Yankees rank middle of the pack in Baseball America’s near-term farm system rankings

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Now that Baseball America has wrapped up their look at the top 20 prospects in each minor league, Matt Eddy (both no subs. req’d) used the lists to put together a ranking of all 30 farm systems based on their ability to provide immediate help. It’s basically a look at how each organization is equipped to provide MLB value in 2014 and 2015. Eddy used a points system that is rather complicated, so click the link for an explanation.

The Red Sox (122.2 points) top the rankings and are followed by the Astros (111.2) and Padres (110.8). The Brewers (26.6) are dead last. The Yankees are right smack in the middle of the pack — they rank 16th with 74.1 points. The average score is 76.4. “New York hopes this class of catching prospects develops more effectively than the last one,” wrote Eddy, referring to the Jesus Montero/Austin Romine era.

I’m actually surprised the Yankees ranked as highly as they did since their only near-MLB-ready prospect of note is C J.R. Murphy. They have some interesting outfielders at Double-A Trenton, but no one who is expected to make an impact next year. They really need some of those guys — as well as some lower level prospects — to raise their stock next summer. The team also needs to figure out why the farm system is so spectacularly unproductive, but that’s another matter.

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What Went Wrong: Michael Pineda
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  • YankeeGrunt

    It’s not “spectacularly unproductive.” Going into the year this was a farm ranked in the low teens, even though it was blatantly obvious that their best prospects were at least a year away. It has provided its share of role players over the last few years, filling in the bullpen and the back end of the rotation pretty well. Lacking in star power, sure, but this idea that the cupboard is bare going forward has a lot more to do with a lack of perspective.

  • gbyanks

    Well the AAA rotation looks like it should be able to contribute at some point . Maybe they really like almonte?

    • Need Pitching & Hitting

      The rankings are based on players who placed on their respective league’s top 20 prospect lists.
      J.R. Murphy is the only one to place on a AA list. Nobody placed on a AAA list.
      Of the 11 players to earn points for the Yankees by placing on a list, 8 ranked in low-A or lower.
      Realistically, Murphy is the only player to earn points in this ranking who has any likelihood of contributing in 2014.
      Maybe add Sanchez and possibly Williams or DePaula as possibilities for 2015.
      Most of the Yankees points earners are years away.

      • gbyanks

        idk i feel like if almonte would of never gotten hurt and keept
        up his AAA numbers we would really excited about him.

  • aluis

    Also of late, since drafting Hensley, they have made some very good draft selections as well as international signings which have bolstered the system as well.

  • PunkPitch

    BOSTON 1ST? These quantifying feats of stat mumbo jumbo are sitting in a pool of wet cement. Judge the Yankee farm system on purely results at the ML level. It is what is is – A barren wasteland, with a smattering of middle relievers, 5th starters, and 6th Outfielders.

    • The Big City of Dreams

      Well damn lol

    • Robinson Tilapia

      “Judge the Yankee farm system on purely results at the ML level.”

      Which would be a completely incorrect way of doing so.

  • Robinson Tilapia

    Baseball America: Providing fodder for Yankee fans to yell at each other with since 1923.

    • Dick M

      As far as drafting and development goes, there’s plenty of fodder without BA.

  • The Other Sam

    “spectacularly unproductive”. I don’t disagree with that assessment (neither does ownership apparently), but how does that equal “middle of the pack”?

    • kenthadley

      And also, if draft position is the culprit we often hear about when wondering why we don’t have any impact players coming up, how does Boston rank so high? Only last year was their draft position significantly impacted…most years they are high teens and twenties, and yet they seem to have a system rated with significantly better prospects.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        Draft position is but one factor. No matter where you draft, those players still have to graduate to the big leagues. This isn’t the NFL or NBA.

        How many teams are perenially stuck in the basement while picking high every season?

      • The Other Sam

        St Louis as well. Also, Goldschmidt drafted 8th round.

