Nightengale: White Sox agree to sign David Robertson to four-year, $46M deal

Cashman confirms Yankees will try to re-sign Slade Heathcott and Jose Campos
Thoughts following David Robertson's departure
(Presswire)
(Presswire)

The White Sox have agreed to sign David Robertson to a four-year contract, reports Bob Nightengale. Jon Heyman says the deal is worth $46M. The Yankees will receive a supplemental first round pick as compensation for losing their closer. Earlier on Monday we heard the Yankees were willing to go to four years — in exchange for a lower average annual value — to keep Robertson but Jack Curry says they never even made a formal offer.

Even with Robertson leaving, the Yankees still have a devastating late-inning combo in Dellin Betances the recently signed Andrew Miller. The club could look to sign a low cost closer, someone like Jason Grilli or Rafael Soriano, which would allow Joe Girardi to use Betances and Miller liberally in the middle innings. Heck, even Shawn Kelley could be a viable closer candidate in this scenario. Either way, the Yankees are going to have to win a lot of close games to contend in 2015 and the bullpen will be important.

Letting Robertson go at that price — and replacing him with Miller, which is a lateral move at best — is really disappointing. Four years and $46M) seems very fair for a reliever like Robertson, who has been elite for four years now and has shown he can handle pitching the late innings in New York. There are valid reasons to let him go — fair among of mileage on his arm, 2014 was his worst season since 2010, etc. — but man, it still sucks to see a homegrown Yankee like this.

Cashman confirms Yankees will try to re-sign Slade Heathcott and Jose Campos
Thoughts following David Robertson's departure
  • mattpat11

    Oh well

  • Patrick

    Sad to see him go. Kind of surprised the Yankees weren’t willing to match that.

  • Captain Clutch

    That really stinks. I thought that the yanks were serious about brining him back but I guess not. It better be a lot more than $40m because otherwise what in the world is the front office doing??? I am not happy.

    • nycsportzfan

      You’ll be fine when you see Jacob Lindgren, Andrew Miller, and Dellin Betances getting out players like they’re going against little leaguers, and that dosen’t even include Adam Warren, who has been solid, David Phelps, and guys like Tyler Webb, Nick Rumbelow, and Mark Montgomery, who all have chances to lock down reliever roles and be solid. It just didn’t make sense to resign Drob in my opinion. Its one position the Yanks have tons of options to go with Dellin and Miller.

  • https://www.flickr.com/photos/roadgeek/ Roadgeek Adam

    Fudgeballs.

    If Willie Randolph gets re-hired (no opinion on whether or not he does), his No. 30 is open again.

  • ScottinSJ

    Was hoping for the awesome bullpen. Looks like we’ll make due with a good bullpen. I’m a little surprised they wouldn’t go 4/40 after going 4/36 for Miller.

  • YankeeFan™

    I’m surprised at least we get a draft pick

  • JacobyWanKenobi

    #CashmanFailed

  • Pete22

    Pretty much confirms what I and others have said and that the Yankees were not really interested. The reasons why would make an interesting discussion

  • Captain Clutch

    Yanks better sign Lester or Scherzer now. If their next move is Headley I will throw up. Picking Miller over Robertson is absolutely ridiculous..

    • Pete22

      Miller was better than Robertson last year, we just dont know what he will be next year, Headley is good, but not much of an offensive upgrade. Def need Scherzer now, and a Kuroda/masterson/McCarthy/Shark

      • Need Pitching & Hitting

        Shark?

        • Pete22

          Yeah, that Sammy guy on Oakland

          • Need Pitching & Hitting

            Yeah, I know. Sounds like he’s on his way to the White Sox though. Maybe still a chance, but doesn’t seem likely.

    • Need Pitching & Hitting

      Why would the timing of the move matter?
      If they sign Headley and then later Scherzer, that’d make you throw up?

      • Captain Clutch

        Obviously I meant if they sign Headley and don’t sign or even try to sign Lester or Scherzer.

      • nycsportzfan

        Headley must be sitting back laughing, saying “wow, I can underachieve at my job and still have teams throwing millions of dollars at me. What a great sport!”..lol I don’t get it, and as much as I wanted him to return, i thought it’d be on like a 2yr 20million dollar contract. I never would of guessed he’d be looking at 4 yrs and possibly 5. Crazy for how hes played in the majors.

        • Drew

          Lead the NL in RBI as soon as 2012 and had a 370 OBP as a Yankee, so there is life in the bat. Teams will take a gamble especially in such a thin 3B market.

  • Jay Briwn

    I’ll take that pick, thank you very much. Betances should be the closer

    • CashmanNinja

      It’s a protected pick. We get a 2nd rounder.

      • Need Pitching & Hitting

        They get a supplemental round pick.

      • Fernandito Andujar

        I don’t think the protected pick has anything to do with what the Yankees get. Sox give up their 2nd round pick, but Yankees get pick after round one.

      • Pete22

        No, White Sox lose a 2nd rounder, we get a 1st round supplementary pick

        • CashmanNinja

          Meh, it’s late. I’m tired

          • Pete22

            Lester is going to bed, decision tomorrow

        • JacobyWanKenobi

          Correct.

    • Pete22

      Nice to have lottery tickets, thats all a supplementary pick is

      • nycsportzfan

        The more lottery tickets, the better chance of being the one to start out with the young stud instead of the ones usually trying to chase em down and get em to sign later, most likely, when they’ve all ready seen there hey day. I’ll take the pick, and love it. Its not like the Yanks system is bare. You add a fairly early 1st rd pick(as far as where yanks usually pick) and add a supp 1st rd pick as well, and only a couple yrs after getting Jagielo, Judge, and Clarkin all in the 1st rd, and your on to something. Yanks farm system is getting beefy.

  • AlexJetriguez

    The Yankees’ strange refusal to pay market rate for their own free agents continues.

    • Pete22

      Teams know their own players best. Lets see if D-Rob stays healthy next year, I was a bit concerned with his finish as I am sure the Yankees were

      • https://www.facebook.com/daniel.wasserman.35 nsalem

        His era blew up last september because of two bad outings when he was overused. His K rate in September was in line with the rest of the season which was a fabulous one. He just can’t be run out 3 days in a row on a regular basis. Do you honestly think the Yankees would have made him an offer of four years if there was so much concern.

        • AlexJetriguez

          Though I wholeheartedly agree with your statement, the last line is apparently incorrect. Jack Curry just tweeted Yanks never made formal offer. Which begs the question, WTF?

        • Pete22

          Never made him a SINGLE offer except the QO

        • 461deep

          Yes, desperate for WC so JG overused David & Betances as well in Sept. Dave had that early BS against Minny too that inflated his era so 2-3 poor outings probably added at least 1 run to his era.

        • yankeefeminista

          Plus the IF D wasn’t very good. Quoting ERA is kind of irrelevant. HIs FIP was 2.68 around the same as 2013.

        • Basil

          You may be right about Robertson. I worry a bit about Betances, whom we all know took a long, shaky time to get to that really good-but-so-far-just-one season.

    • nycsportzfan

      Why would they spend that kinda money on a closer when Lindgren is right around the corner, and they all ready have Dellin and signed A.Miller? Not to mention they still have Adam Warren(2.97Era,76k in 78.2inn 3sv) , David Phelps, and guys right on the cusp in Mark Montgomery, Tyler Webb, Nick Rumbelow, and James Pazos. Shoot, Manny Banuelos may end up being a reliever when said and done. My point is they are well stocked in the relieving dept., and the Yanks all ready spend a ton of money, why would they spend even more for relieving when its one of the rare spots they look good and stocked?

      • Drew

        because you are relying on two guys who have only been elite for 1 season. Robertson stepped in for Mariano without fail and the difference in salary between Miller & Robertson was 2.5 million. As of right now the Yankees are sending Phelps and Warren into ST to compete for starting roles, Montgomery wasn’t protected for the rule 5 draft so he will probably be gone. The Yankees have some depth but not the absorbent amount you are claiming. To let Robertson leave to another team on a reasonable contract is ridiculous.

      • Drew

        because you are relying on two guys who have only been elite for 1 season. Robertson stepped in for Mariano without fail and the difference in salary between Miller & Robertson was 2.5 million. As of right now the Yankees are sending Phelps and Warren into ST to compete for starting roles, Montgomery wasn’t protected for the rule 5 draft so he will probably be gone. The Yankees have some depth but not the absorbent amount you are claiming. To let Robertson leave to another team on a reasonable contract is ridiculous.

  • RetroRob

    Boo.

  • Fernandito Andujar

    I suspect a lot over $40M. Closer to $50M than to $40. Otherwise, would think Yankees would have made headway earlier.

    • Pete22

      6 million more, chump change

  • dkidd

    crap
    white sox not kidding around this off-season

  • CashmanNinja

    The fact that the Yankees didn’t throw more money at him makes it sound like thy weren’t content with the price tag. They knew him better than any other team…perhaps they were wary of his past workload.

  • Cuso

    Wow. I really hope that number isn’t right. 4/40 is definitely something the Yanks should’ve jumped at.

    Maybe D-Rob didn’t like the low-ball tactics or signing Miller first – who knows. But losing him at an AAV of 10 is pretty shitty.

    • Need Pitching & Hitting

      The reports are that it’s for in excess of $40M. How much more remains to be seen.

      • Marc Perez

        4/46

  • ScottinSJ

    This team won’t score enough to win without stellar pitching — both starters and relievers. I hope there’s some overarching plan that we’re missing.

  • Mike

    Robertson got too greedy and decided to play for an inferior team just like Cano. I expect the contract to be higher than Miller.

    • https://www.flickr.com/photos/roadgeek/ Roadgeek Adam

      It already is, 4/40 is higher than 4/36, and from what Nightengale said, it must be higher than $40MM.

  • Jerkface

    Asinine not to retain an elite, home grown player with good PR, that is a pleasant person for that much money when you give nearly as much to a left handed, but less proven guy.

  • Matteo

    Well fingers crossed that pick is the next Mike Trout. I hope this isn’t a sign of the Yanks overvaluing the draft pick because they want “youth” for future teams.

  • RetroRob

    I suppose it’s possible the Yankees offered the 9/36 deal to both Robertson and Miller, first one taking it gets it. I suspect they’re still try and leave Betances and Miller for set up and sign one of the second-tier closers.

    • https://www.flickr.com/photos/roadgeek/ Roadgeek Adam

      That’s one hell of a deal at 9 years for $4MM a year.

      • RetroRob

        Miller will be more surprised! 4/36.

        • https://www.flickr.com/photos/roadgeek/ Roadgeek Adam

          I don’t mind that deal for Betances if we’re giving Miller and Robertson 9/36. Bullpen Dynasty.

      • JacobyWanKenobi

        I’d take that

    • YankeeFan™

      9?

