Jul
29

2014 Trade Deadline Open Thread: Tuesday

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The non-waiver trade deadline is 4pm ET this Thursday, and between now and then there will be a ton of rumors and speculation. Some actual moves too. The Yankees have already swung trades for Brandon McCarthy and Chase Headley, but Brian Cashman has said he is still seeking another starter and another bat. I don’t know if they’ll get another deal done, but I fully expect plenty of Yankees-related rumors, hence a full week of recap open threads rather than one or two days.

Yesterday we learned the Bombers are “in on everything,” but they do not want to part with their top minor leaguers. Josh Willingham, John Danks, Jake Arrieta, and Chris Denorfia were among the names connected to the club. We’ll keep track of the day’s Yankees-related rumors right here in this post, so make sure you check back throughout the day. All of the timestamps below are ET.

  • 12:52pm: Justin Masterson, who the Indians are “very willing” to trade, is not on the Yankees’ radar. Not only is he currently on the disabled list with a knee problem, but he also has a 5.51 ERA (4.08 FIP) and has lost nearly three full miles and hour off his trademark sinker. [Jeff Passan & Sherman]
  • 10:35am: The White Sox have had scout Joe Butler trailing Double-A Trenton the last few days. In addition to Danks, the power-hitting Dayan Viciedo is also available. He’d fit as a righty hitting outfielder. [George King]
  • 9:30am: The Yankees asked the Cubs about outfielder Justin Ruggiano but were apparently told he isn’t available. The team is said to be seeking a right-handed hitting outfielder and he’d fit the bill. [Jon Heyman]
  • The Rays had special assignment scouting Bobby Heck at a recent Double-A Trenton game — special assignment scouts are sent to see specific players, not general coverage — likely doing due diligence in case the they become willing to trade within the division. [Joel Sherman]
  • Not a rumor or anything, but check out this Larry Fleisher piece on the process of making a trade. Cashman is quoted extensively. “It seems like the new technique is texting. Some of it’s not as much by phone as it used to be but you just throw out a lot of ideas … I think it’s easier to insult somebody via text than it is to on the phone,” said the GM. Check it out.
  • Jacoby Eddardsbury

    I don’t think we should give up any key prospects to improve this mediocre team and these last 3 games are evidence of that. After a 10 game home stand against a weak hitting NL club, the worst team in baseball and a team that hadn’t won in NY in 2 years we are no closer to the O’s than we were when it started. And the O’s were out west playing the 2 best teams in the league.

    And forget about the 2nd WC. There’s only 20 teams still in that race and 16 of them are better than us. When Brett Gardner is your biggest power threat you don’t have much of a lineup. And that’s something one player won’t be able to change on a dime.

    • Bill

      Could not agree more. Play the rest of the season with what you’ve got. If a sudden hot streak appears and it carries them to October, great, but don’t sell off the young talent to improve this group. I don’t see such a streak coming, nor do I think most of the realistic fans see it. Certainly the alleged experts don’t see it. We have hit some lean times, but I do believe they won’t last as long as the droughts of 1965-75 and 1982-92.

      • Rick

        Because the evidence is there that we’ve sold off so much young talent thus far.

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

        Young talent exists to both replenish your major league team AND to serve as trade chips.

        You can’t realistically hold on to everyone. The question is who and when.

        • nycsportzfan

          Exactly. I always say that when I talk about prospects its not just how they’ll help the Yanks team by playing for them but also by being trade chips.

          Sometimes a player won’t work out that we traded and i’ll mention them in a group of Yank prospects that were good or helped the team and people will bring up there struggles and i’l point out they helped attain a certain player who was in fact good for the Yanks.

          Well said Jorge.

    • Mouse Rat

      I totally agree. Unless the player is going to be around for at least 1 more year, the top 10 prospects should be off limits. And even then I wouldn’t trade them as part of a deal for anyone who isn’t an impact player.

      Obviously they’d have to package them to get anything done under this scenario. But it doesn’t make sense to trade any high level prospects for a trade that may just be enough to get them a 1 game playoff.

  • Ed

    Saw this on MLBTR last night:

    Mariners GM Jack Zduriencik has exasperated many trade partners with his negotiating style, executives tell Ken Rosenthal and Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports. Those execs say the M’s frequently inquire on a number of players, only to shift direction when a deal appears within reach. That’s not unusual for teams to do, but rival officials say Jack Z has become one of the most difficult GMs in the sport with whom to do business.

    Immediately remind me of the Cliff Lee non-trade.

  • Bo Knows

    Via Ty Hensley’s Mom; the 2012 1st Rounder is going to Staten Island

    • The Great Gonzo

      … For a day trip. He really wants to ride the Ferry

      • I’m One

        … and see the Statue of Liberty.

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          While laughing at the tourists actually paying money to stand in line for it.

          I absolutely love that his mom is active on social media and the Internet.

  • Christ is King

    I dont know if anyone is realizing but Theo is doing something really nice with that farm system… Granted, they haven’t won anything since the time of Noah’s Ark but that team could be special in a few years with the right balance of homegrown talent and key pick ups ala Yankees circa late 90′s.

    The Yankees on the flip side just keep trying to put a band aid on a gun shot wound. If I were the GM of this team, and thankfully Im not cause I would probably ruin it for the long haul, but I would start getting rid of the older players for whatever is available. Id make EVERYONE older than 30 available and depending on who it is ill even take a pack of gum for them.

    • Bill

      The Yankee hierarchy is convinced that we’ll all desert the team and move to Citi Field if they tried to do the rebuild that happened 20 years ago. Yeah, some of the front runners will leave, but they’ll come running back when the team starts winning again. Sacrifice a couple of years of growing pains and you could end up with 5-10 years of excellence. That would require a complete restructuring of the front office to bring in people who know how to develop talent. Enough of the patches. Give us some material without holes.

      • http://twitter.com/#!/Clay_Bellinger Clay Bellinger

        The much bigger issue is that doing what they did 20ish years ago is nearly impossible. Bringing up eventual stars at CF, SS, LHSP, RP, C all within a few years of each other. Almost impossible to replicate.

        • Chip

          It’s not like they were trying to reload either. I mean, none of Williams, Jeter, Rivera, Pettitte or Posada were gotten by trading away a soon to be free agent. If anything, they did the opposite. They grabbed O’Neill who was an established above average big leaguer in a trade for another established big leaguer in Roberto Kelly and grabbed Tino Martinez and Jeff Nelson for nothing from the Mariners. In fact, I can’t think of a single time during the dynasty era or before that they traded a big leaguer for a prospect that turned out to be a star

          • http://twitter.com/#!/Clay_Bellinger Clay Bellinger

            The did trade away big leaguers, Henderson and Winfield come to mind, but it didn’t net them any prospects that turned into something.

            They traded “something” for Tino and Nelson. Hitchcock and Russ Davis were decent young pieces, but they certainly won that trade in a landslide.

            Tino and O’Neill were somewhat risky moves that both turned out ridiculously well.

            • D$1184

              To be fair, Gene “Stick” Michael saw that O’Neill’s swing was well-situated for Yankee Stadium. It wasn’t just luck. There was some good scouting in there.

              • http://twitter.com/#!/Clay_Bellinger Clay Bellinger

                Oh I’m not saying it was luck at all. Just that there was some risk associated with it when it was made. Kelly was younger and a pretty decent player.

            • mike

              also – Hitchcock was seen as a better pticher than Pettitte at the tie, as he had a really developed arsenal of pitches for a starter, but was somewhat jerked around by the Yanks as a young pitcher. He was seen as a cornerstone guy for a pitching staff.
              \additionally, Davis was supposed to be a really solid ML player, and at the time it was assumed he would be a starter for the Yanks when Boggs was thru, but Boggs turned out to continue to be a solid defensive 3B and was still hitting so Davis was a real chip to trade.
              No on, at the time, thought the Yanks “won” the trade…but it was thought to be pretty fair at the time, as it helped the M’s with 3B situation and they envisioned Davis and Arod as being the side of their IF going forward – and if you remember at the time power-hitting 1B like Tino were dime-a-dozen

            • Jorge Steinbrenner

              Comment of the day. Thank you.

