting for a better pitch. He’s hitting more ground balls and swinging at a lot more pitches than he did last year. He’s still pretty good though, as we all know…he could be better.

              • tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

                But is “he could theoretically be better” a valid reason for listing Robinson Cano as a “flaw” that contributes to downgrading your overall grade of the Yankees ranking? Is it THAT significant of a flaw?

                That’s a bit much. Robinson Cano’s non-perfect approach at the plate this year has still resulted in a 2011 line of .277/.316/.514 (.360 wOBA, 126 wRC+).

                If you’re listing production like that from a second baseman as a “flaw”, that’s a hell of a nitpick.

                • A-Rod’s Wingman

                  Cano’s one of the best “natural hitters” in baseball. He’s still doing producing extremely well, but he’s capable of more. The Yankees are currently getting little production from DH, RF, and SS. The other positions need to step it up, he’s one of the most talented players in the majors. I hold him to a higher standard than Cervelli.

          • Mykey

            And besides, Jeter has never hit for power. It’s silly that that’s an issue now.

            • A-Rod’s Wingman

              Well before he was able to get the ball out of the infield, at least.

            • bexarama

              Eh he has a career ~.450 SLG. That’s not amazing, but it’s not what you would call zero power.

              • bexarama

                also, career ISO .137, this year .065

        • Uncle Mike

          It doesn’t matter how capable our rivals are, the Yankees find ways to beat them, and they will again, and again, and again. Right now, considering our current 25-man roster, our farm system, and our management (meaning field manager and coaching staff AND ownership and front office), and the fact that our Division opponents all have issues (the Red Sox have lots of injuries and already have lost, or are about to lose, most of their 2007 guys, let alone 2004; the Rays have already broken up their 2008 & 2010 Division Champs, the O’s renaissance appears stalled and the Jays simply aren’t very good), I’d say there’s lots of reason for confidence.

        • The Big City of Dreams

          Do you have a link to the Nomaas article regarding the Yankees and developing?

          • A-Rod’s Wingman

            Site’s down, for whatever reason…the gist of it is that they traded away some successful pitchers and signed a bunch of crappy ones. However, the crappy ones have mostly been relievers. That being said two number one pitching prospects in all of baseball and one’s on the DL and the other’s behind Soriano on the depth chart. Doesn’t inspire confidence.

            • The Big City of Dreams

              Doesn’t inspire confidence.


              Yea it doesn’t inspire confidence. I know ppl will say the sample size is small and true it is but that’s really all we have to go on. Think about it this way if Joba and Hughes were top flight aces in the rotation would anyone say the sample size was too small.

      • Adam B

        I agree, normally I always answer 9 or 10 with the yankees because they are always competitive and always give us something to cheer about… In the end that is all you can ask from your team…

        This week I voted 8 only because I am scared of our rotation in the future when CC opts out… Hughes is scaring me, The farm kids have also had a rough couple of months as well.

    • The Big City of Dreams

      “but I think it’s time the team seriously takes a look at how they evaluate and develop pitching.”

      Preach brother preach lol. It’s the one area where the definitely need to improve on. Hopefully the B’s will buck the trend.

  • CP

    I voted 10. Mike said it best in the game recap last night:

    At 33-24, the Yankees have tied the fading Indians for the best winning percentage in the AL (.579), and their +71 run differential is 20 runs better than anyone else. Their lead in the division sits at two games in the loss column.

    Nothing to add to that.

    • A-Rod’s Wingman

      That earns a ten from you? Wow, grade inflation has gotten pretty bad, I guess. To me a ten would be just about impossible to get. Zero flaws, utmost confidence…as if playing out the rest of the season was just a formality, and the WS favorites for the next five years or so. Conversely, a one would also be pretty hard to get…they’d have to trade Montero for Zito and all of his contract or something horrifically stupid like that.

      • CP

        The Yankees are the best team in baseball, and with their farm system, history of success and money they look to be the favorites for the next 5 years.

        It’s not grade inflation, it’s reality.

        • Mike HC

          Not sure if they are perfect, but that is the attitude I usually have with this poll. Comparing the Yanks to the rest of baseball, it is tough to drop them below an 8, and would usually sit in the 9-10 range for the past 2 decades or so.

          If you compare the Yanks to a perfect team, then I can see starting to take points for every little thing.

          • Bob Stone

            I have been in the same range but only give a ten when they win the World Series and still look good for the future.

