Open Thread: 3/16 Camp Notes


The Yankees had a good day on Sunday, winning two games in two different countries. In Tampa, Masahiro Tanaka helped the club to a 7-4 win over the visiting Braves. He allowed one run on three hits and two walks in 4.1 innings before hitting his pitch count, striking out six. Forty-four of his 74 pitches were strikes, according to David Lennon. Ichiro Suzuki, Eduardo Nunez, and Ramon Flores all went 2-for-3 while Brian McCann had a two-run double. Mark Teixeira went 0-for-2 with a walk. Dellin Betances had his first shaky outing of the spring, allowing a run on a hit, a walk, and a hit batsman in one inning of work. Here are the box score and video highlights for that game.

Meanwhile, in Panama, the Yankees responded to being no-hit on Saturday by holding the Marlins to one hit on Sunday, shutting them out 7-0. CC Sabathia retired 15 of 16 batters faced (five strikeouts), with the only exception being an error by third baseman Zelous Wheeler. I couldn’t get the online feed to work, so I have no idea how Sabathia actually looked as far as command and velocity, but Bryan Hoch says he was sharp. Carlos Beltran singled, Yangervis Solarte went 3-for-5, Frankie Cervelli went 3-for-3, and Gary Sanchez hit a homer. Brett Gardner, Derek Jeter, and Alfonso Soriano went a combined 0-for-9. David Robertson walked one in an otherwise perfect inning. Here’s the box score (no highlights) for that game, and here is the rest from camp.

  • Another roster cut: Manny Banuelos has been optioned down High-A Tampa, the team announced. Brian Cashman said Banuelos may start the season with High-A Tampa rather than Triple-A Scranton because of the weather, but nothing is decided yet. There are still 58 players in big league camp by my unofficial count. [Chad Jennings]
  • Ivan Nova, David Phelps, and Michael Pineda were among those to throw their scheduled bullpen sessions. Tyler Austin (wrist) took batting practice and is expected to get into a game this week. Brendan Ryan (oblique) hit and fielded grounders today, and is expected to have a full workout tomorrow. Russ Canzler (hip) is feeling better but he is still receiving treatment and has yet to resume workouts. [Jennings]
  • Sabathia said he planned to speak to Mariano Rivera about his work-in-progress cutter while in Panama. Couldn’t speak to a better guy about the pitch, but I wouldn’t expect Sabathia’s to become lethal like Rivera’s just because they chatted. [Dan Barbarisi]
  • And, in case you were wondering, the Yankees did bring a jersey to Panama for Rivera. They were lobbying him to play center field, but Joe Girardi said the jersey was so Mo could spend a few innings in the dugout. [Barbarisi]

This is your opening thread for the evening. If you missed Tanaka earlier or just want to see him again, YES is replaying this afternoon’s game at 7pm ET. MLB Network will re-air two games later tonight as well. Feel free to talk about whatever you like right here.


  1. Jorge Steinbrenner says:

    On Betances, I was impressed with how he was able to right the ship and limit the damage. After the walk and hit batsman, he got two ground balls (yes, one was hit hard and got past Angelini) before striking the third guy out. I feel like a less confident Betances from a couple seasons back would have let the inning get away from him. We’d like for pitchers to limit their mistakes and be able to recover when they make them. He did that.

  2. Steinbrenner's Ghost says:

    After being no-hit, the Yanks throw a 1-hitter.

    Must be the climate.

  3. Tom says:

    Tyler Corbin has a partially torn UCL, may be headed for TJS.

    I wonder if this changes things a bit for the Dbacks – they may look to deal their IF depth for pitching as opposed to a catcher? Not sure the pitching the Yankees would probably be dealing from (Phelps/Warren/Nuno types) is what they would be looking for.

    • W.B. Mason Williams says:

      I’d deal Warren and Murphy for Owings.

      Yes yes MTPS.

      • forensic says:

        Sounds like the D-Backs are in line to declare Owings the starter over Didi (according to Jim Bowden), so Didi is probably the more available option. Personally, I wouldn’t bother to trade much for him and I would assume they’ll ask for much than many teams would want to give up for him, at least at this point.

        • W.B. Mason Williams says:

          Brendan Ryan is already on the roster.

          • RetroRob says:

            I’d be up for a deal if I had faith that Didi Gregorius could eventually hit. I don’t have that faith. He is, as you noted, like Brendan Ryan. Younger. His bat would be better, but that’s a low bar. Yet their skill sets are similar. I would not part with the catcher formerly known as J.R. Murphy for him.

