Jun
23

Game 75: Old Timers’ Day

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There isn’t another team in sports that can pull off an event like Old Timers’ Day, at least not on the same scale as the Yankees. Hall of Famers, bench players, solid regulars, and a whole bunch of World Champions will be on the field today as the team celebrates its history. The awesomeness of Old Timers’ Day doesn’t translate well across television — it really is an event everyone should experience in person at least once. I highly recommend it.

The full roster of Old Timers can be found right here. Among the first timers are Orlando Hernandez, John Flaherty, and Andy Phillips. I am most looking forward to seeing El Duque again; hopefully he pitches in the Old Timers’ Game. Jorge Posada will not be making his debut this summer, but it’ll happen eventually. I am definitely looking forward to it.

The ceremony and baseline introductions start at 11:15am ET with the Old Timers’ Game to follow. All of that can be seen on YES. The Yankees and Rays are scheduled to start at 2:05pm ET, which you’ll be able to watch on YES locally and TBS nationally. Enjoy all of it.

Update (11:34am): Here is the lineup for Yankees-Rays, which is identical to yesterday’s:

  1. CF Brett Gardner
  2. RF Ichiro Suzuki
  3. 2B Robinson Cano
  4. DH Travis Hafner
  5. 1B Lyle Overbay
  6. LF Zoilo Almonte
  7. SS Jayson Nix
  8. 3B David Adams
  9. C Chris Stewart

The roster move has not been announced yet, but Ivan Nova will be summoned from Triple-A to start the game. The rotation was thrown out of whack by Tuesday’s rainout.

Injury Updates: Mark Teixeira (wrist) was checked out by the doctor yesterday but has not yet been cleared to resume any kind of activity. They’ll re-evaluate again soon and go from there.

Roster Move (12:04pm): Thomas Neal has been optioned to Triple-A Scranton to clear a spot for Nova. He went 2-for-11 (.182) in four games with New York after being called up last week, but Almonte has since zoomed passed him on the outfield depth chart. The Yankees currently have a 13-man pitching staff and a three-man bench, but it seems likely Nova will be sent down following the spot start.

Categories : Game Threads
  • Pat D

    I wonder if Mo returns for OTD already next year.

    No Winfield again. Starting to wonder why he can’t be bothered.

    Obviously Mattingly and Tino have jobs that prevent them from attending.

    Wonder where Graig Nettles is this year.

    Plenty of other guys who you’d like to see that aren’t there.

    • trr

      It’s always like that. Some guys, it’s just not their thing, others have jobs/commitments , some (sadly) have health issues….personally, I enjoy this day , but honestly ? I could do without the OTD game itself…

    • Roadgeek Adam

      Winfield was at the stadium the other day…

      • Pat D

        Really? Huh. I saw Strawberry there the other day, too, and he’s not there today.

        • Roadgeek Adam

          Yeah Strawman was there on Almonte day, I thought Winfield was the day before, or a couple days.

    • RetroRob

      Nettles and Sparkly Lyle are two I always would like to show up, but rarely ever.

      • Pat D

        I thought Nettles was usually there. I don’t recall ever seeing Lyle.

        • RetroRob

          I’ve seen Nettles, but I feel like he should be one of those players there every year. Maybe I’ve just missed him of late.

          I can remember Lyle showing up once or so. Been quite a while.

          • Rob L

            I remember Sparky Lyle being there at OTD in the late 1980s. He threw an Eephus pitch a few times, and then started throwing them behind his back.

        • http://nydailynews falstaff2

          Where was Joe Torre?

  • vicki

    happy luis sojo day.

  • Winter

    One of the first games I ever went to at Yankee Stadium was Old-Timers day. I wasn’t too old (and this will definitely age me), but I remember thinking Oscar Gamble had a really funny name and I got a ball signed by Jim Abbott. One of my best early Yankees memories.

  • OldYanksFan

    According to the Baseball Cube (http://www.thebaseballcube.com/)

    ……………. pA – pB
    Speed….. 61 – 37
    Contact.. 37 – 58
    Patience. 48 – 44
    Batting… 59 – 79
    Power….. 75 – 65

    Who looks better?
    Who are Players A and B?

    • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting)

      Zoilo and ?

  • jimmy james

    I don’t know why, but I never really got into OTD and the festivities. However, I’m glad other people enjoy it.

    • RetroRob

      It helps to have a connection to the players, meaning they are ones you grew up and liked, and hopefully were part of some great teams.

      When Mo, Jeter, Andy, etc. join Bernie and Jorge as regulars for OT’s day, more “recent” fans will probably get into the day.

  • Pat D

    MIA OTD Roster (for various reasons):
    Jorge Posada
    Don Mattingly
    Tino Martinez
    Scott Brosius
    Mike Mussina
    Dave Winfield
    Ken Griffey Sr.
    Chuck Knoblauch
    Shane Spencer
    Graig Nettles
    Luis Sojo
    Darryl Strawberry
    Dwight Gooden
    Tim Raines
    Wade Boggs
    Sparky Lyle (has he ever returned?)
    Ed Figueroa
    Tommy John
    Mike Pagliarulo
    Ralph Terry
    Tony Kubek

    and the persona(s) non grata:
    Roger Clemens
    Chad Curtis
    Jim Leyritz

    The perverse side of me would like to see some of the guys from the late 80’s that I had way too many Topps cards of:
    Ron Kittle
    Dan Pasqua
    Gary Ward
    Claudell Washington
    Paul Zuvella
    Lenn Sakata
    John Candelaria
    Rick Rhoden

    Anyone I’m forgetting from either list? Anyone else have any “perverse favorites” they’d like to see come back?

    • Roadgeek Adam

      Cecil Fielder is not here today.

      • Pat D

        Yep, there’s one I forgot.

    • Henry Krinkle

      Chicken Stanley, Don Slaught, Alfonso Pulido, Mike Stanton, Scott Brosius, David Weathers, Jimmy Key , and Kevin Maas are some who aren’t there,granted Pulido is beyond obscure. Mel Hall is probably a persona non grata guy.

      • Henry Krinkle

        Bob Watson, Steve Sax, Melido Perez, and John Wetteland also aren’t there. I suppose they can forgive Jack McDowell for the bird and hai crappy pitching.

        • Pat D

          Those are all good names. Pulido definitely obscure. I said Brosius. Sax coaches for Arizona, as does Don Baylor. Hall’s definitely persona non grata. I don’t think things ended well between Watson and the team. Can’t believe I forgot Stanton.

          Rey Sanchez, Mariano Duncan, Ruben Sierra, Tony Clark, Karim Garcia (who? says Pedro Martinez and Kevin Millar)…

          Jose Cardenal and Tony Cloninger as former coaches.

          Oh, duh. Where are you, Mr. Torre????

          • Henry Krinkle

            Sorry, I skipped over Brosius on your list . Forgot about Sax in Arizona. Where’s Steve Trout? He was supposed to win Lou the pennant.

            • Pat D

              Steve Trout ranks just below Ed Whitson and just above Carl Pavano in popularity.

              • Robinson Tilapia

                Wasn’t around as long as either, though. Closing in on “sad footnote” more than anything else, at this point.

      • Rolling Doughnut

        Wow. Pulido. Came up when Tommy John got injured right? Actually, I remember him more from the year he went 17-3 for the Mexico City Diablos Rojos. Arriba Mexico Cabrones!

        • Henry Krinkle

          I don’t remember why he came up. I do remember he threw a screwball, but luckily at the young age I didn’t delude myself into thinking he was another Valenzuela. He pitched maybe one good game against the Red Sox in long relief , but Don Zimmer, the 3rd base coach waved a couple of runners into outs and hey lost that one. I love useless information.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          I always thought he’d be something.

        • Mikhel

          Yep, if I remember correctly, Pulido was promoted when Tommy got injuried, he was OK in relief but of course he was not Al Pulido (RIP).

          • Mikhel

            OOPS meant to say “he was not Antonio Pulido (RIP)”, Antonio was a very very good mexican closer who died in 2004.

    • JobaWockeeZ

      Why are those three unwelcome?

      • Pat D

        Clemens because of the steroid shit (remember how he wasn’t at the Old Stadium closing festivities?), Leyritz because of the vehicular homicide and Curtis because of the religious stuff/supposed fights with Jeter that led to him being traded from the team after the 1999 season.

        • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting)

          This probably doesn’t help Chad’s case:
          http://hardballtalk.nbcsports......isconduct/

          Leyritz got hired by the Yankees since the DUI stuff.
          http://riveraveblues.com/2012/.....act-66888/

          • Robinson Tilapia

            I had no clue as to the Curtis stuff.

          • Pat D

            Forgot about that with Leyritz.

        • Bo Knows

          Doubt being religious is even a .00000000000001% of the reason why Curtis will never be at OTD. The fight and the fact he was diddling young girls takes huge precedent over everything else

          • Pat D

            I just remember the religious stuff being a somewhat controversial story at the time. Totally forgot about the other stuff.

            • Bo Knows

              Remember he was/still is an asshole who lacked humility and thought his shit didn’t stink.

              • Pat D

                Very true. No one will forget the Jim Gray snub.

                In retrospect, who looks better for that situation? Gray, pretty clearly.

          • Mikhel

            Same with… Mel Hall, though it would be quite difficult for him to attend with him being in jail and all that.

    • Jimmy

      Don Baylor, Ed Figueroa, Jimmy Key?

      • Jimmy

        Jim Abbott, Al Cowley (heh)?

  • Jimmy

    Gary Sheffield is definitely someone who needs to play in the OTD game sometime soon.

    • Pat D

      Oh, yea, add him to my persona non grata list.

  • Wil Nieves #1 Fan

    Nova for Thomas Neal?

    • Pat D

      King Zolio the Impossibly Long Named by Dalek Jeter has made Neal superfluous.

  • Pasqua

    Anybody know how Gene Monahan is doing health-wise? Things seemed pretty dire a while back, but he looks great! Anybody know?

    • RetroRob

      I think he’s fine. Still not sure what type of cancer he had (and I’m not even sure it was cancer), but he came back and worked after he recovered and seems fine whenever we see him pop up now.

      He never really talked about is, so no way of knowing for sure.

  • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

    Counter-opinion to Mike: Been to Old-Timer’s Day once. Not worth the bloated ticket cost. Frankly, it was a bit of a disappointment. They stand there and wave, and honestly we haven’t had somebody REALLY fun for years, like a Joe D or a Mickey.

    Things will get a lot cooler when Jeet and Mo start showing up for massive five minute standing ovations again. As of now? Half-hearted applause for each old-timer as they wave their cap around . Kind of boring.

    • trr

      There used to more grandeur some years ago when more of the legendary names were still around. I suppose that aura will be pased on to Jeter , Mo, et al. It means a little more the older you get. At worst, it’s harmless nostalgia…but that OTD game…I just can’t watch it.

      • The Real Greg

        I’m watching it more for the banter now between the players.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Oh man.. Disagree completely. Maybe my favorite non-playoff moment of the year.

      I missed the intros. Already have the replay set to record.

      • RetroRob

        My guess is they will replay the intros at some point this evening. I remember I missed OT’s day last year and caught the player introductions in the evening.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          8:30 PM. :)

          LOVE the intros.

          • Mikhel

            Damn and here in México we don’t get to watch the Old Timer’s Day game anymore, it’s been at least 12-13 years since the last time i saw one :(

      • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

        It’s more fun on TV when you could hear what they’re saying.

  • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

    To answer the Sparky questions: He’s managing a small team in a professional league that I would guess is a rough equivalent to AA in NJ (fun fact: Craig Nettles’ son, Jeff Nettles, plays for Sparky’s team). He’s probably busy.

    By all accounts I’ve seen he’s enjoying himself tremendously, and is probably the team’s biggest draw.

    I love Sparky. I actually was impressed when reading “The Bronx Zoo” about his attitude towards Goose. He really took the high road there, and he became a tutor for him. He also made no bones about the fact that by 78′ he had declined big time, something else that impressed me.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Great book.

      • Jimmy

        Seconded. Awesome book.

    • Pat D

      I went to one of those games where Lyle manages, it was like 10 years ago, got him to sign a cap of his team for me. Seemed like he was a bit annoyed at the moment because it was somewhat during the middle of the game, but that was when a friend of a friend of mine who worked at the park got me that chance to go down there.

      I’ve always meant to read his book.

  • WhittakerWalt

    Hey did anyone see yesterday when Almonte forgot how many outs there were? He caught the third out of the inning, then made like he was going to throw back in to the infield. Then and only then he realized the inning was over, and ran off the field.

    Now remember, guy not realizing how many outs there are = GET HIM OFF THE TEAM. His head’s clearly not in the game.

    • trr

      I dare say many a major leaguer has done the same at some point…

      • The Real Greg

        Agreed. Plus it could have been worse and he could have pulled a Larry Walker.

      • WhittakerWalt

        That’s my point, I was being sarcastic. The “get Cano out of here” faction has been repeating this mantra for the past three days.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          I wasn’t fooled. :)

        • I’m not the droids you’re looking for…

          Plus, better to think its the second out when it’s the third, than the third out when it’s only the second.

  • The Real Greg

    Pinella to Cano: Son, you need to learn to take a pitch….

    • Dalek Jeter

      Really Greg? the day after he went 1-1 with 4(!!!!) unintentional walks?!

      • The Real Greg

        That thought did cross my mind. But Lou don’t care.

        • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting)

          Cano career BB% – 5.8% (10% this year)
          Piniella career BB% – 5.8%

          • The Real Greg

            I thought Cano had been walking a bit more this year.

            And as for Piniella I doubt he practiced what he preaches.

            • Pat D

              I think there’s a passage in Olney’s book where he talks about O’Neill’s days in Cincinnati and said that Piniella drove O’Neill insane. Piniella couldn’t understand why O’Neill didn’t hit more home runs. So the one year O’Neill changed his approach he hit 28 home runs but only batted .256.

              Piniella didn’t really let O’Neill just develop naturally the way the Yankees let him.

  • The Real Greg

    By the way, out of curiosity, what is the Yankees record on OTD?

  • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting)

    So who would the callup be if Nova is demoted after the game?

    • Robinson Tilapia

      El Duque?

      • Roadgeek Adam

        I was thinking Bernie.

        • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting)

          Bernie could fit well as the RHDH.

          • Robinson Tilapia

            In all seriousness, is it time for the Dellin bullpen show?

            • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting)

              That might be the move, but it’s not like they really need an extra reliever right now. He’d probably be sparsely used – if used at all. It would probably be better for him to keep getting regular work in AAA.

  • Roadgeek Adam

    Bucky Dent barely missed a home run last year. Makes up for it?

  • Roadgeek Adam

    Old Timer’s Walk-off?

  • The Real Greg

    That’s a nice play.

  • Robinson Tilapia

    Balboni not even trying out there. That’s why my dad never liked him.

    • nycsportzfan

      bye bye! Dude was just a Rob Deer type. He coulden’t hit a lick. Just occasionaly hit a moon shot.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        Yeah, he wasn’t much but, man, put in some effort and show some pride on OTD.

  • Robinson Tilapia

    El Duque pulling the old WWE “you call that competition?! Give me some competition or I’m not leaving!”

  • Robinson Tilapia

    I’d actually like for life to turn out in a way where Clemens gets to go out there and pitch on OTD. I’d like a happy enough ending there.

    • I’m not the droids you’re looking for…

      AMP style?

      • Robinson Tilapia

        What’s AMP? You lost me there. :)

  • RetroRob

    Bernie looks like he’s finally accepted retirement, judging by the extra weight he’s packed on over the past year.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Funny how quickly that happens sometimes.

      On the other hand, Roy White’s been out of baseball for 30 years and looks like he could take anyone here at a 5K.

      • RetroRob

        As it is for all of us (not just athletes), keeping the weight off goes a long way. White, Guidry, Randolph all seem like themselves, obviously just older. Some players are unrecognizable!

        • Robinson Tilapia

          It’s like I walked outside after my son was born and there was 15 lbs. waiting for me.

          • RetroRob

            15 can easily become 30 or 40 over a few years. I carried 30+ pounds after the birth of my daughter. I finally shed it after she went off to college. I jokingly blame her, but it was all me. It is more difficult with kid or kids, less free time, worse sleeping schedule, more stress, etc.

            • Robinson Tilapia

              Absolutely. I’m not quite sure how it happened. Just not as much time to make smart eating decisions, lack of sleep, etc. Still went to the gym the entire time. Just lacked the energy to go the extra mile sometimes.

              Getting easier, though. I think I’ll successfully avoid getting into that range. Would love to get back to where I was, though. Worked my ass off to get there because I knew it’d get harder later.

  • nycsportzfan

    Im starting to get alittle bitter watching Austin Jackson these days..lol

  • nycsportzfan

    Tigers got 1st and 2nd no one out with Cabrera against a Lefty right now..lol And a 2-0 count. How’d you like to be Doubront right now??lolo

    • nycsportzfan

      Ground rule double and a RBI for Cabrera..lol Dude is gross!

  • Robinson Tilapia

    I’d love one of these Flaherty-mikes on Austin Romine one game.

    “Shit! Oh shit! Where’s the ball?! Wow, that was fast,” and so on.

  • Robinson Tilapia

    The one time I went to OTD, my in-laws got us seats in the 400 level, which means we were murdered by the sun for about six hours before Jeff Karstens blew the regular game in extras, which is why I will NEVER forgive Jeff Karstens.

    • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

      I’ve been to three Yankee games ever. The first was the third game of walk-off weekend in 09′ (Johnny Damon HR), which was awesome. The second game was the 2011 OT day game. A.J. Burnett got creamed. Not so awesome. The third game was last year in September when Phil Hughes pitched us to a 2-1 win highlighted by a Cano game-saving leaping catch and a huge ovation for a recently revitalized Jeet every time he came up. IT was awesome.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        There was one season, back when I really did go 10-12 times a year (pre-kid) in which I could swear Darrell Rasner started EVERY time.

        • Dalek Jeter

          I had the same thing when I was a kid, it seemed Moose started every game I went to while he was with the team, and every single time he got lit up. I remember one game he got destroyed by the Rangers, and A-Rod torched him. I’m pretty sure it was this game: http://www.baseball-reference......8020.shtml

      • Dalek Jeter

        It’s amazing you can remember the games you went to, I’ve been blessed to go to a bunch of games in my life…and I remember a handful, the one that really sticks out in my mind though was the game after the 15 inning epic against the Sox that Alex one with a walk off, because before the season I was buying a couple games from a dude that had season tickets and had a choice between those two and took the day after.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          I can’t remember games. I can remember moments, though.

          I had to have been to a game or two as a kid, but the earliest I can remember was an Al Leiter, before the Barfield trade, start.

          Only game I’ve been to since 2012 has been a Met game. Just wow. Maybe by September, we can get away with my boy roaming the concourses and stuff at YS3. Probably not a whole lot of sitting around. We’ll probably get the luxury suite invite to Citifield before the season ends again, and I’ll take that in a heartbeat.

        • RetroRob

          I have difficulty remembering the complete games, but I do remember snippets that happen in the game, but in most cases I don’t remember the entire game unless it was something special. I remember being at David Cone’s perfect game. I remember being at the game Barry Bonds broke the career HR record because it was a total fluke I was there, to this day the only time I’ve been in that park.

          In another category is me wondering if I was actually at a game, or if in time I’ve come to believe I was at a game. For example, the infamous one where Bobby Meacham and Dale Berra were tagged out at home plate on a single play. I was sure I was there, but as time went on and I saw the replay so many times on TV, I began to wonder if I actually was there. I went back and checked my tickets (I’ve kept every one), and sure enough I did find the ticket for that game.

          • Dalek Jeter

            I have the same thing with Paul O’Neil’s 1000th RBI game. I swear I was there as a kid. I remember seeing the graphic on the scoreboard, and sitting like right there on the 3B line. But if I was there I was like 8 at the time and my dad doesn’t ever remember sitting field level on the 3B line.

  • RetroRob

    Building off Pat D’s question at the top of the thread, my guess is we will see Mo at OT’s day pretty much immediately. He won’t be walking away from the game with doubts on his return, he doesn’t seem to have a negative reaction to the term “retirement,” basically at peace with is decision. That might encourage Posada to join next year’s OT game, and if Andy retires after this year, we could very well see four of the Core Four +1 group next year, with only Jeter watching on in horror knowing his time is coming soon!