            • Mike HC

              If this poll was the stock market, I would have lost a lot of money. I was least confident (7 or 8) during the year we won the WS, 2009, (coming off missing the playoffs in 2008). And I was a 9 or 10 most of the last year after the WS win, 2010, which is the year we obviously lost in the ALCS. This year my confidence was 9 early in the offseason, then we missed out on both Lee and Pettitte. Then I dropped to a seven after I realized our rotation will have AJ, Garcia and Colon, only to see the rotation do what it has done today.

              hahah … Seems like with me, when things look great, they are not that great, and when things seem terrible, they are not that terrible.

              • Mike HC

                sunglass face is supposed to be an 8. No idea how it turned into that.

              • tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

                So it’s your fault, you jerkface!!!!!!

              • Bob Stone

                Very true because predicting the future is an imprecise sciense(art) at best.

        • A-Rod’s Wingman

          I really don’t see how anyone can be a ten with what’s happened with Phil Hughes. That’s huge…it not only calls serious questions to their ability to develop and properly evaluate pitchers, it’s a huge chunk off the team. I’m not saying it’s crippling or anything, but it’s definitely a big mark against the team.

          • Bob Stone

            Instead of it being the Yankees inability to develop young pitchers, perhaps Hughes is the Nick Johnson of young Yankee pitchers – i.e. a guy that just keeps getting weird injuries despite that best coaching.

            I’m not sure if that is the case. Just throwing it out there as a possibility.

            • MannyGeee

              yup, could just be one of those things… who knew IPK would have had the most value of the big 3…

              • Bob Stone

                I thought that was a possibility too . . . but only a POSSIBILITY. You never know with young pitchers.

              • tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

                who knew IPK would have had the most value of the big 3…

                Well, if you want to get value from a young pitcher, it helps if A.) that pitcher stays healthy so he can continue developing and B.) you are the Arizona Diamondbacks and have the luxury of giving a permanent spot to a young hurler and living with his development curve because you have no organizational mandate to compete for a title each and every single year

                • CMP

                  Yeah but don’t forget that Bill Madden wrote in the Daily News yesterday that the Yankees were convinced IPK was too laid back to succeed in the pressure cooker environment of NYC.

                  If Madden wrote it, it must be true.


            • JPB formerly known as Tank Foster

              Pitching IS injury, as a friend of mine likes to say. I don’t believe there is any way whatsoever – except in preventing extreme amounts of arm abuse – that an organization can really control the fate of a pitcher at least as far as injury goes. Even with tight control of pitch counts and aggressive treatment of early and potential injuries, the majority of homo sapiens who try to throw a baseball overhand (at the velocity and spin required to succeed as a major leaguer) are going to get injured. It’s not a question of if, only when, except for the few freaks whose bodies defy the odds. Hughes should not be considered an organizational failure. He’s an example of the reality of trying to be a pitcher.

            • A-Rod’s Wingman

              Yeah, it could be that…at the very least it calls the organization into question when it comes to pitching. The tumultuous tenure of Hughes as a Yankee has brought many questions to mind with the Yankees’ ability to develop and evaluate pitching.

            • The Big City of Dreams

              He very well could be.

              How many times has he been injured since being drafted with the club. 3 times on the major league level and I think 2 on the minor league level. Am I right?

          • The Big City of Dreams

            “That’s huge…it not only calls serious questions to their ability to develop and properly evaluate pitchers, it’s a huge chunk off the team. ”

            So I guess you don’t into the it’s all luck/ a crap shoot talk when it comes to developing.

            • A-Rod’s Wingman

              Well there’s a lot of luck when it comes to developing pitching, crap shoot? No. It’s more of a poker game, because while there is a lot of luck involved there’s also a lot of skill involved. Scouting pitchers’ stuff and seeing how it will play against the competition, seeing if that fastball’s going to stay on the ground or get hit in the air, judging whether or not that delivery will lead to injuries, etc. Obviously there’s luck…this is baseball, that isn’t to say that there aren’t teams that are bad at developing and evaluating pitching and teams that are good at it.

              • The Big City of Dreams

                Very well said I agree completely. Luck plays a role but I don’t like when ppl boil the whole thing down to being lucky or a crap shoot. like everything else in the world there are ppl and organizations that excel in certain areas while others struggle.

        • JobaWockeeZ

          So they have no flaws at all? A top 10 farm doesn’t mean much whent he failure rate is still high. If the team had the best one like the Rays or the Royals then yeah be very confident. Our entire farm is still a crapshoot. The floor sucks.

          And I don’t know why a history of sucess should be used in evaluating the future. The Red Sox have a history of losing the past century. Obviously they suck.

          And as we all know intelligence >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> money.

          Soriano and Feliciano can explain that perfectly. And the team is the best right now with a one game lead is it? Impressive eys but best =/= no flaws.