          • lightSABR

            Right. I yearn for another dynasty as much as the next guy, but seriously – you can’t replicate Jeter/Andy/Bernie/Jorge/Mo. That’s not going to happen again, not if the Yankees spend the next half-century sacrificing today’s wins for tomorrow’s prospects.

            It’s a different world now. Just get the Yankees to the playoffs three years out of four and I’ll be happy. (Though I certainly wouldn’t mind better than that.)

          • Mouse Rat

            Not stars, but the biggest prospect losses I can think of is giving up Mike Lowell and Jake Westbrook. Both had solid careers, but they weren’t as problematic as, say, giving up Jay Buhner.

            • Jorge Steinbrenner

              I’d put Lowell up there with Buhner.

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

        No, it wouldn’t require a complete restructing of the front office, unless you’re talking bringing in people who subscribe 100% to “The Bill Way.”

    • Chip

      Yeah but it still takes a ton of luck and development to get where they want to be. I mean, the fact that Jeter, Williams, Pettitte, Rivera and Posada were relatively healthy for a solid 5 years is incredible

      • mitch

        Exactly. The Cubs will be lucky if one of their elite prospects turns into a star. Having 5 guys come up around the same time and have HOF/near-HOF careers is a once in a lifetime thing.

        • Chip

          If they start two of Russell, Castro, Bryant, Solar, and Baez in a single AS game, you’d have to consider it a win. I mean Russell has just started getting a taste of AA but is probably the highest probability, Castro looked done just last year, Bryant and Baez strike out a ton in AAA and might never fully tap into their power because of it, Solar needs to mature a bit yet and you could lose any amount of them to injuries any time.

          O yeah, and they have zero pitching outside of Arrieta so its possible they turn into the mid 2000s Rockies

          Or, maybe they turn into the Big Blue Machine ™. Who can ever tell with baseball?

    • The Great Gonzo

      Age =\= inability to play baseball well… Inversely, youth =\= a bright future in Major League Baseball.

      Houston has one of the youngest teams in the game, and are not knocking the doors down. That, and 2018 is a long ways away in Baseball years. Dellin Betances and David Robertson will be over 30 by then, and then you got to trade them. See how that works?

      • John Cee

        So true, Gonzo. Good is good regardless of age. Young and good is preferable for the long term, but the game is played today. I consider trades on the basis of certainty. For example, a team on the cusp needs now players. That kid MAY be really good in the future, but this older guy IS really good and will help me now.

        • I’m One

          And as has been pointed out, best is when someone can help you today AND the next few seasons.

      • ChrisS

        Houston has also gone through an ownership change and I’m not even sure what the hell their plan is.

        Don’t mistake a team not building a winner out of top prospects for being unlucky. A lot of these owners don’t really give two shits how the team does. They’re in it for the base revenue and massive capital gains when they sell the team after 5-10 years.

        • http://www.twitter.com/_swarlesbarkley Mark Teixeira – Ghostbuster (formerly Drew) RIP Egon

          It really is embarrassing. Houston is a top 5 market in the USA and they are acting like they play in Montana.

          • JohnnyC

            Houston is the 10th ranked media market in the U.S. But your point is valid.

      • http://twitter.com/#!/Clay_Bellinger Clay Bellinger

        “Age =\= inability to play baseball well… Inversely, youth =\= a bright future in Major League Baseball.”

        So incredibly true, yet it’s amazing how many people just don’t grasp this concept.

      • Bo Knows

        That’s because they aren’t trying to, they would be fielding a 15 million dollar pile of crap if the MLB hadn’t forced them to spend money (and they are still fielding a pile of crap just slightly more expensive)

        • The Great Gonzo

          If you listen to anyone who says “Id make EVERYONE older than 30 available and depending on who it is ill even take a pack of gum for them”, then you’d be looking at another pile of crap… only pinstriped.

    • Evan3457

      To be sure, the Cubs have made other moves that have built their farm nicely, and have drafted well later on in drafts.

      But the key guys in their system that were drafted Baez, Bryant, Schwarber and Almora…

      …I’m very impressed with the Cubs ability to draft them with the 9th, 6th, 2nd and 4th picks in the 1st round of their individual draft years.

      Less impressed with their having gone 75-87, 71-91, 61-101, and 66-96 to get those respective draft picks, though.

      ======================================
      OK, that’s a little snarkier than it should be.
      Given the uncertain nature of prospects, the Cubs have done well not to have at least one of those four picks go bust, let alone have all four regarded still as elite prospects. Starting to see a little doubt creep in on Almora lately, though.

    • nycsportzfan

      What? A good team is one that has the right mix of youth and proven older vets. Sometimes the Yanks make the wrong choices in FA’cy, but by all means, I pray they don’t stop getting FA’s all together and just go with players under 30 or they’ll suck..

      Look how quickly the Yanks have put together a very good F.System. Like 3yrs ago, guys like Daniel Brewer were thought of as a prospect and now you got legit guys at almost every position. My point is they have seemingly got a nice formula going, and were right on the cusp of having a nice mix of both FA signings and youth.

      The yanks have a bright future, thats for sure..

  • Chip

    I reiterate that I’d love to take on the Kemp contract as long as Corey Seager was attached to it. If they could get those two while not giving up more than Betances and a catcher then I would be all over it

    • John Cee

      Kemp is a D liability, but can still hit. Health is an issue, but he’s managed to play 95 games this year. The Yanks can use some Offense and if they can land their SS of the future, I’d like the move. Given that Kemp is owed a fair amount of coin through 2019, that should reduce suitors and return for the Dodgers. Given Ramirez’s FA status after this season, I doubt the Dodgers would give up Seager.

      • Chip

        But getting out from under Kemp’s giant contract also means they free up more money to sign Hanley

    • King George

      In what rational world is this possible? Betances and Murphy for Seager and Kemp doesn’t even get you past security.

      • Chip

        Kemp is turning into one of the worst contracts in the league and they have Joc Pederson ready and waiting in AAA who is probably better. Kemp plus Seager is probably a wash when you include the money so getting two guys who would improve their team today while upgrading from Kemp to Pederson seems like a solid move on their part.

      • Rick

        You need to read the fangraphs piece from yesterday. It provides perfect rational for his trade proposal since Kemp’s negative value can be diminished by the inclusion of Seager. You also wouldn’t be giving up Betances and Murphy … you would be giving up a B/C level prospect. (Though Murphy probably fits that bill). Whether the Dodgers would be willing to make such a move is another story. But his trade proposal is exactly what you should do if you were going to take back Kemp.

        • Chip

          I agree that in value the Yankees would be overpaying but I included Betances and Murphy due to the fact that GMs probably care more about talent and getting help now than future value. Also, you’re talking about the Dodgers improving their lineup at their two weakest spots and putting the best middle reliever in the league in their bullpen. Can you imagine having to face Kershaw and Greinke knowing that Betances, Jansen and League are in the bullpen?

        • mitch

          The piece made sense from a value standpoint, but realistically i don’t see something like that happening. The Dodgers have way too much money. Do you think the Yankees would give up Aaron Judge to get Sabathia’s contract off the books?

          • Rick

            I agree with you. It’s a totally theoretical concept. I’m also not a huge advocate of tossing in a great asset to get rid of a bad contract.