  • YankeeFan™

    Give me lester n Scherzer now that Robertson Gone

    1. Scherzer
    2. Lester
    3. Tanaka
    4. Pineda
    5. Sabathia

    Sheesh what a rotation lol if we can’t hit might as well pitch are ass of to a win

    • Pete22

      Last 3 guys are not a sure bet to pitch much. Also Lester & Scherzer is a pipe dream

      • YankeeFan™

        Exactly why I would want Em in my rotation because of the uncertainty of the last 3 guys n yes it’s a dream

        • Pete22

          Its a nice dream, don’t get me wrong, the pipe dreams I had in old Bombay opium dens were among the finest I have had

  • Tntino24

    Disappointing

  • Jerkface

    We could have had a monster bullpen if they retained D-rob. D-rob, Miller, & Betances would have been great. Now we’re going to have Jason Grilli closing Y_Y

    • https://www.flickr.com/photos/roadgeek/ Roadgeek Adam

      Or Steve Cishek or Craig Kimbrel, the last of which is highly unlikely, despite rumours.

    • http://www.google.com/ Tanuki Tanaka

      Could be worse. We could have a bunch of underperforming and/or over-the-hill veterans for a starting lineup…

      Oh wait…

  • Need Pitching & Hitting

    4/$46M

    • https://www.flickr.com/photos/roadgeek/ Roadgeek Adam

      Now that number I believe.

      • Pete22

        6 million difference over 4 years. Arod makes that with 6 HR, kick him off the team and you got it back

        • https://www.flickr.com/photos/roadgeek/ Roadgeek Adam

          I prefer keeping A-Rod on the team until the end of the contract. Not happy we’re losing Robertson, not much we can do.

          • Pete22

            I’m ok with losing D-Rob, just saying 6 million should not have been the issue

  • Captain Clutch

    Betances has never closed and Miller had one outstanding year. No guarantee that those guys can lock down the 9th inning. Robertson only closed for 1 year but he has been very consistent the last couple of years.

    • http://shhhorsie.com Cheval Anonyme

      How many people were saying “Robertson can’t close” prior to 2014?

  • Captain Clutch

    I am curious what the yanks final offer was to Robertson. I wonder if they even got to $44m or so or did they low ball him like they did with Cano.

  • john bones

    4/46 for a GOOD closer. Not an elite closer. I like Robertson but he’ll never be a top 5 closer. Might not even be a top 10. He was a much much better setup man.

    That being said, signing Lester and Robertsons replacement will def ease the wound. Let’s see what happens

    • Jerkface

      We paid 36 million for Andrew Miller, a guy with a worse track record who wont even be closing (which is fine, just saying)

    • Jerkface

      We paid 36 million for Andrew Miller, a guy with a worse track record who wont even be closing (which is fine, just saying)

      • john bones

        We REALLY needed a lefty. And this guy, who has proven he handle the AL East, can also get right handed hitters out.

        • Need Pitching & Hitting

          They didn’t REALLY need a lefty. They needed high leverage relievers. What side they threw from didn’t really matter.

          • http://shhhorsie.com Cheval Anonyme

            Actually, they needed a lefty. Last year the team wasted valuable roster spots on LOOGYs. Not this year.

            • Need Pitching & Hitting

              They don’t need lefties to get lefties out. They just need Girardi to realize that RHP’s can often be better options to get lefties out than LHP’s.
              There is not requirement to have a lefty in the bullpen, and they already added one non-LOOGY lefty (Wilson) anyways, and have a potentially very good one (Lindgren) waiting in the wings.
              They definitely did not absolutely need a lefty. They did need a high leverage reliever (or 2) capable of getting anyone out.

        • Jerkface

          david robertson can also get left handers out

    • ScottinSJ

      Lester alone is not nearly enough for the rotation. They probably need another one or maybe two solid starters. Headley won’t do enough to make this anything other than a mediocre-at-best offense.

  • YankeeFan™

    I’m disappointed but let’s see how the Yankees respond

    • Pete22

      Cashman popping that bottle of Champagne in his suite, among other things that need popping

      • mustang

        GO CASH!!!
        LOL

  • Jay Briwn

    4/46 robertson was good. But he wasn’t no mo. He’s replaceable.

    • john bones

      I agree. This was nothing near the pain of losing Cano last year. Not even close

      • Jerkface

        Its a continuation of the same thing. Watching cool Yankees ship off to be replaced by red sox players who are not as good as the players they are replacing.

        • Jay Briwn

          The yankees prefer scherzer over lester.Don’t worry

          • john bones

            I hope not. I really want Lester over Scherzer

            • Jay Briwn

              Why? Scherzer has steadily been getting better, where is lester.. not so much. I don’t want either. heh

              • john bones

                Lester won’t cost a draft pick, proven he can handle the AL East, and doesn’t really rely on velocity like Scherzer. More so on command and movement. And he’ll probably be cheaper too. I’d give Lester a 6 year offer. Maybe a 7. Nothing more. No way.

                But. I won’t be upset if we signed Scherzer. Lol

        • http://www.google.com/ Tanuki Tanaka

          Losing a 6 war player with no immediate replacement aint the same as losing a 3 war player and replacing with 2 WAR player to me.

    • http://www.google.com/ Tanuki Tanaka

      Nor was he Nomo.

  • Need Pitching & Hitting
    • Jay Briwn

      Or they know more than we do? Maybe his sweet home alabama schtick wore thin with the org behind the scenes?

    • mustang

      WOW!
      They wanted the pick the Miller deal sealed it.
      WOW!

      • RetroRob

        There could be some truth to that. They may feel Miller moving forward is the better bet and they wanted the pick. Question then is did they want the pick to have two high-end picks, or did they want the pick since they plan to go after Scherzer and know they’ll lose one of the two picks.

        • mustang

          I think they want both picks and i think Lester is the target right now.

    • Pete22

      Kind of confirms they were not in on D-Rob in any serious way

      • AlexJetriguez

        minus the “kind of” part

    • ScottinSJ

      Distressing indeed. I think we need some new inmates to run the asylum

    • http://www.google.com/ Tanuki Tanaka

      I feel a bit upset that they weren’t even trying.

    • http://shhhorsie.com Cheval Anonyme

      Note the word “official”. They made several verbal offers. It’s not about “trying” or “not being serious”.

      • http://www.google.com/ Tanuki Tanaka

        Kind of like submitting to a contest. In the end, not much difference between not making any entries and making several entries but not submitting any of the entries.

      • Need Pitching & Hitting

        They never made any offer of on any kind after they signed Miller.

  • YankeeFan™

    Damm so the Yankees didn’t get the chance to make a offer

    • RetroRob

      Chance?

      • YankeeFan™

        According to curry the Yankees didn’t make a offer

        • RetroRob

          I saw that. It was just the word “chance.” If they didn’t even make an offer that doesn’t come down to chance. That comes down to choice.

    • Need Pitching & Hitting

      They’ve had plenty of time to make an offer.

      • YankeeFan™

        Well a final offer they did say they was interested in signing him back.

        • Need Pitching & Hitting

          You’d think if they were seriously interested, they would have put some offer on the table at some point.

          • YankeeFan™

            Yea I no I’m just wondering if his agent ran back to the Yankees for a final offer.

            • Pete22

              I suspect his agent knew they were not interested and did not.

          • Pete22

            Normally you make the first one on or before the QO is made, when you still have exclusive negotiating rights. The fact they admitted they did not make one shows the lack of interest. The why is the interesting questions

    • Pisano

      They didn’t want to make an offer.

  • mustang

    A bit disappointed, but I can live with it.

  • GGBG Fan

    I was very disappointed when Nightengale reported 4/40. But to save 4/46, while getting a lottery pick, with more pressing needs than a 3rd elite bullpen arm? I can kinda live with it I guess. Hope we spend the money on Headley and McCarthy, and maybe another starter

    • GGBG Fan

      In addition, I’d 10x rather have the front office be conservative on overspending than shell out half a billion dollars we’ll regret in 5 years

      • RetroRob

        If the Yankees were interested, an extra $1.5 MM a year isn’t the deal breaker. They decided to go in another direction.

    • http://www.google.com/ Tanuki Tanaka

      Yup. As long as the money is spent elsewhere. There are bigger concerns than the bullpen.

  • Sports Guy

    #Untuck time

  • Frittoman626

    BRING BACK MFIKY #Untuck

  • YankeeFan™

    I wonder if the yanks would be interested in krod or Soriano I think there a lot of interesting arms out there.

  • Thunder2122

    4/46 + a comp pick is a little too much for D-Rob to me. Especially with Miller and his 4 year deal already on board. At least they acted quickly and got one of those two guys rather than waited and played hardball and eventually lost both

    • Pete22

      Good job Hal

  • http://shhhorsie.com Cheval Anonyme

    The Yankees could use another good bullpen arm, but they don’t need three aces. Also, smart front offices try to evaluate objectively and do not fall in love with their own home-grown players. Good sign.

  • ScottinSJ

    I will miss DRob. Very good reliever and high character guy. Never an excuse; very grounded.

  • mustang

    I’m going to wait until the smoke clears if they end up with Lester, Headley, McCarthy and 2 first round picks i can’t complain.

    Hell even the more realisitc Headley, McCarthy and 2 first round picks isn’t too bad.

  • Sports Guy

    aaaaaand there goes Samardzija

  • YankeeFan™

    Anyone think yanks could be interested in romo for set up role ? I could see that happen if he shaves lol

    • RetroRob

      They could also sign him, or one of the other arms, to be the closer with Miller and Betances doing the setup. Yet, teams don’t pay $9 MM a year for setup men, at least they haven’t so far. Maybe the Yankees didn’t. Maybe they’re spending $9 MM a year on Miller for their closer. There is also financial reasons to leave Betances as the setup man over the next couple of seasons since the arbitration process pays setup men less.

  • dkidd

    the white sox are ruining baseball

  • Tntino24

    I can live with these types of non moves so long as the team gets better. It seems hard to believe that not resigning Robertson makes us a better team. There’s all this talk about resigning Headly and McCarthy, but the truth is we are the same non playoff team as last year, even if we do have those guys for a “full season.” We can’t afford to subtract our best players without a a solid upgrade ready to go. It doesn’t matter how good betances and miller are if our closer blows it in the 9th.

    • Jay Briwn

      Miller and robertson are a wash… actually miller is slightly better than robertson. It may be lateral move at this point. But, they prefer miller more than robertson

      • Tntino24

        If they are a wash, we are still in the same “non playoff position.”
        I get it that we get the pick, but the Yankees area win now team. Yes, they needs to get younger, but they are always a win now team.

    • Alfredo Negrin

      If things go like last year I agree. But if Pineda, Tanaka, and Sabathia stay healthy and both Beltran and McCann have better years closer to their career norms then we get in the play-offs. Plus we would have a better defense with Gregorius and Headley on the left side of the infield all year.

      • Tntino24

        Agreed, but those are HUGE ifs. Too risky to count on.

        • Alfredo Negrin

          That is all we got for right now, all the reports are that the Yankees are not going big in the Free agent market. Remember 2011 and 2012 Bartolo Colon, and Freddy Garcia? I think the same thing is happening this year.

          • Tntino24

            These are the Yankees, and they should act like it. Not the expos. Fingers crossed.