    • Robinson Tilapia

      I’m not so sure.

      I always think there’s a couple of years gap before a guy comes back. Who came back immediately in recent memory?

      I’m fine with him not returning for a couple of years. Let us miss him. I can’t wait to see Jorge out there, when it’s his time.

      • RetroRob

        I don’t disagree with any of that. In fact, in most cases I do think players wait a few years. Yet Mo’s mindset on this seems very different than most players, so I could see him coming back, which might encourage his other retired teammates to return.

        I’m not rooting for any one scenario. Frankly, I’d like for Pettitte finish strongly enough that he decides to return. They are going to need arms.

        • RetroRob

          To be clear, I’m saying Mo will return for Old Timer’s Day. Andy as a MLB player.

    • Dalek Jeter

      I still really want the core 4 to all wait until Jeter retires and then come back the following year. That’d be so fucking cool.

      • Pat D

        2018: 20th year anniversary of the greatest team ever. EVERYONE MUST BE THERE!! Players and coaches.

        Sadly, not Hideki Irabu, and yes, I mean that sincerely.

    • http://www.penuel-law.com/ Cuso

      He might give it one year for Posads’s sake. The retired guys make a big deal about how long they wait, so it’s a balance between not wanting to be “an old-timer” vs. The first time they come back the spotlight and fuss is about them. If Mo comes back next year it would overshadow Midge’s return.

  • Dalek Jeter

    Hopefully Archer spends a very short day in the Danger Zone.

  • PFOJ

    The Blue Jays are up 4-0. Their winning streak is the worst thing ever, I was enjoying their faceplant way too much for it to end like this.

  • SDB

    Toronto off to a 5-0 lead, in the mean time. They’re scaring me right now. But at least Baltimore’s not gaining ground.

  • The Real Greg

    Still can’t locate his fastball

  • Travis L.

    OMG. Sweaty Freddy is getting absolutely HAMMERED!!! I bet he wishes he was in the hotel room getting hammered right about now.

  • SDB

    Nice of Tampa to give up an out like that. Clearly they forgot that with Nova, a base hit usually is followed by an extra base hit.

  • Cy Pettitte

    some old Nova

    • Cy Pettitte

      same old*

  • The Real Greg

    Actually that was a good pitch. Zobrist just served it to left

    • The Real Greg

      But he can’t locate his fastball.

  • The Real Greg

    He’s probably a AAAA pitcher right now.

    • SDB

      To provide batting practice?

    • RetroRob

      He might also be a very good reliever. Failed starter, blah, blah, blah.

  • WhittakerWalt

    That was fast.

  • Cy Pettitte

    Hopefully they can be patient. Archer 6.4 BB/9.

  • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting)

    Please don’t sac here.

    • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting)

      fucking awful.
      Awful bunt. Awful decision to bunt.

    • RetroRob

      Well, he didn’t…but pretty sure that’s not what you meant.

    • Dalek Jeter

      Girardi didn’t hear you.

  • Cy Pettitte

    what a ridiculous bunt. why are they playing for one run right now?

    • The Real Greg

      Didn’t the Rays just do the same thing?

      • Pat D

        No, Jennings was going for a hit.

        • The Real Greg

          Ruled a sacrifice.

          • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting)

            Always ruled a sacrifice. Doesn’t change the intent.

          • Pat D

            Doesn’t mean he wasn’t trying to get a hit.

      • Cy Pettitte

        Gardy is on second already. I’d rather have Ichiro put it in play, I’d trust him to be able to pull it to move the runnre and maybe he finds a hole and gets a hit.

        • RetroRob

          I think we do have to at least consider the possibility that Ichiro decided to bunt to get a hit, meaning it wasn’t called from the bench.

          • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting)

            Back to back pitches, squared early on both, and with the IF way in.
            I’m guessing that’s highly unlikely.

            Either way, it was a horrible decision, whether Ichiro’s or Girardi’s.

            • Dalek Jeter

              He could have done “the Jeter” and decided to sacrifice on his own. Either way, bad play.

            • RetroRob

              Good point. I must have missed the first attempt.

      • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting)

        fwiw, it looked like Jennings was bunting for a hit. Ichiro’s looked like a straight sacrifice.
        Also, the Yankees already had the runner on second.

  • nycsportzfan

    Are u kidding Ichiro? Jeez!

  • The Real Greg

    Good idea, shit execution.

    • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting)

      Horrible idea.

      • Dalek Jeter

        I agree with NP&H(bmh) Ichiro’s been swinging a hot bat, Archer can and does walk the ball park, and it’s the 1st inning. Don’t play for 1 run.

      • Pat D

        Agreed. When Kay questions it, you know it was.

  • Anderson Silva

    how did gardner get to second there?

    • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting)

      E-7

  • Jorge Brosada

    Seriously, Ichiro?

  • Anderson Silva

    fucking ridiculous.. the guy is already at second, why bunt?

  • nycsportzfan

    Come on Robbie! This is the perfect guy to take deep, it would seem. A young righty who throws hard and has tome time locating.

    • nycsportzfan

      almost. Still a great AB for Cano making Archer work and eventually getting run in.

  • Pat D

    O’Neill can’t say “YES-view” too easily.

  • The Real Greg

    Now that I think about it, probably not a good idea to bunt there.
    The key being the runner was at second already.

    And the bunt is negated by the passed ball.

    • Dalek Jeter

      How? It’s still giving up an out. and (if you scream fallacy I will kill you) if Ichiro gets on and Cano hits that sack fly there’s one out, tied game, and a runner on at least second.

  • Pat D

    Archer seems to have command issues.

    • nycsportzfan

      He does. Its noted hes similar to Nova like that. Great stuff, but location issues and long counts.

      • Pat D

        The real (fake) Archer, however, is always in command.

        • Dalek Jeter

          Danger Zone

  • Anderson Silva

    Cano is having a good AB

  • The Real Greg

    And in the end the questionable bunt decision will go by the books because they scored a run there, at least to the outlets.

    • Pat D

      Potential big inning lost is the problem. But you’ll drive yourself crazy playing that game in your head.

      • WhittakerWalt

        I don’t why you’ve convinced yourself that all these bad decisions “will go by the books” just because a run happened to score.

        • Pat D

          I’m guessing that was directed at Greg, not me.

        • The Real Greg

          Because you never hear about them in the postgame conferences or in the newspapers afterwards when they win.

          • WhittakerWalt

            So? When’s the last time you heard anything substantial in the postgame presser?

  • Robinson Tilapia

    How’d we get/give up the run, non-Greg version?

    • Dalek Jeter

      Give up run: Single, bunt for a hit turned sacrifice, single (run scores), double play

      Get run: Gardner Single advance to second on error, failed sac bunt by Ichiro, 3rd on Wild pitch, Sac fly to the wall by Cano.

    • The Real Greg

      Gardner singled went to second on error
      Ichiro tried to bun and failed.
      Passed ball moved Gardner to third
      Cano sac fly.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        That was actually a non-Greg version.

        That’s why I like you in the end. You’re in on the joke.

      • Pat D

        I told Ichiro he should have just baked a regular loaf of bread instead of the bun.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          I love a good dim sum steamed pork bun.

          No, that has nothing to do with Ichiro and being Asian and whatnot. Just stating preferences.

          • Pat D

            Yea……

            In other food news, how’s work on the taco stand coming?

            • Robinson Tilapia

              There would be worse things for a guy approaching the beginning of mid-life crisis to think about than opening a taco stand.

              • Pat D

                An uncle of mind has been building a hot dog cart.

                No, really.

                If you do open a taco stand, it has to be only fish tacos.

                • Pat D

                  Mine, not mind. Dammit.

                  • Robinson Tilapia

                    As nice as the thought of it would be, I am not enough in the mood to throw thousands upon thousands of dollars at the wind in order to enter the food business.

                    I do fantasize about it from time to time, as I do making millions as a spin instructor. Anything with less stress and office politics. Of course, there’s that money thing. Damn.

                    We’d serve esoteric tacos, though, and there would DEFINITELY be a Texas-style breakfast taco.

                    • Robinson Tilapia

                      Also, all our chiles would be from New Mexico.

                    • Pat D

                      Watching so many episodes of Kitchen Nightmares and Restaurant Impossible has both made me want to run a restaurant and realize that it’s the dumbest fucking thing in the world to do.

                    • Robinson Tilapia

                      Two friends of mine run a very successful restaurant here in Brooklyn. It took a serious of amount of hard work and luck to get off the ground, as well as superhuman number of hours put into being at work because they couldn’t trust managers, etc., that still continues to this day, six years later.

                      In the time, I’ve seen spots around here where money’s gone into multiple places that have gone belly-up within a year.

                      It’s a fantasy I share as well, but no thanks.

                    • Pat D

                      Not being able to find a trustworthy manager has to be extremely frustrating.

                      I’m sure that pretty much necessitates them managing themselves more or less.

              • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting)

                Will you be serving any microwave burritos?

                And if so, why isn’t mine ready yet?

          • SDB

            Steamed pork buns are awesome. Pork soup dumplings are pretty great as well.

            Now I’m craving both.

  • nycsportzfan

    Nice AB by Pronk! Base Knock!

  • nycsportzfan

    25 1st inn pitches for Archer. I love it!

  • Anderson Silva

    I don’t get people’s love for Overbay. Dude has a sub .300 OBP.

    • The Real Greg

      Clutch RBIs early in the season.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Exceeded expectations of him. That’s about it.

      I do appreciate what he’s done but, no, I’m not going to blow smoke up his ass about it.

    • Pat D

      A few big hits >>> bad OBP.

      Until the big hits dry up and people start noticing the lack of production.

    • nycsportzfan

      Most of that love was for his 1st part of the yr. Obviously, the love affair has shrunk some. But still, hes done well overall for us.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        More to do with excitement over Tex getting back, I think. Now that he’s gone, I feel resigned to liking Overbay again.

  • Dalek Jeter

    So, off topic, but yesterday my job got these badass E-Cigarettes that are basically vaporizers that takes flavored water infused with nicotine and vaporizes it. My boss convinced me to try one, I haven’t had a real cigarette since yesterday, meanwhile had a very stressful afternoon yesterday.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      That’s why their good. They’re a good gateway away from them altogether. Hope it works out!

