Jul
03

Yankees send Nova to Triple-A, recall Pendleton

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The Yankees announced that they have sent Ivan Nova to Triple-A Scranton and recalled Lance Pendleton. That’s a definite precursor to Phil Hughes rejoining the rotation this week (likely Wednesday), Pants Lendleton just gives them an extra bullpen arm in the meantime. It’s not fair, but dems the breaks. Nova will continue to work as a starter and will inevitably be needed later this season, so we’ll see him again.

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  • Jericho Spade

    It looks like Noesi is doomed to the throwing 20 more innings this season.

    • Cy Pettitte

      activate Hughes, send down Noesi and Pants, recall Kontos.

      /nevergonnahappen

    • Freddy Garcia’s 86 mph Heat

      Yeah I don’t get why they just don’t sent Nosei down and have him start and then stick Nova in the BP.

      • Pat D

        Because Noesi has done something out of the ‘pen and Nova has not.

        • Freddy Garcia’s 86 mph Heat

          If I’m not mistaken, neither had Noesi before this year.

          • Pat D

            Right, but now he has. That’s the point, and I’m sure that is the reason Girardi would give.

      • Tim Perry

        Nova is a starter, will always be a starter for the Yankees. Putting him the bullpen will open up conversations similiar to the Joba scenario.

    • http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/ Steve S.

      Which will be pivotal in the history of the franchise.

    • pat

      If you can’t see the value of keeping a kid like Noesi stretched out then I don’t know what to tell you. By all means lets cap him at 8o innings this year after he set a career high the year before. That will be great for his arm.

      • Ted Nelson

        Just because he’s not throwing pitches in games doesn’t mean he’s not throwing side sessions.

        • Ed

          He can’t be throwing any meaningful workloads on the side. Girardi doesn’t go into games planning on not using him, so he has to be ready to pitch if needed.

        • pat

          Very true, but teams don’t usually count side sessions and bullpens towards towards someone’s totals for the season because they’re not considered “high stress”.

  • Cuso

    Noone jump off the bridge, please. It’s not permanent.

  • http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/ Steve S.

    He has options, this was the only move you could make without losing someone. The Sergio Mitre move should have cemented this in people’s minds as being inevitable, that told you he wasn’t going to be the long man.

  • areyoukiddingme

    Why in the world would they option Nova for Hughes? Nova has been getting stronger over his last couple games and hughes hasn’t proved anything yet this year. This is so terrible to see Nova draw the short straw

    • mike c

      because nova has options

    • Ta

      I agree with everything you just said Phil should go 2 the Bullpen until needed

      • areyoukiddingme

        Agreed. Hughes has bullpen experience, he already had a dead arm this year, and Nova is built kinda like CC. Durable and he can give you good innings. Put Hughes back in the bullpen until someone falters and just maybe Hughes might find that sharp fastball again.

        • RalphieD

          nova….built like…CC??!?!??!?!

  • http://beatofthebronx.com Beat Of The Bronx

    Doesn’t make any sense. A 24 year old guy doing everything he can do to stay on the Yankees and is pitching quite well and is evidently learning. It is a definite hit to his psyche to be sent down. I know Freddy Garcia is performing better than Nova thus far, but in terms of the Yankees’ long term plans, Garcia won’t be there; Nova will.

    • http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/ Steve S.

      He has options, Garcia doesn’t. Both pitched equally well. Decision made.

    • Crime Dog

      It’s all in the name of depth. If you DFA Garcia to keep Nova, then your “6th” starter is who? Noesi? Gordon? All of those choices are iffy at best, and figure to be rusty. If you option Nova and keep him pitching every 5th day in Scranton, then you have a legit viable 6th option that will be needed at some point. The difference between Garcia and Nova as your 5th starter isn’t in Nova’s favor by big enough of a margin to risk that depth.

    • Rainbow Connection

      It’s all part of the RAB plan for prospects: Promote people who underperform/act like assholes and demote people who do a good job.

      • Esteban

        lolwut?

      • http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/ Steve S.

        Finally, somebody nailed it. This is all Mike, Ben and Joe’s fault.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

        I’m sorry, who’s acting like an asshole?

        • Ted Nelson

          As ridiculous as the comment generally is, I would guess it’s referring to Slade. How it’s RAB’s plan and not the Yankees’ plan is beyond me, as is how it’s even the Yankees plan actually.

          • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

            Except I never said Slade should have been promoted after the brawl, in fact I said the opposite. He just likes taking shots at RAB then disappearing to never follow up on the conversation. Whatever, it’s his right.

      • Paul

        Exactly

    • http://yankeeanalysts.com Matt Imbrogno

      Yankees’ long term plans, Garcia won’t be there; Nova will.

      Which is why this move makes sense. It’s more important to the Yankees’ future (both in 2011 and beyond) for Nova to continue developing as a starting pitcher.

      • http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/ Steve S.

        That too, you’d rather have him taking the ball every 5th day than rotting in the MLB bullpen as a long man. Competition isn’t as good, but maybe he gets more aggressive and dominates down there, then hopefully carries that lesson to the bigs.

    • Cuso

      So your solution is to release Freddy Garcia, then?