      • Bubba

        While it is true they often draft in the same general vicinity as us, they also have had significantly more picks than us. Since 2003, Boston has had 27 picks in the top 50… the Yankees have had 17. Granted 2003 and top 50 are arbitrary endpoints but that doesn’t diminish the fact that they are picking more of the high probability players.

    • Need Pitching & Hitting

      Unproductive relates to the past.
      Middle of the pack relates to projection of the future.

  • qwerty

    When an organization has someone like JR Murphy you’re not going to fall too low in organizational rankings no matter how badly every other prospect in your system does.

  • dan

    Boston wins the series…HAVE THE BEST FARM SYSTEM AND WE EMBRACE 189….SUCKS THE BIG ONE

  • nycsportzfan

    It seems like are system had so much potential a few yrs ago, and now most of its gone, albeit, the additons of Hensley, Clarkin, Judge, and Jaigelo, and Katoh, over the past couple drafts, certainly add some intrigue. And there is still a chance to get something outta the killer B’s if Beatances or Banuelos can do something, its just not looking as promising as once did is all. Bichette Jr, Culver, and Bleich have been dud early rd picks over the last sevral yrs which have hurt also.

    I guess i can see why were in the middle of the pack though and not further down unlike mike. BA stills sees the upside of a group that consists of Heathcott, Sanchez, M.Williams, Hensley, J.Ramirez, Murphy, Romine, Phelps, Judge, Clarkins, Jaigelo, B.Marshall, Banuelos,O’Brien, to give us a mid pack grade. I mean, thats still a nice heap of players and i didn’t even include a handful of wild card types like Turley for instance. We got some talent in our system. And guys will start making there case for playing time over the next yr to yr in a half.. I can see the optimism by BA..

    • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead

      Who were our potentially great prospects a few years ago as far as positional players? We didn’t have more than 1-3. It was mostly failed pitching.

  • nycsportzfan

    Who do you guys see outta this group having a bigger impact at any point with the Big club.

    Manny Banuelos

    Dellin Betances

    David Adams

    JR Murphy

    Austin Romine ?????

    I only ask, because that group kinda came up with eachother and for diffrent reason have kinda lost alittle of there luster. Just curious which one or two you guys still have most hope in?

    • cranky

      There’s a guy named HEALTH who’s gonna have the biggest impact of all.

      • nycsportzfan

        So what player do you see outta that group possibly living up to expectations they had before? I kinda see Banuelos now that hes surgically repaired elbow, will be back to top prospect in a yr or 2.. Hes gonna be a stud. It must of sucked pitching with a sore elbow all the time.

  • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead

    I don’t know why I constantly have to point this out.

    We’re middle of the pack because half of baseball is worse. It’s that simple. Being 14th-16th doesn’t mean we’re any good, or that we don’t need to improve. It just means there are 14-16 teams that are even worse.

    This is not even remotely difficult to understand. And yet every week or so someone complains that the Yankees are the WORST in baseball at developing prospects. We’re not. It’s damn hard, and there are a lot of teams bad at it.

    • The Big City of Dreams

      True they aren’t the worst in baseball but in terms of what they envisioned to be and what they are they aren’t good at it. If they had better results the critics would be screaming as loud.

    • YanksFan

      Amen. That’s a big problem I have with this board in the past year or two. They look at only the Yanks in a vacuum and don’t actually compare them to what else is out there. Utility players and bullpen pieces are still useful to building an organization.

      Am I disappointed the way some of their prospects have not realized their full potential, yes. That doesn’t mean the system is barren.

      Let’s see if some of the Boston prospects pan out to their rankings. They have not in the last 5 years. KC and Texas have had great system rankings but they’ve not been the best MLB players around.

      • Lukaszek

        TB is the best aside from the Cardinals. They developed Moore, Hellickson, Longoria, Archer, Cobb, Davis and Price. Two RoY winners and a Cy Young in that group