Open Thread: 3/23 Camp Notes

Austin Romine and D.J. Mitchell win 2011 Kevin Lawn Awards
The Morning After: Joba Chamberlain
Chavez got through this in one piece. (AP Photo/Kathy Willens)

The Yankees played two games today, one at home against the Twins and one on the road against the Phillies. Ivan Nova pitched better than his line (7 IP, 7 H, 4 R, 4 ER, 0 BB, 5 K) indicates against Minnesota, getting a lot of weak contact and whiffs on his offspeed stuff. Mariano Rivera and Rafael Soriano threw flawless innings as well. Eduardo Nunez was the star of the day, smashing a pair of doubles and hitting everything hard. The Yankees rallied from a four-run hole when Mason Williams drove in the go-ahead run with an infield single. Here’s the box score for this game, which they won 6-4.

Hiroki Kuroda allowed one run in 5.2 IP against Philadelphia, getting 15 of his 17 outs on the infield. Brett Gardner (double), Frankie Cervelli (single), Robinson Cano (double), and Eric Chavez (single) had the Yankees up 3-0 before Vance Worley even recorded an out. Cano had three hits, Cervelli had two, and Doug Bernier had two more as well. He’s been mashin’ all spring. New father David Phelps allowed two runs in his 3.1 IP. The Yankees won this game 5-3; here’s the box score. Here is the rest of the news from Tampa…

  • Derek Jeter played three innings in the home game this afternoon by design. Joe Girardi said during the broadcast that Jeter will play five innings in a game at some point this weekend. This was the Cap’n’s first game back following his calf problem.
  • Andy Pettitte faced six batters and threw 26 pitches in a live batting practice session this morning. “Everything was good,” he said afterward. “I’m pleasantly surprised. I don’t want to get over-excited because I haven’t done anything yet, but I expect to be back to where I was.” [Erik Boland & Jack Curry]
  • David Robertson faced seven batters in his 29-pitch session this morning. He struggled to find the strike zone, but that’s not exactly something new for David. He could get into a game for the first time since injuring his foot relatively soon. [Curry]
  • Manny Delcarmen (lat) also threw batting practice today. He has yet to get into a game this spring. Michael Pineda and Phil Hughes each threw their regularly scheduled side sessions. [Chad Jennings]
  • Of course, the big story of the day was Joba Chamberlain‘s horrifying ankle injury. I hope he crushes his rehab and we see him back on the mound for the Yankees as soon as possible.

Here’s your open thread for the night. The Rangers, Devils, Knicks, and Nets are all playing tonight, plus MLB Network will air a game a little later on. You folks know what to do, so have at it.

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Austin Romine and D.J. Mitchell win 2011 Kevin Lawn Awards
The Morning After: Joba Chamberlain
  • Neil

    Nova was a strike throwing machine with good movement on his pitches. The game reminded me of a Wednesday day game on getaway day with both teams being free swingers.

  • Johnny

    Hypothetical: this has nothing to do with how Nova pitched today, but if the incredible happens and nobody gets injured or nobody is drastically ineffective before Pettitte comes back, you look for somewhere to trade Nova, right? (I like Phil; don’t want to get rid of him.) I haven’t really thought about this extensively, which is exactly how you want to write a comment—free of all logic and thought—but the idea struck me while listening to the Pettitte discussion on today’s podcast.

    • Plank

      I would trade Phughes’ 2 years of control instead of Nova’s 5/6 years of control. The mid-market Yankees need to make concessions so they can pay the bills.

    • Havok9120

      Plank is correct. You’ve almost got to trade Hughes over Nova. He won’t be back after 2013 (he’ll either be too good and expensive or too crappy and not worth it) and Nova, if successful, gels quite well with the 2014/15 budget.

      Garcia and Hughes are the guys on the trading block, unless someone just blows us away with an offer for Nova.

      • Plank

        The other alternative is to have a glut of starters for a month or so until someone gets hurt/sucks. Even if everything is clicking at that point in time doesn’t mean things will continue that way in perpetuity.

