Aug
05

Phelps’ injury should push Yankees back into the trade market

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Imagine where the rotation would be without him. (Mike Stobe/Getty)

Imagine where the rotation would be without him. (Mike Stobe/Getty)

With David Phelps hitting the disabled list yesterday, you can make a pretty strong argument the five best starting pitchers in the Yankees organization are out with injuries. Phelps (elbow) joins Masahiro Tanaka (elbow), CC Sabathia (knee), Ivan Nova (elbow), and Michael Pineda (shoulder) on the shelf, which is a nice little staff. It’s remarkable the Yankees are still even remotely in the hunt for a postseason spot with all those guys out.

As of right now, the current rotation is Hiroki Kuroda, Brandon McCarthy, Chris Capuano, Shane Greene, and TBA. Esmil Rogers seems likely to replace Phelps in the rotation, at least until Pineda returns. Pineda made his first rehab start over the weekend, and, from the sound of it, he’ll make two more before rejoining the team. His return is far from a sure thing, of course. He’s already suffered one setback this summer and his rehab from surgery took much longer than expected. Still, Pineda is by far the team’s best hope for pitching help from within in the near future.

The Yankees know for certain Sabathia and Nova are not coming back this year following surgery. Pineda might be ten days away and, if everything goes right, Tanaka will be back in September. He played catch yesterday for the first time since getting hurt — the clip they aired during last night’s game showed he was basically lobbing the ball, a nice reminder of how far away he really is — and still has a long way to go before returning to the rotation. Bryan Mitchell, Chris Leroux, and Bruce Billings are stashed in Triple-A, but none sound particularly appealing.

The trade deadline brought the Yankees upgrades at second base and in right field even though just about every rumor connected them to some kind of pitching. Starters and relievers. They added McCarthy a few weeks ago and continue to pick through the scrap heap with guys like Capuano and Rogers, but that’s it. July 31st is not a hard trade deadline, however, so the Yankees still have an opportunity to add an arm or three through a waiver deal this month as teams fall out of the race. Some teams will inevitably look to shed some salary in the coming weeks. Happens every year.

Before Phelps got hurt, Capuano was the obvious one to go whenever the team acquired another starter. He’s done an admirable job in his two starts but he always seems to be walking a tightrope, and at some point he’ll slip up. The Yankees want to be find an alternative before that happens. But, now that Phelps is hurt though, Capuano is only second in line to be replaced behind the TBA pitcher, Rogers or whoever. They can barely keep their head above water with all these pitching injuries. Just when you think they’re ready to upgrade one spot, someone else goes down.

The rotation is averaging only 5.2 innings per start since the All-Star break and only once have the Yankees gotten seven full innings from a starter in the second half — Kuroda’s outing in Texas last week. Heck, on only three other occasions did they have a starter record even one out in the seventh since the Midsummer Classic I’m usually anti-eight-man bullpen, but the Yankees absolutely need one right now. It’s a necessity, not overkill. The starters aren’t giving the team length and someone has to get those outs. It can’t be the same guys every night.

Of course the Yankees have remained on the lookout for pitching this month and will continue to do so. The injury to Phelps increases the urgency for another arm — hard to believe that’s really possible at this point, they’ve been desperate for an arm for weeks now — and could force the team to be a little more aggressive in trade talks. Maybe that means being more willing to take on salary or give up a better quality prospect. Brian Cashman has shown he can find useful pieces at more than reasonable prices this summer and he has to do it again (and again?) to help the rotation.

Categories : Pitching, Trade Deadline
  • Jorge Steinbrenner

    Yes.

    C’mon, Mike, give us the “available August slop” analysis post. You know you wanna.

    • nycsportzfan

      What do you think we should do JS? I say screw the slop and see what Mitchell/Rodgers/Whitley can do for you.

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

        Really hard to know without an idea of who truly is out there and available.

        I’d be looking at the market for sure over Mitchell/Rogers/Whitley

    • nycsportzfan

      Was Josh Collmenter RHP D’Backs put on waivers? I guess thats one guy I might target as the price shoulden’t be crazy and he might pass through waivers.

  • Doug

    I believe Bruce Billings was released. So he is not an option.

  • Chip Rodriguez

    AJ Burnett’s been placed on waivers by the Phillies.

    Just saying…

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      The Phillies have been placed on waivers by the Phillies.