  • Sports Guy

    As the old homegrown players disappear, the new ones are just starting to appear (Betances, Refsnyder, Lindgren, etc)

  • pochi

    We try but we get a pick n plenty of 2 tier bullpen arms out there well play ninja cash

  • mustang

    Question did Miller get a no trade clause?
    DRob did.

    • Pete22

      Pretty sure Miller did not

    • YankeeFan™

      No

    • Pete22

      Dprob did not either, only limited trade protection

    • mustang

      Thanks

  • 461deep

    Well Miller needs to do well now. Lester to Yanks rumors but not likely with all the other long term ideals but always a chance. I like giving Didi (cool name) Refsnyder 2B-SS combo a good look in ST. Team needs young blood. Good luck D-Rob.

  • Pete22

    Farnsworth instead? He is pounding the pavement looking for a spot and this is the season to give

    • ScottinSJ

      I’ll take Mrs. Butterworth instead, thanks.

    • Frittoman626

      Rather have Joba

    • https://www.flickr.com/photos/roadgeek/ Roadgeek Adam

      I’d barf on his locker.

    • dkidd

      sign him, then trade him and watch him cry

  • YankeeFan™

    Give me Herrera Royals Would love to see that guy trow 100 In The 9th inning for us.

  • Guest

    You mean Farns-worthless right?

  • Pete22

    Shark to the White Sox too. Good day for Chicago fans.

  • YankeeFan™

    On Twitter Yankee fans are going nuts lol

  • Alfredo Negrin

    It stings to lose Robertson but were the Yankees really going to sign two relievers to 4 year deal, they did not even make an offer. Hopefully they can get Headley, and McCarthy, the only way they go after Scherzer is if they miss out on McCarthy.

    • ScottinSJ

      McCarthy alone is nowhere near enough for the rotation. It’s just a bunch of question marks at this point.

      • mustang

        Agree they are getting one of the big 3

        • Alfredo Negrin

          I do not see it unless they miss out on McCarthy.

          • ScottinSJ

            Once again: McCarthy is mediocre. The need for starting pitching is huge.

            • Alfredo Negrin

              Again I am only going on what the sources are saying! I agree they need better pitching but it does not seem like they are in on any of the big 3.

              • mustang

                I was going to add you to my “Lester Call Out List” but I realize your already on it .
                LOL
                We will see.

                • Alfredo Negrin

                  Please do add me, and I hope you get the chance to call me out!

        • http://www.google.com/ Tanuki Tanaka

          I hope they acquire IPK.

  • Alfredo Negrin

    I still think theirs a chance we get lower cost closer on a one or two year deal.

  • YankeeFan™

    Lol someone really upset because they’re not gonna listen to sweet home Alabama when he comes in.

    • Tntino24

      They are going to love that song on the south side…..

    • http://www.google.com/ Tanuki Tanaka

      Define IRONY: a bunch of idiots dancing on a plane, to a song made famous by a band that died in a plane crash.

  • Bigdan

    This was foregone when the Yanks signed Miller. Rumors aside, the Yanks were never gong to spend $80MM on two relief pitchers. Not $20MM a year either. The Yanks need starters, not relief pitchers or expensive new third basemen. The exchange of Drob for Miller saves the Yanks $2.5MM a year over the next four years. I would rather have had Drob. He was a known commodity. But we’ve learned under Hal’s leadership $2.5MM a year is real money. It can buy you Brandon Ryan.

    White Sox seem to be putting together a nice crew to make a little run. Hope they don’t have too many leads in the 9th inning against the Yanks.

    • ScottinSJ

      Not bad commentary, Dan. You didn’t do any chest thumping. You’ve provided a snarky, but reasonable assessment. Kudos.

  • megax

    I would really love to know who the yankees are saving money for ? , almost all the teams are locking up their homegrown stars/players and the yankees keep letting theirs go . i dont get it

    • Jerkface

      they save all their money for ex red sox players

  • Macho Man “Randy Levine”

    So wait, is the deal 4/$40 or 4/$46? Because if it’s 4/$40, I’m going to be a bit more upset than I am.

    To paraphrase Yoda, unfortunate this is. But not unexpected. At the same time, I’m a bit peeved that the Yankees were once again evidently just playing lip service by saying they were willing to go a 4th year and then never make a formal offer.

    Oh, well. Just gotta move on.

    • RetroRob

      4/46.

  • Alfredo Negrin

    Just get Headley to have an above average defense!

  • YankeeFan™

    Wish people would stop over reacting of course I’m disappointed but a closer is replaceable I’m confident we’ll find someone who can close games we have a very solid bullpen we need more help with our rotation.

    • Fernandito Andujar

      Agree.

    • Pete22

      Have to wait and see what they do next really. I was not really expecting them to sign both Miller and D-Rob but the chatter kind of suggested it could happen so hopes were up. Same chatter says we are getting with Headley, and i hope that happens, and then for SPing, which is the teams biggest need, we need to see need an elite SP’er and one number 2-3 guy. Maybe Cashman and Hal make it happen. Kind of on the fence on if they will or not. They have the bucks, but will they spend them.? Stay tuned.

      At this point in the off season. Offense has not improved, defense a question mark (Headley improves it, no Headley and Ref at 2B and Prado at 3B offsets Didi at SS), bullpen not improved, SP is worse w/o Greene. Kuroda and McCarthy.

      Right now this is a 81-85 win team, and that’s generous. What it is in February we can only guess

    • forensic

      Wish people would use punctuation.

  • ScottinSJ

    Chicago and Seattle (esp if they sign Melky) are the early AL offseason winners, I’d say. Perhaps Toronto needs to be included too.

    • Bigdan

      I like what Seattle is doing especially if they sign Melky. Some dominant starters. Nice mix of vets and young players in their lineup. Seem to want to spend money too. Could see them winning the West.

      • ScottinSJ

        I fully expect them to take the West.

        • http://www.google.com/ Tanuki Tanaka

          How the West was won: Seattle edition.

    • YankeeFan™

      Don’t tell that to Red Sox fans.

    • Macho Man “Randy Levine”

      I’d definitely include Toronto over Seattle, even if Seattle signs Melky. I wonder about Cruz in Safeco. Then again, I wonder about Toronto’s pitching.

      I do find the White Sox’ series of moves interesting. I still think their offense is meh.

  • Alfredo Negrin

    Are the White Sox the favorites in the AL Central now?

    • ScottinSJ

      Damn close to it. Still time for things to change, of course.

    • Macho Man “Randy Levine”

      They’re on the way up and Detroit seems on the way down, but at this point, who the hell knows? Can’t discount Cleveland and KC either.

      Basically the entire AL seems wide open.

  • Bigdan

    The Yanks need two quality starting pitchers. Then sign Moncada. Then let the kids play. Maybe they’ll surprise and show the vets baseball is fun.

    • InvalidUserID

      Out on Lester, supposedly. That leaves bidding on Scherzer and what…bidding on McCarthy, maybe hope for another year of Kuroda? The way pitching has been, I’d want to see all three of those happen to feel comfortable.

  • RetroRob

    I do think it is what it is. The Yankees intent was to get one of D-Rob or Miller, but they weren’t going to pay for both, and they may have even had some preference for Miller if they believe he’ll be better moving forward, coupled with the fact he’s cheaper and brings a draft pick. They may still believe they can build a killer backend of the pen with Lindgren joining.

    In theory, that’s all nice, yet I wonder if the Yankees have fallen into the same trap as Yankee fans. They’ve taken consistency for granted because of having Mo all these years, then having D-Rob take over. The reason D-Rob is one of the top closers in the game is because he’s good and he’s consistent. Seven years with the team, joined in 2007, went 4-0, and then the next six years he was good to great, he did it as a setup man, he did it as a closer. Most relievers are uneven, which is why teams don’t want to give them long-term contracts. D-Rob has shown himself to be someone who can be counted on, year in and year out.

    This all might work out fine for the Yankees, but Miller does not have D-Rob’s track record. Betances has one year.

    • Farewell Mo and Jeet

      Excellent points

    • Pete22

      Yes, consistency is the undervalued commodity in baseball IMO. However, even consistent players lose it after a time, especially RP’ers. Mo was a once in a generation type player in that regard. D-Rob showed subtle signs of faltering after his great start into May. He was good but not quite elite, and he was not that good at the end. Can’t help but think the Yankees did not project him as well as most fans do. I hope this is the case and not just a few bucks and a 30’ish pick

  • InvalidUserID

    Sorry to see DRob go. I’ve always been a fan of his and thought he did a very good job in pinstripes.

    I’m just nervous about the (lack of) info of the Yankees and top starters, especially now that the rotation got thinner. Lester, supposedly Yankees aren’t in it. Scherzer, yeah, they’ll have interest but it’s too early to tell how serious they’ll push. Shark is off the board, never heard Yankees even talking about him.

  • Mattycakes

    This stings. Robertson was one of my favorite players (I will never forget 2011’s Houdini acts). That said, it’s not a bad baseball move (from a business standpoint). 4 years and 46 million is a lot. I think they will get similar production from Miller (who was 10 million cheaper). Not only that, but they will also collect another draft pick, so I understand where the FO was coming from on this move (not saying I like it, but I get it).

    • Pete22

      You are accepting the premise of either or. They could have had both, they are the Yankees, which means they have 2-3 times the revenue of the average MLB team.

      Furthermore, from a business standpoint you need to balance costs with revenues. If cost cutting hurts revenues, you have went nowhere. Yankees are at least 5-10 wins from the playoffs. If they miss a playoff spot because they had issues at closer, this becomes a penny wise, pound foolish decision, Lets face it, Miller and Betances are 1 season wonders, not much of a track record there

      That said, if there is a health concern for passing on D-Rob, I fully support the decision. Teams know their own players best.

      • Alfredo Negrin

        I strongly disagree with your statement that Betances, and Miller are 1 season wonders.

        • Pete22

          They have only had 1 wonderful season. Not saying they can’t repeat, but all we have is 1, count them, 1 season of wonder.

          • Jay Briwn

            As did mo before he became the closer. right or wrong?

            • Pete22

              Right. I won’t bother you with the 1000 other examples of one and done

              • chris hines

                There’s also a 1000 examples of “proven closers” who suddenly fall off a cliff, relievers are volatile regardless of how many elite seasons they have under their belts.

          • chris hines

            Miller’s command checks out though when looking deeper into the numbers, nothing suggests he can’t repeat that part of his game and that’s really what took him to the next level. Beyondtheboxscore had a niece piece on him a few days back.

        • RetroRob

          I don’t think he’s projecting forward. He’s saying so far they are one season wonders, and that’s correct. Miller, in fairness, has actually been good for three years, but his breakout season was this year.

      • Mattycakes

        I totally understand what you’re saying; trust me, I do (like I said I was pretty torn up about this last night). That said, getting D-Rob and Miller might have been over kill. The Yankees do a pretty good job at developing bullpen talent, so I don’t know if spending a lot of money on two free agent relievers was the best allocation of resources. Honestly, I think it makes sense to go with Miller-10 million+draft pick, and then maybe go out and sign someone like Grilli or Gregerson on the cheap.