        • Havok9120

          Oh, I have no problem with that plan at all. That’d actually probably be my preference. I was just saying that if you ARE going to make a trade, trading Nova makes the least sense of all three.

          • Plank

            The more I think about it, I think Freddy gets traded after a month if everything is working out well. The Yankees would probably be better off having one of Phelps, Warren, or Mitchell in last year’s Noesi role.

            Freddy has value since he’s only making 4MM this year. If they keep him in relief the whole year they have to consider blowback from other veterans not wanting to get “Garcia-ed” by the Yankees if they sign there in the future.

            • Havok9120

              Yeah, he makes the most sense by far. Makes things a lot easier. If AP manages to make it back, we stick one of Nova/Hughes in the longman role for awhile and go from there.

              The only exception is if someone is willing to offer some major value for Hughes if he’s doing really well. For instance, Hughes for young cheap outfield X and some mixture of low level prospects going one way or the other. If trading Hughes fills holes in the system that we need filled for 2014/15+ it bears thinking upon unless Nova is just terrible and Hughes is anchoring the back half of the rotation or something.

    • https://twitter.com/#!/StumpWoodley Mick

      You have to keep in mind Andy is probably back just for this year (maybe not), so you don’t necessarily make a long term move.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      You do realize the odds of having that little need for an extra starter are pretty low, right? If you have this problem, frankly, Pettitte stays in the bullpen until something opens up. He’s the one who came back because he missed the game.

  • Plank

    News story from 8 months from now:

    Joba’s surprisingly quick recovery from a devastating ankle injury was derailed after breaking his hip while running errands on a pogo stick and falling into an open manhole.

    • Plank

      News story from 9 months from now:

      To recover from the pogo stick induced injury sustained while rehabbing from the trampoline injury sustained while rehabbing from the pitching injury, Chamberlain has decided to rehab with the Flying Wallendas.

    • Craig

      You forgot the piece where stilts were involved.

      • Plank

        What are those things called where you tie string to coffee cans and walk while lifting the string so the can never leaves your foot while you walk? Whatever those are, that’s the next step after trapeze. Followed naturally by rehabbing by interning with Johnny Knoxville.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Wrong. Ass injury. Has to be an old fashioned Pavano-style ass injury.

  • Jamey

    I heard Joba could have died from how much blood he lost, that’s insane.

    • Marcus

      Where did you hear that?

      • Jamey
      • Havok9120

        Yep, it was on MLBTR too.

        “Life threatening.”

        • jayd808

          When I see a story like that, I can’t make fun of him. After all the time rehabbing to have something this freakish happen while he’s playing with his kid — I really feel for Joba and wonder how this is going to affect him. Just a shame.

    • hogsmog

      Joba should know better than to play Samurai Coliseum Deathmatch during spring training.

  • Plank

    Is the homepage not updating properly for others? It’s been that way for the past day or so. New posts don’t show up and comments don’t update either. Once you click on a post, everything is fine though.

    • Havok9120

      Yeah, I’ve had that going on all week. I’ve even had that issue after clicking on posts (if its one I’ve visited multiple times already). One I’m there, refresh updates everything though.

    • https://twitter.com/#!/StumpWoodley Mick

      I’ve had major mobile site issues, but not with the main site.

      • Plank

        I hate the mobile site. It’s useless if you’re trying to read comments.

        • https://twitter.com/#!/StumpWoodley Mick

          I can’t even do that the past few days. It keeps hanging up and crashing my browser. Of course, it could be an issue with my phone.

  • Dino Velvet

    Sure glad genius Cash didn’t trade Joba for Dan Haren.

    What a mistake that would have been.

    • JobaWockeeZ

      They asked for ManBan too.

    • Sweet Dick Willie

      Every GM who ever lived made a trade he regretted or didn’t make a trade that he regretted.

      What’s your point?

