Ain’t Never Too Old To Be Dirty: Pettitte twirls complete-game victory in final career start

Game 161: Andy's Last Start
Cashman confirms Yankees want to bring back Larry Rothschild

Even though the Yankees have been eliminated from postseason contention, these last few days have been pretty damn awesome. Congrats, Andy. And thanks.

Game 161: Andy's Last Start
Cashman confirms Yankees want to bring back Larry Rothschild
  • MB923

    Farewell #46 (and #42 as well of course)

  • PFOJ

    Every time I watch it, I don’t think he has enough time to get the out at third. Every time he does.

  • Matt DiBari

    And given how the run scored, it really should have been a shutout.

    I don’t want to hijack a thread that should be about Andy Pettitte, but given his reputation, does it seem like Brendan Ryan has a lot of these little oopsies? Two more today.

    • forensic

      That goes both ways. If their catcher doesn’t think he scored a touchdown and spike the ball, then maybe it’s just a 1-1 game.

    • Darren

      You’re right, Ryan’s range is sick, but like a like of SS’s with insane range, it comes with a price. I think after close to a month of watching Ryan play, it’s fair to say that it’s not just nerves. Homeboy is not as a sure-handed as you would like, considering his offense.

  • your mom

    Wow, only 99 comments on the game thread. A record low?

    Goodbye Pettitte and Mo. Next year’s gonna suck.

    • SDB

      99 comments because too many people couldn’t type with so many tears in their eyes.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      It was a Saturday night game. Really?

  • Andy’s Game

    That was beautiful.

  • Roadgeek Adam

    I’m sure sometime next year the Yanks will put No. 46 in Monument Park. Considering Andy passed so many Whitey records, I cannot see why can’t if Whitey’s in there. Imagine if the Yanks had never lost him to 04-06 and he retired in 2011.

    • Pseudoyanks

      The Yanks knew his elbow was about to break down in ’04…and it did.

      • Ed

        Kinda, but no…

        The Yankees were convinced Pettitte had a ligament tear, which was going to require Tommy John surgery. It wasn’t a general “we think your pitching style will lead to injuries” type of thing, it was a disagreement over what a specific spot in an MRI meant.

        The injury in Houston was a tendon tear incurred during an awkward check swing. It was a different injury than the Yankees were concerned about.

        Amusingly, part of the debate over Pavano needing Tommy John surgery was because his MRI looked very similar to Pettitte’s old MRIs. Pettitte’s ligament ended up being fine, so some people in the front office weren’t convinced that Pavano actually needed to have the surgery.

        • Pseudoyanks

          Hmm. Thanks for that.

  • vicki

    it’s been dandy.

  • forensic

    So, Chris Johnson and the Braves are fighting for homefield advantage and they were down one run with men on 1st and 2nd and 2 outs. Johnson hits a groundball which Rollins dives for and just throws him out at first base.

    So, he goes into the dugout and Terry Pendleton practically attacked Johnson grabbing him with both hands and basically throwing him against the bench.

    It did seem like it took him forever to get to first base, so I thought maybe he dogged it down the line, but they showed him and he seemed to be running hard.

    Very weird, not sure what Pendleton’s problem is.

    • Kramerica Industries

      You should probably mention that Johnson dove head first into first base.

      • forensic

        Yeah, but I think in this case he would’ve been out anyway.

        I also realized I didn’t mention it was the 9th inning, so I guess I really kicked the shit out of that description. :-)

  • Brandon

    If it wasn’t gonna end with a World Championship, it was perfect for Mo and Andy to go out like this

  • I’m a looser baby so why don’t you kill me?


    Sad face.

    • I’m a looser baby so why don’t you kill me?

      I see RAB doesn’t like emoji. That’s supposed to be me, shedding a tear.

      Annnnnyway…THANK YOU Andy and god bless.

      And I repeat…damn we’re blessed.

  • Laz

    Perfect way for him to end his career. I was worried about him awhile back, but the guy showed that he can still do 180 innings with 3.75 era. Even got to end it vs Houston.

  • Kenny

    Andy’s 3.74 ERA this season is his 6th lowest among his 18 big league seasons.

    Can he still pitch or what?

    • forensic

      He did well overall, especially considering his age, but it’s a very different offensive environment now than it was for much of his career.

      I’m not sure what his ERA+ will go to after tonight (started tonight at 104), but assuming it jumps above 106 and doesn’t quite pass 110, then this season would just be 14th out of his 18 years.

  • Get Phelps Up

    We can’t let today pass without also honoring the 2 year anniversary of the Greatest Night In Baseball History.

  • Pseudoyanks

    What a great last start. What can I say? I will always love Andy Pettitte. He deserves his seat along side Mr. Whitey Ford. Looking forward to seeing him grow old as a Yankee legend (with me.)

    • Robinson Tilapia


  • Nathan

    Andy’s got some magic in him. I’ll miss him.