          • bexarama

            IDK I’m the first one not to get excited about the farm all that much, but trying to spin a good farm as something negative is a little crazy.

  • Matt Imbrogno


    Yay, offense. Yay, pitching, but some improvements need to be made.

  • MannyGeee

    Solid 8.

    The rotation past the 2 fat guys still scares the hell outta me, and the Posada thing is starting to weigh on me a little bit….

    but Swish/Jeter/Gardner starting to hit and A-Rod/Teix being in beast mode this past few weeks make me feel real warm inside.

    • MannyGeee

      oh, and the resurgence of ‘Good AJ’ in so far in 2011 make me believe that ‘Bad AJ’ will make his debut in July (and possibly stay a while)…

      • A-Rod’s Wingman

        His FIP is 4.48, yet his xFIP is 4.00. He’ll typically underperform his peripherals, so bad AJ should show up sooner or later.

        • Clay Bellinger

          Negative Nancy.

          • A-Rod’s Wingman

            I prefer “Pessimist Peter”

            • Clay Bellinger

              haha, well played.

            • tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

              “Macabre McNulty”?

    • Matt Imbrogno

      This isn’t to be directed at you, but I’m replying here because it makes sense, and I’m guilty of it, too.

      Can we PLEASE stop referring to the size/weight of CC Sabathia and Bartolo Colon every time they do something?

      • Clay Bellinger

        Seriously, maybe if Hughes and Nova put on some lbs they’d be good too. hah

        • tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          Hughes could use some extra fat to insulate his tender joints.

      • MannyGeee

        OK, but be forewarned:

        1. its a blog, and America…
        2. We’re Yankees fans, and therefore cynical over anything
        3. they are, in fact, pretty large.

        Fat (overweight, plus sized, burlesque, curvy) athletes should be called such. just like old ones (Jorgie, Jeter) douchey ones (looking at you, Boston), and of course ones related to pediphiles and laptop crooks….

        its only fair

  • Mike HC

    8 – – Who needed Lee and Pettitte anyway?

  • Jared

    6.5 – 7.

    I worry about the trade market and an over dependency on Colon’s health / Garcia’s effectiveness. I also worry about the trade market in terms of finding impact pitchers.

    The offense is pretty legit though despite periods of absolute uselessness from Jeter / Posada / Swisher / Gardner.

    I also tend to be a stingy rater.

  • steve s

    Funny, according to their pythag record Yanks have underachieved by 3 games but I think they’ve overachieved and actually have played better than their real talent level this season. Thrilled with the results of the West Coast trip notwithstanding those frustrating first 2 games in Sea. Unfortunately I see the Garcia/Colon bubble bursting sooner rather than later. All this adds up to a 7 at this point in time. To get north of 7 will depend on how the roster gets bolstered by the trading deadline.

  • Hester Prynne

    I voted 9. We are the best team in the AL and have a chance to prove it this week at the stadium. We have the best 1-2 punch in baseball and that was already proved on the road trip. CC and Bartolo won 4/6 of the ballgames on the trip.

  • Bob Stone

    I’m at a nine. Some here who vote lower are forgetting the other elements of this vote – namely the business side (which I think is the best in the business with the possible of the BoSox), the farm system, state of the competition and long term expectations.

    This isn’t a vote ONLY on the last few games or ONLY this season (which isn’t that bad considering the Yanks are tied with the Indians for the best record in the AL).

    • tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      Some here who vote lower are forgetting the other elements of this vote – namely the business side… the farm system, state of the competition and long term expectations.

      An excellent point. Part of my weekly vote in the vicinity of 8 comes from the fact that while this team has holes, no other team in baseball has greater capacity to fill those holes during this midseason trading market. We have prospects galore to trade from (even excepting the untouchable Montero) and payroll flexibility with which to add salary dumps.

      It’s shortsighted to say “This team is great, sure, but they have potential holes (that aren’t holes yet) that will need to be plugged if they want to contend” without mentioning the high likelihood of reinforcements joining this team during this summer (either via the trade market, the minor leagues, or the disabled list).

      The 25 guys on the active roster at this moment won’t be the 25 guys on the roster for the ALDS. That grouping of 25 will be better.

      • Bob Stone

        +100. Exactly. I have fluctuated up or down this year from 8.0 to 8.5 to 9.0 but usually round up.

  • ADam

    7 until they decide to show up against the Sox. Similar to early 09 they have played the sox this year like they are afraid of them, not stealing, nibbling the plate, hacky at bats.