      Remember, they all go through procedural waivers this time of year just to see who can clear. It means next to nothing.

  • https://twitter.com/KramerIndustry Dr. Martin van Nostrand

    I don’t spy an inverted W in that picture, right? Isn’t that, like, the worst thing your mechanics can have?

    • bpdelia

      That kind of annoys me. Because you know start an inverted W is? It’s called an M.

      Why isn’t it just called an M? ALSO Phelps doesn’t really have it. When people point that out you’ll see he throwing elbow well above the wrist with the elbow at or above the ear. Phelps mechanics are decently solid. Look at someone like strausburg.

  • C.R.9.

    Would love Hamels.

    • Evan3457

      The Phillies would love Judge, Severino, Sanchez and oh, I dunno, Torrens.

  • Brandon McEddardthy

    What are they really going to pick up at this point? Esmil looked good Sunday, he can do the job until Mike Pineda returns. When Pineda returns I’d take either Esmil or Capuano out of the rotation. I wouldn’t take on $20-30 million in salary for the next 2 years just to get a mediocre bandaid.

    Then they’ll have a nice 1-2-3 in McCarthy, Kuroda, Pineda. But they’ll still need a top flight starter like Hiro Tanaka to make a run in the postseason. Greene has been solid.

  • kenthadley

    Coulda had Tommy Milone for almost nothing…Sam Fuld? At this point go with what you have….or give Mitchell his shot.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      Everything I read about Milone had him pegged as an extreme fly ball guy. Hughes potential? Hell, Karstens potential?

  • I’m One

    The starters aren’t giving the team length …

    TWSS

    #tooeasy

    • Rick

      I don’t think it really fits there. (TWSS).

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

        Yeah, there’s a big gap.

        I’ll show myself out.

        • Rick

          I laughed. Honestly though, I really don’t think the first one worked.

  • blake

    Cliff Lee is destined to screw the Yankees…..this time it’s his elbow. Not saying Amaro the terrible would have trade him to the Yanks…..but before he got hurt at least there was that possibility out there of maybe adding an impact starter in August.

    There might be a depth deal they can make and they might need to do that…..but it can’t really think of an impact starter that’ll slip through waivers should Tanaka and/or Pineda not make or back

    • C.R.9.

      Hamels because of his contract?

      • I’m One

        And because Cashman has said he doesn’t want to pay twice (money and prospects). He’d rather wait for free agancy when it’s just the contract cost.

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

        I’m always confused as to the rules around waiver trades. Can you do a multiples-for-one player trade in August? How exactly does this work? Do non-40 man guys have to clear as well?

        I also don’t see how Hamels clears waivers without a claim from someone, limiting what Philly can do.

        It would seem like an August deal on Hamels wouldn’t be ideal for anyone.

        • blake

          It would for lots of teams yes…..so they’ll just pull him back most likely I somebody claims him and wait until the offseason or just keep him

        • C.R.9.

          I think Hamels contract runs through 2017. I’m not sure any team, even the Dodgers, wants to commit to that. I think, and I might be wrong, that he’d pass through waivers in the NL then AL. My hope would be that the Phillies would want to dump his contract & we could give them a low level prospect or two that’s not on the 40 man and doesn’t have to pass through waivers.

          • mitch

            Hamels has 5/118 (including the buyout) left on his deal. He’s the same age as Lester and Scherzer. I think a lot of teams would gladly take that over giving 7/150+ for the other guys

            • Jorge Steinbrenner

              Agreed. I definitely think he’d get claimed. On the off-chance they just let him go, that’s about the equivalent of going out in the FA market this off-season and grabbing a top guy.

              • blake

                That’s why I’m thinking the Cubs would snatch I’m up……or claim him . You add Hamels and then go sign Scherzer or Lester and suddenly the cubbies are ready to contend perhaps or at least a lot closer.

                • Jorge Steinbrenner

                  So the Cubs can just send multiple minor leaguers now over to Philly? According to Eric, that’s what it seems to be.

                  This sort of stuff never really happens this late, though. It’s usually the one-for-one deals. Would I take one guy, even from a solid system like the Cubs’, for Hamels? Not sure.

                  • blake

                    most likely scenario would be that Amaro would ask Theo for Bryant, Baez and his first born…..Theo would say no and then the phillies would pull him back off waivers.