  • ScottinSJ

    Let’s face it, the Yankees entered this offseason with some very large, expensive, old monkeys on their backs. I’m not trying to be doom-and-gloom, but they didn’t exit the season in a strong position. My hope is that they can do enough with the pitching to be competitive. Still, a lot needs to be done.

  • YankeeFan™

    I’m curious if the Yankees would give Jacob lindgren a chance to close out games in Triple A.

    • Macho Man “Randy Levine”

      I’d rather he be with the big league club from the start, but if he’s not, then, sure, let him close.

    • yankeefeminista

      He was coming in in the eighth in Trenton, but he had control/command problems and had to be relieved multiple times. May have been just arm fatigue because he pitched 25 innings over his previous college season IP. Hopefully, the arm is well rested going into ST.

  • Farewell Mo and Jeet

    I sure hope they let Robertson walk because they’re planning on resigning Headley, McCarthy and either Lester/Scherzer and couldn’t afford those guys plus Robertson though since any budget is really self imposed and easily able to be exceeded with little effect on their bottom line, I would have rather seen them offer Robertson 4/$44 which most likely would have brought him back

    • RetroRob

      Agreed. They have other needs to fill, so they probably are looking at this from a resource issue and where to direct those resources. Betances, Miller and may Lindgren, etc. can be excellent, yet I still think they may sign one of the other closers on the market, such as Romo.

      I wanted Robertson back because I wanted them to build a killer pen and he was a home-grown player. Yet, in the greater scheme of things, I doubt this will register on the Yankee seismic meter moving forward. This is not a Cano situation.

  • SweetSpot

    And so it goes in this show me the money world. This makes one appreciate the greatness and loyalty of lifetime Yankees like Jeter, Mariano, Posada and Bernie even more. Enjoy that thick crust crap D-Rob. You’re now yesterday’s news.

    • Farewell Mo and Jeet

      The Yankees didn’t even make him an offer according to reports so it’s hard to be mad at Drob. I think 4/$44 likely would have brought him back and that would have been a more than reasonable price.

      • SweetSpot

        I understand your point. I’m not mad at him and I have no idea what conversations the Yankees had with his agent or what their thinking was. I would assume we’ll find out. I would think they talked even if no official offer was made. I just appreciate the lifetime Yankees more each day. Whatever the details, he’s gone and is yesterday’s news. Not many teams have a Betances and Miller in their pen so take the draft pick and move on.

        • yclept

          Yep..not many teams have relievers coming off career years who may never be able to repeat them. Am I not the only one that sees issues with this so-called unhittable bullpen?

          • SweetSpot

            I think the un-hittable bullpen was in reference to a D-Rob, Betances and Miller pen.

      • SweetSpot

        I don’t know what they thought but maybe internally the Yankees thought D-Rob wasn’t worth that length of contract and money. MLB Relief Pitchers with more than 60 IP:

        13th in WAR
        47th in WHIP
        47th in ERA
        37th in Earned Runs Allowed
        31st in BABIP

    • chris hines

      You mean loyalty like Bernie and Mariano going to Sox in order to force larger contract offers? This is a business and baseball players and business men and rightly so. There is no such thing as loyalty past dollars and production in this game on either side.

      • SweetSpot

        Not anymore you’re right. By the way I don’t believe for a second that Mo and Bernie would ever have put on a Red Sox uniform.

        • chris hines

          It’s pretty confirmed Bernie was mad enough at the original offer to do so, he just came back to make them up the offer. If they hadn’t he wasn’t going to take the lesser deal, it wasn’t a bluff. Still even using your biggest rival to ensure a bigger payday doesn’t really fall into the general definition of “loyalty”. It was and still is a business, as it should be.

          • SweetSpot

            I don’t agree at all. Loyalty is spending your entire career with one ball club; whatever the behind-the-scenes business goings on. Bernie called for a meeting with George and said he wanted to be a Yankee and they worked it out. I wonder if D-Rob did that. Maybe. Maybe not.

            • chris hines

              Said he wanted to be a Yankee as long as they met his money demands, they did, had they decided to draw a hard line he would’ve left and played for the Sox.

              • SweetSpot

                I don’t think he would have.

                • chris hines

                  OK but everyone else involved says otherwise.

                  • SweetSpot

                    No everyone does not. In any event, we can disagree about that but the point is the Yankees made an initial offer, the Sox made a much larger one and Bernie and his agent, I think it was Boras if I’m not mistaken, called George and they sat down and talked and Bernie said let’s work it out I really want to remain a Yankee. In the end they worked it out.

                    • chris hines

                      This site wrote an article about how close he was to being a Red Sock.

                    • SweetSpot

                      I remember the articles well. I still don’t think in the end the Yankees ever intended to stick to their initial offer and I also don’t believe Bernie would ever have played for the ed Sox.

            • forensic

              They never even made him (Robertson) an offer. How was he supposed to stay with them at that point? If they never made him an offer, is he just supposed to retire instead of going somewhere else so he can be loyal?

              • SweetSpot

                From what I read the Yankees never made him an official offer, as in when you sign the last page it’s a done deal. I’m pretty sure the two sides talked and discussed where they were. The Yankees offered a $15 million one-year deal and I would imagine, but I don’t know obviously, they made it be known to his agent they would do a three year deal. Maybe in the end there were phone calls where the Yankees agreed to go four but decided not at the AAV they were hearing others offered. I don’t know but I think we will find out the details and then we will know.

    • forensic

      Huh? The Yankees reportedly didn’t even make him an official offer. Jeter got an enormous contract. Mo had been the highest paid closer in the game forever. Even Posada and Bernie (after he was very close to leaving) got big contracts from the team. This isn’t at all Robertson’s fault.

      • SweetSpot

        It’s not a matter of fault. I’m sure they had talks. I wonder if D-Rob got in touch with Cashman to say he wanted to remain a Yankee. They offered him $15 million for one year he opted for the long term four year deal. We’ll all find out the details I’m sure. He’s gone.

  • Alfredo Negrin

    The Yankees plan is not going to budge. it was either Miller or Robertson, a SS, Headley, McCarthy and a flyer on a pitcher like Masterson or Kris Medlen.

    • ScottinSJ

      Then it’s probably Say Goodnight Gracie.

      • Alfredo Negrin

        That’s how next off season will go also, things are not changing until Beltran, Teixeira, and Prado be come FA. that’s about 48 million coming of the books, then the next year it’s CC, and A-Rod and that’s another 50 Million. Around 100 million off the payroll in 2 years.

        • ScottinSJ

          Of course you’re right, but some people here refuse to accept that.

        • chris hines

          I think there’s a chance they sign Upton next offseason because of his rare combination of youth and talent. We’ll have to see how think shake out with Beltran and Arod first, I wouldn’t make them the favorite but I wouldn’t write it off.

          • Alfredo Negrin

            I can see it but they would have to move a couple of pieces before making the move.

            • chris hines

              If Arod comes back and gets hurt so badly he has to retire they don’t, like I said we have to wait and see how it shakes out. At worst Beltran would have one more season on his deal, you can trade him a bag of balls and pay the entire final year and you’re done making moves.

              • Alfredo Negrin

                You would still have to pay Beltran when you trade him, that does not help the payroll. and just because A-Rod gets injured does not mean he will retire, he most likely keeps on taking our money. We would recover some from insurance but not all of it.

                • chris hines

                  I actually covered paying the last year of the deal so clearly I understand that. My overall point is Upton is going to be 28 years old as a free agent, that’s kind of guy Hal would open the budget for. What he doesn’t want to do is continue to pay old guys long term deals and clog up the payroll

    • chris hines

      No to Masterson, whatever we do we should stay far far away from Masterson. He fits Yankee Stadium like chocolate in a chili.

  • nycsportzfan

    Its not all about how hes played to this point mike, its projecting as well. I”m with the Yanks, I don’t trust Drob going forward. I felt like every other outing he was throwing 90=91mph fastballs that were catching a ton of plate that I was thanking the good lord players weren’t swinging at. I know its not easy to do, but sometimes you gotta go with a hunch as well. I’m with the Yanks, I think Drob’s best yr’s are all ready behind him and a good chunk of his best seasons are gonna end up being the ones in Pinstripes. Miller is bigger, more physical pitcher who was always supposed to be awesome and didn’t just come outta nowhere, and hes a Lefty which is a nice bonus. I just trust Millers stuff to hold up longer , personally.

    That said, I’ll miss Drob for sure!

  • yankinvegas

    Savings at SS from last year 11.5
    Savings on Young from Ichiro 4
    Savings on Kuroda 16

    Kelley did a good job when Robertson was hurt. Let him close and then tag team 3 groups of righty-lefty :
    Betances and Miller
    Warren and Wilson
    Phelps and Webb with Lindgren in AAA ready to come up in June

    Stealth signing of Lester tomorrow and then sign McCarthy or Volquez or even Kuroda back for 12 which means the first year of will almost be all paid by the savings. Give Headley 55 for 4 which hurts my hand to type but is the market rate for him.
    The mere fact that the Yankees never never made Robertson an offer makes me optimistic on Lester.
    How ridiculous is Sherman for writing how Robertson will be harder to replace than Mo was.
    Two points – last year they were all writing how Robertson had never closed. He did fine. And in 2012 when Rivera got hurt in KC and then Robertson got hurt, Soriano took over and saved more than 40 games in only 5 months.
    Closers are the easiest players to replace by the nature of their job. Most competent pitchers can put a zero especially when facing the bottom of the order and it is even easier with a 2 or 3 run lead

    • ScottinSJ

      If they let Kelley close, they won’t win 80 games. Maybe not even 75.

      • yankinvegas

        Then sign Grilli.
        Obviously, the Yankees were fine with Miller over Robertson. The job is overrated and as long as a guy has a strong stomach, he will do fine.
        I mean Jose Valverde and Fernando Rodney have been All Stars.

        • ScottinSJ

          “The job is overrated and as long as a guy has a strong stomach, he will do fine.”

          You’ve gotta be kidding me. So all Mariano needed was a strong stomach? Do you have any idea how tough it is to get those final 3 outs?

          • Alfredo Negrin

            I think he was talking about being able to close games for couple of years, many guys have done it. Mariano was a different case, he was awesome and remained consistent.

          • chris hines

            Mariano is the greatest closer of all time, how many teams have won a World Series with not the greatest closer of all time? The rest of them in history, The Red Sox won one with Keith Foulke. Closers are extremely overrated, the Mitch Williams school of “mind set” has to be the worst mentality left in baseball.

          • yankinvegas

            To every rule there is an exception. Mariano was the exception.
            Look at the closers for WS champs since 2010 – Wilson, Motte, Romo, Uehara, Casilla.
            Nothing special with any of them. Kelley is as good as any of them. He throws 94 with a good slider. He can do the job.

      • Macho Man “Randy Levine”

        I don’t think Kelley closing would be the reason for that.