  • Darren

    I think Andy’s a Hall of Fame pitcher, and tonight just cements it.

    If you like counting stats, 256 wins, and more than 100 games over .500 seems HOF worthy.

    Yeah, Andy was never dominant in the way Randy Johnson, Clemens, or Pedro was, in terms of pure stuff, but if you appreciate the art of pitching, and not just throwing hard, than Andy Pettitte was as good as any of his peers, except maybe for Greg Maddux.

    And just remember, it’s the Hall of FAME. Emphasis on FAME and not on ERA or some peripheral.

    Andy’s will to win played a huge part in creating the post-season opportunities that brought him to baseball’s biggest stage where he excelled and became the winningest pitcher of all time, and the winningest pitcher in the World Series in the last 50 years (tied with Catfish).
    Don’t forget that Andy helped win Houston their first playoff series and bring them to their first World Series. Houston!

    Tonight was emblematic of the the long, illustrious career that Andy has had and which should truly end in Cooperstown. Has Andy brought enough fame for himself to be deemed worthy? I don’t think it’s anywhere near of a close call as a 1 run shutout in the World Series against Smoltz, or eking out a 1 run victory in the las game of his career against the Astros. It seems much more of a clearcut conclusion than that.

    Andy is a Hall of Famer.

    • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

      I was going to respond to this point by point. Then I realized it was just too ridiculous and stopped.

      • Darren


    • WhittakerWalt
      • forensic

        How you seemingly remembered this right off the bat after reading the comment, I don’t know, but there is absolutely NEVER a bad time to link to FJM in a comment.

        Very well done!

        • WhittakerWalt

          “And just remember, it’s the Hall of FAME. Emphasis on FAME and not on ERA or some peripheral.”

          It was this particular line that did it for me. Emphasizing the word FAME isn’t really any kind of argument. It’s not like Andy Pettitte is a household name.

      • Darren

        Give me a fucking break. It’s not like I suggested Jim Abbott or Leyritz get in the HOF because they’re famous. By just about any measure, Pettitte is a borderline HOF’er based on his NUMBERS. That’s a pretty far cry from suggesting Canseco get in because he’s famous for steroids.

        My point is that Andy’s accomplishments on the baseball field in high pressure situations should be taken into consideration just as much as the numbers. I think you can say that Andy’s post-season fetas and his ability to win big for the Yankees (and even throw in the WS run with the Astros), should outweigh a slightly high ERA or lack of overpowering stuff.

        Yeah, maybe wins isn’t a great stat foe any particular year, but if the guys has 256 of them, I think it’s a pretty good indication it wasn’t luck.

        • WhittakerWalt

          Some of your points are perfectly valid. It’s just this emphasis on the word “fame” is nonsense. Yes, it’s called the Hall of FAME but we all know it really means Hall of Really Great Baseball Players. They’re not all even that famous. Should Negro Leagues players not be eligible because no one’s ever heard of them?

          Look, Pettitte is on the bubble. He just is. Objectively speaking he’s probably not quite qualified. His ERA would be the highest of any pitcher in the Hall and he doesn’t have any of the “automatic” counting stats in his favor, like 300 wins or 3000 strikeouts. His postseason wins are nice, but he had many more opportunities than anyone else did. And his postseason record is somewhat overblown. It’s not like he was an automatic in the playoffs. He had plenty of clunkers. He wasn’t nearly as good as, say, Curt Schilling in the playoffs.

          If Pettitte gets into the Hall, I will certainly not complain. I’ll in fact be very happy. But I will also recognize, on some level, that it’s just my Yankees homerism that’s informing my happiness. I think that’s all any of us are saying. We all love Andy and we’d all like to see him get in, but at the same time we recognize it’s not entirely objective. If it was a Red Sox pitcher with his pedigree we’d be up in arms if people were making his HoF case like this.

    • FIPster Doofus

      Objectively, I don’t think Pettitte’s a HOFer. However, because I love him, I want him to make it anyway.

  • Chris

    He’s right. Even the first sentence is insane. So Andy’s hall of fame chances should be cemented by a CG against the 2013 Astros. Just wow.

    • Darren

      Fine, it was the wrong choice of expression. How about “cherry on top” instead of “cements it”? OBVIOUSLY one start doesn’t mean much either way.

      The main thrust of the argument is that while Andy has never had dominant stuff, his pitching ability and competitiveness added up to an incredible 256 wins and being 100 games over .500. Combined with his incredible post-season success, that’s a slam dunk HOF career to me.

      Can you explain why that argument is insane and ridiculous? I can see making a case against Andy, although I think all of the arguments are pretty weak. But it’s hard to fathom how you can be so dismissive.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        Too much “fan.” Not enough “real.”

        I do think stats matter a ton, Darren, but I’d rather read you a thousand times over someone who wants to give me reasons not to be a fan every day.