                    That’s the issue with August trades…..if the player is good and it’s not a bad contract then the claiming team is the only team that can be dealt with…..decreasing the leverage for the selling team. Therefore they usually opt to pull back and wait until the winter or the next deadline so that they can involve all the other teams into a bidding war.

                  • nyyankfan_7

                    The big Red Sox – Dodgers deal was an August trade and it involved quite a few players.

                    • Jorge Steinbrenner

                      That was really an August deal? Wow. How quickly we forget.

                      Talk about the stars aligning there.

        • EricVA

          “Can you do a multiples-for-one player trade in August?”

          Yes as long as everyone has cleared waivers.

          “Do non-40 man guys have to clear as well?”

          I don’t believe so but I may be mistaken. Lots of August trades include PTBNL so they can get around the waiver process. The PTBNL would be a prospect or player on the 40 man that wouldn’t clear waivers.

          • Jorge Steinbrenner

            I doubt Philly is willing to deal him for one guy, no matter how good that prospect my be, etc.

            Seems like a pretty long shot for him to move in August.

        • EricVA

          Did some more research. Seems that waivers are ONLY for players on the 40 man roster.

      • mitch

        i think the red sox would definitely claim hamels

        • blake

          I bet the Cubs would first

  • http://Riveraveblues Austinmac

    I read the White Sox were looking to add at the TD, so Danks is probably not moving.

  • CashmanNinja

    I doubt the Phillies let Hamels go for absolutely nothing. Sure they could save some money, but I’m sure they’d have wanted some prospects to at least revamp their farm system. I just can’t see them letting him go for nothing. Lee would have been another story given his age, but not Hamels.

    There’s really going to be some scrap heap pick-ups because I can’t see any big money guy just being let go. A.J. Burnett is probably the biggest name, but teams will be wary because of his option next year. Burnett says he’ll retire…but it’s not a given until he actually declines the option and walks away after the season.

    • mitch

      The Phillies wanted Aaron Judge for Marlon Byrd. I can’t even imagine what they’d ask for Hamels.

      • blake

        Amaro is nuts so yea it’s hard to know…..

  • http://Riveraveblues Austinmac

    Greene looks to me capable of pitching well. He has the stuff, and hopefully this new IF will help.

    • nycsportzfan

      Good point about the IF defense helping him some.

  • blake

    I think someone would claim Hamels and they’d pull him back…..he has a big contract but he’s also good so I think a contender would grab him…..maybe even a non contender that has money like the cubs or Red Sox would

    • Exiledintampa

      I can see a NL team putting in a claim just to block him.

    • MTU

      Danks might make it Blake.

      • blake

        Sure but I’m not sure he’s better than what they have and it’s taking on more money too……Id pass on Danks…..I think you’re taking on too much risk for what he brings to the table

        • http://twitter.com/#!/Clay_Bellinger Clay Bellinger

          He’s sure as hell better than what they have in the rotation now. That being said, he contract sucks so you don’t wanna claim him.

  • blake

    Hamels has a 153 era + this year so while it’s a big contract……it’s hardly a bad one right now.

    • C.R.9.

      I understand that, but the Phillies are not going anywhere anytime soon. So why pay a guy that much money for the next few years for no reason.

      • bpdelia

        Because A) you still need to field a team. B) he’d be the best available starter whenever he is traded and will command a haul. He’s signed, is lefty, is awesome and is in his prime. The contract is even under market rate. If he was a free agent tomorrow he’d get 7 $150 easily. C) the phils are a large market team. Salary relief is pointless if you lose all that savings by making your customers so angry they stop coming to games. D) he is young enough that there is no reason he can’t be a big part of their next contending team.

        Howard you dump for relief (never happen). Byrd. Maybe papplebon. But these guys are valuable pieces that you don’t just dump for nothing, that’s basically the equivalent of saying the Yankees should just give Tanaka away because they aren’t going anywhere for three years.

        Things change fast. You don’t throw away a top shelf pitcher and infuriate your fans to save %9 of your operating costs. No one player moves the needle enough for a big market team to make it worth giving them away.

        And since they asked for absurd returns for Byrd obviously for Hamel’s they’d demand a ridiculous haul. And in that case they’d actually be right in asking for it.