    • Alfredo Negrin

      You forgot to add $25 million for Alex Rodriguez!

      • Pete22

        Actually, its only 18 million in actually salary paid (he actually made 3 million last year), but the AAV does jump to 25 or 27 from 3

      • yankinvegas

        Alex money was a known for this year a long time ago.

        • Alfredo Negrin

          Still was not on the books last year, therefore it must be added to this years payroll.

  • ropeadope1

    Pale Hose got him at a Sale price.

    • Macho Man “Randy Levine”

      Oh for the love of…

      How’d you like that beating your fantasy team took this week? Ha ha!

      Oh, that’s right, I’m still not getting into the playoffs thanks to the pitiful performances by Dalek’s and Gonzo’s teams.

      • ropeadope1

        Pat, you did a great job with your team this season. Made the least roster moves of all, but were consistently good from beginning to end. Beat me twice. If I’m allowed to return to the league next year, I’ll try to reverse that result (or at least get you once).
        —–
        Can’t blame Dalek. Scheisters registered the highest weekly point total for the entire season. But I was very disappointed with the Great Gonzo. Starting Thomas (DNP), Jennings (extremely limited), and Richardson (sucks) was not a competitive effort.

        • Macho Man “Randy Levine”

          I’m actually kinda proud that my team went 8-6, because I missed most of the draft and I always felt like my team was thin. I just didn’t see any real good moves I could make, so I didn’t. I was also focused on my other league where I started 8-1, but finished 9-4 and just got trounced in the playoffs, which sucks.

          Yea, I think Gonzo gave up. And I get on Dalek’s case constantly, so I don’t care that he was beaten by a team that had a great week.

          • ropeadope1

            Hadn’t been aware of your missing majority of the draft. So, the auto system made your picks? You must have made very sound decisions in your starting lineup on a week to week basis. One of my problems (among many) was leaving big points on the bench (although this week, my entire roster was pitiful).
            —–
            Question out of curiosity. If Roddy White couldn’t go tonight, what was your plan? I grabbed Davante Adams the other day so he wouldn’t be available to you if White was declared inactive.

            • Macho Man “Randy Levine”

              Yea, the auto system made about half of my picks. I think I just got some lucky performances here and there.

              I didn’t even know White was dinged up, so I guess I dodged a bullet there.

              • ropeadope1

                Yes, White had been listed as questionable, although he said he would definitely play. But sometimes players are overly optimistic about their injury status. Douglas probably would have been the logical fallback, although as it turns out, Starks from GB would have been the optimal pick (and could have been used since White was your W/R/T).
                —–
                I need to turn in and try to recover from the latest brutality. Catch up with you later.

  • UnKnown

    I don’t want to go all “Big Dan” here but honestly why is anyone suprised. I have been saying all of last season actually that DRob is gone. The writing was not only on the wall but actually written in stone. This is not surprising at all.

    The pen will still be an absolute huge strength. Use the money elsewhere, or pay Drob 4/46 and pass on Miller. Yanks are more than fine in the pen right now.

  • chris hines

    The real White Sox news is getting Samardzija for Semien and their 15th best prospect.

    • Farewell Mo and Jeet

      IMO, Beane rolled the dice going all in last year and lost and now he’s trying to recoup those lost assets as best he could. Bottom line is that Semien and Bassitt plus a half year of Hammels and Samarjizda and another 1st round exit in the playoffs sure seems like a paltry haul for Russell, McKinney and Straily

  • UnKnown

    Well we will always remember Drob’s last Yankee Stadium appearance as the greatest blown save in history. Thanks for the memories High Socks…

  • nycsportzfan

    What I hope the Yanks do next is get on the phone with Atlanta and see if they can get Evan Gattis from them. That kinda right handed power as well as energy and clubhouse character would go along way, especially with Cappy not in the clubhouse no more. we could play him at C, 1B, LF, DH, and prob RF , as well as a PH’er. Gattis , Prado, Ells, McCann, Gardner, Gregorius is a interesting core offense that with any help at all from Tex, Alex, Beltran, Refs, could be really dangerous.

    Then add a Justin Masterson on a nice little show me deal and lets go get em.

    • Macho Man “Randy Levine”

      Gattis sucks and fits nowhere.

      • nycsportzfan

        I completely disagree.

        • chris hines

          He’d cost more than he’s worth to us since he’d basically be a super sub who’s below average to a complete sieve at every position he could play.

          • nycsportzfan

            His defense isn’t ideal but his arm is fine for the OF(catcher), and im sure his power on a mostly powerless team would be more handy then his not so good defense.

            • nycsportzfan

              Also his OBP and BA are on the rise. Its not crazy to think those both can continue to go up some while keeping that power.

            • chris hines

              He can’t move well enough to be anything but a defensive liability, he’d never be able to man LF in Yankee Stadium. They aren’t giving him away, he’s going to cost a pretty decent prospect haul and he won’t get the ABs here to make it worth the deal it would take to get the Braves to say yes.

            • Macho Man “Randy Levine”

              The sample sizes are small, but his outfield defense was absolutely terrible in 2013. I also don’t like his extremely low OBP numbers. I just don’t think the combination of bad OBP, probably bad defense and the fact that he just doesn’t fit when you’ve got McCann, Teixeira, Gardner, Beltran and ARod makes it not worth it.

              • nycsportzfan

                His OBP and BA both went up from his 1st to 2nd yr. He also hit 357BA in his one postseason series(16 AB’s) and is only 28 yrs old, and very well could still not have topped out. We don’t know what Tex, Alex, or Beltran will bring us, they may spend more time on DL then with team. That power could be priceless with that group as your main source of power.

                But to each there own. I like em for this Yankee team, but i agree, hes not without flaws.

                • Macho Man “Randy Levine”

                  You make some good points. I’m just not a fan. I have a feeling that the Braves would want too much for him anyway.

                  • nycsportzfan

                    Fair enough. Its a tough job being a GM. I coulden’t imagine having to make decisions of players who clearly have faults but also attractive strengths and having to factor in money and age..etc It’d be fun but really stressful.

                • chris hines

                  Actually his average went up but his walk rate stayed identical to the previous season at 5.5% and his strikeout rate actually went up from 21.2% to 24.2%. The main difference between the two seasons was his BABIP went up from .255 to .298, I can’t say for sure he won’t keep that up but he’s not fleet footed so that’s probably right at his max in that department.

                  • nycsportzfan

                    I’m just really worried about the power on the Yanks again. I know they resigned Chris Young, but who knows what he’ll do(??), and Belty,Alex,and Tex can’t really even be counted on a combined 60 HR’s, let alone near what they’re being paid. That leaves McCann, Ells, and Prado , who all can hit it out but not enough to be called power hitters. The lack of power is super scary to me , yet again this yr.

                    • chris hines

                      Power is down across the league, especially right handed power, which is exactly why Gattis won’t come cheaply. I don’t think anyone is arguing he’s a bad player, he just doesn’t fit on this roster at the price it would take to acquire him.

        • Terry

          You are not starting Gattis in place of Gardner in LF, not even in Fenway.

          Good heavens.

          A legless Gardner with both of his arms injured makes up the overall value in defense alone, and especially in the void that is the Yankee Left Field.

          If you get Gattis, he’s either the Catcher, the DH or the RF.

          But there’s no way the Yankees would get Gattis because he doesn’t fit the team and the Braves would be fool-hardy to get rid of him.

    • blake

      The braves can’t score and gattis is a controllable bat…..the braves are trading him because he doesn’t have a position ….and the yanks DH spot is clogged enough

    • forensic

      Gattis can’t play any position and the Yankees already have too many DH’s. Jeter had nothing to do with power or energy (especially in recent years, IMO). And Masterson would be a terrible signing, also IMO.

  • forensic

    Disappointing that they chose this route over what ended up being $2.5 million per year. Even more disappointing that they apparently never even made him an offer.
    Sure better hope Miller suddenly cutting his walks in half is for real.

    • nycsportzfan

      Yes Forensic, it sucks Drob’s gone, but at the same time, the W.Sox better hope Drob can keep his velocity as its all ready dropped some from a couple yrs ago, and the way he goes at the plate, keeping the ball in the ball park may become a big issue. Love Drob, but don’t trust him for 4 more years.

      • Farewell Mo and Jeet

        I don’t really trust any reliever, Miller included for 4 more years.

        • nycsportzfan

          Fair enough

      • RetroRob

        A pitcher’s velocity dropping is not unusual as they age, yet Mariano’s velocity dropped also when he went from set-up man to closer, and there is a similar reason. D-Rob started throwing the cutter the last couple years under Mariano’s direction, and cutters are often mistakenly categorized as fastballs. Pitchers who throwing cutters also show a decrease in velocity. In other words, it may not be any concern.

        D-Rob’s the last three years, 2012 forward:

        FIP
        2.49 (2012)
        2.61 (2013)
        2.68 (2014)

        K/9
        12.0
        10.4
        13.4

        H/9
        7.7
        6.9
        6.3

        Looking at FanGraphs, I don’t see a tremendous fluxuation going on with his velocity. It’s down a little from a couple years ago, but actually in line or higher a couple year prior.
        Moving forward I understand the concern, but getting back to my earlier point, Yankee fans have been tremendously spoiled because of Mariano and the pretty easy transition to D-Rob. They don’t realize how good he is and I’ve seen that reflected in the posts here.

        They’ll be fine because this is not like trying to replace Cano. They have other good arms and the Yankees do seem to have a competency in building pens, so I do trust them. If they believe Miller is the better option moving forward then they may be right. Yet D-Rob is quite good.

        • chris hines

          Miller doesn’t have to be a better option to make this a good move, he can just be comparable and the fewer dollars and draft pick compensation would still allow the deal to be better.

          • RetroRob

            Sure, and I’ve said as much. From both a business and a player perspective this move could make perfect sense. Having Betances, bringing in Miller, drafting Lindgren, while letting Robertson leave and replacing him at a lower cost and getting a draft pick can all fit together. I’m just pointing out the other side of the equation.

      • forensic

        Any reliever for four years is tough, but I have a hell of a lot more faith in Robertson than Miller over the next four years.

    • chris hines

      His xBB% of 7.8 says it more than likely is and steamer is projecting his walk rate next year to stay similar at 8.3%.

  • RetroRob

    A few words from Klaw on the White Sox’s acquisition of an “outstanding” reliever: “The White Sox also picked up an outstanding reliever in Robertson, which makes their bullpen substantially better in the short term, but are paying the premium in years that every free-agent reliever seems to get these days. Chicago lacked any kind of “closer,” proven or otherwise, before this deal, but the real benefit to Robertson isn’t his saves (or history of getting them). Rather, it’s his ability to miss bats. He was a bit unlucky in 2014 in allowing a career-high seven home runs despite a low fly ball rate.”

    There’s more behind the Insider wall.

    • Farewell Mo and Jeet

      Unfortunately, he couldn’t opine on the A’s haul that superficially appears to be light since that side of the deal wasn’t established when he wrote the column. Hopefully he’ll expand on it tomorrow.