          • Chip

            If they traded Judge and Sabathia (who has only 2 years after this left) for say, Tyson Ross (or insert young starter with many years of control left here) and used the savings to sign either Lester or Scherzer in the offseason, then yes I would say do it. Obviously the Padres aren’t taking on Sabathia but I’m saying from a Yankees prospective that I would do it.

            Look at it like you’re the Dodgers, Kemp’s contract might be the difference between keeping Hanley and not this offseason (or Greinke the one after) and you’re improving your already very good team right now with some cost controlled big leaguers.

            • D$1184

              I don’t know if I would waste these precious dwindling hours before the non-waiver trade deadline negotiating for Kemp because there’s a good chance Kemp makes it through waivers, with that contract attached.

              • Chip

                He’ll clearly make it through waivers but the return package would also have to clear waivers and I would imagine the Dodgers would want major league value right now in order to give up Seager

  • John Cee

    FYI: the Larry Fleisher article cited above is blacklisted by google/firefox for passing on badware/malware.

    Just because the AL lEast is so awful, just because the AL is mostly mediocre, just because the Yanks seem to have a chance at the postseason doesn’t mean they should squander resources to patch up this impending train wreck of a team. The pursuit is akin to chasing fools gold.

    I think of last year when the Yanks continued to pretend they had a chance and passed up the opportunity to infuse some talent into their organization by trading Cano. The Yanks won’t do a proper rebuild because a) they’re the Yankees, b) too much $$$ is committed to a few players and c) Jeter’s retirement. At the very least they can try to move their few trade-able assets. For example, what could they get for Robertson/Betances? This pair could make a team like the Dodgers nearly unbeatable and if marketed correctly by Cashman, can land a nice haul.

    Anyway, it won’t happen. The Yanks will finish around .500 and get a mediocre draft slot with no first pick again since they signed Jon Lester or some other aged veteran.

    • I’m One

      Last year was Mo’s final season (and they were in the hunt at the trade deadline), so they also had reason not to punt. Trading away Cano would have taken away their best player and provided only a lottery ticket (and he was only under control for half a season, so who knows what kind of offers they would have/did receive) and would have further alienated Cano, who they did wish to resign (just not for the number of years he wanted).

      This season, they don’t have anyone that would bring anywhere near the type of return Cano would have brought. And again, these young players are lottery tickets. They’re more likely to not contribute at all than they are to actually be a useful piece.

      • John Cee

        Exactly the type of reasoning that will keep the team stuck in a cycle of mediocrity.

        • I’m One

          Because they have icons retiring every year from now till …

          Are you saying they should trade away their older players for younger ones … Oh, nevermind.

    • Chip

      So imagine in this parallel universe we traded Cano for Profar which I think was the big rumor at the time. We would have gotten below average production from Profar the rest of the season and would be sitting here complaining about how this hurt and unproductive dude cost us Cano and that’s why he didn’t resign with the team.

      • John Cee

        Core type talent requires quantity of talent. For example, you basically need 3 top starting pitching prospects to find one quality MLB starter. While I’m not retro-advocating a Cano for Profar swap, the team needs an influx of quality, young talent for future success. Keeping Cano for the remainder of 2013 accomplished exactly nothing.

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

        All while the same people telling us Profar was the next can’t-miss guy moved on to telling us how it’s now Bogaerts….and Pederson….and whoever else. Jurickson who?

    • Bret The Hitman

      One guy they could have traded at the deadline last year was Kuroda. It would not have eliminated them from contention and they could have reloaded the farm.

      This year, Robertson is that guy. Removing him from the bullpen and reloading would not make the team implode any more than it is. Betances-Warren is a solid 1-2 punch in the late innings.

      But the Yankees don’t have a track record of strategic selling. It’s always light buying in-season and big fish hunting via free agency. Cashman has only engineered a handful of blockbuster deals in the past decade.

      I don’t expect much.

      I expect Danks at the deadline and Lee on the waiver wire if they’re still in it.

      • Rick

        Who are you getting in return for Robertson that would enable us to “reload.” If you haven’t noticed, relievers who are impending free agents don’t fetch much.

        • Chip

          Street got you basically Rob Refsnyder and Dellin Betances but he had a year and a half of control. So basically, not much at all

          • Rick

            Street did not get Betances in return. That’s really reaching.

            • Chip

              Doesn’t Alverez have closer upside with a giant fastball/slider combo? I know he’s in AA so it isn’t a direct comparison so maybe 2 years ago Mark Montgomery?

            • Jorge Steinbrenner

              Especially since I saw him in the Yankee dugout last night.

      • Nick M

        Warren is not Robertson. Trading Robertson would greatly weaken the team down the stretch and in the postseason.

        • Chip

          And Warren wouldn’t replace Robertson. Jose Ramirez would replace Robertson

          • Jorge Steinbrenner

            And, potentially, wouldn’t replace him very well.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      The AL East being up for grabs due to mediocrity is exactly the reason why you DON’T punt.

      You don’t need a team that looks the part. You only need the last team standing.

      Falling short last season didn’t make it less worth doing at the time.

      Choose happiness.

      • John Cee

        The continual chasing of fool’s gold hurts the team and fan happiness in the not too distant future.

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          What exactly is “fool’s gold” here?

          Do you not agree that the initial goal should be just getting to the playoffs, and then letting things play out from there? How anyone could, other than the most spoiled of fans, think otherwise is beyond me. You have actual evidence of flawed teams who overachieved and made it further than anyone thought they would.

          Choose happiness.

  • http://www.twitter.com/_swarlesbarkley Mark Teixeira – Ghostbuster (formerly Drew) RIP Egon

    I don’t see the Yankees picking up a front of the rotation starter at the moment. Hamels and Price just aren’t happening and if they trade for Cliff Lee it won’t be until August. Danks would help since he is better than Capuano but man this team needs a front of the rotation starter badly.

    • Kosmo

      ain´t happening unless the Yanks FO unloads the farm system which I don´t see happening. At this point in time the Orioles are getting by on mid-rotation SPing why can´t NY ?

      • http://www.twitter.com/_swarlesbarkley Mark Teixeira – Ghostbuster (formerly Drew) RIP Egon

        The Orioles offense is carrying them more than their pitching. The Yankees have a worse offense and about the same starting pitching. At this point unless the Yankees bring in a true impact bat, the offense is going to rely on McCann, Beltran, Teixeira, Headly to drive guys in. The offense isn’t going to get substantially better. This is why the rotation help is so critical right now.

        • Kosmo

          I agree about an impact bat but the Orioles have better SP post Tanaka.

    • Chip

      Where do you get one though? The Rays and Red Sox probably aren’t giving you Lester or Price and nobody better than a number 3 is on the market right now. All they can do is wait and pray for Tanaka to come back

      • The Great Gonzo

        If Lester wasn’t Boston’s Lester, I am positive he’d already be in New York, FWIW. But them’s the breaks

  • ChrisS

    From the Fleisher article:
    Cashman said he had been trying to get Headley for three weeks years and that …

    FIFH.

  • Kosmo

    I´d like to see NY make a play for Dallas Keuchel, who is reported to be available,or the Rocks DeLaRosa/or Bret Anderson or Wade Miley.

    • Chip

      Man Dallas Keuchel would look great in the rotation but talk about a guy who could just completely flame out. If Houston gets a top prospect for him, which is the only way they should give him up, then props to their GM for selling at will almost certainly be his highest point

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

        Yeah. I’m wary of Houston starters.

        • Chip

          Yep, he could be the next Wandy Rodriguez or Bud Norris. Wasn’t Lucas Harrel good for one season too?

  • http://twitter.com/matt__harris Matt :: Sec109

    Wonder if Cashman and other GMs use emojis?

    • http://twitter.com/#!/Clay_Bellinger Clay Bellinger

      +1

    • Nick M

      The Phillies recently leaked several text messages. Here’s the interesting one…..