    • http://twitter.com/#!/Clay_Bellinger Clay Bellinger

      This is why he almost certainly wouldn’t even get to us in the waiver line.

  • http://Riveraveblues Austinmac

    Hamels is going nowhere now. Maybe this winter. Amaro is rightly getting killed in the Philly newspapers for doing nothing. Evidently, he believes no one appreciates how many great players his last place team has.

    • MTU

      And rightly so.

      Doesn’t have a clue about the value of his guys.

    • JLC 776

      Exactly. RAJ is delusional and has been for years. There was no doubt that nothing was going to happen at the trade deadline, and there’s no reason to expect anything to happen in August, either.

      Don’t expect anyone from Philadelphia to leave that hopeless trap of a franchise until new leadership takes over.

  • blake

    I actually think the Cubs would claim Hamels and then probably try to trade for him if Philly would……they have tons of money they can spend and Hamels would be a nice piece to build a rotation around…..if you put Hamels and one more good starter on their club then they could be ready to start winning pretty soon if this wave of position players pans out…….clearly the fanbase is getting impatient there

  • TopChuckie

    Hamels probably won’t clear, but if he does, I would take Hamels, Burnett, Howard, and Papelbon from the Phillies in exchange for nothing. Two legit starters to the rotation, Paps to the pen, and let Howard sit on the bench and back up Tex this year, then just cut him and eat his contract. It’s not my money.

    Also, you can’t criticize Cashman for not bringing in a big bat at the deadline. None of the rumored guys moved, Rios, Byrd, Willingham, etc. which indicates the asking prices were too high and Cash was right to pass, as evidenced by the report the Phillies were asking for Judge for Byrd.

    • blake

      That’s a ton of money to take on though and it’s not money that’s going away after the season……they have no use for Howard at all and papelbon isn’t that good anymore……

      • TopChuckie

        They want some pen reinforcements, the death of Papelbon is a bit over stated. I’m not saying make him the closer, just add him to the pen in a pseudo setup role to give Betances and the others some rest.

        The Yanks have the money. I really don’t think there is much limit to what they can spend, only the limits they choose to place on themselves and to advertise they are putting on themselves for appearances. Spend the money in order to hold on to the future (prospects) would be my strategy.

        • TopChuckie

          Plus, while I think Paps is still useful enough, his inclusion was similar to Howard’s, just to motivate the Phillies to let Hamels go for nothing but a reset of their budget, similar to the big Red Sox-Dodgers deal.

          • blake

            you’d be adding 73 million to the 2015 payroll with those 4 players and they don’t even need 3 of them.

          • Scott

            Papelbon said he only wanted to be traded to a team that needed a closer. That is the only role he wants to be in. He is a prima donna. Do you think he would come here and pitch the 8th inning behind Robertson without being a pain in the arse?

            Taking on him and Howard and Burnett is a terrible idea. Burnett wasn’t good when he was with the Yanks. He had a good year last year but regressed this year. No thanks.

            Howard is more washed up than Tex, and probably A-Rod at this point.
            Crazy.

            Hamels is the only one worth having from the Phillies. The Yanks won’t take their extra trash just to get Hamels.

    • mitch

      pretty crazy idea, but I think there’s too much dead money there. I’d probably pick up AJ and Papelbon to get Hamels, but Howard’s deal is too much.

      • blake

        even there you’re adding 48 million to the 2015 payroll and 25 of it (AJ and Papelbon) you don’t really need……I just don’t see Hal authorizing that sort of extra money….They’d need to take the 2015 payroll well above 250 million in order to do something like that and I also think the Phillies would rather get prospects back for Hamels than to just dump salary.

    • Rick

      What would be the purpose of claiming Howard to sit on the bench and then cutting him? That makes absolutely no sense.

      • http://twitter.com/#!/Clay_Bellinger Clay Bellinger

        None whatsoever.

        A) He’s brutal. Below replacement level bad… for like 3 years now.

        B) They can’t just “cut” him. They’d inherit his horrendous contract.

        • Rick

          Couldn’t agree more. And taking one good contract with one bad contract is just awful business.

          • TopChuckie

            It has worked out fairly well for the Dodgers. And it’s not taking one good contract for one bad, it’s taking one great player for an ok contract and a bad contract, and in this particular case, it’s taking three players of varying usefulness for four ok to very bad contracts, but I contend the Yanks can afford it.