      • Robinson Tilapia

        “They’re.”

        I read that first sentence quickly and almost accused this of being a fake comment. :)

  • nycsportzfan

    Wow, that was filthy slider by Nova!

  • WhittakerWalt

    “I thought CC pitched very well”

    – John Sterling, who thinks the grand slam kinda sorta shouldn’t count I guess.

    • The Real Greg

      I don’t blame CC for that. Gardner should have either gotten it or not knocked it into the stands.

      • WhittakerWalt

        Counting on your outfielder to make an outstanding play-of-the-year type play to bail you out is asking for quite a lot.

        • Dalek Jeter

          Greg holds Gardner to some ridiculous Willie Mays+Ricky Henderson like standard.

          • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting)

            he does

          • The Real Greg

            Johnny Damon on offense expectations.

            And a Gold Glove defender

            • Dalek Jeter

              That’s basically a Hall of Famer. That’s a ridiculous expectation.

              • The Real Greg

                I should add though, I don’t expect the power from Gardner that Damon had.

                • Dalek Jeter

                  It’s still ridiculous to expect borderline Hall of Fame play from any player except for those who are future HOF or borderline guys (Robby, Miguel, Tulo, Cargo, ect.)

      • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting)

        It would have taken an incredible play to catch it.
        If he hadn’t touched it, it would still have been at least a 3-run double (and possibly a Grand Slam anyways)

      • WhittakerWalt

        Aren’t you the same guy who says if our pitcher doesn’t hold the opposition to 2 runs then he’s failed? Keep your stories straight.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          To be fair, he hasn’t told you how he thought CC did overall. He’s just doing the “assign blame” thing.

          • The Real Greg

            Looking at the innings, I think he did pretty well.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      I agree with him, though. It was one bad pitch.

      • WhittakerWalt

        Yeah but he made the pitch. Don’t we always say that it all counts?

        • Robinson Tilapia

          Right, but I’m still not going to put more amount of weight at a bad, but well-intended, pitch thrown at an inopportune time. I thought he looked good for the grand majority of the game.

          • WhittakerWalt

            Two thinks:

            1. I think the fact that we came back to win is giving people a lot more positive feelings about CC’s outing, even though the one has nothing to do with the other.

            2. I think the fact that it’s CC means people give him more slack because CC’s just so likable. I bet if it had been Hughes and he’d given up the exact same amount of runs and exact same hit, many fewer people would be going with the “eh, those were fluky runs” explanation.

            • Robinson Tilapia

              I think you’re just as guilty at looking at the box score there, though, than the “two runs in blah innings blah blah quality start blah” folks by saying that, though.

              I thought he had better command. I thought that, while it wasn’t vintage CC, if that even exists anymore, he did get that fastball by a few times. I also do give him a ton of slack when he gives the team distance – guilty as charged there. Not going to show up in the box score.

              • WhittakerWalt

                It’s just that we’re basically saying if the ball had gone a foot further then it would have been a “legitimate” homer but as it stands this one really wasn’t. A foot, which probably translates to a micrometer different pitch location. I just don’t think that adds up to “he pitched very well.”

  • nsalem

    Forcing an inexperienced pitcher to try to pick up a bunt at the beginning of a game and try to make a play on one of two very speedy runners isn’t the worst idea in the world. There could have many good outcomes from such a scenario. Rookie’s are often error prone. I don’t know anything about Archer’s fielding skills, but most likely Girardi does.

    • Dalek Jeter

      I just think it’s a bad idea to give a guy who averages 5+ BB per 9 free outs. Make him throw pitches and get you out.

      • nsalem

        I don’t believe in giving away outs either. Maybe he’s a terrible fielder and they were creating a situation where they could force an error. Maybe Ichiro didn’t think he could pull his fastball and
        advance him on a grounder to the right side and felt more comfortable bunting then going to left field.

  • Dalek Jeter

    “Ichiro back on the track, it hit wall. One bounce.”-John Sterling

  • JobaWockeeZ

    Fly balls, fly balls everywhere. Hope we have a quick hook today.

  • Eddard

    Nova needs to throw that breaking ball more with 2 strikes. Not that FB he threw to Molina. Phil Hughes should be taking notes on how to finish hitters with that curve.

  • RetroRob

    Sunscreen Day? Are we at that level now?

    How about Flat-Screen TV Day? Come on Panasonic. Step up to the plate.

    • Pat D

      I’m going on August 9th against the Tigers. Apparently it’s Budweiser Mug Night. Hope I’m one of the first 18,000!

  • The Real Greg

    Weird that it seems that when Jose Molina left the Yankees he became a slightly better hitter

    .249/.305/.370 with 18 homers and 67 RBI’s in the 4 seasons after leaving the Bronx.

    • The Real Greg

      And a oWAR of 3 added up through the last 4 years.

      • JobaWockeeZ

        His defense declined just as equally though.

  • Pat D

    That inning summed up Nova pretty good. Two really good strikeouts, wiped out the guys with breaking balls, then gives up two deep fly balls.

    • Bo Knows

      which is funny considering his fastballs have good movement, and he has strong GB%.

      His command (specifically fastball command) is just shit

      • Mikhel

        I would not dare to say he has command on the fastball, most of the time he seems to just throw it to see what will happen.

        I would rather have Chien Ming Wang pitch this game instead of Nova, but then again, the Yankees “didn’t need” him.

        • Pat D

          Will you say this in two weeks if Wang gets destroyed in his next few starts?

        • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting)

          There is probably no scenario where Wang would be pitching this game instead of Nova.
          He either would have been the long man in the pen, already in the rotation, or in Toronto.

  • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting)

    Smart slide…lol.

  • nycsportzfan

    nice barehanded play by robbie on the knubber.

  • Eddard

    Well I’ve seen enough. Nova should take Phil Hughes’s spot in the rotation effective immediately. With as much as Nova struggled earlier this year his ERA is now 4.91 , well below Hughes’s 5.09. Nova just has a better put away pitch than Hughes who has none.

    • Pat D

      Headed back to Eddard World.

    • Mikhel

      I am not sure if I want anyone of those two in a big game needing a win.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        BGIN!

    • Rolling Doughnut

      Until the fifth inning supernova proves you wrong.

  • The Real Greg

    Stewie’s starting to falter offensively, probably expectedly.

  • Pat D

    I think I saw earlier today that 2008 had the most attendees for OTD. Being that I knew that was the last in YS2, I put in a Word doc who attended.

    Damn, that was an impressive collection. Some of whom have since, sadly, passed on.

    • Kramerica Industries

      As much as we rip on ESPN for their shoddy baseball coverage, I think we all need to remember what they did on 9/21/2008 and give them serious credit for it.

      They handled the closing of Yankee Stadium beautifully.

      • Pat D

        Indeed. That clip with Yogi narrating always brings tears to my eyes.

  • nycsportzfan

    Gardy is nasty!

  • SDB

    GARDY!

  • Pat D

    Shit, Gardner would have had a triple if that bounced off the wall.

    • Jimmy

      He was 4-5 steps from 2nd already when it went over the wall.

  • Anderson Silva

    bad luck.. that was a sure triple

  • RetroRob

    Ball is totally carrying out to right and center today. No excuse for Balboni, though!

  • nycsportzfan

    I remember when blow sox went hard for Bern during 98 FA period. Never doubted he’d be back.

  • RetroRob

    Should have sacrificed!

  • The Real Greg

    With 2 outs, I don’t know why Maddon’s walking him.

    • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting)

      Runs count the same with 2 outs as with fewer outs.
      It probably makes more sense with 2 outs than otherwise, as there is less chance of creating a big inning.

      • The Real Greg

        It’s kind of like walking the 8th hitter to get to the pitcher. You want Hafner leading off the next inning. And Cano is still not on one of his really hot streaks

        • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting)

          Walking Cano is nothing like walking the 8 hitter.

          • JobaWockeeZ

            Yeah I don’t know what I just read there.

  • Anderson Silva

    Hafner needs to step up big time.

  • Jimmy

    Willie Randolph in the booth. One of my all-time favorites.

  • Pat D

    Just remember, according to Bill James, Willie Randolph was a better player than Bill Mazeroski.

    And a few other HOF second basemen.

    • RetroRob

      It’s better to be recognized as being the best at one specific skill than being good to very good across a number of skills. Maz may have been the best defensive 2B’man ever, but Randolph delivered more overall value. An underrated player.

      • Pat D

        Exactly. But in James’ New Historical Baseball Abstract published after the 2000 season (I’d love to see an update to that), he did a breakdown between what was more valuable: Randolph’s ability to take a walk against Mazeroski’s ability to turn the DP.

        He concluded that the walks led to more runs for Randolph’s teams than Maz’s DP’s saved for his.

    • Jimmy

      Willie is a very underrated player. Great career.

    • Dalek Jeter

      He does have more fWAR. (12th all time, 63.8)

    • WhittakerWalt

      He definitely was.

  • Pat D

    Willie’s wrong. Only 6 ASG. The last one was in 1989, after he left the Yankees and joined the Dodgers.

    Interestingly enough, the guy who he replaced with the Dodgers and replaced him with the Yankees, Steve Sax, also made the 1989 ASG.

    • Jimmy

      How can Willie talk about the greatest players he ever played with and not even mention Mattingly or Winfield. You can argue Henderson, but those guys have to be in the conversation.

      • Dalek Jeter

        You apparently weren’t here last week when we were talking about “most overrated Yankee,” both those guys were on the list.

        • Jimmy

          You’re kidding me, right?

          • Pat D

            I started that discussion. I was saying Mattingly out of a combination of jealousy (always liked Winfield better, hate how he’s not held in the same esteem in Yankee-land) and that they never actually won anything during Mattingly’s time.

          • Dalek Jeter

            Well when put in the conversation with all time greats like Joe D, Mick, Yogi, Babe, Lou, ect it’s sort of understandable.

        • WhittakerWalt

          Mattingly is pretty overrated, unfortunately. He was incredibly awesome for a few years, then barely even replacement level for the rest of his career. Most of us prefer to remember him at his best and act like that’s who he was for his whole career.

          • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting)

            Barely even replacement level?
            That’s a bit skewed.

            • Pat D

              Averaged 1.5 bWAR from ’90-’95.

              • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting)

                Right. That’s closer to average than replacement level.
                And really, he was bad in 1990 and 1995, but mostly solid in between. (2.35 bWAR average 1991-94)

                • WhittakerWalt

                  Solid is not good enough to make you an all-time great, though. Not if you’re a first baseman.

            • Dalek Jeter

              Well apart from his 6year peak from ’83-89 his highest fWAR is 2.9

              • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting)

                That’s considerably above replacement level.
                Really only in 1990 and 1995 was he close to replacement level (slightly below in both years).

          • Pat D

            He basically had 4 very good/great years, 2 good years, and a lot of mediocre ones to finish his career.

            It was the back problems, of course, but it does end up being a case of very short peak and not a ton of longevity.

            I was surprised to see that BRef rates him negatively on defense, too. Same with Winfield.

            • WhittakerWalt

              I don’t know how they could possibly rate him negatively on defense. I still don’t believe defensive metrics are accurate.

      • Pat D

        I think he was just putting over Rickey more than anything else.

        And Rickey WAS better overall than Mattingly and Winfield.

        • Jimmy

          Not for the Yankees he wasn’t. Career-wise, I can’t argue. Henderson had some great moments with the Yankees but he wasn’t Don Mattingly.

          • Pat D

            Well, yea. Henderson actually had better WAR than Mattingly in 1985, FWIW.

            • Jimmy

              Agreed. But in ’86 Mattingly 7.2 to Henderson’s 6.2 and in ’87 it was 5.1 to 4.7. Granted Henderson went nuts in ’85 at 9.9 to 6.7 an ’88 6.3 to 3.8. Can we agree they were both great?

              I have to grant you that I din’t realize what a monster year Henderson had in ’85. That must have been a horrible pitching staff that year between Rickey, Winfield and Mattingly.

              • Pat D

                Guidry and pretty much the entire bullpen was great. The rest of the rotation was league-average (Phil Niekro, Joe Cowley, Dennis Rasmussen) or worse (Eddie Whitson).

                But they might have lost the division simply by giving 11 combined starts to Marty Bystrom and Joe Niekro. They both pitched to ERA’s between 5.50 and 6.00.

                Remember they were only 2 games behind Toronto at the end of the year.

  • Eddard

    I just don’t know how anyone can argue that Hughes is a better option than Nova at this point. Nova has put away pitches. People commented that he gave up a couple deep fly balls. That’s all Hughes does is give up fly balls. This isn’t a competition between Nova and Whitey Ford. It’s Nova against Hughes and Nova is the better pitcher right now.

    • mustang (The Has Been & Wannabes Bunch 2013)

      Its like 4 innings dude.

    • WhittakerWalt

      They’re both crap.

  • nsalem

    Surprised Willie conceded that the 98 Yankee’s were better than the 78 team. if you go position by position you have a lot of interesting conversation.

    • Dalek Jeter

      IMO the ’98 Yankees are one of those few teams that transcends numbers and individual play and should be looked at as a team.

    • JobaWockeeZ

      You probably could but at the end of the day it’s still 114 wins vs 100.

    • Pat D

      The ’98 Yankees definitely had better overall pitching.

  • Pat D

    My guess: DiMaggio, Mantle, Yogi, Rizzuto, Johnny Mize.

  • JobaWockeeZ

    Oh you suck YES.

  • Robinson Tilapia

    My son wakes up from his nap, runs out, looks at TV playing Yanks – “BOOM!”

    • Jimmy

      He means too many homers.

  • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting)

    npoh

  • JobaWockeeZ

    But yay Zolio.

  • mustang (The Has Been & Wannabes Bunch 2013)

    Z train just keeps on moving.

  • WhittakerWalt

    Future Hall of Famer Chris Archer mowing them down.

  • Dalek Jeter

    Come on baseball player time to do something to help the team win, like you every game except the last two and most other games this season

    • mustang (The Has Been & Wannabes Bunch 2013)

      that’s what a “baseball player” does.

      • mustang (The Has Been & Wannabes Bunch 2013)

        lol

  • Dalek Jeter

    Dude walks everybody, what are you doing swinging at a 2-0 that isn’t right down the middle?!

  • nsalem

    Winfield, Henderson and Mattingly’s lifetime OPS’ are all practically the same between .827 and .830

    • Pat D

      Winfield has a very slight advantage in OPS+.

    • Dalek Jeter

      Mattingly and Henderson>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Winfield, defensively.

      Henderson>>>>>>>>(infinity) Winfield, and Mattingly, baserunning.

      • Pat D

        BRef dWAR numbers:

        Henderson, -3.4
        Mattingly, -6.8
        Winfield, -23.7

        I guess Winfield’s arm won him all those GG’s.

        • Jimmy

          Winfield had a cannon arm in case you never saw the guy play. I saw him once throw a strike to home plate from ~20 ft from the warning track. Barely any arc, 2nd base could have cut it off..

          • Pat D

            Winfield is my favorite all-time player, so, yea, I know about his arm. But that dWAR number implies he didn’t turn many balls into outs.

            • Jimmy

              Didn’t realize he was your favorite all-time player, sorry if I sounded condescending. Well chosen. I was a Mattingly guy, but you can’t go wrong with the contributions from Winfield. Conceded that he was more consistently great of the two.

        • Dalek Jeter

          Fangraphs fld’ing metric

          Mattingly: 32
          Henderson: 63
          Winfield: -93

          • Pat D

            Interesting. It would be so nice if we could develop one universal defensive metric.

  • trr

    David AAA-dams!

  • SDB

    Adams. Sigh.

    • nycsportzfan

      that followed by Nova walking Jose Molina to start the top 5th. Double ugh!

  • Anderson Silva

    Nix, Adams and Stewart might be a worse bottom of the lineup than most NL teams

  • WhittakerWalt

    So we have one walk off a guy who walks almost 7 per 9. Fuck.

    • The Real Greg

      His K/B ratio is 41/23 in this game.

  • Eddard

    I’d move Zolio up to that 2 hole. He’s got all those lightweights hitting behind him.

    • mustang (The Has Been & Wannabes Bunch 2013)

      Has it even been 2 weeks?

      Dude your making it too easy.

  • The Real Greg

    SO two pitchers with great stuff who have struggled were wild early and have settled down.

  • trr

    He’s slow as shit down the line , too!
    God give me strength

  • Anderson Silva

    5th inning is implosion time from Nova. 5 pitch walk to Molina is a good start

    • mustang (The Has Been & Wannabes Bunch 2013)

      Probably not it looks like good Nova is on while evil Nova is still in AAA.

      • Anderson Silva

        so far so good. I really hope you are right!

  • nycsportzfan

    Fucking filthy by Nova to K joyce! Wowsers!

  • nycsportzfan

    Tip your cap to jennings for that hit. Nova was pitching him great.

    • The Real Greg

      Indeed

  • Anderson Silva

    why the hell are they holding Molina close like that?

  • nycsportzfan

    Nova has ACE stuff today. Simply disgustingly nasty!

  • Cy Pettitte

    Can’t remember seeing Nova’s curve look better than it has today

    • mustang (The Has Been & Wannabes Bunch 2013)

      I seen it. This is like fool’s gold all i see is trade value going up.

  • Anderson Silva

    filthy! his stuff is simply nasty. It’s a shame that he can’t locate his FB consistently

  • Eddard

    7Ks , 1 ER through 5. Rotation going forward-

    6/25 – Kuroda
    6/26 – Andy
    6/27 – BGDP
    6/28 – CC
    6/29 – Nova

  • Dalek Jeter

    Hmm…Pineda’s probably a month away and by all accounts has looked pretty good in the minors. Maybe it wouldn’t be the worst idea to stick Hughes in the Pen and let Nova audition for a role as a starter until Pineda gets back….If Nova shits the bed, it won’t be much worse than what Hughes has done the last month and a half, and then we give his spot to Pineda. If he’s good, that’s a good problem to have and we’ll cross that bridge when we come to it?

  • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting)

    wtp

  • Jersey Joe

    I wonder if Z-Train has a remote chance of AL ROY. Nick Franklin and Leonys Martin are the two rookies with solid seasons so far. If ZTrain can stay on track (Pun completely intended), at least for the next 2 weeks, we might have us a rookie of the year.

    • Dalek Jeter

      Dude, relax, it’s been 3 days.

      • WhittakerWalt

        I already bought my tickets for the Zoilo’s Number Retirement Ceremony.

        • Dalek Jeter

          Heh, I’m thinking about going up to Cooperstown for the Induction Ceremony. I mean I think it’ll be worth it because Phelps and Mustlier might be there that year as well.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          I want to be there when he rides a horse around the outfield.

      • mustang (The Has Been & Wannabes Bunch 2013)

        can I go?

  • Anderson Silva

    is it at all possible to see JR Murphy in the show this season?

    • RetroRob

      Possible? Sure. He’s their AAA catcher. He’s a phone call away. He’s not on their 40-man roster and they no doubt want his development to continue, so it would take something bad for it to happen, but it is possible.

    • trr

      IMO, they will not promote him, unless further injuries leave no other choice

  • WhittakerWalt

    OFFENSE PLEASE

  • nycsportzfan

    Its amazaing that ichiro had the career he did with this swing.

    • nycsportzfan

      Speed is the answer(to answer myself..lol)

    • Jersey Joe

      Yeah seriously. To be honest, I feel like he should be more focused on making good contact with the ball at this point instead of trying to beat out infield grounders. He doesn’t have the speed he used to have, so taking away his “advantage” might not be such a big deal.

      • nycsportzfan

        I think his speed is his only asset left. He must use it as much as possible.

  • The Real Greg

    Archer knows that this lineup has little pop so he can go right at them and it is reflected in his K/B ratio 46/28

  • mustang (The Has Been & Wannabes Bunch 2013)

    I so happy that I’m over the Hughes/Nova one game pipe dream these guys do this all the time and then the evil side comes out and it piss you off.

    Thank you Mr. Nova for the nice game and raising your trade value have a nice day.

    • Anderson Silva

      hey, he’s still relatively young that figuring things out is a distinct possibility

      • mustang (The Has Been & Wannabes Bunch 2013)

        Ok, I can live with this

    • Winter

      MLB GMs aren’t idiots. If you can figure out this game is a fluke, so can they. It has very little impact on his trade value.