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

        Just complaining for the sake of it. Cashman should have known Joba would destroy his ankle playing with his son two years into the future.

        • Plank

          There is validity to that, though. Even if Cashman thought Joba would be a lights out reliever for the rest of his tenure, it would have been better to have Haren–both at the time and certainly in retrospect.

          • Havok9120

            But what we heard WASN’T Haren for Joba straight up. There was more (possibly a lot more; ManBan was in play if I’ve got my years right) involved there.

            • Plank

              I would make that trade with ManBan involved.

    • Havok9120

      Sigh.

      You can’t SERIOUSLY view that as a valid point of attack against Cashman can you? I mean, there are plenty of mistakes you can pick on, but you choose one that requires him see the future AND trade multiple top prospects away?

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Well use the same Dino Velvet Time Machine you apparently use to predict the future to go back in time, then.

  • First Time Lawng Time
    • Jamey

      Pay no attention, eventually he’ll just go away.

  • YankeesJunkie

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    • V

      I’m lost. You’re running an ottoneu league somewhere that isn’t ottoneu?

      • YankeesJunkie

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  • Mike P

    It’s a sad day when a guy’s dreams are jeopordised by a freak accident, and others make derisory comments about him just becasuse they’ll have one less scenario to fantasise about when bored.

    Show some sympathy people. If you can’t do that, at lest show some respect. If that’s beyond you, you could try to have some decency and refrain from commenting.

    • https://twitter.com/#!/StumpWoodley Mick

      Exactly.

    • Plank

      I find your moral self-aggrandizing more offensive than the jokes to be honest.

      Your comment is the long winded version of saying “shut up.” People can only have one reaction and if they disagree with your take then they have to remain silent? Who thinks like that? Of course it’s horrible. He may never pitch again. He’s also a big fat guy who busted up his leg on a little tiny trampoline. It’s fodder for jokes.

      Glenallen Hill injured himself while having a nightmare about being attacked by spiders. That injury is also not funny. No injury is, but it’s okay to joke about.

      • CS Yankee

        +1 (cheeseburger that is)

      • V

        “Shut up”

        • Plank

          I agree!

      • Robinson Tilapia

        Like I said before, this has made for a great sociological experiment.

        • Plank

          I’ve disagreed with people before. I’ve told people I think what they are saying is in poor taste, but I’ve never told someone not to say what they think. That’s the most distasteful thing in my opinion. I usually let comments like this slide, but this is going to far:

          If that’s beyond you, you could try to have some decency and refrain from commenting.

          The person who posted that isn’t the moral arbiter of who posts what. They feel they have the right not only to act as if they do, but to claim the moral high ground while doing it. Disgusting Mr. random internet stranger, but feel free to continue posting.

          The person who posts as Tyrone Sharpton is a horrible racist and posts almost daily. Half his posts are disgusting. I just ignore it, as is my right. I would never tell him to stop posting, though I wish he would.

          • Robinson Tilapia

            The odds of you reading this seven hours later are pretty slim, but what I meant is that I’ve been pretty fascinated as to who’s fallen on what side of the argument here. If someone were to compile demographic data amongst commenters on this topic, I’d be interested in what the tendencies wound up being. Maybe Larry is working on this already. :)

            I think Tyrone’s just pulling everyone’s leg, FWIW. It’s mostly a meh act with amusing moments. Then again, that’s probably me as well…

      • Bo Knows

        The man could have died in front of his 5 yr old boy its not a matter to joke about; or to satisfy your need to be short winded….

        SHUT UP

        • CJ

          Could have died but didn’t so he won’t make it on spike tv 1,000 ways to die. His son could be traumatized as it is. Injury was life threatening, is limb threatening and will be career threatening. Nothing like a boy spending quality time with his dad. You know somebody recorded this on a cell, think it goes public?

    • CS Yankee

      Sympathy…yes
      Compassion…maybe
      Respect…NFW

      One dumb, clueless SOB, but he is still a good dude, gifted and a also a Yankee.

