Update: Pettitte will return in 2013
By7:36pm: Pettitte has informed the team that he intends to pitch next season, reports Bryan Hoch. The two sides hope to have a deal done within 48 hours.
8:45am: According to Buster Olney, Andy Pettitte is close to formally announcing his return in 2013. He says the two sides are close to a new contract, which Joel Sherman says will be worth $10-11M. No surprise there.
Pettitte, 40, has reportedly started his offseason workout routine to test his body in advance of a decision. That was an indication a) his family gave him to thumbs up to return in 2013, and b) he actually wanted to play again. I don’t think he would have started his routine if his heart wasn’t into it. Nothing is final yet, but it appear to be only a matter of time before Pettitte is officially back in pinstripes.
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Ichiro, then Andy! Great day!
And Martin update last night. Love it!
Another update on Martin, he’s seeking a 4 year deal for $9 million a year.
Not good.
Bye Bye, sign Pierzynski for 1 year.
Yuck, no way.
CC
Andy
Kuroda
Hughes
Nova
With Phelps as backup, not sure if Pineda will do much. Great rotation. With Ichiro in RF, Gardy in CF and Grandy in LF we’ll have a good outfield as well.
But who hits the home runs?
Grandy.
Absolutely no power from either corner outfielder, which makes getting power from the DH position, ie, Ibanez/Chavez etc that much more critical.
I don’t know why whenever I say we should get Pena, everyone is opposed to it. I know he can’t play OF, but just grab a righty 4th OF to platoon with Ichiro/Gardner/Granderson, maybe Ben Francisco/trade for Chris Heisey/Drew Stubbs maybe. Then, put Pena against righties. There’s all this talk about the playoffs with Ibanez, but seriously I think at this point Pena has more left in the tank than Ibanez.
I’m not opposed to Pena, but do you notice how people here react to Curtis Granderson? BWAHAHAHAHAHA.
What would buy Pena some rope there would be his defense at first, which just isn’t going to be utilized often with Tex in there.
Difference is that Granderson produced last year despite the Ks, and is a few years younger. Pena is coming off a legitimately rough year, his second in the last three. And is 35 this season. I’m not against it at the right price and depending on the rest of the DH/bench situation, but I wouldn’t count on him.
Glad to hear that it seems Andy will be back. I’ll be happy when the deal is done and he’s officially added to the team. Makes for a solid looking rotation. Let’s hope it performs that way.
WFAN reported 1 year for $11 million. Sounded like it was a done deal.
Works for me. Hope it works out well for Andy and the Yankees as well.
Starting rotation looks more than solid. Now go sign Soria to shore up the pen and the pitching staff should be a major strength.
Great. Now add a big bat.
Good news, but looking over the starting five you can see what a big blow Banuelo’s surgery is. Looking to 2014, only CC and Nova are under contract. Toss in Pineda under assumption he’ll be ok by then and you’ve got three. Even with Phelps in the mix, ManBan coming off a year probably split between AAA and the big club would’ve been a huge help.
They are fine in 2013, beyond at that, who knows at this point (you can’t assume anything with Banuelos or especially Pineda), which is why Hughes may be extremely important to the future plans.
Unless you have detailed info, you can assume that Banuelos will recover at the historical success rate of Ps coming off TJS. Which is quite high.
Unless you have detailed info, you can assume that any recovery is uncertain until it the pitcher is back throwing exactly like he was prior to the injury for a significant period of time.
No. You project things based on the probability of different outcomes. Projecting a 100% probability of no return from a very common procedure with a high recovery rate is unrealistic.
Of course. In an ideal world, you’d be slotting in at least two cost-controlled guys in there with some confidence.
The 2014 plan definately included a low-cost Pineda and ManBan. Could still happen, but ManBan looks to be more 2015.
Geez, I wake up and the Yankees sign everyone.
Go back to sleep and front get up until Mo is back…. Thanks
Sweeny Murti ?@YankeesWFAN
Am told Ichiro deal is not done, just rumor. It is clear Yanks have interest in bringing him back, so entirely possible at some point.
sorry, wrong thread.
40 man roster decisions? Who is DFA or traded to make room?
I would imagine they trade one of Adams/CoJo before season starts, right?
I would bet against it. I’m sure they’d be willing to move either in the right deal, but with Adams’ injury risk and CoJo’s defensive risk I’m not sure if they’ll bring back great value. Plus the IF depth is valuable with A-Rod’s recent injury history, Cano’s impending FA, and no improvement yet made over Nix/Nunez.