      “Cashman: Cervelli 4 Lee? ;)
      Amaro: LOL”

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      Only the higher-ups, such as Randy Levine, although it wouldn’t surprise me if Jack Z did.

  • King George

    I would take Viciedo in RF and think he could be a nice addition for now and for the future, given that he’s cost controlled for another 4 years after this season…that said, I shudder to think what Cash would have to give up for him. Now maybe if NYY took back Danks at full salary, it lessens the price for Viciedo since it becomes a $ dump? Not sure…

    • Chip

      I don’t understand the love for Viciedo. He’s never hit for more than average power, is already almost too slow for the outfield at 25 and doesn’t walk much. Besides being right handed, what does he have over Zoilo Almonte?

      • http://twitter.com/#!/Clay_Bellinger Clay Bellinger

        Agreed. I don’t see the interest in Viciedo.

      • King George

        Ehhhh, yeah. Maybe you’re right. I see your points.

      • The Great Gonzo

        I think its Xavier Nady Syndrome… The sexy name and perceived value is more than the actual ballplayerness.

    • Kosmo

      Viciedo is terrible ballplayer. NO no no.

    • Old Man Time

      Look at Viciedo’s numbers this year then look at Beltran’s this year.

  • Vern Sneaker

    For sure it’s not build with prospects/bring in from the outside as an either-or proposition. The late 90s/early 00s team was built not just with the core from within but included Clemens, Cone, O’Neill, Tino, Brosius, Knoblauch, Strawberry, and lots of other pieces from outside. You’ve got to make smart moves of all kinds and it takes more than the two years I’d say we’ve just experienced (last year and this year). The key is to decide that you’re actually doing a total rebuild, not just patching holes.

    • http://twitter.com/#!/Clay_Bellinger Clay Bellinger

      “The late 90s/early 00s team was built not just with the core from within but included Clemens, Cone, O’Neill, Tino, Brosius, Knoblauch, Strawberry, and lots of other pieces from outside.”

      So true and often forgotten.

      They haven’t done all that much lately to prevent a rebuild though. They just don’t really have major league ready prospects to plug in, nor do they have nice pieces to trade for them.

      • Vern Sneaker

        Right. A difficult situation because of the dearth of prospects in AA and AAA. As a rebuild I see Tanaka (here’s hoping!),Robertson, Betances, Gardner, McCann, and Ellsbury as the pieces to build around (+ a maybe in Pineda) from the current roster. For me they’re untouchable right now. An awful lot to needs, though.

    • I’m One

      Right. The key is smart decisions. There have been some pretty terrible ones (the A-Rod re-sign stands out, of course) but it seemed the Yankees were being more careful by not giving Cano 10 years. Then they signed Ellsbury for 7. Not sure that was the right move, but in previous years, giving Robbie 10 would have been a no-brainer.

      It seems they’re being more careful, but only time will tell if they make the best decisions.

      • Chip

        To me, Ellsbury is just Johnny Damon with better defense. Signing Damon to a 7 year contract when he was 30 would have been a steal so I’m not completely against it. Also, if we don’t resign A-Rod, we probably don’t win in 2009 right? I think we most likely could have gotten him for more like 8 years rather than 10 but we probably all thought that about Cano too

        I think the clearly bad move was to sign Beltran this offseason. I understand the thinking in that we needed the offense but getting a 37 year old outfielder with bad peripherals was pretty unlikely to work out.

  • Rick

    LOL – Bowden wants the Yanks to trade Severino and DB Jr. to the Rox for De La Rosa. Then follow that up and send Abi Avelino to the Twins for Willingham.

    This guy is must read comedy.

    • Nick M

      There might be a reason Bowden is no longer an MLB GM…

      • http://twitter.com/#!/Clay_Bellinger Clay Bellinger

        This is what I think everytime he has some dumbass idea. His texts would be pretty funny these days.

        • I’m One

          This is what I think everytime he has some dumbass idea opens his mouth or writes an opinion.

          FTFY

        • Chip

          Did you read the Astros leaked files? They apparently all live in worlds where every one of their prospects is a future superstar and every minor trade should allow you to retool your entire farm system

          • http://twitter.com/#!/Clay_Bellinger Clay Bellinger

            I did. It was good shit.

  • Jack

    The 32nd pick in last year’s draft is having the 2nd best season among all batters selected in last year’s draft (1st rounders).

    The 33rd pick in last year’s draft is also having the 2nd best season among all pitchers selected in last year’s draft (1st rounders).

    Who says the Yanks can’t draft.

    http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs.....-rounders/

    • Rick

      Jagielo is at 9. Not too shabby either.

    • http://twitter.com/#!/Clay_Bellinger Clay Bellinger

      Wow, look at Kris Bryant just destroying the upper levels.

      • Chip

        Kris Bryant is just playing a video game at this point. If he can tap into his full power in the big leagues and learn to keep the strikeouts down, he’s going to be the best power hitter of his generation

        • http://twitter.com/#!/Clay_Bellinger Clay Bellinger

          I knew he was doing well, but I didn’t realize he was killing it like this. Unreal.

        • Rick

          That is an extremely bold statement.

          • Chip

            Kris Bryant is an extremely bold hitter. 22 year olds with a .326 ISO in AAA don’t come around very often

            • Rick

              I’m just going to let him know that he owes you some $$ if that holds true. You would’ve been one of the first to deem it possible.

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          Easy there, champ.

  • Wayne

    I would not give up Luis Severino just based on the possibility he could get hurt.
    I know i Have often been leary about prospects getting hurt.
    But Luis Severino is 20 years old and is in aa.
    To give him up now would be a shame. He has three pitches and is showing signs he could come up sooner rather than later or eventually. He throws above 95.
    I just don’t get how fans on this blog can want to give up on this guy.
    It is almost like they are comparing him to Iván Nova.
    Nova did not really Have a chanegeup and three mostly breaking balls and fastballs and had no changeup like Luis Severino which is a great dominant pitch for him.
    Very few starters can be great without having the changeup to go along with the rest of their pitches and not just an average changeup used occasionally but a dominant one used off the fastball which Severino throws very hard. This us because a starters breaking ball doesn’t always work on a bad day so therere is nothing coming off the fastball and the hitter can sit on the heat coming at them. Yes there are exceptions but you are more likely to develope dominant starter with that chanegeup and fastball combination.
    Plus Luis locates all his pitches so he has control.
    Really think yankees will regret giving this guy up. He is a star in the making.
    Good Luck Luis Severino wherever you end up.
    I would have loved to follow your career as a yankee.
    Or how my spanish teacher would say “Buena suerte caballero, que dios te cuide”.
    That means Good Luck gentleman may God take care of you!
    I learned a little spanish in high school from my spanish teachers .

    • Colombo

      Did I miss something? Did Cashman trade Severino in secret and tell no one but Wayne?

      • mitch

        not yet, but after trading Nuno and Solarte it’s pretty clear all of their top prospects are as good as gone

        • Chip

          We’re going to have an unfillable hold for years now that they gave up Solarte. I just don’t understand such a short sighted move

        • Greg

          Are you seriously considering Vidal Nuno and Yangervis Solarte as “top prospects”?

          • Jorge Steinbrenner

            Check the batteries on your sarcasm meter.

    • Chip

      You know what would be great? If he threw with his left hand. Wait a second, didn’t the Yankees have a dude who was 20 years old in AA, had a great changeup and hit the mid to upper 90s? What happened to him again?

    • Scott

      First off scouts have indicated Severino needs a third pitch, so I don’t know what 3 pitches he is throwing.

      Second of all Joba and Hughes (especially Hughes) had better numbers at this point in their minor league careers than Severino.