    • forensic says:

      Patrick Corbin, and it doesn’t hurt their depth, but I think they do still have 5 guys who would be ready near opening day (depending on if Arroyo progresses), I so wonder how much urgency they’ll put into making a trade for a starter.

    • FIPster Doofus says:

      They still have Delgado and Bradley.

  4. Steinbrenner's Ghost says:

    Cervelli batting .480

    • Yankee$ (Formerly Pseudoyanks) says:

      Definitely worth more than another team’s spare part, especially if paired with another player of value.

      • Kenny says:

        Absolutely! As long as he’s looking this good (and who knows how long that will last?), there should be no nice-guy, even-up trades of Cervelli. Cash should swagger as long as possible whenever some other GM brings up Cervelli’s name.

    • Gonzo says:

      How many fistpumps and season changing homers?

    • dc1874 says:

      Good bye Frankie!!!

      • Wheels says:

        We should keep him. It’s like having a good backup quarterback in the NFL, a valuable insurance policy.

        • Tanuki Tanaka (Formerly Bob Buttons) says:

          Except backup catcher plays MUCH more than backup QBs. (See Painter, Curtis or Carr, David)

          Not trying to dispute your point, but just trying to add to your opinion of keeping him.

          • Wheels says:

            Absolutely, I should have added that. Cervelli will allow McCann to rest without a serious drop off in production. It’s almost a no brainer to keep him, unless we get some offer that’s just too good to refuse that fits our needs perfectly.

  5. Ethan says:

    RAB March Madness Pool this year?

  6. JGYank says:

    Things are looking good. I’m jumping on the Cervelli bandwagon for the backup spot, and Solarte is forcing his way into their plans. Tanaka continues to impress. I thought his slider was great today and he was locating it very well. We’ve got some good candidates for the 5th spot in the rotation and all of them have had good springs. I really would like to see Pineda win and I think he’s the favorite since the others have experience in the pen except for Nuno (who could still be used as a 2nd lefty in the pen or could be depth in AAA). Hopefully CC will climb above 90 mph soon and he pitched great today so that’s a step forward I guess. I think Betances has earned a spot in the pen, and I think they did the right thing sending Banuelos down since he is coming off of injury so now we don’t have to worry about him being a rp. Matt Daley and Leroux have also impressed me so I think it’s between those 2, Betances, Clairborne, and maybe even Cabral since he’s a LHP to fill out the rest of the pen behind Drob, Kelley, Thornton, and the losers of the 5th spot in the rotation (probably Warren and Phelps). Leroux and Cabral are longshots but the rest have a decent case to be made. I think Nunez probably is the most likely to platoon with Johnson, but I’d prefer Sizemore. Doubt Anna makes the team with those 2 in the way. Hopefully they hold on to him and Solarte for depth.

    And most importantly, we haven’t had any major injuries this spring at all. Compare this to last spring and things are much better.

    • forensic says:

      I still have a bias for Phelps for some reason, but I agree the 5th spot is Pineda’s to lose at this point. I also think it’d be extremely unlikely for anyone other than Nunez (barring an injury to him) to win the last utility spot. Anna has all three options left, so they won’t get rid of him, he’ll just be hanging out in AAA with Sizemore (at least until he/they have to figure something out for his May 1st opt-out). Solarte may hang around as extra depth, but I still have a hard time putting too much stock in his crazy ST numbers based on the rest of his career.

      As for the bullpen, I agree Betances has likely earned his spot and Phelps (assuming Pineda is starting) and Warren will be there, so that basically leaves one spot for Daley, Claiborne, or Cabral. Daley has likely had the best spring, Claiborne has last season under his belt (and a 40-man spot advantage over Daley) which will count in the decision-makers eyes, and Cabral gives them a second lefty. They all have their positives and negatives, so it’ll be interesting to see where they end up.

      • JGYank says:

        Yeah, I like Phelps but he fits nicely into the pen which hurts his case. Nunez’s versatility, age, and speed will probably keep him on the team and Sizemore’s hasn’t played over the last couple of years and Ana has options. I don’t know Solarte’s career numbers, but it couldn’t hurt to stash him in the minors just in case.