Cervelli at some point? Don’t know who is low man on the totem poll right now, but I gotta believe that Cervelli will be traded at some point if there’s any interest in him.
Cervelli, Whiteside, Spence, Stairs, Rondon, Nix, and Dickerson are guys who could free up space.
I’ve been relatively supportive of the guy, but I can’t imagine that there’s much trade interest in Cervelli at this point. Would love to be wrong.
No way… Pittsburgh wanted him last year, and they are still very VERY weak behind the plate. This may be the year we trade him for no good anythings… Great times.
Also, McCutchen would look bitchin’ in PinStripes… Jus sayin
I don’t remember exactly what the rumor was, but in the end the Pirates turned down the Yankees offer of Cervelli for Lincoln.
What could Eppley bring in from a package? Would a trade to CIN work if we toss in Marshall to get Heisey as a 4th OF? Always liked Heisey.
I’d say Eppley is slightly above “throw-in” status.
Yeah, in that package I would call Marshall the meat and Eppley the throw-in.
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With Andy, Irchio,in the fold and Martin, and Rivera next,here comes the big question: Do you really think the Yanks will go into next season with a all lefthanded swinging outfield ? My quess is Granderson goes in a trade for a righty bat in left.
Like who? Cuddyer? Willingham would be ideal, but I’d rather go with Granderson. I mean, he hit 44 home runs. I know that’s an old school stat, but 44 HR is 44 HR.
44 HRs is going to matter in any school.
I think one or even two RH OF signing is far more likely than Granderson being dealt. I think it’s possible Granderson is dealt, but pretty unlikely unless there is a corresponding Gordon/Upton/Stanton/any good OF move.
Great, GO GET GIANCARLO!!!
So much for not being able to multitask.
Looking forward as well to seeing who the new faces will be, but glad to see these re-signings taking place.
Kuroda, Pettitte, Rivera.
Never been so happy to see the Yankees get older.
Sweeeeeeeeeet!!
No changes same duds………………..how anyone could be happy with this team is outta their heads. They are the same team that lost and no changes.
The same team that lost 67 games… and won 95? Yeah. Terrible. One month into a long off-season? Yeah. Terrible.
*trap door*
You, my friend, are a knucklehead (or a troll). I think most reasonable fans would sign up for a 95 win and playoff run.
Yeah, those guys blow…. Go Mets.
Welcome back, Andy. Have no idea how many games he can start or IPs he can give, but 25/165 would be great. Have to assume he’ll miss some time, which makes a solid 6th starter like Phelps important.
Welcome back, Andy. So glad to have you back.
Lots old nothing new lots of nothing. Multi billion corporation and we have to be excited about maybe resigning Martin. That’s a damn shame that it’s this pathetic.
Not sure what’s more pathetic: your reasoning or your grammar?
“Andy’s comeback featured a 2.87 ERA (3.48 FIP) in 75.1 innings across a dozen starts, plus some of the best peripherals of his career: 8.24 K/9 (22.8 K%), 2.51 BB/9 (6.9 BB%), and 56.3% grounders.”
Yeah, re-signing this guy is gonna be a fucking bum out. How pathetic
I’m sure I’ll get a lot of hate for this, but it kind of bothers me how Andy and Mo are insisting on $10M+. The Yankees have no choice but to say yes to them, so they ask for an amount more than what they would likely get on the open market. Mariano, even as dominant as he’s been, is a 43 year old reliever who is coming off season ending surgery. He made $15M last year to do nothing. Why can’t he take an incentive laden contract instead of getting a guaranteed $10M. Same with Andy. He made 12 starts last year after taking the previous year off and while he was underpaid last year, it ended up being a fair deal since he only made 12 starts. He’s also 40 years old. Just wish these guys would give a little back to a Franchise that’s been overpaying them for years.
Even with only 12 starts, Andy was worth considerably more than the $2.5M he earned was paid last season. Consider it slightly more than 1/3 of a season for a $15M-20M-ish SP. I don’t think it’s completely unrealistic that he could get in the $10M area on the open market this year (though maybe slightly less).
Call me crazy but I’d rather have Dan Haren for the same price.
You’re crazy, if for no other reason than the injury concern.
Or age, or any reasonable career pitching statistic.
We’re not talking career numbers, we’re talking what the guys are now. Injury concerns (fairly big ones if the reactions of teams who have seen his medicals are to be believed), outweigh age or past performance. If a guy’s back explodes, you get nothing. If a guy’s performance dips for age reasons, he’s still eating innings.