    A 6-3 home stand will bump them up to a 9

  • Riddering

    10 right now; 1 if the Yankees don’t take at least 2 out of 3 from the Red Sox as that will seal their fate for the rest of time.

    • Hester Prynne

      I agree, because if the Yanks only win 1/3 against Boston this series they’ll be buried all the way back in 1st place.

      • Riddering

        And they’ll fall further from having the best record in baseball. Being a fan of this team is tough sometimes.

      • tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder


      • Bob Stone

        The Yankees/Bosox series have gone up and down every year (within the year) but at the end of each year the two teams are basically .500 vs. each other. That’s been the case for the last 6 years and I see no reason for that to change anytime soon.

        • tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder


          Bob Stone with teh truthbombs.

    • tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      … 1 if the Yankees don’t take at least 2 out of 3 from the Red Sox as that will seal their fate for the rest of time.

      Is one low enough? Can we use imaginary numbers in the poll instead? Theoretical calculus concepts?

      If we don’t sweep the Red Sox by at least 7+ runs in every victory, my confidence will crater to -∞.

      • Mike HC

        I think the ultimate lack of confidence vote would be lack of votes. People are so unconfident they don’t even follow the team anymore.

      • Riddering

        Yeah, but what if the Yanks win the series by a combined score of 35-2 without accidentally maiming half of the active Boston roster and dehumanizing the other half to the extent that they retire young? Could you in good conscience still rate the Yankees with a positive number?

        • tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder


      • Bob Stone

        Maybe we should vote on some variation of PI, Avogadro’s number or 10th dimensional math theory.

  • Mister Delaware

    0 for the number of (non-supplemental) first round picks they have tonight!!!!!!!


    • tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      You’ll feel much better when we draft Angels farmhand Mike Trout with the #51 pick tonight.

      We make prospects the old-fashioned way: we steal them.

      • JohnnyC

        Don’t give Bud Selig any ideas.

  • nsalem

    Pitching strong for now I’m happy. Some expect us to perform like an All-Star team with everybody clicking simultaneously. Nice ideal, all but impossible to achieve, silly to expect and not reality based. Take a glance at last years AL All Stars. Only Cabrera is playing to his number everyone else has either missed significant time
    (Hamilton, Mauer and Longoria) or underperforming (Suzuki, Jeter,Cano and Crawford) compared to last year. Nothing is perfect in baseball except maybe The 1998 Yankees (except for The FatToadand Chad’s big mouth).
    Complaining about Cano is really nuts. First off who would you rather have, secondly he’s on pace to 35 HRs and 112 RBI’s.

    • tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      Some expect us to perform like an All-Star team with everybody clicking simultaneously. Nice ideal, all but impossible to achieve, silly to expect and not reality based.

      Repeated for emphasis.

      “Being the best team in baseball with the best chances of winning the World Series” and “Being a flawless team with no holes or underperforming players or long-term problems whatsoever” are not identical concepts.

      Yes, some Yankees haven’t hit/pitched/fielded as well as we want or need them to. Doesn’t mean this team is somehow categorically barred from being the frontrunner, or even simply a really good baseball team.

      • bexarama

        Pretty much. The Yankees won the World Series in 2009 with Swisher and Cano doing more or less absolutely zero in the postseason. I’m not going to say Tex did absolutely nothing because he had two pretty big HR, but he was not very good overall. Hughes wasn’t very good that postseason at all, and he was very important in the regular season.

        I’m not saying VOTE 10!!!!, I am just saying that some people seem to think that there’s going to be a point where everyone is going to click together. Baseball just doesn’t work like that. There’s more or less always going to be someone dragging their ass, you just have to hope the other guys on the team pick them up.

  • bonestock94

    7, thrilled that the offense has consistently been kicking ass. According to run differential they always were, but still, the bad games were bad.

    The long time table on Hughes and my lack of faith in this rotation long term keep me from an 8 though.

  • Rob in CT

    I say 7. I’m fairly critical, so my 7 might be your 8.

    They’re in good position: leading the division with the best run differential in the league. And yet…

    I worry about the rotation. Colon and Garcia have been wonderful surprises, but either or both could go pumpkin on us at any time (or have their arms fall off, whichever). Hughes being on the DL for sucking and/or a phantom injury definitely effects my grade, seeing as he’s important not just for now but for future seasons. In the bullpen, Logan as the LOOGY worries me a bit. I love David Roberston, walks notwithstanding. Mo is Mo and Joba’s been solid. Still, the Soriano and Feliciano contracts were just mind-bogglingly stupid and the team will get zero from those two, at least this year. Ugh. Add that all up and I expect the pitching results to decline somewhat, with some disaster potential (if Colon and/or Garcia flameout and Hughes doesn’t return to form).