      • RetroRob

        He said he wouldn’t, or couldn’t?

        • Farewell Mo and Jeet

          Couldn’t since he didn’t have the specifics as to what the Sox were sending back to the A’s

          • RetroRob

            Right, oh I did see that. I was surprised since I thought the players were known. He’ll no doubt update it tomorrow.

  • Gish

    Wasn’t worth the money. Miller is a better pitcher. Betances is a better pitcher. Take the $46 million and put it toward Headley or maybe Lester and don’t think twice.

    • vicki

      you are out of your fucking tree. you are not alone.

      • Gish

        Not only is Miller better, but by letting Robertson go, the Yankees gained a draft pick. Considering all that, and with Betances coming into his own, and other veteran bullpen guys still available, this was absolutely the right choice. It is you, my dear, who is out of your tree. :)

  • chris hines

    We may not all agree with the moves but I’m sure we can all agree that it’s good to finally be in the heart of the offseason where moves are actually happening!

    • vicki

      what the fuck are you talking about?

      no.

      i reject you. i reject what you said.

  • Terry

    Yeah.

    As a fan, I am not pleased.

    As a businessman, I’m shocked they sent off DRob at that price, and with the purchasing power adjustment in Chicago’s locale, to include everything from financial networking and advertisements, this points to one conclusion:

    They had Betances as their “Closer of the Future” all along.

    So it wasn’t that they weren’t signing Robertson, as much as they were getting rid of him. I don’t believe for a second that they offered him a serious multiple year offer of four years, that’s just PR. The Yankees couldn’t fit 4 years for $46 Million for their own home-grown closer hand-picked by Rivera?. And that’s assuming Robertson wouldn’t agree to a hometown discount? And that also doesn’t account for the lures of advertisement income and exposure in the media market of New York?

    Well, at any rate, Dellin is the new closer.

    As a fan, I am not pleased.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      “As a businessman…..”

      You ain’t dick, son.

      • Bpdelia

        Jorge i often agree with your opinions but this is basically trolling

        First off you have no idea if he’s a businessman. From the wording and style of his response I’d say he probably is.

        Second why may assume people are lying? It’s cynical, rude and quite frankly extremely juvenile.

        Third because you disagree with his opinion he is, what? A couch surfing vagrant?

        Is it that anyone who makes a comment you disagree with could not possibly be an intelligent and productive person.

        Fourth. His analysis of the situation is pretty easy to defend. It’s quite clear they had no intention of keeping him. That price was MORE than fair. In pretty sanguine about it. No season ever will hinge on Robertson leaving or staying. It’s a bit disappointing. And personally for the extremely tiny percentage of revenue difference I’d have kept the home grown player with the longer track record of excellence but the teams decision is certainly defensible taking draft position into consideration.

        Very disappointing comment. Adds nothing. Needlessly insults another actual human being. Literally further debases the entire tone and culture of the site and contributes, however infinitesimally the continued eroding of empathy and respect that has degraded our culture and makes me spend an amount of time i never imagined possible talking to my kids about a basic human value I’d thought was an easy sell.

        Respect and empathy dude. It makes the world go round.

        You must sucked another tiny bit of it from the world and should feel shitty for having done it.

  • vicki

    welp. elisabeth kubler-ross, and mlb network, you lying fucking whores.

    so, losing cano seemed an exception at the time. but now we see it wasn’t a one-off. it was the start of a pattern.

    rab hippie-regulars, gird your loins. i AM dalelama. i AM stuart a. i am who big game thames wishes he was.

    fuck you, laundry. no mercy.

    • forensic

      Um, everyone back away slowly, I think vicki has gone over the edge…

      • vicki

        all the way over. in a marvel comics origin story this is the night i became … the troll.

        • blake

          Lol

  • Kenthadley

    For those ready to jump off the ledge over Robertson, his arm was shot by the end of the year…or maybe you forgot his performance in the last Jeter game. Sox MAY get one primo year out of him, but he’s already on his way toward pedestrian. With what Yanks already have in bullpen, plus some hot kids in AAA and AA, signing a short term vet is really all that’s necessary at this point. Even Kelly looked decent saving games last year, and he’s probably fourth on the list of candidates right now. This is a readily solved problem.

    • forensic

      Or maybe it was one bad game that happens every so often to every pitcher in the history of the universe.

      • Kenthadley

        It’s not a one game assessment. It’s giving someone four years for what might be one or two good ones.

        • vicki

          like andrew miller?

        • forensic

          Which is different from Miller how? Robertson has a far more attractive and reliable track record than him, who suddenly cut his walk rate in half for one season.

          • vicki

            yes, but that one blown save jeter yadda.

    • vicki

      hush, child. grownups are talking.

  • forensic

    So, I’m catching up on some of my reading from during my hiatus (a little of it was that I was busy and didn’t even have time to read, or didn’t feel like reading, through Mike’s stuff). Anyway, I just happened to come upon one of Mike’s ‘Thoughts’ posts and this thought couldn’t be any more on point given what happened tonight:
    4.
    For whatever reason, I am not at all confident the Yankees will re-sign
    David Robertson. I’m probably still scarred from Robinson Cano leaving
    last year. That was a bit different though. The Mariners made it very
    easy to say goodbye to Robbie with that contract. Something tells me
    Robertson will get a pricey but not insane contract the Yankees should
    totally match or beat, but won’t. I’ve got this terrible feeling that it
    will all play out similar to Martin’s free agency a few years ago. He
    hits the market, the Yankees talk about having interest in re-signing
    him, then bam, he agrees to contract with another club before New York
    even makes an offer. I dunno, maybe I’m just paranoid. Re-signing
    Robertson seems like a such an obvious move yet it hasn’t happened yet
    and that worries me.

    Guess you weren’t just paranoid.

    • vicki

      this is why it sends a bolt of fear through me when mike says this stuff. he’s too often prescient. dammit.

      dammit.

  • blake

    Just saw this news…..it sucks….I understand the reasoning I guess but it still hurts to let your homegrown closer leave over a few million bucks.

    They do get the draft pick but what can they do with the 10 million difference between DRob and miller?

  • blake

    I kinda always thought DRob was gone…..they just never seemed to make him a priority much in the same way they didn’t cano…..they gave the topic proper window dressing when asked but never really showed much motivation. The last few days I thought maybe I was wrong…..but seems they always were going with the cheaper miller unless DRob took a big discount

  • Yankfanwon

    Seriously? That’s not a huge contract. Seems the Yanks should have been able to match. Very disappointing, particularly given the Sox’ 1st round pick is protected.

    • vicki

      it’s not the nba. same compensation for the yankees, no matter who signs our guy.

    • forensic

      Protected picks don’t matter anymore. That only affects whether they lose one or not. No matter what, the Yankees only get a supplemental round pick.

    • Jake

      Guess Cashman didn’t want to make it that easy for Girardi in the last 3 innings.

  • bardos

    If the Yankees did not sign Robertson, it means they did not really want him at this juncture. For them he was basically dispensable after Miller’s signing. Take the draft pick and run.

    Lately, Cashman’s strategy looks to be that of an ebay sniper. He does not bid, knowing this would drive up the price. He waits until the last minute when the item has been shopped around everywhere and then makes a final take it or leave it bid. This could be what is happening with Lester at the moment.

    Meanwhile, it looks like Headley is waiting to see how much money the Yankees have for him after wherever Lester signs. I think I read that the offer by the Astros is 5yrs $65 million. At this moment in time, Houston really has to overpay to get folks to go there. I can see Headley leaving $5 million on the table, maybe a bit more.

    • forensic

      Personally, I wouldn’t go anywhere near 5 years or $65 million for Headley.

  • blake

    Well if the Yanks do sign Scherzer at least they will still have a first rounder now……even if it’s 10-15 picks later

  • bardos

    Waiting for the farm to produce… meanwhile the Yankees sign a great strikeout pitcher, say upwards of 27/9, they then play with 9 dh’s and win most games.

  • Dario Rojas

    Yankee management better have some moves soon because so far this is an extremely uninspiring offseason…. After 2 seasons of mediocrity to get more of the same may mean empty stadium and very low ratings on YES and lots and lots of lost dollars….

    • forensic

      But they already resigned Chris Young! He had that big three game stretch of hitting. All is well now that they have him secured for all next year!

  • TripleShortOfACycle

    So much for them building a KC bullpen

  • Doron Stauber

    For what it’s worth, Back iin 1996, after the Yanks let Wettelend go, there was a similar sentiment amongst Yankee fans.
    Not sayin that Dellin is Mo. But u have to admit that there is similarity in letting Drob go after 1 very good year of Dellin.

    • TripleShortOfACycle

      Do we get to have the rest of the 1997 team?

      • Doron Stauber

        LOL.
        I wish.
        I’d b happy to get Knobby back all things considered.

    • forensic

      It’s not just about letting him go and who replaces him. It’s about them, for some reason, refusing to even give him an official offer and letting him walk while preferring to sign another guy to a contract over what ended up being just a $2.5 million difference, at least IMO. I sure hope they know something we don’t about Robertson, because otherwise this is very aggravating to me.

  • Doron Stauber

    1 more very important tidbit.
    2 of 3 albatross deals are over in 2 years. 3rd in 3.
    The Yankees will be able to be much more active in free agency on their new more healthy terms soon enough.

    • forensic

      I know who you’re referring to, but it could very easily be said that Ellsbury’s contract will end up being another one of those albatross contracts. Just like a possible Scherzer/Lester deal could. Those expiring deals will help, but not all that much if they potentially continue the cycle.

      • Doron Stauber

        That is not only the Yankees problem, rather all of Baseball.
        The system in which players reach free agency in their age 29-31 seasons, and want payment on their past, rather then their future.
        Baseball is ALL ABOUT #’s. Old school #’s like BA, HR, H, RBI’s, OB%. etc. and the various new measures like babip, blah blah blah blah etc etc.
        Players should be paid a base salary, and be compensated on a statistical basis. With players injured being compenstated on a fair scale base on their last 2 seasons avg.

      • Mike Darwin

        You are correct, but as of right now, in 2018 Ells would be the oldest player on the team at 34 (tied with GGBG and McCann). He and Tanaka are the only ones with guaranteed contracts past 2018 (with a number of buyouts/options for 2019). That would only give them one heavy contract to carry, which I’m sure they could deal with, and the odds of an OF being decent in his mid-30s is better than a starter. It really looks to me like the Yankees have their eyes set on 2018 as the target, and would be surprised if they sign any players to contracts that will carry them past that point.

  • Bobbi

    I am not very happy to wake up to this news. Not happy they let a quality player/person like Robertson go without making a formal offer. Just don’t even know what to say.

  • Bobbi

    I feel like I’m just upvoting a bunch of comments this morning – I really don’t know what to say myself – but a bunch of you have expressed what I’m feeling pretty well, thank you very much. Brett Gardner is the only player they’ve extended and kept from 2009 that wasn’t tied to a contract that forces them to keep/extend them. (CC – at that point in time, you had to extend him, no?). Seems like they are erasing all ties to the pre-Hal era. But why Brett Gardner??????

