Jul
03

Yankees send Nova to Triple-A, recall Pendleton

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The Yankees announced that they have sent Ivan Nova to Triple-A Scranton and recalled Lance Pendleton. That’s a definite precursor to Phil Hughes rejoining the rotation this week (likely Wednesday), Pants Lendleton just gives them an extra bullpen arm in the meantime. It’s not fair, but dems the breaks. Nova will continue to work as a starter and will inevitably be needed later this season, so we’ll see him again.

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  1. Jericho Spade says:

    It looks like Noesi is doomed to the throwing 20 more innings this season.

    • Cy Pettitte says:

      activate Hughes, send down Noesi and Pants, recall Kontos.

      /nevergonnahappen

    • Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

      Yeah I don’t get why they just don’t sent Nosei down and have him start and then stick Nova in the BP.

    • Steve S. says:

      Which will be pivotal in the history of the franchise.

    • pat says:

      If you can’t see the value of keeping a kid like Noesi stretched out then I don’t know what to tell you. By all means lets cap him at 8o innings this year after he set a career high the year before. That will be great for his arm.

      • Ted Nelson says:

        Just because he’s not throwing pitches in games doesn’t mean he’s not throwing side sessions.

        • Ed says:

          He can’t be throwing any meaningful workloads on the side. Girardi doesn’t go into games planning on not using him, so he has to be ready to pitch if needed.

        • pat says:

          Very true, but teams don’t usually count side sessions and bullpens towards towards someone’s totals for the season because they’re not considered “high stress”.

  2. Cuso says:

    Noone jump off the bridge, please. It’s not permanent.

  3. Steve S. says:

    He has options, this was the only move you could make without losing someone. The Sergio Mitre move should have cemented this in people’s minds as being inevitable, that told you he wasn’t going to be the long man.

  4. areyoukiddingme says:

    Why in the world would they option Nova for Hughes? Nova has been getting stronger over his last couple games and hughes hasn’t proved anything yet this year. This is so terrible to see Nova draw the short straw

  5. Doesn’t make any sense. A 24 year old guy doing everything he can do to stay on the Yankees and is pitching quite well and is evidently learning. It is a definite hit to his psyche to be sent down. I know Freddy Garcia is performing better than Nova thus far, but in terms of the Yankees’ long term plans, Garcia won’t be there; Nova will.

    • Steve S. says:

      He has options, Garcia doesn’t. Both pitched equally well. Decision made.

    • Crime Dog says:

      It’s all in the name of depth. If you DFA Garcia to keep Nova, then your “6th” starter is who? Noesi? Gordon? All of those choices are iffy at best, and figure to be rusty. If you option Nova and keep him pitching every 5th day in Scranton, then you have a legit viable 6th option that will be needed at some point. The difference between Garcia and Nova as your 5th starter isn’t in Nova’s favor by big enough of a margin to risk that depth.

    • Rainbow Connection says:

      It’s all part of the RAB plan for prospects: Promote people who underperform/act like assholes and demote people who do a good job.

    • Yankees’ long term plans, Garcia won’t be there; Nova will.

      Which is why this move makes sense. It’s more important to the Yankees’ future (both in 2011 and beyond) for Nova to continue developing as a starting pitcher.

      • Steve S. says:

        That too, you’d rather have him taking the ball every 5th day than rotting in the MLB bullpen as a long man. Competition isn’t as good, but maybe he gets more aggressive and dominates down there, then hopefully carries that lesson to the bigs.

    • Cuso says:

      So your solution is to release Freddy Garcia, then?

      Nevermind that he’s starting today, but you think the solution is flat out releasing Garcia?

    • Ted Nelson says:

      If Nova can’t mentally deal with being sent to AAA for what might only be a few weeks… the kid is not going to make it as a MLB pitcher. Have a little faith.

  6. Brandon says:

    I think its important for the Yankees to keep Hughes on normal rest at the momebt while he is strong. In other words, I think Burnett will be pushed back and Hughes will get the surprisr start tomorrow

  7. Zack D says:

    Did we ever get any reports on how Hughes actually pitched during his rehab? Was it still 75% cutters? Still a curve that regressed? All I saw was 92.93.91.94.93.92, he’s ready.

    • Steve S. says:

      Brian Cashman was in attendance, with his closest aides. I think that tells you want they thought of his performance.

      • Zack D says:

        Then I’m glad Hughes developed a curve and found out how to put hitters away after 3 rehab starts.