        I think the last couple of spots go to Betances and Claiborne, but Daley and Cabral could definitely sneak in. All of them except Claiborne have good numbers this spring, but that doesn’t matter much and Claiborne does have last year over the others.

        • vicki says:

          he may still have much to prove to the yanks, but prior to rotator cuff surgery daley had success for a couple years in the majors (at coors, no less). that could trump preston’s (first half) last season.

          • JGYank says:

            I looked up the numbers and he was great in Scranton last year. 2.54 ERA 12.2 K/9 1.4 BB/9 .872 WHIP. I didn’t know he pitched for the Rockies before his surgery but I’m not sure how much stock to put in it since it was before the surgery and he hasn’t pitched more than 6 innings in the majors since 2010. But based on his numbers from last year in the minors I’d say he’d be a good choice for the final spot.

      • FLYER7 says:

        I prefer Daley to Claiborne if we can clear a 40 man spot for Daley. Claiborne got knocked around a bit second half last season…

    • Tanaka has looked good this spring but is anyone concerned about his pitch counts? 74 today to get 13 outs.

      • JGYank says:

        No just a result of Ks and hitters swinging and missing and not putting the ball in play.

      • forensic says:

        Eh, not at this point. It’s still just his 4th start of the spring, and he may even be working on some things here and there as far as we know. Either way though, at that pace he’d finish 6 innings in barely over 100 pitches and 7 innings in just under 120 pitches. That’s not so bad, especially for a big strong guy in his first season in the major leagues.

        • Agree. Would have most likely gone seven in season but I doubt Girardi ever lets him approach 120, at least this year.

          • forensic says:

            I agree he won’t let him go that far too often, but I wonder if he’ll let him do it periodically when he knows he’ll have an extra day following that start or maybe one before that start.

  7. Steve (different one) says:

    At what point do we have to take Solarte somewhat seriously?

    • W.B. Mason Williams says:

      Brian Roberts goes down.

      Brendan Ryan goes down.

      No trade has been made.

      These are likely the prerequisites.

    • Dalek Jeter says:

      May? If he continues playing as well as he has through the early part of the regular season, and Nunez continues his career of falling short of expectations/not living up to his skill set why not see if Solarte can be a decent utility man?

    • vicki says:

      it would help a lot if i could think of an example of a guy who finally made the show at 27 and went on to do something.

      • Steve (different one) says:

        Dan Uggla, Garrett jones, Shane spencer…

        Those guys were 26, but so is Solarte. At least for a few more months.

        I agree the odds are loooooong, I’m just curious if he DID keep this going through the end of ST, could he make the team? I’d guess no unless another trade happens that clears some roster space, but the guy is basically getting a hit every time he comes up.

        It’s fascinating if nothing else. Goes a hair beyond the normal “ST SSS” random heroics.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner says:

      I think the best case scenario involves us not having to entertain having to take him seriously.

      • OB/GYN Kenobi says:

        Sorry meaning what…that he trends off from here and falls out of any such conversation? If so, why would you want that? To avoid the roster spot and/or options issues?

        • Steve (different one) says:

          I think he is saying the best case is Jeter, Roberts and Johnson all perform and that no one is depending on a movie script ending to save the IF.

  8. Yankee$ (Formerly Pseudoyanks) says:

    Signed up for MLB.TV Premium today. Scrapped the Cable TV Extra Innings packaged. Already love it. Anyone know if you can get games while outside of the US ?

    • Ethan says:

      Yes you do. Outside the US you get all the games (no blackouts) unless you’re in Canada in which case you get all the games except the Jays.

    • Hawkeye says:

      I watched games in Amsterdam a couple of years ago- trouble is, games start at 2 or 3 am.

    • vicki says:

      it’s so cheap i don’t get why everyone doesn’t have it. and i can’t even get yankees games.

      • forensic says:

        It’s well worth the extra money to get MLBEI on Directv for me so I don’t have to watch the games on my computer or monopolize my PS3 to watch the games instead of doing other things.

    • RetroRob says:

      I spent about five months last year in Europe on business. Never had a problem seeing any games on MLB.TV. There is no MLB teams near you to black out!

    • Yankee$ (Formerly Pseudoyanks) says:

      Nice. Thanks for all the responses. I have a couple of trips coming up in May and June and am glad I’ll get the games.

  9. nycsportzfan says:

    I’m surprised there isn’t more praise for CC. He gets lambasted around here for having a bad outing in the spring but when he dominates, nothing?