    (Is this actually true, what I just wrote, or am I in some kind of pre-caffeine, I can’t believe the Yankees let another favorite go, state of mind?)

  • Bobbi

    It’s aggravating. They wouldn’t go 8 for Cano, but went 7 for Ellsbury. They didn’t go 4 for DRob, but went 4 for Miller (an unknown quantity). I bet dollars to donuts they get the money together for Headley. They want new blood.

    • forensic

      Eight for Cano likely wouldn’t have made much difference. The Mariners went 10 and that was that. I don’t blame them one bit for not wanting to go there.

      • Bobbi

        Oh, I didn’t blame them, either. And the Mariners did make an offer that would have been insane for the Yankees to match AND for Cano to leave on the table. My issue, I guess, is that they’re not really fighting to keep my favorites. At least with Cano, they made an actual offer. With DRob, they just let it sit out there. I do wonder if after they signed Miller so quickly that DRob didn’t just say, enough of that. And we’re not talking about chopped liver players – both are elite at their positions and you’d think that if they were not Yankees, the Yankees would have been in heavily on both as FAs.

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          KEEP BOBBI’S FAVORITES!!! WHAT, IS THIS THING ON?!?!

          • Bobbi

            Huh? So, I have a selfish streak, what can I say? I’m not getting the all-caps, Jorge.

            • Masahiro Odell Nakamura Jr

              Losing D-Rob has hit Jorge pretty hard, so he’s gone a bit crazy.

          • Wave Your Hat

            Nothing wrong with that. A little honesty is always refreshing.

    • Mike Darwin

      Ells is a year younger, signed for 3 years less, for almost $3m less per year, and plays a position where players are more likely to age well.

  • Yankee Trader

    Now the Yankees need another arm. Here’s a list of the ranking of the 2015 available free agent pitchers.

    http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/transactions/free-agents/pitchers

    Pick up Luke Gregerson, Who is young and proven BP arm.

    The White Sox got Jeff Samardzija for 3 WS minor leaguers, the best one ranked number 15 in their system? Why didn’t Yankees get involved there?

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      For a year of the shark?

  • Jorge Steinbrenner

    Well, this isn’t what I wanted to wake up to.

    Don’t know what to say. That was a fair price. I’d been willing to top that. Guess we’ll hear more moving forward.

    This is how hard it is to replace legends. You wind up having to wade through the pretenders.

    We move on.

    • Yankee Trader

      Jorge
      Good morning. It is time to move on. I posted a list of available 2015 free agent pitchers and their rankings just below. Now it’s time, to go get some arms.

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

        Little choice but to.

        I’d have matched that, even gone up to 4/48, but time will, hopefully, tell us what happened there.

        There will be a third reliever, I’m pretty confident of that, but it may now cost us prospects, which I’m less thrilled at. Cashman is still in “acquisition mode.” There will be more presents under the tree. They just won’t be ones we saw graduate from the Scranton Shuttle to being elite on the mound at YS3. Not easy to let go of that.

    • Bobbi

      Move on we will, but we need to have a cathartic expelling of the WTFs this morning, I think.

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

        Oh, I’ve already read your comments. May I suggest yelling into a paper bag instead?

        • vicki

          knock it off. this is no morning for detachment, or rational aloofness, or whatever it is you’re going for.

          feel, man.

          i stand with bobbi.

    • blake

      I think it’s very fair too …..the only thing I can figure is that they are in fact worried about his workload. Emotionally Id like to see them give their own the benefit if the doubt on that though

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

        Possibly.

      • Yankee Trader

        The workload could be a definite possibility. Last few weeks of the regular season,he was not the same surefire closer. Was this due to fatigue?

      • Bobbi

        Blake, the scenario in my head was that he, Miller and Betances could share the workload, with DRob maybe getting most of the save opportunities, but not all. But in that case, I guess he wouldn’t be worth as much money as someone who is “the” closer. So maybe the Yankees would have gone to $2 million more per year than Miller, but not more than that. And once the White Sox made the offer that was for more per year, of course they didn’t make a formal offer. They weren’t going to match or beat it. It’s like with Cano, they had a contract in mind and weren’t going to budge.

        • blake

          Oh yea they could have kept DRob at closer and let miller and Betances pitch more innings…..but at the end of the day with all their other needs I doubt they wanted to invent 90 million in the pen

          • Bobbi

            Except that they have a questionable starting rotation, with not one pitcher to be counted on for going more than 6 innings with any regularity. I sincerely doubt they allow Tanaka to go complete games anymore. And they don’t seem to be interested in any of the FAs besides McCarthy at pitcher, and even him at the exact right cost. So spending on the back end makes sense if you’re not spending on the front end (meaning starters, not front end of the bullpen).

  • Bobby d

    As we sit here this morning the Yanks are closer to last place than first! They better have intentions of signing at least two if not three starters. Since the season ended they lost McCarthy, Greene, Kuroda, and Capuano. All of these pitchers were necessary because of the injuries Now they lose a closer who has proven he can handle the pressure of New York and the ninth inning. What are they thinking?

  • HoopDreams

    Talk about a dagger to the heart, man. I hate seeing longtime home grown players leave. Hopefully we get some Yankees news today involving Headley or something

  • Wave Your Hat

    Very sad to see DRob go but I have been trying to emotionally disinvest in him for the last month or so because my idiot brain kept telling me the Yanks were going another way. The Yanks will miss him, he was pretty much money in the bank whenever he appeared in a game.

    However, I firmly believe the Yanks will have an excellent pen, anchored by Betances and Miller, with whoever of Warren, Phelps and Mitchell don’t make the rotation and the young guys. Plus Rothschild is very good.

    Just spend the savings, Yanks!

    • blake

      All this

    • Bobbi

      I didn’t emotionally disinvest. I did the opposite. Especially after they signed Miller, I convinced myself they were going for the Killer Pen.

      • TB

        They still are – the relief market is deep and they are going for another relief pitcher

        • Wave Your Hat

          My guess is if they get another reliever, they won’t spend much money on him. IMO every spare nickel they have should be spent on the rotation and the offense.

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

        What’s funny about that is that the names are convincing you they’re not.

        Who says that the team can’t have a killer pen with the pieces in place already?

        • Bobbi

          That’s absolutely true, Jorge. They could. And just as true is they could have kept Robertson and NOT had a killer pen. You never know until the season plays itself out.

          The one thing the Yankees seem to do well is running their bullpen. So, I should give them the benefit of the doubt here. Just honestly did not want to see DRob leave. Until the reality really sets in, all responses to this turn of events are pretty much from the emotional side, not the logical one.

  • Austinmac

    I figured Robertson was gone. They don’t want to spend $20M+ on the back end of the pen. Likewise, I don’t think they want to spend over $70M on three starters. No what what hopes we have, the budgetary issues are still strong.

    We can hope they use the money elsewhere rather than simply exchanging Miller for Robertson.

    So far, we are down four starters and a 3B from last year.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      Down four starters? That’s just a straight misrepresentation.

      • Austinmac

        Greene, Capuano, McCarthy and Kuroda. See you didn’t even need to take off your shoes. That doesn’t even include Tanaka who may too be lost rather quickly.

        • TB

          they are actually down 1 starter – 3 of those starters replaced injured pitchers

          • Jorge Steinbrenner

            And three of them are still out on the open market.

          • Austinmac

            Yes, two replaced the injured CC and Tanaka. Confident in their health? Kuroda was the team’s most consistent pitcher.

            They can replace them. No doubt. My point is they need to do so.

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          So one starter. Ok.

          Quit being a smart ass when you’re intentionally misrepresenting facts and even quasi-trolling.

          • Austinmac

            Kuroda doesn’t count? Or is it McCarthy? Greene? They needed Capuano last year who pitched better for the Yankees than Banuelos or Mitchell pitched in AAA.

            What are you talking about?

            • Jorge Steinbrenner

              Shane Greene is not coming back. Kuroda and McCarthy are still out there. Capuano grows on trees.

              As TB correctly pointed out below, most of the guys you mentioned were injury replacements.

              The Yankees should be in the market for starting pitching. I think we all agree on that. They are, however, not “down four starters” in a market where not one starting pitcher has put pen to paper yet. That’s an intentional misrepresentation meant to get a rise here. You’re trolling. And I’m moving on.

    • Yankee Trader

      And if the Giants don’t nab Lester today, then the Yankees might likely lose Headley to them.

      • Austinmac

        It seems obvious that is the tipping point for Headley. The Yankees are drawing dollar signs in the sand over which they don’t intend to cross. If the Giants don’t get Lester I do expect them to use some of their money on Headley.

  • TB

    I said this earlier in the off season if the Yankees signed Miller and someone like Gregerson and got the 1st round compensation pick for Robertson it would be the better way to go. Now we will see. The first 2 parts of my 3 part scenario are done…Because I believe Betances will be an insane closer and I think its not a stretch to think he will become the best one in the league in the next 2 years so if we have betances closing followed by Miller, Gregerson, Warren, and Lindgren that’s just an amazingly dominate bullpen…

    • Yankee Trader

      From this list of free agent pitchers, I also suggested the 30 yo Luke Gregerson.

      http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/transactions/free-agents/pitchers

      • Austinmac

        I read on MLBTR Gregorson wants three years. Grilli wants two. Relievers have gotten more expensive.

        • Yankee Trader

          Gregerson is 30 years old, Grilli, I believe is 38.

          • CashmanNinja

            Gregerson will definitely get 3 years. Grilli will not get a multi-year deal. Maybe a 1 year deal with a vesting option based on appearances/saves/etc. But there’s no way Grilli even deserves 2 years at this point. He’s old and simply not worth that, and this is coming from someone who would take him on a 1 year deal.

        • TB

          yes expect gregerson to fall in the 3 for 20 range –

  • blake

    Before the offseason I questioned wherever they should spend big on a reliever at all……they have so many other needs that spending 40+ million at closer seems like a bad allocation of resources……

    It was only in the last couple days that I thought maybe they woukd sign DRob too and really lock down the pen.

    I think in reality they never were going I sign DRob unless he came below market value……much like with cano they chose a lesser and cheaper option…..only this time they didn’t have to spend 235 million so……

    I just hope they use the money saved for something and draft a star with that pick.

    Farwell DRob …..really enjoyed your time in pinstripes

  • Bigdan

    I doubt they’ll be any more major spending on the bullpen. The key now is to get Warren back in the bullpen. The Didi deal not only hurt the starting rotation by losing Greene, but hurt the bullpen by moving Warren. The Yanks absolutely need to add two quality starters now. And that just gets you back to Square One, where they were last year in the bullpen and the starting rotation.

    With each day it becomes harder and harder to see how the Yanks will put a better team on the field in April than the one they had in September.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      Moving Warren? Ah, fuck it.