            You seem to forget the Yanks basically print money. If all these other teams are now able to spend as much or more than the Yankees are spending, then it’s pretty obvious the Yanks could be spending far more than they are.

            • blake

              not really….the Crawford deal and the Beckett deals are awful…..sure they got Agon….but think of what all they could have bought had they just saved all that money and spent it on actual good players. It was WAY better for Boston…..

              • Rick

                Plus, Beckett has been solid this year. The Dodgers almost certainly thought that Crawford would fit better in their stadium seeing that he was a notoriously bad fit for Fenway. And just because one team does something stupid, doesn’t mean that every team should. As you mentioned, that trade isn’t exactly a positive for the Dodgers.

            • Ed

              You seem to forget that the Yankees print money because they don’t do stupid things like take on $40m/year in dead weight contracts just to get one good player at a free agent price.

        • TopChuckie

          You are really missing the point. Ryan Howard is irrelevant, taking his contract off the Phillies hands is the relevant part. Eating his contract for the Phillies is what they get in return for Hamels. I’m not arguing Howard has any other value, except he might be better than Headley at 1B for the rest of this season when Tex can’t go. If he’s not, just cut him now. It has nothing to do with the player, just the contract.

          • http://twitter.com/#!/Clay_Bellinger Clay Bellinger

            Lol. Incredibly bad idea.

            The Phillies would pull back Hamels and release Howard to us in a heartbeat. Even RAJ can figure that one out.

            That being said, even if they were to allow us to have both, it’s not worth it. They’d bascially be paying an additional 25 mil a year for Hamels. Insane.

            • TopChuckie

              I never said claim him. I’m talking if they all clear waivers. Try some reading comprehension.

              • http://twitter.com/#!/Clay_Bellinger Clay Bellinger

                Hamels would get claimed. No doubt.

                More importantly.. your argument to my second point? Do you view Hamels as a near 50 mil a year pithcer? Because with his and Howards contract combined that’s what they’d be paying him.

                Like I said.. horrible idea.. not happening.

            • Rick

              Yup, he seems to really be missing that point.

              • http://twitter.com/#!/Clay_Bellinger Clay Bellinger

                It’s not that I’m missing it. More that I can’t even see it being much of a possibilty. Hamels would get claimed by someone.

      • TopChuckie

        To motivate the Phillies to just give away Hamels. Is it worth it to the Phillies to get out from under Howard’s contract? I think it would be. They need to start as fresh as possible. I honestly believe the Yanks could eat that contract and not miss a beat, and they have a little bit of use for a backup 1B this season. You could eat his contract and try to trade him for a low level prospect, but I’m not sure anyone would even want him for free next year.

        The Yanks aren’t going to have as much opportunity to flex their financial muscle via free agency anymore, this is a way they can still add quality players just for money.

        • blake

          maybe they theoretically could but they won’t…..you’d be talking about a payroll pushing 300 million to do what’s you’re saying…..

          they could sign Jon Lester for just money too and for a LOT cheaper than this plan…..heck they could sign Lester AND Scherzer cheaper than doing all that.

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          This isn’t an August scenario anymore.

          • blake

            I’m sorry. Where is the thinking outside the box and A for effort but really bad idea trade suggestion thread?

            • Jorge Steinbrenner

              Come on, blake. No one’s telling the guy to take his shit elsewhere. We’re simply talking about something that’s no longer going to happen in August.

              • blake

                i was just joking

                • Jorge Steinbrenner

                  My sarcasm meter is having blood sugar issues this morning.

          • TopChuckie

            Was that a reply fail, because mine is entirely still an August scenario. Bringing up free agents to be, Lester and Scherzer, when they are trying to fill their rotation right now is not an August scenario.

            Take the name Ryan Howard out of it, would you rather give the Phillies $68M for Hamels, or Judge, Sanchez, and Severino for Hamels?

            • Jorge Steinbrenner

              Take the money and run, Ruben.

            • http://twitter.com/#!/Clay_Bellinger Clay Bellinger

              Where are you getting 68 from? The remainder or Howards deal?

              Also, I wouldn’t consider giving them 68 mil. That’s insane. No one does that.

              I’d do neither of the two options. I’ve I had to pick one though, I’d trade the prospects.

              • Jorge Steinbrenner

                Ah, I get it now.