      Nevermind that he’s starting today, but you think the solution is flat out releasing Garcia?

    • Ted Nelson

      If Nova can’t mentally deal with being sent to AAA for what might only be a few weeks… the kid is not going to make it as a MLB pitcher. Have a little faith.

  • Brandon

    I think its important for the Yankees to keep Hughes on normal rest at the momebt while he is strong. In other words, I think Burnett will be pushed back and Hughes will get the surprisr start tomorrow

  • Zack D

    Did we ever get any reports on how Hughes actually pitched during his rehab? Was it still 75% cutters? Still a curve that regressed? All I saw was 92.93.91.94.93.92, he’s ready.

    • http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/ Steve S.

      Brian Cashman was in attendance, with his closest aides. I think that tells you want they thought of his performance.

      • Zack D

        Then I’m glad Hughes developed a curve and found out how to put hitters away after 3 rehab starts.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

          He’s been trying to add a changeup for four years. I’m going to go out on a limb and say he didn’t develop one in three rehab starts.

          • Zack D

            That’s my point. How is July 2011 Hughes any different than July-Sept 2010 Hughes? They’re sending down a guy who’s giving them ML production for a guy hasn’t done that in over a calendar year. Should be riding out Nova and have Hughes force them to bring him up when Nova is no longer doing that.

            It’s no different than Montero. He should be called up when his performance says so.

            • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

              Hughes had a 4.51 FIP in the second half last year, Nova 4.44 this year. The difference is negligible given the decline in league offense. Hughes actually has a chance to be more than a four or five starter, even if it’s a small one. Have to see what he can do.

              I’m guessing that if Angel Pagan had doubled instead of struck out the other night, the tone of this thread would be much different.

              • Ted Nelson

                Having just turned 25 I think Hughes has more than a small chance to be better than a #4 or 5 starter. Nova too, though.

                • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

                  So do I. But I’m just saying, even if it’s a small chance, you give him the spot.

              • Zack D

                Have to see what he can do.
                After 3 rehab starts they have to see what he can do? They can’t option him down because of that 2 year window right? So I don’t see why the deadline is tomorrow for Hughes to come up.

                Hughes’ FIP by month last year: 3.63, 2.69, 3.97, 5.91, 4.30, 5.37. Not sure where the breakpoint leads to a 4.51 FIP but as the season went on, his Ks dropped, BBs increased, and lead the league in foul balls as strikes. I’m not saying Nova is a better prospect, but Nova is getting outs at the ML level and isn’t coming off of 3 rehab starts.

                As this RAB article points out, Hughes lives off his fastball in the strike zone. What has changed?
                http://riveraveblues.com/2010/.....oul-34393/

        • http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/ Steve S.

          “Hughes developed a curve..after 3 rehab starts”?

          Huh? He didn’t have one before?

          • Zack D

            He did, but it has regressed over the years, and he turned into a cutter-cutter-cutter pitcher.

    • Ted Nelson

      There was a livefeed of his Trenton start that anyone could watch.

  • feter

    the morale of the AAA club must be sky high!

    • steve (different one)

      This makes no sense. Phil hughes is a product of the farm. As is Noesi. Both are in the majors. So is Nunez and Pena.

      I’m sure the players in AAA don’t overanalyze everything like we do.

      If anything, Gordon was sent down instead of Noesi. Does that reverse all the tears I’m sure were shed in Scranton 2 weeks ago?

  • jesus montero

    join the club

  • Nuke Ladoosh

    Ok this does make sense but I’d like to see Noesi down there too stretching back out.

    • mike c

      I thought he was sent down already?

      • Nuke Ladoosh

        Nope. He’s wasting away on the end of the bench.

    • Cuso

      i hear ya. But I get the sense that this year is being used to make sure Nova remains stretched our and certain pitchers have to be shuffled to accomplish that.

      In 2012, maybe Noesi will be in the spot Nova is now with guys like Phelps & Warren being shuffled around to accomplish that task.

      it’d be nice if the organization could say “OK, he’s only a starter, and he’s only a reliever.” In reality, it’s a balancing act & you gotta pick certain guys for whom you protect a certain role.

      Sending Nova down protects his role as a starter going forward.

    • Ted Nelson

      Would be nice, but I think they feel like they need him in the pen right now. If Soriano comes back healthy and/or they trade for a reliever, I think the chance of Noesi heading back to AAA increases.

  • CMP

    Nova needs to continue starting to stay stretched out and to develop his secondary pitches if he’s ever going to be more than a 5th starter. This was the right move and hopefully Noesi will be joining him before too long.

  • Esteban

    Pants!

    • http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/ Steve S.

      YES!

      FINALLY, THE LONG AWAITED LANCE PENDLETON ERA BEGINS!!!

      • Pants Lendleton

        (Cue overly dramatic theme music)

  • Ta

    This is crazy Phil doesn’t deserve to take his spot Nova has look good all season and Phil is just going to get smack around again just watch this is why all Yankee minor leaguers have low moral

    • http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/ Steve S.

      I enjoyed your punctuality, if not punctuation.