        I think his solid numbers plus his post-season accomplishments should get him through the door, but that the PED admission will still make it harder to impossible for it to actually happen.

      • Farewell Mo and Andy

        I think the HGH issue ultimately kills whatever chance he had making the HOF but everyone assumes Tom Glavine is a lock for the HOF and after last night, Andy has him beat by about 5 fWAR for his career despite playing nearly all of it in the AL east vs the NL least for Glavine.

        • WhittakerWalt

          That only assumes people will still care about PEDs in 5 years. They may not give a shit by then.

  • Robinson Tilapia

    You could tell me he’s been penciled in to start 20 years from now and I’ll think they’ll have a chance to win the game. As solid as can be. A professional. A Yankee in every way. It’s been an honor to watch your entire career.

  • Farewell Mo and Andy

    In my mind, there have never been 2 more classy and dignified players in any sport that I’ve followed than Andy and Mo. I’d have given my right arm to have seen them go out after 1 more parade but at least they went out at their personal best on top of their games.

  • David Brown

    Andy Pettitte is my favorite current Yankees Player, and he will not reach the Hall Of Fame (HOF). Pure stats alone, the ERA issue hurts him (very much like Jack Morris (another “Big Game Pitcher”)), as does the lack of complete games. That said, being the best Yankee Pitcher since World War II (only being surpassed by Rivera & Ford), should be enough to get into Monument Park (if Guidry is there Andy should be too). If that happens, and say Mike Mussina gets Elected to the HOF, I know whose career I would prefer? Hint: Its the one with the 5 World Series Rings.

    • David Brown

      oops one of the best Pitchers since World War Ii.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      I don’t think lack of complete games is going to be differential criteria. The era is what it is.

      • WhittakerWalt

        Yeah, seriously. Having Mo in the bullpen pretty much eliminates most complete games.

  • Selective Amnesia

    Watching the postgame show… I knew Andy was pitching well at the end of the season but was amazed that he had an ERA of 1.94 in his last 10 starts. Great way to go out! Always loved watching him pitch.

  • I’m a looser baby so why don’t you kill me?

    Who says there’s no crying in baseball?


    THANK YOU Andy Pettitte and god bless.

  • adjusts batting gloves

    There’s something incoherent about MLB, media, and fans in their response to the steroid era and players’ HOF prospects. If Pettite doesn’t have the “numbers” to be first ballot HOF, maybe it’s because he was facing juiced competition for most of his career. His admission that he took a substance that wasn’t banned at the time he took it, by MLB, and used it for a medical purpose shouldn’t bias his candidacy.

    I also think Bonds should be in the HOF. He used steroids, but so did a lot of people who didn’t put up the numbers Bonds put up. No one can say what Bonds’s numbers would have been without ‘roids, but there’s an good chance that they might have been HOF worthy. He deserves a place in Cooperstown, which is not a “shrine” or a “temple” but something closer to a museum, and his exhibit should deal honestly with how BB came to epitomize the steroid era.

    • David Brown

      The reality of the matter is Andy is not a Hall of Famer, but I really detest how people love to bring up HGH (like Yankee Haters do with Arizona 2001 when evaluating Mariano Rivera’s career). I wonder why Gaylord Perry who wrote a book called “Me And The Spitter” is not treated in such as manner (not to mention David Ortiz and The Mitchell Report), or for that matter Trevor Hoffman versus Scott Brosius, when evaluating Hoffman’s Career? It is simple: The Yankees Haters and (or) Trolls are always going to take pot shots at the team and its players (remember when ESPN identified Roger Clemens as a Yankee but not a Red Sox?), and a price of being a Yankee Fan is having to deal with it. Of course, it could be worse……. Imagine being a Cubs Fan?

    • hogsmog

      Another thing- it’s the Hall of Fame . You can’t deny that Bonds is one of the biggest names in the history of the sport, a guy who attracted so much admiration and hatred and everything in between. His story isn’t particularly glamorous, but it’s essential to the history of the game. It would be like US schools not teaching Vietnam because it was embarrassing.

      At any rate, keeping him out of Cooperstown isn’t going to change his legacy, and putting him in won’t absolve it. The whole controversy just seems childish to me.

      • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

        There’s a distinction between “Not teaching Vietnam” and “Not placing Vietnam on list of greatest U.S. moments” that seems to be missing here.

        • LK

          You don’t have to have Bonds on the list of “baseball’s greatest moments” if you don’t want.

          The list of “baseball’s greatest players”, though? He’s sure as shit on that.

  • mustang

    I was at last night game it was just awesome. Beautiful park, great Yankees fans it was like a home game. Andy was just vintage Andy great way to end the year and the era.


    Moved to Houston this August from the UWS – couldn’t find a single Yankee fan to go with me yesterday. I guess if the heat doesn’t get you, the dearth of baseball in this town will…Andy was one of my absolute favorites! What a career.