      I’m not saying Severino isn’t good but stop hyping him like he is Cy Young. He needs a lot of work in the minors before you will see him in NY. He also needs more than a month in AA before I get too excited. If the Yanks can get the right trade in return for him, I would give him up. Someone like Price or Hamels, I would trade Severino faster shit.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      Trading a young player does not necessarily equate to giving up on him.

      Otherwise, solid trolling here. Ten points to Wayne.

  • King George

    Quick question: Does anyone here believe the Yankees will trade for Tulo after season’s end? And if so, what do you think the trade package would look like?

    I’d say Tulo for Betances, Severino, Judge, Murphy, and Gamel.

    • I’m One

      I think there’s a chance they do. And he seems to be on his way out based on the Colorado media (I live in CO). Not sure what the package will need to be, but I’m sure it would hurt and your suggestion definitely hurts!

      • King George

        I mean, it hurts to type it! But I think something in that ballpark is going to be needed to do that trade. Tulo, when healthy is a top 7 player in the game IMO. I also think that if the Yankees get Tulo, we could see a drastic improvement in the lineup productivity. The offense would improve to the days of the 09 team when you add him to the current offense (Ichiro and Roberts aren’t going to be on the roster next year).

        • Chip

          I agree that your package would be painful to give up but the upside is unreal. I suppose that I would accept that for him but that’s the definition of emptying the farm. If he keeps getting hurt, it could be a long couple of years

          • I’m One

            And that’s clearly the risk with Tulo. Yeah, getting 120 games of him and 42 of Ryan (or the equivalent) would be great, but which 120 games are you getting? He could be injured when you really need him (like the playoffs). Or, he may change his conditioning and play 140 – 150 games for the remainder of his contract (unlikely, but possible).

        • http://twitter.com/#!/Clay_Bellinger Clay Bellinger

          Yup. It would cost a whole bunch. I’d consider him top 3 with Trout and Miggy.

        • Vern Sneaker

          This is an example of a trade I would not do in the context of thinking about every move in the context of a total rebuild towards a championship. Tulo is too injury-prone to give up that haul, IMO. Betances is a key piece of that rebuild. You’d only have to replace him somehow and that wouldn’t be easy, he is that good. Severino and Judge are two of the very few prospects we have that I consider unwise to move. We have a big outfield hole to fill, and lots of SP needs. Sure it’s hard to know how to project, but that’s why they pay the GM the big buks, right? We’re only mere RAB commenters (lol).

          • Chip

            Betances is actually the easy part of that package for me. We seem to find middle relievers who dominate under every rock so no big deal. Judge and Severino are the tough pieces but I’ve learned to take big league production now over prospect hugging

            • Vern Sneaker

              I don’t agree that Betances is a “middle reliever” who is “no big deal.” He’s a stud set-up/closer type with outrageous stuff and, more importantly, a key piece of a rebuild that has to go position to position towards winning a championship. I’m not a prospect hugger, in fact quite the opposite — I’ve been watching Yankees prospects wash out for decades and always assume nearly everyone will. But you’ve got to make difficult judgments about who to hold onto and I think Severino and Judge are the real deal. We’ll have to agree to disagree on that.

              • I’m One

                I don’t see a reliever (any reliever) as a key building block. Betances is just as likely to implode next season as he is to remain this productive over the next 3 – 5 seasons.

                Severino & Judge, however, could be those building blocks.

                • Chip

                  Exactly. Betances is basically Daniel Bard of a few seasons ago. You could make a long list of relievers who came up with 100 mph fastballs and wipeout breaking pitchers who dominate for a season or two and then flame out

              • King George

                10 months ago, people on here and reporters on Twitter were saying he was a failure in the system and openly questioning if Betances would make the team this year because he was out of options. Let’s not make it seem like Betances was some highly prized blue chip prospect. He wasn’t. In a blunt way, he was found money. To not include him in any deals because he’s a “stud” or a “closer to be” is nonsense. His productivity is great, but we all need to look at him as what he is. A player who the Yankees have great value in, when it wasn’t expected.

                • Jorge Steinbrenner

                  Betances could have easily been DFA fodder this season. hard to believe now.

                  • King George

                    Exactly! That’s why I find it so strange that now people want to hug and hold onto him. He’s an asset and a trade chip now, they’ve seen a huge ROI on Betances. Use it if it means saving another developing player in the minors. Just my thought.

                  • Chip

                    He could also be DFA fodder next season if his new-found control disappears

                    • Jorge Steinbrenner

                      I think the chances of that diminish every day.

                      Do I sell high on him? Perhaps. The more I see him, the harder it gets to justify. I’ll tell you that.

                      I agree with what King George is saying above, but I also think the level of performance he’s at right now is nothing to sneeze at.

                    • Chip

                      O for sure, I don’t EXPECT it to happen but it’s a possibility. He could also regress a bit and go on to be only a dominant reliever rather than this otherworld freak that he is now. Either way, I’ll give up an All-Star reliever for an All-Star position player any day

            • tar

              Chip

              What happened to trying Betances as a starter in the off-season? Or is he back to being a “no big deal, middle relieving, failed starter” ?

              I think anybody trading for Betances is going to look at him as a starter, not just a reliever. Well at least the smart GM’s will look at it that way. I think the relief part, at least from another organization would be the fall back position.

              Upside front line starter… downside elite reliever.

              • Chip

                Betances was tried as a starter for what, 6 years? He’s even said that pitching more frequently helps his control out rather than ever 5 days. I think we’re at the fallback position now and should accept that he’s just an amazing reliever. You also have to keep in mind that he’s out of options (or does he have one left this year?) so you can’t afford to screw him up and send him back to AAA

                • tar

                  First it was failed starter, then you would try him as a starter in the off season, now it’s back to the failed starter nonsense.

                  I guess today “failed starter” is the position du jour.

                  • Chip

                    When did I say I would try him as a starter? I don’t recall having that opinion. I guess I wouldn’t put it past them to attempt it but you’re playing with fire if you do

                    • Jorge Steinbrenner

                      He’s the one who actually said “failed starter.”

                      #projection

                    • tar

                      Seriously Chip? Ok I’ll chalk it up to you don’t remember.

                      What didn’t make sense Mr. Jorge?

                      As for your projection BS, Chip and I have discussions on Betances in the past. His “lazy” “failed starter” argument was the same as your “lazy failed starter” dumb argument. Difference being he changed his tune and said he would try Dellin as a starter in ST… you ready to change your tune as well?

                    • Jorge Steinbrenner

                      I haven’t the foggiest of clues what you’re talking about. You must have been keeping much closer tabs on some conversation, at some point, than I was.

                  • Jorge Steinbrenner

                    That just made zero sense.

    • Will in NJ

      I personally don’t think that package gets it done. I think we need to get some perspective on Severino/Judge. Yes, they are our 2 best prospects. But compared to all of baseball, Severino is a borderline top-50 guy who just got to AA and Judge is only a borderline top-100 guy still in A+ (using the most recent midseason 2014 prospect lists from BP, BA, Mlb.com, sickels etc). I doubt the Rockies accept that deal for Tulo

      • mitch

        Agreed. I don’t think you’re getting Tulo without giving up a major league ready, blue chip prospect. Hopefully Severino and or Judge reach that level next year, but they’re not there yet

      • King George

        Well, you need to provide some context and arguments for these rankings. Severino is a borderline top-50 guy because this is his legitimate first full season in the minors. After this season, I’d bet my car he’s in the top 25-30 *IF* he continues this trajectory. He’ll be in AAA next year. As far as Judge, I’m not sure what rankings you’ve seen. He’s 45 on Keith Law’s midseason list and an article on Fangraphs had Judge at 56. So not really top 100. Sure, those other sites you listed may have him in the top 100, but MLB is laughable in their rankings and many of them still think the Yankees have a bottom 5 system. I’ll take Law’s rankings.