    • JGYank says:

      A) Not many people saw him pitch B) His velocity still hasn’t gone up C) It’s spring training D) He pitched against the Marlins

      But it is a good sign if nothing else.

    • forensic says:

      The line looks great, but how much can people really say about one game that almost no one saw, had no scouts in attendance, and only had unreliable radar guns around?

    • Jorge Steinbrenner says:

      None of us saw the game. That has a ton to do with it.

    • RetroRob says:

      I’m happy by the line score and what I’ve read. He was sharp, and even though he faced he Marlins, he didn’t give up a hit and struck out basically 1/3 of the batters he faced. If his command was off, they would have hit him.

      Yet we didn’t see him, and the biggest concern is his velocity. I think I’d feel more positive if I heard he was throwing in the low 90s, but give up a few hits and runs. He might be fine at lower velocity, but we don’t know that, so if his fastball is going to sit in the upper 80s, he’s going to have to show the world he can win consistently at that velocity.

      His velocity last year, while down, really wasn’t down alarmingly. About a mile from the prior year, and about 2.5 mph from his six year average. As a lefty and someone who is a pitcher not a thrower, he should not have had the bad year he had.

      I think if his velocity gets back over 90 he’ll be fine in 2014. Those 86-88 mph numbers do concern me.

  10. Jorge Steinbrenner says:

    Presented without comment.

  11. mustang says:


  12. mustang says:

    Now to catch up:
    MartinRanger says:
    March 16, 2014 at 5:45 pm
    The thing about Sabathia this spring is that 2 of 3 outings he’s been outstanding despite a subpar fastball. And that indicates that he’s making strides towards correcting what did him in last year, which was terrible location within the strike zone. 88 or 91, you can’t get away with pitches in the meaty part of the plate. If Sabathia can locate his pitches and make adjustments, he can be better than last year regardless of his velocity (which I do expect to be in the 89-92 range, touching 94 by the time the season is underway).
    Now, he got smacked around in his second outing, so it’s worth watching, but I think despairing over his velocity concerns is missing about half the picture.

    This guy nailed it so its worth repeating. CC is redeveloping himself until he is finish we will not know what type of pitcher they have so trying to judge him by what he was in the past is ridiculous. However, if 5 IP of no hit no BB is what he is developing into sign me up. Not bad for a 5th starter who fastball can’t break 90 mph.

  13. Wheels says:

    Looks like Ryan Doumit is gonna be ok after taking that nasty foul tip off his hand in the 2nd inning, just a finger contusion.

  14. mustang says:

    “The Yankees are a little cautious about dealing catcher Francisco Cervelli since they believe he’s the best option to start if something should happen to Brian McCann.”

    “Patrick Corbin of the Diamondbacks has suffered “damage to the ulnar collateral ligament in his left elbow,” the club announced today”

    “A source tells MLB Daily Dish’s Chris Cotillo that the Mariners feel “no urgency” to trade infielder Nick Franklin, who appears to be without a position following the Robinson Cano signing.”

    “The Mariners are still open to adding a starting pitcher, FOX Sports’ Ken Rosenthal tweets. “Our ears are still open,” says GM Jack Zduriencik. “We’ll see what happens.” Injuries have left the Mariners’ rotation uncertain after Felix Hernandez. ”

    I would be surprise if David Phelps and/or Francisco Cervelli are still Yankees by opening day.

    • mustang says:

      I’m calling David Phelps and Francisco Cervelli for Chris Owings.

      • mustang says:

        Yes even after this:
        “The Diamondbacks plan to give Chris Owings the starting shortstop job, reports’s Jim Bowden (Insider link). Preferring his bat to the glove of fellow youngster Didi Gregorius, Arizona could now be in a position to trade the latter. ”

        I think there is a lot grandstanding going on from all parties .

        • Deathstroke Heathcott says:

          I still think Franklin is more likely to be a Yankee and even that isn’t super likely. I doubt the D-Backs would give the starting job to Didi after admitting that they like Owings better.

  15. 461deep says:

    I’d keep Frankie since right now he is the closest back-up candidate that looks like a starter in case McCaan misses time. He should hit .260-.275 with some pop. CC & Tanaka both very good today so a good sign. Hope Elsbury’s calf is just a little knot. Jeter is not hitting, only 1 good game so far.

  16. Yankee$ (Formerly Pseudoyanks) says:

    Teaching Grit !

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