                I made the assumption that he was talking just claiming Hamels’s contract.

                No, I am not taking Ryan Howard, even if you legally change his name to “$68M.”

              • TopChuckie

                Then we agree to disagree. As a fan, I will never miss that $68M, I will miss the players. And if it really was my money, holding on to those players and their cost controlled contracts has the potential to save me far more than $68M in the long run, and that’s before factoring in any money I make from the post seasons Hamels, and to a lesser extent Burnett, takes me to.

                • http://twitter.com/#!/Clay_Bellinger Clay Bellinger

                  I would miss whatever players those 68 mil could have gotten us over the next few years. I agree, as a fan, it’s not my money, but despite what we think, the Yankees do have financial limits. Even if they’re self-imposed.

        • IVoted4Kodos

          Ryan Howard is useless and has one of the worst contracts in all of baseball, if not all of sports. Even with the amount of money the Yankees pull in, it is beyond stupid to take on that kind of contract for any reason, even if it’s to get Hamels in return. Despite what many think, the team does have a budget and a contract like Howard’s, combined with all the other big contracts for older guys, severely limits them moving forward.

          • TopChuckie

            You don’t know that and I don’t believe it’s true. I think the only thing that would limit the Yankees is the Yankees. I believe they would still be profitable with a $300M payroll. The limit is how much of his profit does Hal want to eat into, and where is the point of diminishing returns on spending and making the playoffs versus not spending and not making the playoffs.

            • IVoted4Kodos

              I do know that. Everyone knows that there is a limit. The goal of the Yankees is to make money. They are a business with investors. At a certain payroll point, they stop making money. No one really knows at what point that happens, but it does happen. They’re not going to have a 350 million dollar payroll because it means the owners are

              Not to mention that with the luxury tax, the money they would be taking on here would be even higher.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      None of this is happening in August. We’re off in a completely different direction at this point.

      There is not an agreement in this world under which I’d take Ryan Howard. None.

  • JLC 776

    If it wasn’t for bad luck…

    The whole injury thing, which dates back to Mariano’s freak incident in 2012, has just gotten ridiculous. Injury news went from being devastating, to kind of humorous, to flat out annoying, to expected, to full-on funny. Now I just throw my hands up in the air, mutter a “WTF”, and go about the day. We’ll replace Phelps with a bottle opener and still somehow win games and hover near contention.

    2014? 2014.

  • tom

    Blue Tuesday….

    No one should make any trades with Phillies. Yankees did not trade away Mitchell for a reason so line him up already.

  • blake

    Ironically the Tigers would probably just give the Yankees Verlander and his contract at this point…..I’m sure they’ll put him on and he’ll clear…..but who wants that deal? Even Kate Upton in the front row can’t make that deal better right now.

    • acX

      Let’s be honest. She would make the deal ‘a little’ better.
      Her and Amanda McCarthy? :)

      • blake

        a little yes….. :)

  • Frank

    Just bring up Mitchell and call it a day. All this specualtion about Hamels, who is the only picher worth a damn, is nonsense.

    • http://twitter.com/#!/Clay_Bellinger Clay Bellinger

      “All this specualtion about Hamels… is nonsense.”

      Agreed. Simply not happening.

  • John

    Neither Lee, nor AJB nor Hamels is happening so just forget about it. not even worth mentioning their names. Shields IF the Royals fade soon, but I think that’s a long shot. I think we’re potentially looking at someone like Feldman or Hernandez as a low (prospect) cost option to make 3 or 4 starts before Pineda and/or Phelps gets back.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      I don’t think any big name pitcher is happening as an August dump, and I don’t see someone like AJB clearing waivers in order for Philly to trade him to wherever they want.

      I was more interested in getting the mechanics of how August deals work rather than pinpointing specific guys.

    • Rick

      Pineda will hopefully be back within 10 days, so you’re looking at 2 starts for Phelps at the most. You’re looking for an upgrade over Capuano, however. I’m assuming you’re talking about Roberto Hernandez aka Fausto Carmona? I think he would fit that bill. What it would take to acquire him, no idea. Amaro seems to be a pain in the butt to deal with.

      • Exiledintampa

        Fausto has a 4.62 FIP and his strikeout to walk ratio is the absolute worst in the NL at 3.8% so… no thanks.

        • Rick

          I still think he’s better than Capuano. Though, I admittedly hate that guy.