        One other thing to consider when you say you doubt the Rockies will do that deal…not a lot of teams have the financial flexibility to pay for Tulo through 2020. Additionally, it’s been said the Rockies will likely grant Tulo the honor of choosing a team he wants to be traded to (it’s in Heyman’s article from yesterday).

      • Chip

        I do unfortunately agree with you. The thing is, what would you actually take as the Rockies? I would want 2 above average young major leaguers just to start the conversation. Kyle Seager and Taijuan Walker? Gregory Polanco and Jameson Taillon?

        I just don’t know if they could get enough in return to trade him but they’re terrible so keeping him is also probably not the best use of resources.

      • Mike HC

        If I’m the Rockies I would definitely aim for a more can’t miss type prospect, but if I can’t get that, the above offer provides a lot of upside and immediate production. As for the Yanks, gutting a huge percentage of our best young talent for one guy is probably not the best strategy at this point. We have too many holes to fill and not enough salary flexibility to make moves like this.

    • Mike HC

      Tulo is good, and I would trade a lot for him, but I think you have to take into account that he plays half his games in Colorado. At home this year his triple slash is .417/.497/.748. That is just stupid. On the road he is at .257/.364/.447. Then add in the fact he has been injury prone, has a huge contract, and will be 30, and I just think your offer is too much. The Rockies may want something like that considering we don’t have one can’t miss, top 10 guy, but it is just giving up too much.

      • Chip

        You have to consider that on the road he spends most of his time playing in Petco, Dodger Stadium and ATT Park. He’s still got a 126 wRC+ on the road and dominates like nobody has a right to at home. Last season he put up a .281/.352/.498 line on the road so he’s not a product of Coors.

        You’re talking about getting a legit 5 win player who is smack dab in the middle of his prime, plays gold glove defense, hits for power, hits for average, and hits lefties and righties. All of this you get for only trading a reliever (sure a dominant one) off your major league team. If anything, his proposal is a bit light

        • Mike HC

          Fair enough. It does seem like you can easily argue in either direction so props to King George for putting out a great conversation starter. But how much more do you think we would have to add to that to make it a fair deal? Sanchez too?

          • Chip

            I think its the quality and not the quantity that’s the problem. I mean, it took Addison Reed to get Shark. Sure Samardzija has been good, not great, the past two years but he can’t hold a candle to the player that Tulo is. Also, you’re talking about a year and a half of the Shark vs many years of reasonable control over Tulo. Like I said above, I honestly just don’t think they have the one guy that could make this work and I would really want two young above average major leaguers if I were them.

            That being said, the Rockies are run by idiots so who knows what’ll happen

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      I think there will be conversations.

      I also think you just drastically overpaid for him.

      Severino/Sanchez/Austin. Anything more, and he can stay where he is.

      • Chip

        Getting him for Severino/Sanchez/Austin is an absolute steal. I’d even throw either Betances or Murphy in that deal and still be very very happy with myself.

        I’m secretly hoping for Cashninja to strike and somehow get him without giving up either Severino or Judge. I guess we all need our wet dreams

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          Sanchez and Murphy would be redundant. I don’t see the need to include Dellin there.

          Perhaps it’s a steal, and perhaps I’d only be interested in him as a steal. :)

          • Chip

            That’s fair. I can’t imagine if they offered Dellin/Severino/Sanchez/Austin that they wouldn’t get outbid

            • Jorge Steinbrenner

              There’s a good case made above by King George to include him.

  • Jedua

    The trouble is that a couple of years gives you no security to have a great farm system or even good prospects. Just look at the cubs, they been bad for many years and they don’t have a good pitching prospect close to mlb. Or the Astros that have botched two first round picks in three years, rebuilding does not guarantee anything, there is teams like the cardinal or even the damn sox that haven’t had a rebuild in years and have the good system, and teams that rebuild for years and haven’t made progress whatsoever (padres, royals, mariners)

    So don’t tell me two bad years get us the 2018 World Series

  • Cbg22381

    I have a genuine question for anyone who feels like answering: would it not be better at this point to bring Ellsbury back to his natural spot in the batting order at lead-off and bat Gardner third? Commentators are making all of these jokes about “power hitter Brett Gardner” hitting all these home runs. Well, maybe. Players do change, and I think Girardi’s binder is playing Gardy to who he was in the past rather than the guy he has evolved into. His stats this season look a little more like (a poor man’s) Paul O’Neal, and he batted third. Sure, he isn’t A superstar, but on this team he is clearly more than just a sideshow (and he is one of the few players who makes the team interesting to watch). I just think with the lack of offense, maybe it is time to play Gardy for who he is now rather than who he was when he first came up. Any thoughts?

    • I’m One

      I think shaking up the lineup a bit at this point is a good thing and this suggestion (which has been made before) is as good as any. However, Gardner has no where near the power that O’Neill had. That said, he’s probably a better fit for the 3-hole than Ellsbury right now.

    • Chip

      I think its more important to get Jeter out of the top of the lineup. I would go Ellsbury/Gardner/Teix/McCann/Beltran/Headley/Jeter/Roberts/Ichimonte but we all know that’s not happening. Sure would be nice to get the double play machine out of the way before the big hitters come up though

  • Wayne

    No way you give up Luis Severino and Aaron Judge for Troy Tulowitzki.
    He is thirty years old going on hip surgery and is owed over 100 million for the next six years ?
    Are you serious?
    Your top starting pitching prospect and top position prospect for Troy?
    Gm’s should get fired for making trades like that.
    Shit if your going to trade Luis Severino and Aaron Judge make it for Giancarlos Stanton or Félix Hernández in the future or a few years from now not Troy.
    That trade will be the beginning of our farm system being thrown away!
    If that happens Troy will hit a few homeruns and then be hurt for the rest of his contract or most of it.
    That means we will have been mugged by the stickup kids! Stickup kids stickup kids stickup kids Stickup kids!!!!
    That is a

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      Ten more points to Wayne.

      Hell, fifteen for “stickup kids” and leaving us hanging.

    • King George

      Less coffee!

    • Chip

      Hey Fred, look at this farm system that I found. Somebody threw it away and just left it here. Hurry and hide it or the Stickup kids are going to mug us!

  • Wayne

    Fact!

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      Five more points. Up to thirty for the day.

      • Scott

        I’m am seriously laughing out loud at work.

  • J Katlak

    Tigers and Angels are way better run than the Yanks and in my eyes are the best run teams in the AL. These teams know how to develop guys and have a lot guys with a high IQ at the plate something the Yanks have mostly lacked at the plate over the last several years even during the most recent good years in my mind. I mean the Yanks don’t have JD Martinez or Trout or Kole Calhoun. Unless the Yanks start developing guys like these, I see these teams being better offensive teams than the Yankees and better teams in general for the foreseeable future. The Tigers are the perfect model to look at. They knew Fielder was is in his 30s so they got rid of him and their offense has not missed a beat. Difference between the Tigers and Yanks is that the Tigers take risks and the Yanks don’t and that’s why the Tigers are the better team in my eyes. Just watch Castellanos will be better than Headley next year at age 23.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      The Angels massively misfired on so many big-money deals that I have no clue how anyone can take that seriously.

      I will always tip my hat to Dave Dombrowski. Best executive there is.

      • Farewell Mo

        Pretty much every team that signs players to big money contracts has made several massive mistakes.

        Pujols and Hamilton for the Angels, Tex, Arod, CC, Beltran for the Yankees, Kemp and Eithier for the Dodgers, Prince Fielder and in a few years Cabrera for Detroit, Crawford and Agon for the Red Sox, etc.

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          Detriot was able to rid themselves of Fielder and, come on now, we’re not predicting future mistakes here. That’s not the purpose of the exercise. At this point as well, Fielder is more Texas’s mistake than Detroit’s.