    • Eddard

      Yeah, let’s keep Hughes and his 5.09 ERA instead. Great thinking. Nova is clearly the better pitcher right now. Again, this isn’t a competition between Nova and Whitey Ford. It’s whether or not Nova can pitch better than a 5.09 ERA and give us a better chance to win ballgames. He can and he’s doing it today.

      • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting)

        Nova has a 5.40 ERA as a starter this year. Including today.

        • mustang (The Has Been & Wannabes Bunch 2013)

          Shhhhhhhhh….. Don’t tell him that he trying so hard.

        • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting)

          5.16 now. So now he’s almost been as good bad as Hughes as a starter this year.

      • mustang (The Has Been & Wannabes Bunch 2013)

        No one saying that, BUT over time they are the same thing and if you don’t know that by now then I’m wasting my time tell you.

  • Rolling Doughnut

    Great to see five strong innings from Nova.

  • Jersey Joe

    As far as trade deadline goes, who are the sellers besides the obvious teams (Astros, Cubs, Twins, Mariners, Marlins, etc.).

    • Pat D

      Mets are obvious.

      Other teams that look like they should sell are Phillies, Brewers, White Sox.

      Still hard to read the Angels, Royals, Indians, Dodgers, Padres and Rockies.

  • The Real Greg

    He was COMPLETELY FOOLED

  • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting)

    Not down the middle enough?

  • nycsportzfan

    Cano looks blind at bat these days.

  • Dalek Jeter

    Robbie, that was right down the middle according to Gameday, WTF?!

  • Eddard

    Not sure what Robbie was looking for there. He’s fought off better pitches today.

  • The Real Greg

    I guess Cano like everybody on here looked at that walk ratio and thought he would go wild.

  • BigBlueAL

    Cano took 2 fastballs right down the middle that at-bat and both times acted like he thought the pitch was going to hit him in the leg. WTF??

  • Anderson Silva

    couldn’t be anymore down the middle. This shitty version of Cano needs to go right now

  • yourmom

    Right down the frickin pipe Robbie.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      TWSS?

  • The Real Greg

    Rays pulling out that BaBIP stick again

    • yourmom

      2 weak-shit ground balls get through. Of course.

      • Rolling Doughnut

        Myers’ single looked pretty hard hit. And Longoria’s out was also well struck. What’s the Rays BABIP?

        • JobaWockeeZ

          .291 which is 20th in the league.

      • nsalem

        Wouldn’t call Myers hit weak shit.

  • Anderson Silva

    fuck.. this is probably the game if they score. Not looking good

  • The Real Greg

    Pen is going to be warming right now

  • Dalek Jeter

    Bullpen after this batter regardless of outcome please?

    • The Real Greg

      My guess is batter to batter in the 7th.

  • The Real Greg

    Cano trusting the non speed of Molina

  • yourmom

    Good job Nova!

  • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting)

    lmao at Cano trolling Molina.

    Nice job Ivan.

  • WhittakerWalt

    Nitpick time:
    Ivan Nova’s name is pronounced “EYE-ven Nova” not “ee-VONN Nova.” I know this because Nova recorded a radio spot where he says his name. So why does every Yankee announcer mispronounce it? I would think Nova knows how to pronounce his own name.

    • Dalek Jeter

      Because “ee-VONN” sounds hispanic and “EYE-ven” sounds eastern European, and playing on stereotypes their brains subconsciously tell them it’s pronounced “ee-VONN.”

  • Eddard

    No implosion. He’s a different pitcher. Hughes would have us down 5-1. I just don’t see how they can send him back down now.

  • nycsportzfan

    Feeewww! Funny how cano played that..lol Smart also.

  • Anderson Silva

    very fucking nice!

  • Rolling Doughnut

    Thought the wheels were going to come off there. Way to go Nova.

  • WhittakerWalt

    “And he hit a batter. He grazed David Wright…Adams…Jayson Nix.”

  • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting)

    Zoilo is raking!

  • Eddard

    I’ll say it again, Zolio should be in that 2 hole. Now these lightweights are going to waste another one of his doubles.

  • yourmom

    Zoh-lee-ohhhhhh!!

  • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

    Almonte likes the major leagues.

  • Dalek Jeter

    Zoilo!!!!!!!!!

  • Rolling Doughnut

    Zoilo!

  • mustang (The Has Been & Wannabes Bunch 2013)

    ALL ON THE Z- TRAIN !!!

    • mustang (The Has Been & Wannabes Bunch 2013)

      Nix fucking up the ride.

  • JobaWockeeZ

    Slot this guy in for a spot in future old timer days.

  • ZoiloISGod

    Unbelievable

  • yourmom

    well, shit.

  • WhittakerWalt

    Why do these moron announcers act as if this pitching performance by Archer is indicative of his true talent. ANYONE can pitch well against this lineup. Dillon Gee? Jeremy Bonderman?

    • The Real Greg

      Given the Rays history of producing pitchers and the fact that he was the second rated prospect in the system, you can say that.

      • WhittakerWalt

        It just seems that every garbage pitcher in the world rights the ship when facing our lineup.

  • Anderson Silva

    It’s terrible ABs after terrible ABs. It will be a minor miracle if they can score again.

  • The Real Greg

    I would move him past Overbay right now. I don’t a rookie hitting cleanup.

  • nycsportzfan

    God damn it! Can any of these washed up vets get a hit? Zoilo and Gardner have all our offense just about today! Someones gotta step up with the youngsters on Old Timers Day!!!lol

    • Dalek Jeter

      “washed up” infers that guys like Overbay, Nix, Stewart were ever good.

      • The Real Greg

        Overbay was a good player with the Blue Jays.

        Stewart and Nix, no.

      • nycsportzfan

        Overbay, Hafner, Ichiro, are all good career hitters for most part. Really just meant the “vets” in general though. We need a older soldier to step up!

        • Dalek Jeter

          Pronk and Ichiro I’ll give you, Overbay, at least for a first baseman was never really “good” with the exception of a 3 year period from 2004-2006. I’m not saying he was “bad” just that at his best he was “average.”

  • The Real Greg

    If McGee is going to pitch, I would PH Wells for Stewart

    • yourmom

      That’s probably what the binder says.

  • yourmom

    2 for 1?

  • Wheels

    ouch

  • BigBlueAL

    With the talk in the booth about the young SP’s, any word lately on Banuelos??

  • nycsportzfan

    If Nova can get outta this and have gone 7inn of 1er, hes in the rotation. The stuff he had today was ace like.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      It’s one start.

      • mustang (The Has Been & Wannabes Bunch 2013)

        Give up I try already.

      • nycsportzfan

        Ya this yr. There obviously gonna remember some of his other stellar starts as well in his career. They just wanted a reminder. I’m not saying its right or wrong.

  • The Real Greg

    DAMMIT NOVA

  • mustang (The Has Been & Wannabes Bunch 2013)

    Nice game Sir.

  • yourmom

    0-2 HBP. Frustrating. Oh well, Kelley to the rescue.

  • Eddard

    That last HBP notwithstanding, Nova pitched a gem and deserves to stay in the rotation. I’d ride the hot hand in Nova until Pineda is ready to return. Hughes to the pen to take Joba’s innings.

    • mustang (The Has Been & Wannabes Bunch 2013)

      Really I never would guess that you would be thinking this.

    • WhittakerWalt

      12 baserunners in 6.2 innings is your idea of a gem?

  • Pat D

    Nova did about all you could ask for, excepting those last two hitters.

    Did I miss another impersonator?

    • Dalek Jeter

      yup

    • mustang (The Has Been & Wannabes Bunch 2013)

      Nope

      • Pat D

        Oh, good.

    • nycsportzfan

      First game he went more then 5 inn as well in 2013.

  • Anderson Silva

    can’t do that at 0-2 with Longoria on deck. Bad Nova there.

    Great start though. Good job

  • TomH

    Jays 13-5 today over the O’s. During the off-season, I received some sneering comments for calling them the creme de la creme of the AL East. Perhaps a bit hyperbolic. But it’s looking like only a “bit” at the moment.

    Thank God, the Yanks don’t play them until August, when they may have a more Yankee-like roster. If they played them this week, there would need to be buckets and sponges galore, to soak up Yankee blood.

    • Pat D

      The Yankees have been able to score off them this year, so there’s that.

    • Eddard

      They’re a good team. Not sure why anyone would say any different. Hot right now but will eventually cool off. Rays will have their hands full against them this week.

  • The Real Greg

    A cookie is now on the line

  • yourmom

    I’d rather face Loney here anyways. LNOGY in.

  • Eddard

    It’s all up to the LOOGY now. He needs to do his sole job and keep this game tied.

    • nycsportzfan

      I’m ridicuously nervous!

  • nsalem

    doessnt the binder say Loney is hitting lefties much better than righties this year

    • Anderson Silva

      must pitch a lefty against a LHB at all times

      • nsalem

        really?

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      Loney’s career performance is far more relevant than 70 PA this year.

      • nsalem

        Does a change in approach have any sort of relevancy?

  • Frank

    Nothing like a 2 out, nobody meltdown. And Logan is the last person I want to see.

  • Dalek Jeter

    I’m still pretty sure that Sterling just makes everything up except for the pitcher, hitter, and whether it’s a ball or a strike.

  • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting)

    Fuck Boone.

  • Wheels

    Damn

  • Pat D

    Motherfucker.

  • yourmom

    Fucking A!!!!

  • fabricio

    wow logan good job leaving it up in the zone

  • The Real Greg

    FAILURE.

    Have to blame on Nova for hitting those 2 batters.

  • nycsportzfan

    Fucking loser logan!

  • Frank

    Fuckin Logan. What a surprise.

  • Eddard

    Such a bad pitch. And of course Boone’s ERA won’t be affected at all. He’s the Luis Ayala of this season.

  • Pat D

    I know he hesitated to see if Nix would catch the ball, but Loney kind of pimped that hit.

    • yourmom

      I would’ve pimped it too. Because I know that’s most likely game against our offense.

  • Cy Pettitte

    Joba in to put this game completely out of reach

    • mustang (The Has Been & Wannabes Bunch 2013)

      Its your positive spin that I love most.

  • Dalek Jeter

    No cookies for you Boone!!