  • blake

    If Dave Dombrowski called and said look…..I’ll just give you Verlander on a waiver claim and we’ll eat 30% of his salary…..would you do it? He’s got 5/140 left on that deal plus a vesting option. That would make it a 5/98 deal which is still 19+ million a year.

    Now you’re probably not going to get Lester or Scherzer for that money…..but Verlander may never be good again either…..It would be risky…..I probably would say no….

    • acX

      It’s tough. You see CC and you look at Verlander and you see the same decline. I do not want Scherzer at all. Lester I would take at 5/120 (Cliff Lee). Honestly I would prefer to get someone like Shields for less than 25M per year and go after Price in free agency after next season.

    • Kibble ‘n Vicks

      damn blake… why you gotta propose such tough questions this early in the day. I personally believe that Verlander will bounce back in some shape or form, but no way i’m taking him for that kind of money. He’s been brilliant, but I see a CC type ending for him. No thanks. LESTAH!

      • blake

        agreed!

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      Can the giving team kick in money on a waiver deal, though? Are “cash considerations” part of what can change hands?

      So we’d get the first claim and DD would make the call…..I’m really on the fence there.

      • Kibble ‘n Vicks

        Hey Jorge! Good morning to youskies!!!

      • blake

        I think so yes…..but the problem in my hypothetical is that the Tigers would have the right to say…ok you claimed the contract so it’s yours. The Yankees would likely have to kick in a significant prospect to make the Tigers eat money.

        • blake

          so basically what I was talking about has zero chance of happening in August…..maybe this winter….but not in August because if the Tigers put Verlander on waivers and the Yankees claimed him then Dombrowski would likely say…..ok here is Justin Verlander…..keep the change.

          • Jorge Steinbrenner

            Still an interesting one to ponder, though. Does the name Justin Verlander alone make someone take the chance he recovers, or is everyone afraid of the red flags, at this point?

            • Blake

              I’m afraid of the red flags……28 million per is a lot to gamble that a 31 year old will find his heater again ……maybe if CC Sabathia didn’t exist Id be more willing

    • http://twitter.com/#!/Clay_Bellinger Clay Bellinger

      DD would never do this, but it’s an interesting question. I think I’d say yes.

      • Kibble ‘n Vicks

        what if it was a Cole Hamels AND Trinity St Clair deal for the Yanks top 5 prospects.

    • Frank

      I think Cash says yes so long as Dombrowski throws in Kate Upton and 2 more SI models to sit abouve the Yanks dugout to serve as inspiration. Of course, they would be wearing proper attire.

  • Captain Sensible

    Why not see what Bryan Mitchell has. Obviously we are going to need miracles to contend, so why not see if he can be Greene 2.0?

    • acX

      I am all for bringing up the guys from the minors.

      Realistically, our starting pitching has been very good all things considered.

      We are in every game and that has to be hard for these young pitchers since they get very little help from our offense.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      Do we know what Greene 1.0 is?

      • Exiledintampa

        It’s the color of money on the dollar bill.

  • The Other Mister D

    Hey Cash,

    We noticed that “Phelpsie” went down with an injury. Looks like you’ll need a starting pitcher.

    Let’s talk,

    Every Other Team In Baseball.

    PS – You sure do have a pretty mouth.

    • Scott

      LMAO

  • Kosmo

    pitchers with relatively pricey 2 + years remaining NY might be able to trade for . Scott Feldman, Edwin Jackson, Bartolo Colon come to mind. Roberto Hernandez is a long shot because of his contract, a small market team like KC would snatch him up.
    Hamels if available would not make it out of the NL.

    • Kosmo

      although Colon has 1 year remaining.

    • Exiledintampa

      From a Phillies site

      Roberto Hernandez – Bob is an interesting case. As I mentioned yesterday, Hernandez’ ERA is a surprising 3.89, which is 31st out of 47 qualified National League starters. However, his FIP is 4.62, which is 44th out of 47 starters, and his strikeout-to-walk rate is worst in the NL, at 3.8%, striking out 14.2% of batters and walking 10.4%. So for any team claiming Bob Hernandez, good luck with that…….Again, no thanks

      • Kosmo

        actually of all the possibilities Colon would be a decent option. He eats innings, is capable of going on great 3-4 start runs the only negative is the 11 mill owed in 2015. The Mets would have to eat some of his remaining contract to make it happen.