          Beltran wsa a mistake. At 3/45, it’s not a mistake on the level of some of the others contract-wise. I disagree with Tex and the initial CC deal being mistakes. Vehemently. If you want to give back your 2009 ring, you be my guest.

          I also thought, off the top of my head, of Gary Matthews Jr. for the Angels.

          • Farewell Mo

            The CC extension was a definite mistake, not the initial 2009 contract.

            Just because Boston and Detroit found someone to take terrible contracts off their hands doesn’t absolve them either. Crawford/Agon and Fielder were just terrible contracts.

            I’m also more than confident that we’ll be taking about Miggy and Pujols in a few years as the 2 worst contracts in baseball.

            • Jorge Steinbrenner

              Pujols will be terrible. I’m convinced Migs could hit .300 in a wheelchair.

              • Chip

                If healthy, Miggy will continue to hit but who knows how long that’ll last. Even A-Rod still hits when he’s healthy

        • Chip

          Tex has put up 16 WAR thus far over the life of his contract while Pujols might not put that up over his entire contract. Also, they’re currently the same age and Tex is only signed through 2016 while Pujols to much bigger money until 21 and they’re both the same age. So yeah, not even in the same league there.

          Rodriguez was a horrible contract but at least he was still a star for the few first years of it. CC was an ace for the first 4 years of his contract as well.

          • Farewell Mo

            Tex has put up 15.3 fWAR and has been paid about $135 million so far. When all is said and done, it’s likely to have costed the Yankees about $10 million per fWAR.

            While not terrible, also hardly what I’d consider good value.

            CC’s extension, Arod, Beltran are also bad contracts though likely not as hideous as Pujols agreed

            • Chip

              Sure, it’s not a great value but its a value they can live with. You’re going to be talking $20 million per fWAR with the Pujols contract over a longer period of time

    • Chip

      The Angels? Really? I mean, come on.

      I do give the Tigers props for making sneaky good trades over the past few years. The Prince fielder trade was incredible work after making such a terrible signing. If the Angels trade away the Pujols contract and get a solid major league player for him then we can talk about how well they’re run.

      Also, you have to consider that the Tigers lost a bunch and are benefiting from those draft picks. Andrew Miller and Cameron Maybin turned into the best hitter in baseball and both Castellanos and Verlander were early first round picks as well. I mean, props to them for developing and trading them well but they had a ton of talent to work with too.

    • Old Man Time

      Yeah, the fact the Angel’s farm system is ranked dead last really illustrates their ability to develop talent.

    • King George

      This is so terribly wrong. If the Angels were run better, explain how they literally have the worst farm system in the league? They gave up 4 of their top 6 prospects for Huston Street. Get out of here. This year and next year are, in all likelihood, the last good years for the Halos in a while. Why? They pillaged their farm system and have 7 years of Pujols, 4 years of Hamilton, 3 years of Wilson, 3 years of Weaver left. That’s a LOT of $ tied up in players older than 33. Just saying.

      • Chip

        Well there is something to be said for going for it but overall, yeah

        • King George

          Agreed, IF you have the ammo to do it within the farm system. If you have depth, by all means. Mortgaging the future (and let’s be real clear here, that’s what they did) has almost never worked out. It can be a disaster. See: current Phillies.

          • Chip

            Remember when the Angels were going to have the best infield in the game for years? It was supposed to be Brandon Wood, Eric Aybar, Howie Kendrick and Morales and they were all expected to be all stars. Those sure were the days

            • King George

              Yup! Brandon Wood. And I just read he flamed out in indy ball. Got cut from an indy ball team, how crazy is that? And then they had Matt Sweeney who was thought to be the prospect of the future, before dealing with a drug addiction. What could have been…

    • Old Man Time

      You praise Detroit for trading Prince, but you fail to criticize them for the signing in the first place? Don’t forget they essentially paid $76M for 2 seasons of Prince and 6.7 total war.

    • Scott

      So they Angels didn’t develop Trout or Calhoun. Those guys were born great ball players and the Angels were in position to draft them.

      Great players are not “developed”. Solid major leaguers are developed. DJ was not developed.

      The Yanks don’t take risks?? What about trying to gamble on Brackman. The drafted Gerrit Cole, taking a risk because there wsa thought he wouldn’t sign. Guess what he didn’t.

      For every example you make, I can counter. All baseball teams take risks to varying degrees. All baseball teams sign bad contracts. All baseball teams have some unusual success with a player that has no business producing and all baseball teams have failed miserable at signings and risky moves. The Angels have made some absolutely horrible moves.

      Detroit looks good right now, good for them and Dombrowski is a good GM. But lets not make over statements.

      • J Katlak

        I’m talking about risks in terms of giving guys a job on the major league level. Kole Calhoun and Trout were risks to play when they were firs given a job on the major league level because of the unknown of how they would perform on the major league level. This Yankees teams doesn’t ever want to take a risk and the one risk they did take with Solarte they gave up on him, even though many other guys were slumping on the major league roster for the Yanks for an extended period this year.

        And sure there are risks to bad contracts, but I know as a fan I wouldn’t really care if the system was producing a few position players.

        • Old Man Time

          So this diatribe boils down to the fact you have a burr in your ass over Solarte.

          • Jorge Steinbrenner

            I laughed. A lot.

  • CMed21

    What would it take the Yankees to get Asdrubal? He can play 2nd base and hope that coming to play in Yankee Stadium can get him going like it so far has for Headley. Willingham could also be had really cheap for RF, and with those 2 this Yankees team could actually look like a major league lineup. Nothing special, but a lot better than what we’ve got right now.

    • King George

      I was thinking about this the other day. Really good idea…he has to be much, much better than Brian Roberts, no?

  • Frank

    At minimum, Yanks need to acquire a back up first baseman. The days of McCann masquerading as one have to end.

    • HansDavenport

      McCann really isn’t a 1st baseman. But he does play one on TV.

  • Chip

    I hope they scrap the comp picks soon. That plus the second wild card have made the trade deadline pretty boring

  • J Katlak

    Angels may be ranked last in terms of the farm system, but tell me what has that done to stop them from developing position prospects over the last few years? What does it matter if they are last when they have already developed Trout, Calhoun, not to mention Cron who in my opinion is actually exceeding expectations for a rookie would be in his first year when you consider most expect a rookie to have a falling off a cliff type season which Cron hasn’t? Even if the Yankees farm system was ranked last we wouldn’t be saying anything if the Yanks were developing guys like Calhoun and Trout. Plus the Angels get a pass for the bad contracts of Hamilton and Pujols because they have guys like Calhoun, Trout, and Cron. Ranking doesn’t mean anything if you’ve developed guys in recent years, something the Yanks haven’t despite having a high ranked system.

    • Chip

      Let’s just agree that Trout is a once in a lifetime fluke and wasn’t developed but more just discovered.

      Cron is Mike Trumbo part 2. Good power, doesn’t walk and strikes out a ton and is currently relying on a 28% line drive rate to keep his BABIP fairly high. I will give you Calhoun.

      The thing is, do you expect any of their current players to get better next season? Trout would be hard pressed to get even better than he is now, Calhoun is already exceeding expectations, maybe Cron has a breakout year but who knows. The point is, there is nobody projected in the next 2 years to be able to cover up regression and/or injury. At least with the Yankees you could squint and see Judge in right field, Sanchez DHing and playing some first, Ref at second and Severino in the rotation

      • JKatlak

        That wouldn’t happen though because the Yanks wouldn’t put Judge in right or DH Sanchez even if there were injuries. They may play for a short time, but in the end Cashman will put them back down in AAA after making a series of band aid trades so it doesn’t really matter if they had depth or not in the system. Everything predicates on the willingness to play young players. If the Yanks had young players producing right now in the system it wouldn’t matter because in the end they’d eventually lose their job to a veteran so there would be no payoff to having a deep system.