  • Bob Michaels

    Nova should demand a trade.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      He can’t. I mean, he could say it, but the Yankees have no obligation to actually do it.

      • Pasqua

        Not to mention that it very well might label Nova as a headache, thereby lowering his trade value.

    • steve (different one)

      The lack of perspective here is kindof insane

    • pat

      Yes, Ivan Nova is the only rookie in mlb history to pitch well and be sent back to the minors in favor of a guy with more experience.

    • Pasqua

      To be honest, that would be like one of us starting a new job and demanding a promotion in the first week.

      Also, these guys all know how things work. It’s the nature of the game. If he were to be that upset about it, it would not speak well of Nova’s make-up.

  • Bill

    I think they’re rushing Hughes. No reason not to give him another rehab start or two. Nova is pitching well and only has one scheduled start before the ASB. If he starts in the minors tomorrow he stays on track for a Saturday start. If it goes well maybe you give AJ extended rest and let Hughes make his return right before the ASB break. If it doesn’t go well you give him another tune up in the minors on Saturday and he should be all set after the break.

    The rotation is not broke, let’s make sure (without a shadow of a doubt) that Hughes will improve it when he comes back.

    Regarding the bullpen. I’d send Noesi down and bring up Kontos. Also if Mitre struggles I’d look for Gordon to take his spot. He’d be a great option as a long reliever/mop-up guy. Although it will probably take a lot for the team (Girardi) to give up on Mitre again.

    • Ted Nelson

      The Yankees had a lot of their top brass watching Hughes’ start in Trenton, so while they may be wrong it’s not like they made the desicion willy-nilly. It seems like having watched him they feel he is a better option than Nova right away.

  • The Big City of Dreams

    Hopefully it all works out. I understand why some fans are against the move though.

  • Pasqua

    Garcia would likely be entirely useless out of the ‘pen because of his aproach / stuff – and there’s no reason to cut a guy like Freddy, who has been serviceable so far – so this makes the most sense, even if Nova gets punished for being young and controllable.

    I’m sure Nova will be back in no time, for any one of a variety of reasons.

  • Jd

    This is a curious call but I think the yanks figur that nova’s inability o get any swing and miss outs will prevent him from getting to th Hughes potential

    • Pasqua

      I think that’s overthinking it. Nova has options and the team can do what they want with him. Garcia is giving them what they want / need and they don’t want to lose him. Nova draws the short straw.

  • bonestock94

    I understand people getting mad at losing Nova, but I really don’t get the Hughes hate that i’ve been seeing a lot lately.

    • Zack D

      It’s not Hughes-hate, but some people still act like it’s still 2006 Top Prospect Hughes. Hughes has 1 “plus” pitch and a curve that has regressed, and is an extreme FB RH-pitcher in YS.

      • bonestock94

        First half last year was great, second half sucked. This year was all dead arm. No reason why he shouldn’t get a shot if he’s healthy.

        • Zack D

          First half last year was great, second half sucked.
          That usually happens when you only have 1 plus pitch.

      • Jeannie

        He’s a whiner and makes too many excuses for himself.
        I loved the imaginary illness he thought he had!

    • CMP

      Amen.

      The guy is all of 25 years old, has talent and has had some success at the major league level. All of a sudden he’s a hopeless number 5 starter at best.

  • CS Yankee

    Colon was our best SP when he went down (pitching slightly better than CC) and a few commented that CC was better. We all know that CC is a better pitcher overall talent wise than Colon but Colon was doing that well.

    Nova has beem exceeding expectations overall…his groundball rates remind me on Wang but he also doesn’t get very many misses. Hughes (like CC) is better talent wise than Nova (i.e. Colon). They are doing what they need to do here, IMHO.

    They need to keep Noesi up to not jerk him around and actually use him more and keep Nova stretched out for when they do need him. All this anti-Garcia or Hughes stuff is BS…they are better than either Nova or Noesi at this point in time considering what they look like today, what they do year-in/year-out, what they earn, etc.

    Not a bad pecking order (based upon performance);
    1) CC
    2) Colon
    3) Garcia
    4) AJ
    5) Hughes

    They are pitching better than the majority of teams and we know it isn’t our ’98 starters “good” but still top 5-6 in baseball and much better than a year ago when we had Pettitte & a CYA-runner up on the squad.

  • Jeffrey

    How can you suggest cutting Freddy Garcia? I am amazed at the ignorance on this thread. Look at his stats this year: 7-6, 3.28, and he is getting better with a 3-1 record with a 2.03 ERA in his last four starts. Results far superior to Nova’s. Admittedly he is not doing this with a mid-90′s fastball, but cut him loose? There are a lot of teams that could use a guy like this. I could see an argument that it would be a good time to sell high and trade him, but cutting him just does not make any sense.

    As for Hughes vs. Nova, there is no contest. Look at the respective minor league numbers and what Hughes accomplished out of the bullpen and in the first half of last year. He even pitched 7 shutout innings against Minnesota in the playoffs, only the 5th ML pitcher under 25 to do so.

  • Jeannie

    It’s time to get rid of Hughes.(While we can still get something for him)Bring back Nova….he’s way better now then Hughes will ever be.