        • Exiledintampa

          And the pinstripes are oh so slimming. LOL Actually I liked Bartolo in pinstipes. That FB when it’s working is still very good.

        • IVoted4Kodos

          “He eats innings”

          Not to mention everything else in sight.

          • Kosmo

            he´s a trim 285.

    • mitch

      These are much more realistic options than Hamels. Colon is probably the only guy i’d consider. I’m not taking on two more years of Feldman or especially Jackson. They’d only be marginal upgrades over Capuano

  • mick taylor

    yanks will get bart colon

  • Poetic Justice

    Jorge Steinbrenner is a cotton headed ninny muggins

    • Exiledintampa

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fig956-MuVA

      I didn’t know what that was.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      I see.

      I love that movie.

      • Poetic Justice

        haha, I just wanted to stay on topic.

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          Trolling me always seems to be on-topic around here.

          Troll me with “Elf” quotes all you want.

          • Poetic Justice

            Just giving you a hard time bro. You’re one of the best posters here and I respect everything you provide to this awesome blog. #realemotions.

            • Jorge Steinbrenner

              Thanks a ton, man.

  • Hankflorida

    When the Yanks were Murder’s Row and Cano and had Burnett, Vasquez, Garcia and their cavalcade of starting pitchers trying to find the right mix, am I off base when I say that this group pitchers seems to be holding the fort with much more success. Since they say that hitting has taken a hit this year, the Yankee need something to keep them a float after losing eighty percent of their staff.

    • Hankflorida

      Meant to say that they lost their entire starting staff!

  • Blake

    They could trade for Joba in hope that he will bring them a good pitcher for Christmas…..since he looks like he’s been chosen to be the next Santa Clause and all

    • Kosmo

      I dunno to me he kinda looks like John Candy in “Canadian Bacon“.

      • Exiledintampa

        He reminds me of Husky Harris before he morphed into Bray Wyatt.

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          I was watching Wyatt last night, and I couldn’t get Joba out of my head. I swear.

          • Exiledintampa

            “Fear not the army of wolves lead by a sheep; fear the army of sheep led by the wolf”

  • nycsportzfan

    sorry this is off topic. I was looking at Ichiro’s career numbers ML and Jap league combined and it had me kinda awe struck..

    Not only does he have way over 4000hits combined but also 677sb’s.. Thats crazy.

  • Bret The Hitman

    Danks makes the most sense. The ChiSox don’t want that contract and the Yankees could use a lefty. I was surprised that deal didn’t go down at the deadline.

  • Bret The Hitman

    Pineda
    Kuroda
    McCarthy
    Danks
    Phelps

  • Bret The Hitman

    Also, they could use Papelbon since their rotation is not giving them innings.

    • Bret The Hitman

      Robertson
      Betances
      Papelbon
      Kelley
      Warren
      Thornton

  • Darren

    I would love to get Ryan Howard. Hamels will never clear waivers but Howard might and Amaro would hopefully be smart enough to take a C or a B prospect for him.

    • Scott

      So Topchuckie just changed his name to Darren.

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

        Darren exists in his own space. Sometimes you want to hug him. Sometimes you want to throw him off a pier.

        • Darren

          I could go for a dip right now!

          But seriously, don’t dismiss Howard so easily.

          Let’s say the Phillies eat a ton of his salary and accept a very marginal prospect in return. At the very least we have a pinch hitter with pop (16 HRs) off the bench, and a legit, durable, backup first baseman for Tex. How is that a bad thing for very low cost? Because he’s got a low average? We’re trying to upgrade, and he would definitely be an incremental upgrade over whatever sitting on the bench right now.

  • mick taylor

    what about getting grady sizemore, he is hitting 330 with the phillies

  • Goose

    I’ve been reading all this today and I say no to most everything. Could we try to get Tommy Milone for say Zolio?

    • Exiledintampa

      Nobody trades cost controlled leftys cheap. Least of all, Billy Beane.

  • Tanakalypse Now

    Though they could use the help, I’m hoping that the real additions in August/Sept are Pineda and Tanaka.

    They would be lightyears better than anything that could be acquired via trade, and could be just the right push to get this team into legit contention for the post season.

  • Scott

    Milone got traded to the Twins for Sam Fuld