        And it’s not true Trout can get better than he is now. Look at his 2013 season, he had a 432 OBP and this year he has got a 390 OBP. And he’s definitely at the age where he can have more seasons where he achieves a 432 OBP, maybe not consistently year by year but definitely more. He’s not like a 34 year old player who is pretty much locked in every year to a 340 OBP with no recourse to ever have seasons to go up by 30-40 points in OBP.

        I definitely think Calhoun can get better. He missed 35 games this year and if he plays close to 162 game we are talking about a 25 homerun guy.

        And I’m sorry but a farm system should be judged based on if players are contributing rather than depth, because injuries can’t be accounted for. If one team’s farm system is more highly touted than another team’s system, then why should the higher touted farm system be rewarded when they haven’t produced anything as far as position players in many years?

        I mean if CJ Cron was on the Yanks, I doubt even without the flashiest numbers in the world he would be pushed to the curve like McCann has and Beltran has this year because of him not being locked yet into a recourse of not being able to get better due to his young age.

        • Chip

          So no matter how good Judge was, he wouldn’t get any sort of shot? You do realize that this team started Solarte for most of the season right? If CJ Cron were on the Yankees, he would most definitely be in AAA because he wouldn’t have a position to play with both Tex and Beltran on the team who are simply better hitters than him right now (Beltran actually hit well in July before you try that argument). Sure, if he was hitting for crazy power and took a walk every now and then they would find a spot for him but let’s not pretend he’s some generational talent.

          And if you want to say that the Angels had a good farm system three years ago, you can make that argument but that doesn’t mean they have any reinforcements coming in the future and thus their current farm is bad. I mean, you can’t judge the Yankees current farm system based on Derek Jeter

    • RetroRob

      Trout wasn’t developed. He was basically ‘hidden’ from a number of teams during his last year at high school where he made huge strides physically. There were only two or three teams who were aware of this, with the Yankees being one and the Angels the other. Most didn’t scout him because of bad weather in the northeast.

      Shortly after signing, he was already regarded as the best prospect in the game, and a potential generational talent. If the Yankees didn’t sign him it was going to be the Yankees, and he’d be same player he is right now. That’s luck of timing.

      Not meant as a knock on the Angels and their development abilities.

      • RetroRob

        If the “Angels” didn’t sign him it was going to be the Yankees.

  • nycsportzfan

    I’m fine not making any more trades but i’ll stick with the one i’ve mentioned for a month now that would interest me most. I feel this way because I don’t think it’d cost the world in prospects and that it’d seemingly help both offense and pitching.

    Jorge De La Rosa and Drew Stubbs. Stubbs has pop and speed and I think would be a better Right hander off the bench then Wheeler or Almonte at this point. De La Rosa has been pretty consistent since 2009 and is a Lefty with no exp in the AL, which I think will benefit him.

    I’d offer Adam Warren, Jake Cave , and Austin Romine.. If they want more, i’d possibly consider upgrading pack to Warren , Cave, and Murphy, all though I love Murph as a prospect.

    • Old Man Time

      You REALLY need to start look deeper into stats. Stubbs has been awful away from home and and his away stats are far more representative of his past/true talent level performance.

      Stubbs ’14 home: .358/.385/.650 vs away: .229/.277/.343

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

        Stubbing my toe > Drew Stubbs.

      • nycsportzfan

        How do you know? Stubbs is still only 29yrs old and it isn’t crazy to think hes just coming into his own. And Stubbs has always had speed and pop, the latter exactly what we need. I know his stats and i’m still willing to make it happen. I think he’d be a nice addition, defensively, on the base paths, and for some RH pop.

        Adding DeLaRosa would be the prize of the trade though.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      I’m starting to get this feeling you want the Yankees to trade for Jorge De La Rosa.

      • nycsportzfan

        Mainly because I like the thought of adding a lefty who can give us inn’s and won’t cost what a top guy like Hamels would cost. I really do like he hasen’t pitched in the AL as well..

  • Chip

    Looks like Lester is about to be traded

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      What are you reading?

      • Chip

        MLBTR, seems to be a matter of where not if he gets moved right now. And really, they’d be silly not to do it as they can still resign him at the end of the season

        • RetroRob

          Won’t happen, though, meaning re-signing him. Once he’s gone, he’s gone. Too much competition on the open market and the Red Sox aren’t inclined to meet his price.

          • Chip

            And really, if he gets 6/150 from somebody, they probably shouldn’t

    • Old Man Time

      Source? I’m not seeing anything substantial.

    • D$1184

      I’m not reading anything is close but I saw the Red Sox want to find a buyer before his start tomorrow night against Toronto. No sense in them running him out there and taking the chance he’ll get hurt.

      • Chip

        I bet he doesn’t make the start no matter what. I mean, even if he just ends up getting pushed back a day or two because they don’t trade him, why risk it?

  • RetroRob

    Without reading the article on trading (because it’s much more fun imagining what’s in the article), GMs are now like teenaged girls, texting each other about which guys they like and don’t like.

  • King George

    Also worth noting, *IF* Lester is traded…I’d say it’s more than a decent guess to expect him in pinstripes next year. No qualifying offer will be attached to him and therefore, the Yankees won’t be giving up a draft pick. Lester being traded before the deadline means the Yankees have a clear shot at him without giving up draft pick compensation. Huge.

    • Chip

      You’re talking about signing a 31 year old dude to a minimum of 6 years and 20 million a year though. Not saying I would hate the move but its no slam dunk

      • King George

        Agree with 100% Chip. But who’s in the rotation next year that is a definitive lock? Phelps? Greene? Who else? CC, can’t rely on him. Pineda, can’t rely on him? Tanaka, likely to be shelved. There is no guarantee at all except the prior mentioned. Lester provides stability, albeit a steep price.

        • Chip

          O, I know what you mean. Right now we’re looking at a rotation of……Phelps/Greene/Sabathia?/Pineda?/????

          Remember how great our rotation looked in the spring? Man, those were the days

  • Charles

    What about Asdrubal Cabrera + Justin Masterson in a combo deal? 2 birds with 1 stone and they’re both free agents after this year.

    • King George

      No on Masterson. If we want to use a pitcher with a 5.50 ERA in our rotation, Chase Whitley is readily available.

    • D$1184

      And no on Caberera. First of all, when was the last time he played second? Second, is he really any better, offensively or defensively, than Roberts? Defensively, I’m tempted to just say “no”. Offensively, I think it’s “eehhhhh, maybe slightly?”

  • mustang

    This trading deadline sucks so far everyone is in on everything, but nothing happening.

  • D$1184

    I know trades between the 2 NY teams are rare but I wonder if Cashman has called the Mets about Murphy? His bat could help turn the line-up over more times in the 7th, 8th hole than Ichiro and Roberts.

    • Chip

      I would hope they don’t bat Murphy 8th if they got him. Dude can straight up mash and is adequate on defense too. Can’t imagine the Mets would give him up cheap. At a minimum they would ask for Judge and probably another outfield prospect. It would undermine the possibility of Refsnyder at second next year though

  • Chip

    Wow, apparently the Rays are convinced they could get Oscar Taveras, Shelby Miller and a comp pick for Price. I would have a hard time saying no to that if I’m the Rays. Having Myers, Taveras and Longoria in the middle of the lineup for the next 5 years is scary

    • King George

      Ehh, I don’t know. The Cardinals were aggressively shopping Miller this offseason. Why would they do that with a cost-controlled arm? No reason to unless there’s a medical or mechanical concern that can’t be fixed much. I think the comp pick would be great and Taveras seems to be a good prospect, but I have my own doubts about going all in with prospects as your every day starters.