    FUCK.

    Suzyn just said Loney is hitting .353 against LHP this year. Great job w/ the match ups there Joe.

    • The Real Greg

      I don’t know. Kelley just walked Longoria so I don’t think you could leave him in.

      In the end, Nova should not have hit those two batters. That costs him the game.

    • Pat D

      Mike already discussed this.

  • Rolling Doughnut

    The obligatory cookie from Logan, and now heeeeeere’s Joba!

  • Pasta

    Why is logan still on this team

    • yourmom

      He’s probably gone after this year though.

  • Cy Pettitte

    I like how Coney said Logan was one of the better lefty relievers in the league and then the next pitch Loney smacks up the middle for a 2 run single

    • Wheels

      Yeah, nice timing.

  • mustang (The Has Been & Wannabes Bunch 2013)

    Well, here goes a already shaky game thread.

    • mustang (The Has Been & Wannabes Bunch 2013)

      See below.

      LMAO!!!!

  • teddy

    they need to blow this team up, this team is awful

  • Eddard

    Nova gave us a gem today. The offense and Logan let him down. At least Nova gave us a chance to win. Something Hughes hasn’t done for quite some time.

  • Matt

    Another brilliant managerial decision by Joe Girardi.

    It doesn’t matter that Loney is a guy who hits to all fields, who actually hits lefties even better than righties. It doesn’t matter that Logan is a guy who has bad control and who has been hit harder by lefties than righties this season.

    Just because a lefty is at the plate, he HAS to bring in a lefty pitcher.

    Never mind that lefties are hitting just .196 against Kelley.

    • The Real Greg

      Kelley looked bad against Longoria.

      • Matt

        Umm, he was pitching him carefully with sliders… you have no idea how he would have done against Loney. But what I can tell you is that if I had to choose the pitcher who was most likely to get Loney out, it was a no brainer if the alternative was Boone Logan.

        • The Real Greg

          If Kelley had gotten out Longo, then Girardi wouldn’t have brought in Logan in the first place. Kelley had to know that if Longoria got on, he was going to be pulled.

          • Matt

            That’s ridiculous. Longoria is their best hitter. You don’t just put him on but you don’t just challenge him either. Girardi did not have to bring in Logan, but he chose to do so even though it made absolutely no sense.

            The manager’s job is to put his players in spots in which they can succeed, and he once again completely failed to do that.

            • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

              Totally. Girardi is so stupid for hanging that two-strike slider.

              • Matt

                Which is why lefties are crushing Logan this year. Because he is making those mistake pitches very often. Because he is not very good, and never has been outside of the first season he was here.

                Which is why he never should have been in the game in the first place. Even a terrible pitcher could go up 1-2 on a hitter, but terrible pitchers are terrible precisely because they can’t finish hitters off.

            • The Real Greg

              And Kelley failed. He didn’t bring in Kelley just to walk Longoria. He has to get an out there to avoid Logan.

              • Matt

                No, really? Would you rather he threw Longoria fastballs down the middle and gave up a 3-run HR?

                His goal is to not make a mistake and give up a run. A walk is not ideal but it keeps you in a situation in which you can still escape the inning.

                It made no sense to bring in Logan over Kelley there. It is an indefensible move, unless you throw away every number and argue on blind faith that because he is a lefty pitcher he can get out a lefty hitter.

          • Mikhel

            I am tired of situational pitching, either a pitcher can get ANYONE out, lefties AND righties or they shouldn’t have a place in a roster.

  • Anderson Silva

    once again we are left wondering why have a LOOGY who can’t retire lefties? Only in a Brian Cashman team.

  • The Real Greg

    HE HIT THE BATTERS THOUGH MIKE

  • yourmom

    Whoa, Joba looking extra plump today.

  • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

    Game over. I wouldn’t be surprised if they didn’t put another man on.

  • stuart a

    stats can be misleading ie Logans.

    When is the last time he got a big out??/ 0 an d2, what frigging joke. this also is not hindsight, once Cone spouting bull about 1 of the best lefties before the hit I almost what bananas.

    2 hbp, and a walk… nice. same with Kelly when he starts getting high leverage outs start talking to me…

    disgraceful offense par the course.. like the ichiro bunt in the 1st or the adams DP later on.

    adams have a clue what a offspeed pitch is?????

  • nycsportzfan

    If Joba didn’t suck so often, we’d of went to him over Kelley. Oh well, were still in this thing!

  • Pat D

    Did anyone just see what happened in the Detroit/Boston game?

  • The Real Greg

    Nova deserves every bit of this loss. You can’t hit back to back batters with 2 outs in front of the heart of their order. You can’t do it.

    • ArchStanton

      Not to mention one of those was with 2 strikes!

  • stuart a

    what about suzyn and sterlings love affair with Nix.. the guy is 0 for 8 with the bases loaded. he is decent backup. another guy who leaves the zone and cannot hit an offspeed to save his life.

    cano taking strike 3 right down the middle with a man on 2nd and moving his back leg out of the way like it was inside is the classic AB today…

  • Pat D

    The Yankees start losing and then Matt and stuart show up.

    Come on, guys, don’t be obvious.

    • Matt

      I can post here whenever I want. If you don’t want to comment on it, then skip it over instead of acting like a child. The irony is that people like you are the ones who unravel this place into a bunch of flame wars by attacking people for no reason other than that you disagree with them. Not the so called “trolls” that you think you are policing.

      • Pat D

        I don’t police anything.

        And you have to admit that you only seem to post when things are going bad. A vast majority of your posts are during those times.

        And in case you didn’t notice, I didn’t engage you. I just noticed you posted and commented about it. I didn’t attack your opinions, just that you were here when the score went sour.

        If you think that’s flaming, so be it.

        • Matt

          So what? It doesn’t matter.

          I don’t see any value in coming on here posting a bunch of one line posts when a guy hits a home run. I’d much rather be watching the game myself and enjoying what happened than walking over to my computer.

          You mentioned me by name a few posts below mine and you think you didn’t engage me. Hello?

          • Pat D

            I don’t want to get in a stupid pissing match with you. My point is that you don’t seem to come on here and post anything after wins. I honestly don’t remember seeing you post except during losses. OK? Just a personal observation.

            To me engaging someone means directly replying to a post that person makes. Again, if that’s your definition of engaging, fine, so be it.

            Don’t think that I’m trying to say you’re not entitled to enjoy the game however you want. I just wish you’d show up during wins so you don’t give off this impression that you just show up to bitch and say different variations of “This player sucks,” “Girardi made a bad move,” whatever.

            You’ve said your piece, I’ve said mine. How about we agree to just go ahead and ignore each other for the sake of everyone, OK?

  • Dick M

    Logan’s awful. Lefties hitting .280 off of him this year. That’s ridiculous for a loogy.

    • stuart a

      ask david cone he is 1 of the best lefty relievers in baseball. I like COne can’t believe that comment…

  • stuart a

    of course I bitch when they lose. why would that be a shocker…

    also scoring 1 run does not help…

    also giving up 2 runs on 2 hbp, a walk, and a single on a 0 and 2 count, should I applaud that effort???

    • Pat D

      It’s not shocking, just annoying.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      You show up when they lose, but at least I know you know your baseball when I read your comments. You’re also not here to try to start some bullshit pissing contest.

  • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

    The sad thing is, most of the time I’d regret saying game over too early and write it off as a quick emotional reaction.

    This time? No, I really think this game might as well be finished with a two run lead.

  • The Real Greg

    And here come the trolls. What a brilliant 2 hours this has become

    • mustang (The Has Been & Wannabes Bunch 2013)

      Yes Sir

  • nycsportzfan

    Stop trying to pull everything Adams!

  • Anderson Silva

    that was one of the worse breaking balls ever, unfortunately he was pitching to Adams. He’s terrible

  • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting)

    Lol Kay, that wasn’t even close.

  • Cy Pettitte

    Cashman should look into getting Scott Downs or maybe JP Howell at the deadline

    • Pat D

      Nah.

  • stuart a

    no clue on anything but a fastball. absolutely no clue…

  • nycsportzfan

    Freaking Ibanez just cranked his 16th.

    • Pat D

      That’s the only worthwhile thing he’s done this year. Still hitting about .235 with a sub-.300 OBP.

  • Dalek Jeter

    I know Nova hit a few guys, and Logan allowed a hit to a LHH, but this game (if we lose) is on the offense. 1 run, 6 hits, and what 1 Walk(?) against across 6IP against a guy who goes an average of 5 innings and regularly walks 3+ guys over those 5 IP? Apart from Gardner and Zolio the team has 2 hits(!)

    • The Real Greg

      I understand that but you can’t hit 2 batters with 2 outs prior to the meat of their order.

      And if Kelley doesn’t walk Longo, then Logan doesn’t come in in the first place.

      • Mikhel

        …and if they weren’t playing today, it wouldn’t have happened.

        • The Real Greg

          That makes no sense.

          If the pitchers do their damn job, then he’s not put in that situation

          • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting)

            So it the other pitchers do their job, Logan doesn’t have to do his job.

            Got it.

            Logan could also do his job, too.
            If Logan did his job, what the other pitchers did wouldn’t have mattered.

  • The Real Greg

    So even the best lineup they put out there can look like crap. Ladies and Gentlemen, Brian Cashman’s folly, for relying too much on old players.

    • nsalem

      Is this game over yet? Were the older players good enough the last 3 years when they were winning 95 games a year?

      • The Real Greg

        Right. And Cashman went to the well once too often. And is paying for it.

  • Mick taylor

    Nix just sucks How many times this year has he come up like today with runners in scoring position and a chance to go ahead and he fails. He is also a shit fielder with no range. That ball by money should have been cauught

    • Pat D

      Please go exile yourself on Main St.

      • Jimmy

        Eh, he’s just Happy to get his Rocks Off.

  • Mikhel

    I heard something different, it seems Chiba Lotte’s offer is way bigger than any serious offer in the US.

    • Mikhel

      What the heck?! i was trying to reply a post and got this LOL

      • Pat D

        The original post was probably deleted.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

          Some degenerate is going around stealing handles, so I’ve had to delete a bunch of comments.

          • Pat D

            I commend your efforts. The boards have been a much nicer place the last few weeks.

  • nycsportzfan

    If i was mcgee, i’d throw away away away to Ichiro.