Not to mention that getting Haren is pretty theoretical. If he’s taking a “rebuild value” deal, he isn’t coming to a pitching friendly park in a division of pitching friendly parks so he can face what is probably still the toughest competition in the MLB. And if its NOT a “rebuild value” deal, he isn’t taking 1 year.
Andy has the same career ERA- and a lower FIP-. He produced more than Haren did last year in less than half as many starts.
Also, serious back problems did not tank his performance last year. So that’s always good.
Is Haren actually available for that price (and available to the Yankees at that price)? My guess is if Haren has to accept a 1-year deal, he’s going to go somewhere to rebuild his value, not move to a hitter’s park in a tougher division.
Frankly, if Haren was available to the Yankees at 1/$10-11M, I’d sign them both.
Now that I do not know, but I do know that the Angels did not believe him to be worth $12M, so I doubt teams are willing to go as high as the $10-11M price tag that it appears Pettite will sign for.
If they don’t, that would be a very strong indication that their is a major injury issue/worry with Haren. Combine that with his very mediocre performance last year, and I’d much rather have Pettitte. Still injury concerns with Pettitte, but he was at least very good this season.
Or maybe they don’t have an injury concern, but don’t believe him to be worth $12M on the open market. Haren’s mediocre performance is pretty much Andy Pettite level performance 2006-2009, when Andy was paid $15M+ annually.
It was a fair bit worse than Pettittes 2006-2009, especially adjusting for parks pitched in, league offense at the time, etc.
If team’s believe Haren’s 2012 is what he is now, he may not get $10M, even if healthy. But if that’s what he is now, why would the Yankees want him?
There have been reports that team’s have been scared off of Haren because of hip and back concerns.
The stuff about Mo last season is undeniable. But Pettitte was massively underpaid considering the situation the team’s rotation was in when he came back. As for “overpaying them for years”…no. Just no.
Maybe Mo wasn’t overpaid for years compared to the market value, but $15M per year for a reliever is ridiculous in my opinion, no matter how good he is. The inflation of value of a reliever just because he is a “closer” is one of the most ridiculous notions in sports.
But we aren’t talking your opinion or your notions of worth. Or mine for that matter. Players play for market value, barring odd circumstances that can’t be counted on. Is 15 million market value for Mo? *shrug* Considering what other closers (and relievers in general) are getting paid, I’d have to say yes.
Andy would get $10M on the open market without even blinking. A potential #2 starter on a one year deal??
Jeremy Guthrie got $8.3M per year and can not hold Pettitte’s jock.
Again for emphasis:
Andy’s comeback featured a 2.87 ERA (3.48 FIP) in 75.1 innings across a dozen starts, plus some of the best peripherals of his career: 8.24 K/9 (22.8 K%), 2.51 BB/9 (6.9 BB%), and 56.3% grounders.
This guy gets paid $11M on any team in the league. Without a fucking doubt.
The Guthrie contract made little sense to me, and I’m sure most people around baseball. And I think I could argue that Guthrie at this point in his career should be worth a higher AAV than Pettite, being that he’s 7 years younger and has made more than 12 starts in the last 2 seasons.
He’s younger.
He’s been more durable.
He’s also a much, much worse pitcher.
I would think pretty much every team, if given the choice between Guthrie or Pettitte for 2013, would take the chance on Pettitte.
Please take a gander at Andy Pettite’s career stats. They really are not that much better than Guthrie’s last few years. Plus Pettite is due for some regression from his 2012 stats, unless you are going to argue that he’s getting better as he’s getting older. I am not a Guthrie fan, nor would I have given him that contract, and I also would rather have Pettite for this year than Guthrie, but I don’t think Pettite should be worth a higher AAV than Guthrie considering his age, injury history, and his small sample size the last 2 years.
Pettitte 2009-2012: 3.63 ERA, 3.92 FIP, 7.7 fWAR (in 399 IP)
Guthrie 2009-2012: 4.47 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 6.9 fWAR (in 799 IP)
Yes Pettitte will likely regress some. Yes it’s very unlikely he throws anywhere near 200 IP.
But there is definitely a wide performance gap between the 2. Guthrie has pitched fairly consistently like a back of the rotation starter. Pettitte has pitched consistently like a mid-rotation starter (at least). Andy has provided more value in that time period DESPITE retiring for a year and missing significant time due to injuries. Andy could pitch only half of next season and still potentially provide more value than Guthrie.
Yes, they are.
If you can’t spell his name, then move on.
Heh, ietc
Getting one year older doesn’t mean falling off a cliff. The risk of regression increases, but you seem to really underrate Pettitte.
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