      Fat, lazy & stupid makes life so much harder. Get well soon you stupid Husker.

  • https://twitter.com/#!/StumpWoodley Mick

    Wishing Joba the best in his long road to recovery.

    • Plank

      Hopefully he makes it back and better than ever.

  • Gonzo

    I can’t believe people are upset at the Haren trade. The one that got away is Doc. He would have made AJ unnecessary.

    Joba for Doc! To the time machines!

    • Plank

      The Halladay trade never felt like it could actually happen. I don’t think the Jays would have traded within the division. The Haren deal just seemed to make so much sense at the time to me.

      • Gonzo

        I still think the snakes had their hearts set on Skaggs. Rumor was that they wanted him in the draft and felt he was the one that got away.

        Wouldn’t be the first time a team used the Yankees to get the other team to include the guy they wanted.

    • Needed Pitching

      was Halladay even available before they signed AJ?
      He wasn’t traded until after 2009. (I don’t recall if he was really on the market before that)

      • Gonzo

        Bah stupid memory.

    • Jesse

      I remember those rumors vividly. I was sitting in the waiting room at the doctor’s office and on my iPod touch I remember reading the rumor from the NY Daily News. At the time I was exactly on the fence with it. If the trade would have been made, I would have been happy, if the trade hadn’t been made, I would have been equally as happy.

  • pistol pete

    I hope the Yanks can find 300 to 400 at bats for Nunez this year. He had three hits today and I think if he plays more he’ll become a very good hitter. He can fly and play multiple positions although presently none of them terribly well. With Montero gone why not give Nunez a good shot at the dh at bats. He’s clearly different from Montero in the power area but he’ll hit well and can really run. He’s certainly better than the present DH options.

    • Havok9120

      Because if we have to use him to sub someone in the field when he’s the DH, we lose the DH slot for the game. Montero as the 3rd catcher and DH would work, but Nunez is our primary backup for our 38 year old shortstop as well the 3rd 3Bman. He has too many jobs to slot him in at DH very often.

      We could make it work by reworking the roster (Ramiro Pena loves this plan), but he doesn’t provide enough offense to change the entire complexion of the bench to get him ABs.

  • Robinson Tilapia

    To me, Chad Jennings nails it here:

    http://yankees.lhblogs.com/201.....e-fathers/

    • Jesse

      Same. Great post by Chad.

  • Judith Quarles

    Very bad news about Joba, I had high hopes for him after the way he was throwing last season before his surgery. Hopefully the Yankees can bring him back on the cheap and he can still be a contributor to the ‘pen. I’d give him another chance for the right price.

  • Claudell

    Congrats on the new fatherhood, David!

  • Rainbow Pinstripes
    • Fin

      Man, I try to avoid that duechebags articles, but I couldnt resist seeing what he had to say. That will be the last time I read and article by that idiot.

  • Monterowasdinero

    Feel bad for Joba but he is done for this year. That is one thing that is certain about our pitching staff in 2012.

  • jayd808

    From another poster elsewhere: Pirates catcher Jason Kendall suffered a similar gruesome ankle injury during a home game at Three Rivers Stadium on July 4, 1999 when he was 25. He recovered in time for the 2000 season and even hit for the cycle that May.

    I don’t see why Joba can’t recover from this injury as well as Jason Kendall did. In fact, an enforced healing of the elbow surgery is not a bad thing. Joba, in typical Joba style, was pushing his return to the game and this will sit him down for sure.

    I’m amazed at some of the insensitive comments here. Granted Joba has always had a lightning-rod kind of existence but I never realized how deep the cynicism and corn husker rube hatred fed into the perception of him as a less-than-serious athlete.

    I, for one, will be rooting for his return. God bless him.

    • Plank

      I just read through the entire thread because of your post. Who isn’t rooting for his return? Please link to the relevant post. Thanks.

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    The draft is Sunday morning (March 25th) at 10:00am eastern.

    The league ID is: 41280
    The password is: nyybaseball