  • Frank

    Unlike Neal, Adams benefitting from the fact there is no one else to play 3B. Otherwise, his ass would be shipped out. He looks overmatched.

  • The Real Greg

    And of course the Yankees hit the ball hard and they don’t fall in. Typical BaBIP Yankee hate

  • Anderson Silva

    down 2 with 2 innings to go and Gardner doesn’t bat again. Game over.

    • The Real Greg

      Correct. Because this offense sucks. It’s amazing that you can’t grasp this and accept it.

  • Bo Knows

    Get off you fuckin high horse, if “buying” a team was so easy then the Angels, Dodgers, Nationals, RedSox (prior to the Dodgers saving them), Cubs, Mets, Phillies, Miami, Blue Jays and a shit ton of other teams should be leagues better than what they are. Also what is “bought” is it only money? Do trades also count? Because the vast majority of the players in this league were used as currency to bring others, just as much there have been guys who have gone to FA.

    • Bo Knows

      this was meant for nycsportsfan

      • Pat D

        That wasn’t nycsportz, it was an imposter. It was also deleted.

        • Bo Knows

          then my apologies to the real nycsportz

          also I was typing this when it must have been deleted so I would not have known

          • Pat D

            Gotcha.

  • Rolling Doughnut

    For a really sweet bullpen fail, go over to the Sox-Tigers game.

    • Dalek Jeter

      god I hope we find a way to come back!

    • Pat D

      Should have seen the first play. Fly ball to Nava in right. He catches it, then drops the ball transferring it to his hand. The umpires ruled that he didn’t catch it. If you see the replay, you’ll probably agree that it was a terrible call.

  • Bryan

    Did I miss something? When did the RAB comments section become equivalent to the ESPN Yankees forum in regards to incredibly stupid comments and absurd hyperbole?

    • Pat D

      Depends on what specifically you’re referring to?

  • The Real Greg

    This division is really mediocre right now, and the Blue Jays are taking advantage.

    • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting)

      If by mediocre, you mean toughest in baseball, then yes.

      • The Real Greg

        I mean the division has allowed the Blue Jays to win 10 in a row to crawl back into it.

        • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting)

          8 of the 10 (11 now) wins came against non-division teams. How did the division cause/allow that?

          • The Real Greg

            By not taking care of their own business so that those wins would not gain any ground.

            • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting)

              In what world is an 11-game win streak not going to gain any ground?

              • The Real Greg

                1998 AL East
                1984 AL East
                2001 AL West

                But seriously, it’s going to gain some ground but not the amount it should have if all these teams are playing well.

        • TomH

          You have this completely backwards. Everyone in the baseball business except a majority of RAB posters knew the Jays had made a potentially season-changing trade. It took them 2-2 1/2 mos. to jell, and now they have. If their pitching comes around, it’s not out of the question that they could ice the AL East by mid-September.

          • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting)

            Everyone in the baseball business except a majority of RAB posters knew the Jays had made a potentially season-changing trade.

            This is completely untrue. The majority of posters realized it. The majority of posters also understand that potentially doesn’t mean definitely.

            And that is still in question.

          • The Real Greg

            The 2012 Marlins say hello

          • Jim Is (not) Bored

            TomH is BACK everyone! Resident Jays fan is pretty excited right now.

      • Matt

        Only because there are no bad teams. It doesn’t mean that any of them are very good though.

        If the Yankees had their full lineup together, I’m pretty sure they’d be doing just what Toronto is doing right now. There is no real powerhouse in the AL East right now. If the Yankees were hitting like they did in April, they’d be running away with this.

        • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting)

          Going into today the first place team had a better record than every first place team but the NL Central. And they have no sub-500 teams. How is that mediocre?

          • Matt

            Comparing records across divisions makes no sense with an unbalanced schedule. Boston might be the 4th best team in the AL right now behind Detroit, Texas, and Oakland. Each of the teams in the AL East has crippling flaws right now.

            • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting)

              They do. So do most other teams. It’s easier to compile a better record with weak teams in the division (like every non-AL East division. That makes the accomplishments of the AL East teams even more impressive (and completely non-mediocre).
              That Detroit, Texas, and Oakland all have worse records despite playing in weaker divisions is a pretty good indication they haven’t been better than Boston. Obviously that can change. (Detroit has definitely underachieved so far).

              • Matt

                The AL Central is weak, but the AL West has the Angels, who are still tough even though they underachieving, and Seattle, which has a lot of good young players and Felix Hernandez. The AL East may be the toughest division simply because it doesn’t have a Minnesota or Houston to beat up on, but it doesn’t mean that it has the best teams in the league. None of the teams in the AL East is good enough to run away with the division even though most of the teams in it are hovering around .500.

    • Rolling Doughnut

      Want to rethink that one Greg?

  • mustang (The Has Been & Wannabes Bunch 2013)

    Can someone explain to me what’s the pleasure in waiting for the Yankees to be losing and then coming on here and making stupid statements?

    Am I missing something? Why even waste the time?

    • Bo Knows

      because some people have nothing better to do other than be complete bastards, because they have the mental maturity of a small child; while also possessing the sociopathic tendency of getting off on misery.

      • mustang (The Has Been & Wannabes Bunch 2013)

        Thank you Sir.

    • Jim Is (not) Bored

      Or, they’re fans of other teams.

  • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting)

    Can Shoppach or Hernandez really be worse?

  • Anderson Silva

    worst catcher in the league back at it again.

  • yourmom

    Jesus, Romine WTF?

  • Dalek Jeter

    Wow, our defense first catcher. *shakes head*

  • The Real Greg

    Get Murphy up here.

  • yourmom

    Boston down 4-7 in the 9th. Victorino out with a back injury.

  • yourmom

    Need to score here or else it’s the otome of the line-up vs arrow man.

    • yourmom

      *bottom

      Cano you suck!

  • The Real Greg

    HOnestly, Cano.

  • Cy Pettitte

    someone get on so Z can hit a 2 run HR

  • nycsportzfan

    Canos bat is crazy slow right now.

  • Dalek Jeter

    Singles by King Zolio and The Baseball Player followed by a walk off by the Usurper Vernon Wells.

    If you push out positivity into the universe positivity will become you.
    /The Secret’d

    • Pat D

      If you build it, he will come.

  • yourmom

    It’s okay guys. We’re just one runner and one swing away from tying the game. Oh wait, this isn’t the same offense we’ve had the last few years. We’re doomed.

  • The Real Greg

    I know this offense only has scored 1 run, but this game should still be 1-1 right now. So frustrated at Nova because he pitched so well and hit 2 batters to unravel his day.

    And no Paul, you don’t want Logan facing a lefty with the game on the line, which is why the other two had to do their jobs to avoid that situation.

    • Rolling Doughnut

      I personally think the score “should” be 15-0 Yanks.

    • Matt

      That stuff happens as a pitcher tires. Nova could have just as easily given up two ground ball singles to set up the same situation.

      Nova did not allow those runs to score though. Boone Logan did when he hung a slider on a 1-2 pitch.

  • The Real Greg

    AND ANOTHER PASSED BALL

  • yourmom

    Romine fucking blows.

  • yourmom

    Good talk coach.

  • Rolling Doughnut

    Jeez Romine sucks

  • Pat D

    Jeez, Kay you don’t even know anything about archery? The quiver is already out, you take the arrow out of the quiver!

    • Dalek Jeter

      What’d he say?

      • Pat D

        Something like “The Yankees are hoping Rodney doesn’t take out the quiver today.”

  • trr

    So does AAAdams

  • trr

    Nix, Adams, Wells up this inning, game over

  • Anderson Silva

    Benefit of the doubt for the fat prick

    • The Real Greg

      Yeah, rookies don’t get that call for them.

    • Rolling Doughnut

      Too close to take though

  • trr

    That was inside on Z

  • trr

    Too easy

  • trr

    And the pride of Scranton strikes out to end it

  • Pat D

    Eh, go fuck yourself, Rodney.

  • nycsportzfan

    Adams is fucking pathetic! We have the worst right handed hitters in baseball history. (healthy)

    • The Real Greg

      We do right now, yes.

      • Jim Is (not) Bored

        I’m not sure either of you realize how long teams have been playing baseball.

  • The Real Greg

    DOMINATION

    And the game comes down to 2 hit batters…

    That to me is more frustrating than the offense no show.

    • Matt

      What? Logan gave up a 2-run single on a hanging slider. The two hit batters did not decide this game.

      • WhittakerWalt

        Other than the fact that they were the deciding runs???

        • Matt

          Which were allowed to score by the awful mistake pitch that another pitcher threw. He didn’t hit in 2 runs with the bases loaded.

  • yourmom

    Yeah, they had no chance that inning. Fuck Rodney and his dumb-ass arrows.

  • trr

    Pathetic 9th inning.
    Enjoy your Sunday evening everyone!

  • Rolling Doughnut

    A split with the Rays is not a terrible result.

  • stuart a

    adams no idea on off speed pitches, none..

    bottom line is 1 run the anamoly yesterday was just a blip, back to reality….

    cano had a great AB in the 8th he is a true superstar, pay him else he will leave and we can’t let that happen…

    logan is not and has never been very good… guy threw 2 nice sliders but could not throw 3, not a surprise. I call him bafoon logan, all sizzle but with the game on the line beware..

    the ichiro bunt with garnder on 2nd if girardi asked for that is moronic, cannot believe he is that stupid.

    comment of the day from COne, Logan 1 of the best lefty relievers over the last few years…Let those pearls of wisdom sep in…

  • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

    I’m shocked that 3 runs was literally more than enough to beat us. Shocked.

    • Pat D

      I’m shocked to find out that there is gambling going on in here!

      • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

        Your winnings, Sir.

        • Pat D

          Oh, thank you very much.

  • stuart a

    it is like bailing out a ship with a little bucket..

    cannot believe Pronk is this bad….

    lucky suzyn and sterlings favorite nix is all over things at SS.. guy swings at a ton of fastballs out of the zone.

    romine and the PB, what is up with that> I think the Claiborne pitch was a screw up on the signals….

  • WhittakerWalt

    What a shit-show this was.

  • Jag

    I was at the game, just got home… disappointing for sure because of the outcome but it was fun. Old timers day is special.