        • Mike Axisa says:

          He’s been trying to add a changeup for four years. I’m going to go out on a limb and say he didn’t develop one in three rehab starts.

          • Zack D says:

            That’s my point. How is July 2011 Hughes any different than July-Sept 2010 Hughes? They’re sending down a guy who’s giving them ML production for a guy hasn’t done that in over a calendar year. Should be riding out Nova and have Hughes force them to bring him up when Nova is no longer doing that.

            It’s no different than Montero. He should be called up when his performance says so.

            • Mike Axisa says:

              Hughes had a 4.51 FIP in the second half last year, Nova 4.44 this year. The difference is negligible given the decline in league offense. Hughes actually has a chance to be more than a four or five starter, even if it’s a small one. Have to see what he can do.

              I’m guessing that if Angel Pagan had doubled instead of struck out the other night, the tone of this thread would be much different.

              • Ted Nelson says:

                Having just turned 25 I think Hughes has more than a small chance to be better than a #4 or 5 starter. Nova too, though.

              • Zack D says:

                Have to see what he can do.
                After 3 rehab starts they have to see what he can do? They can’t option him down because of that 2 year window right? So I don’t see why the deadline is tomorrow for Hughes to come up.

                Hughes’ FIP by month last year: 3.63, 2.69, 3.97, 5.91, 4.30, 5.37. Not sure where the breakpoint leads to a 4.51 FIP but as the season went on, his Ks dropped, BBs increased, and lead the league in foul balls as strikes. I’m not saying Nova is a better prospect, but Nova is getting outs at the ML level and isn’t coming off of 3 rehab starts.

                As this RAB article points out, Hughes lives off his fastball in the strike zone. What has changed?
                http://riveraveblues.com/2010/.....oul-34393/

        • Steve S. says:

          “Hughes developed a curve..after 3 rehab starts”?

          Huh? He didn’t have one before?

    • Ted Nelson says:

      There was a livefeed of his Trenton start that anyone could watch.

  8. feter says:

    the morale of the AAA club must be sky high!

    • steve (different one) says:

      This makes no sense. Phil hughes is a product of the farm. As is Noesi. Both are in the majors. So is Nunez and Pena.

      I’m sure the players in AAA don’t overanalyze everything like we do.

      If anything, Gordon was sent down instead of Noesi. Does that reverse all the tears I’m sure were shed in Scranton 2 weeks ago?

  9. jesus montero says:

    join the club

  10. Nuke Ladoosh says:

    Ok this does make sense but I’d like to see Noesi down there too stretching back out.

    • mike c says:

      I thought he was sent down already?

    • Cuso says:

      i hear ya. But I get the sense that this year is being used to make sure Nova remains stretched our and certain pitchers have to be shuffled to accomplish that.

      In 2012, maybe Noesi will be in the spot Nova is now with guys like Phelps & Warren being shuffled around to accomplish that task.

      it’d be nice if the organization could say “OK, he’s only a starter, and he’s only a reliever.” In reality, it’s a balancing act & you gotta pick certain guys for whom you protect a certain role.

      Sending Nova down protects his role as a starter going forward.

    • Ted Nelson says:

      Would be nice, but I think they feel like they need him in the pen right now. If Soriano comes back healthy and/or they trade for a reliever, I think the chance of Noesi heading back to AAA increases.

  11. CMP says:

    Nova needs to continue starting to stay stretched out and to develop his secondary pitches if he’s ever going to be more than a 5th starter. This was the right move and hopefully Noesi will be joining him before too long.

  12. Esteban says:

    Pants!

  13. Ta says:

    This is crazy Phil doesn’t deserve to take his spot Nova has look good all season and Phil is just going to get smack around again just watch this is why all Yankee minor leaguers have low moral

  14. Bob Michaels says:

    Nova should demand a trade.

    • Mike Axisa says:

      He can’t. I mean, he could say it, but the Yankees have no obligation to actually do it.

    • steve (different one) says:

      The lack of perspective here is kindof insane

    • pat says:

      Yes, Ivan Nova is the only rookie in mlb history to pitch well and be sent back to the minors in favor of a guy with more experience.

    • Pasqua says:

      To be honest, that would be like one of us starting a new job and demanding a promotion in the first week.

      Also, these guys all know how things work. It’s the nature of the game. If he were to be that upset about it, it would not speak well of Nova’s make-up.