    The offense is the best in the league, though not what it used to be. Jeter really looks cooked, though I suppose the good news is that he can’t be much worse. Posada I think has more in the tank, but right now his line is awful (I therefore expect improvement if he’s not ditched). Swish is waaaaaay better than this, so I expect him to continue to improve. I think ARod will improve a bit too. Cano worries me, as he always does when he’s hacking at everything. There’s upside there too, though. Tex is where he should be. Granderson and Martin are exceeding expectations, so they will likely slow down. Gardner is rising fast to where I’d expect him to be. Hopefully they get Chavez back, as he was pretty useful as a backup. Add that all up, and I’m expecting mild offensive improvement (mild because all my optimism about improvement above has to be tempered by what looks to be a significant league-wide offensive decline that may be real – better pitching, defense and/or a change to the ball?).

    As of today, they’re on 93/94 win pace. I think that’s about right (though their run differential suggests an even better team). Will that take the division? Maybe. It should be good enough to get the WC if not the division.

    Farm system: Montero isn’t lighting the world on fire at the moment. The killer Bs have been so-so (Betances has a nice ERA but has given up 5 UER and his BB rate is too high, the same goes for Banuelos – good ERA, some unearned runs, too many walks, Brackman looks terrible this year). This doesn’t mean I’ve written any of them off. I’m still really excited for Banuelos and I’m mildy optimistic about Betances. And there are other solid prospects down there. It’s just a different feel than last year when it seemed like everybody’s stock was rising fast.

    Put it all together, including the Yankees financial resources, Cash’s ability to make smart trades, and the strengths & weaknesses of the competition… 7/10.

    • Bob Stone

      All good points but a 7 is still a little low given what you say here.

    • tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      Solid, even-handed evaluation of things, IMO. Well said.

    • bexarama

      I think this is a pretty accurate assessment of everything, though I’d probably bump this up to an 8.

    • Owen Two

      “Betances has a nice ERA but has given up 5 UER…”

      Why is it the pitcher’s fault if a fielder makes an error?

  • Monteroisdinero

    8 with the binder.

    9 without the binder.

    10? Only after #28

  • theyankeewarrior


    These guys are doing exactly what Cashman hoped for, and more. They are going to make at least 2 big acquisitions in the next 2 months and they are already on top of the toughest division in baseball.

    Positives: The struggling sluggers (Posada, Swisher, Jones) have stepped it up of late and everyone else seems to be having a solid season (maybe minus Jeter). The starting pitching is overachieving, and the remaining members of the pen are exactly what we figured they’d be.

    Negatives: Phil Hughes. Brackman. Every lefty reliever in the organization. Soriano.

    Let’s hope we have a solid trade season. It could be the difference in the season.

    • tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      Gnarlos Gneltran.

  • Matt :: Sec110

    Hitting finally starting to catch up with the pitching?

  • Kosmo

    The usual 6.5
    Martin´s hitting .236 last time I looked (today) he´s not a revelation to me.Swisher had a nice little run on the road trip ,maybe a month of consistent productivity would convince me.
    DH is still looking like a problem area.How much longer with Posada?
    I don´t no why folks refer to Garcia´s “Slop“ all the time.He still gets it up to 89 mph.As long as he still gets hitters out with an assortment of pitches what´s the problem ? He´s currently giving NY somewhere along the lines of what Pettitte might be giving if he´d pitched in 2011.
    Pitching has been stellar even with the loss of Hughes and Soriano.
    Farm system is a bit overrated.
    Yanks when the time is ripe will probably trade for a bat ,a SP if anyone comes up injured and maybe another RP

    • bexarama

      Martin’s hitting .236/.342/.441, for a good defensive catcher in this run environment that’s very good especially considering his last two seasons.

  • CMP


    The future looks bright with a solid core and lots of good prospects on the farm.

    Still concerned with this season as I’m worried the starting pitching isn’t gonna hold up the whole year. With Hughes a question mark, most of the AAA arms not really distinguishing themselves and the trade market for starters looking weak, top of the rotation starting pitching reinforcements might be hard to come by.

  • King of Fruitless Hypotheticals

    ok. after reading through the logic of the people who consistently vote 5 or 6, i’ve decided i am going to base my definition of confidence on the Yanks being a baseball organization that makes me yell ‘SQUEEEE!!!’ when i’ve had six or more drinks that have umbrellas, fruit or similarly designed plastic ornaments (flamingos, swords, etc). since it will be extremely rare-neigh, unique!-that this could ever happen, i’m just going to vote 10 in perpetuity.