  15. Bill says:

    I think they’re rushing Hughes. No reason not to give him another rehab start or two. Nova is pitching well and only has one scheduled start before the ASB. If he starts in the minors tomorrow he stays on track for a Saturday start. If it goes well maybe you give AJ extended rest and let Hughes make his return right before the ASB break. If it doesn’t go well you give him another tune up in the minors on Saturday and he should be all set after the break.

    The rotation is not broke, let’s make sure (without a shadow of a doubt) that Hughes will improve it when he comes back.

    Regarding the bullpen. I’d send Noesi down and bring up Kontos. Also if Mitre struggles I’d look for Gordon to take his spot. He’d be a great option as a long reliever/mop-up guy. Although it will probably take a lot for the team (Girardi) to give up on Mitre again.

    • Ted Nelson says:

      The Yankees had a lot of their top brass watching Hughes’ start in Trenton, so while they may be wrong it’s not like they made the desicion willy-nilly. It seems like having watched him they feel he is a better option than Nova right away.

  16. The Big City of Dreams says:

    Hopefully it all works out. I understand why some fans are against the move though.

  17. Pasqua says:

    Garcia would likely be entirely useless out of the ‘pen because of his aproach / stuff – and there’s no reason to cut a guy like Freddy, who has been serviceable so far – so this makes the most sense, even if Nova gets punished for being young and controllable.

    I’m sure Nova will be back in no time, for any one of a variety of reasons.

  18. Jd says:

    This is a curious call but I think the yanks figur that nova’s inability o get any swing and miss outs will prevent him from getting to th Hughes potential

    • Pasqua says:

      I think that’s overthinking it. Nova has options and the team can do what they want with him. Garcia is giving them what they want / need and they don’t want to lose him. Nova draws the short straw.

  19. bonestock94 says:

    I understand people getting mad at losing Nova, but I really don’t get the Hughes hate that i’ve been seeing a lot lately.

    • Zack D says:

      It’s not Hughes-hate, but some people still act like it’s still 2006 Top Prospect Hughes. Hughes has 1 “plus” pitch and a curve that has regressed, and is an extreme FB RH-pitcher in YS.

      • bonestock94 says:

        First half last year was great, second half sucked. This year was all dead arm. No reason why he shouldn’t get a shot if he’s healthy.

        • Zack D says:

          First half last year was great, second half sucked.
          That usually happens when you only have 1 plus pitch.

      • Jeannie says:

        He’s a whiner and makes too many excuses for himself.
        I loved the imaginary illness he thought he had!

    • CMP says:

      Amen.

      The guy is all of 25 years old, has talent and has had some success at the major league level. All of a sudden he’s a hopeless number 5 starter at best.

  20. CS Yankee says:

    Colon was our best SP when he went down (pitching slightly better than CC) and a few commented that CC was better. We all know that CC is a better pitcher overall talent wise than Colon but Colon was doing that well.

    Nova has beem exceeding expectations overall…his groundball rates remind me on Wang but he also doesn’t get very many misses. Hughes (like CC) is better talent wise than Nova (i.e. Colon). They are doing what they need to do here, IMHO.

    They need to keep Noesi up to not jerk him around and actually use him more and keep Nova stretched out for when they do need him. All this anti-Garcia or Hughes stuff is BS…they are better than either Nova or Noesi at this point in time considering what they look like today, what they do year-in/year-out, what they earn, etc.

    Not a bad pecking order (based upon performance);
    1) CC
    2) Colon
    3) Garcia
    4) AJ
    5) Hughes

    They are pitching better than the majority of teams and we know it isn’t our ’98 starters “good” but still top 5-6 in baseball and much better than a year ago when we had Pettitte & a CYA-runner up on the squad.

  21. Jeffrey says:

    How can you suggest cutting Freddy Garcia? I am amazed at the ignorance on this thread. Look at his stats this year: 7-6, 3.28, and he is getting better with a 3-1 record with a 2.03 ERA in his last four starts. Results far superior to Nova’s. Admittedly he is not doing this with a mid-90′s fastball, but cut him loose? There are a lot of teams that could use a guy like this. I could see an argument that it would be a good time to sell high and trade him, but cutting him just does not make any sense.

    As for Hughes vs. Nova, there is no contest. Look at the respective minor league numbers and what Hughes accomplished out of the bullpen and in the first half of last year. He even pitched 7 shutout innings against Minnesota in the playoffs, only the 5th ML pitcher under 25 to do so.

  22. Jeannie says:

    It’s time to get rid of Hughes.(While we can still get something for him)Bring back Nova….he’s way better now then Hughes will ever be.

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