    • blake

      Bold prediction: Warren won’t be in the rotation

      • TB

        Blake he wont be – he isn’t a good starter – he will be back in the bullpen

      • Bigdan

        Except that right now, Warren might be better than CC, the Yanks’ current No. 3 starter. Let that sink in a bit. Or maybe it would be better to have Rogers as your No. 3 or No. 4 starter.

        That’s the problem the Yanks are facing right now. Keep robbing from Peter to pay Paul.

  • Jake

    Guess spending 80mil+ on bullpen doesn’t make much sense when you have other important needs to fill. Hope they get Headley and McCarthy signed.

  • Jimmy

    Robertson was a good guy and very easy to root for. He had a huge challenge this year and stepped up for the team. I’ll miss the high socks. It seems a shame that he was valued less than Miller, but the front office knows a lot more about the two of them than anyone here will.
    I wish him the best of luck in the 155 games that the White Sox don’t play the Yankees this year.

    • ChristIsKing

      This front office has shown their assessment of players isn’t always on point.

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

        Neither is anyone else’s.

      • Ninja0980

        And sometimes they’ve been dead on like with Joba.

  • blake

    As I’ve said if Grili is cheap Id think about him but other than that Id be about done with the pen

    • Mayan Brickann

      Don’t know he’ll be cheap or not, but is the goal to add a “proven closer”? Grilli isn’t one.

      • blake

        Sure he is…..once you get last the top guys he’s about as proven as any of the rest out there. You could use him as depth or you could close him in games that aren’t high leverage etc

        • Mayan Brickann

          No, he isn’t. He’s a guy who successfully closed one season. He sucked last year. Pirates, a playoff contending team couldn’t get rid of him fast enough. If he’s cheap, fine, but I wouldn’t expect much of him.

          • CashmanNinja

            Technically D-Rob only successfully closed one season as well… But as for Grilli, I don’t understand the hate. He has experience in high leverage situations. He may not be an elite closer, but bullpen arms are funny. They can have a really crappy year and then suddenly have a great one. Grill sucked last year, but the year before that he was an All-Star. I’m not expecting a sub 2.00 or 80 K’s over 50 innings, but I do think he could put up solid numbers at a bargain price tag.

          • blake

            Point is that a lot of closers are up and down like that….Id only be interested if he’s pretty cheap for 1 year ….

        • Yankee Trader

          I don’t want Grilli either. You might as well look at KRod then.

          Just go get Gregerson, and focus on two arms for the starting rotation.

    • Yankee Trader

      So this is the current pen:
      Betances
      Miller
      Kelley
      Wilson
      With one of Phelps or Warren, who currently have been told to be ready to start when St rolls around.

      One more dominant arm for the pen please.

      • blake

        Could end up being JRam or Lindgren …..they have in house options

        • Yankee Trader

          It could be Lindgren. I hope so. I read a few days ago where his walk rate skyrocketed.

          • blake

            Small sample I think and he was tiring

            • Yankee Trader

              A small sample size is all you’ll get with a first-year minor-league pitcher. :)

              • blake

                I would think they’d start him off in lower leverage spots…..obviously he will start off in the minors but Girardi will make him earn his role in the bigs…..

        • Austinmac

          I’d say both of them are riskier than Refs at second. Lindgren has what 20 innings? Ramirez couldn’t stay healthy through April.

          As much as I think Robertson is a big loss, the other holes are needed to be filled more in my opinion. We simply don’t know what money is left in the budget.

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

        I’m pretty sure putting them both back in the pen would be pretty easy.

        Walking back off the ledge, Warren/Kelley-Miller-Dellin ain’t so bad. I doubt that’s where we end up, though. Did you hear the Royals invented the modern bullpen last season?

        • Yankee Trader

          And rumor has it that that modern bullpen might be one and done! Rumors have it that the Royals are listening on Davis and Holland.

  • TB

    Reports also state other than the qualifying offer the Yankees never made an offer to DROB. Pretty obvious they had decided to move on from him and take the draft pick

    • Austinmac

      That report was surprising. They preferred Miller, it seems. Does that tell us they would be more willing to lose their pick since they have one at the end of the first round?

      • TB

        I think not only did they love miller. I think they wanted to add 2 bullpen arms instead of 1 and the fact that they don’t want to block BETANCES who is the obvious long term closer of the future

        • Bobbi

          The timing wasn’t good if you think about it in those terms. I mean, Betances was filthy last season – and in all likelihood should be able to be the closer at some point. If he closes this year and does a good job of it, then, well, I guess signing DRob to 4 years would have been putting a roadblock in his way. But in a perfect world, DRob would have been a FA next season, not this season. Or he would have taken the QO.

          As for the draft picks, I don’t put much stock in those. Too iffy.

    • YakaTanaka

      Formal offer

  • Bret The Hitman

    So this is what the Yankees were working on last night.

    • Austinmac

      It seems the Lester rumor was just that. Not a word suggesting the Yankees are involved in any newspaper today.

      • Bret The Hitman

        What were they doing last night?

        • Austinmac

          Not signing Robertson. That’s all the information I have.

          • Bret The Hitman

            Well, shit.

        • Yankee Trader

          They were joined in prayer, hoping that the Giants signed Lester and therefore have little money left over to compete for Headley.

      • forensic

        What’s a newspaper?

  • Bret The Hitman

    Does this tell us the Yankees want the DRob pick because they plan to forfeit their own by signing Scherzer or does it say they value picks in this particular draft and prefer to keep their own by signing Lester and adding one by letting Drob go (apparently never making an official offer).

    • YakaTanaka

      Probably neither. The pick is just a factor that has to be added to the acquisition cost of each. Cashman has said he views himself as an asset manager, and that’s the way to look at it from a financial perspective.

  • Austinmac

    The Yankees have limited money to spend. While I don’t like that idea, if true, they really have to allocate the remaining money for areas of true need. I wonder if 3B is considered such an area. We know starting pitching certainly is.

    • Bigdan

      The Yanks No. 3 starter now is CC. No. 1 and No. 2 each spent half of last season on the DL. What does that tell you?

      • Bret The Hitman

        Trade Arod for a pitcher.

    • YakaTanaka

      Did you ever think their money was unlimited?

      • Austinmac

        No, but I decided after little reflection you add nothing to any conversation.

        • YakaTanaka

          More like you don’t like being challenged.

  • Bret The Hitman

    What about that BS report Lester was going to sign before the morning but after 9pm? That was obviously aimed at one of the bidders in that auction.

  • Dude

    Doesn’t anyone remember the Tex signing. There was no news of Yankees involvement and then they signed him out of nowhere

    • YakaTanaka

      Yet you’re concerned there was no news they talked to Beane about Shark?

  • Bret The Hitman

    If they add Gregorson after adding Gregorius I’m going to get suspicious.

  • TCF16

    What a fucking nightmare. Just a horrible, horrible decision by the Yankees. Absolutely pathetic.

  • Dude

    Losing Robertson is not the concern. The lack of involvement on Shark is a concern as he would have been perfect.

    • CashmanNinja

      The A’s needed a short stop. We didn’t have a short stop to trade…

      • Dude

        We have that guy from Cuba Mateo

        • Mayan Brickann

          Not close to MLB ready though.

          • CashmanNinja

            Yeah, he’s far away. They needed a SS…and might I add…one that can start this year *

    • Mayan Brickann

      No evidence the Yankees have what the A’s were looking for in exchange for Samardzija

    • YakaTanaka

      How do you know if they were involved? Not every conversation between two GMs is reported on.

  • Bret The Hitman

    Are they going cheap in the pen because they’re going cheap all around (as BigDan once wrote months ago) or because they’re going big in other areas? Big arm? Big bat? Big both?

    • CashmanNinja

      It’s not even about going cheap. It’s about being wise with spending. Just because you have money doesn’t mean you can throw it around. That’s like going to McDonalds and paying $100 for a Happy Meal. Why spend so recklessly? In the end it’s still a business. They probably figured they could get 2 players for the price 1 (D-Rob) so it was a smarter business move.

      • Bret The Hitman

        2 Happy Meals for the price of 1? The hell you say.

    • Mayan Brickann

      Bat? No. Unless you count Headley. Arm? Maybe. Can still see them in on Scherzer.

  • YakaTanaka

    I don’t find it disappointing at all. Yankees got Miller for maybe $25 million less between cash and pick.

    I’m sure some are flipping over the “no formal offer” bit, but I would say there’s as good a chance that’s semantics as anything. If they informally tell you the offer isn’t enough, why waste everyone’s time?

    • blake

      I think it’s hard to assign like a 15 million dollar value to a late first round draft pick……maybe that’s some sort of average for what they are worth? I don’t know but if so that average had to be greatly affected by the few outliers that make it to the big leagues and end up making big money…..most late first rounders never amount to anything……

      But I can see how the money + the pick plus maybe concerns over Drobs workload at have swayed them towards miller

      • YakaTanaka

        It’s an expected return. So, yes, the best players have an impact on the value. As they should. (And they’re not outliers, that’s a misuse of the term.)

        The reason picks have so much value is that the ones who make it get paid $500k their first three years and then arb salaries three years. Say Lingren makes it and is just a solid LOOGY/decent setup man. What would a comparable vet cost you? Probably $4-7 million? In three years he’s given you $10.5-19.5 million in value. Then in arb years he’s probably giving you several million more. And that’s an example of a good but not great RP becoming the outcome. What are the odds Lindreg becomes at least a solid LOOGY? 30, 40%? Then within those odds are the chance he becomes a truly elite RP. Maybe I’m optimistic, but 10, 20%? And then there’s a chance he has a little value as a guy in the back of your pen. Plus the trade value he has as a prospect. Let’s say 30% chance he’s a mediocre RP worth a total of $5 million above veteran repacement in his 6 control years, 20% chance he’s a solid RP worth $15 million, 10% chance he’s a very good RP worth $25 million, leaving a 40% chance he’s worth next to nothing besides let’s say $1 million in trade value (seems very conservative to me). That’s $7.4 million in value for a mid-2nd rounder using fairly conservative estimates. (A weighted average of the conservative probabilities of those outcomes: .3*5 + .2*15 + .1*25 + .4*1)

        You start getting into earlier picks who could displace veterans that cost a lot more than $4-7 million annually, and the value grows quite a bit. (Granted probability goes done vs. Lindren, which is why they’re not worth some insane amount.)

      • YakaTanaka

        To be clear, those calculations are an oversimification to demonstrate the logic.

  • Gregory Eckes

    The success of Betances this year combined with the young bullpen arms coming up through their system (Lindgren, Montgomery, etc.) probably spelled Robertson’s fate. The good thing is that the Yankees acted first by getting Miller. The one thing (only thing) the Yankees have been able to develop are quality bullpen arms.

    • Mayan Brickann

      Doom, eh? Everyone should be so doomed.

      • Gregory Eckes

        Fate? Better word.

        • Mayan Brickann

          Much

  • Yankee Trader

    As Jorge mentioned, one year of the shark. The best player that the Oakland A’s got from the White Sox was their 15th ranked minor leaguer. I think the Yankees could’ve matched up with the Oakland A’s.

  • Bret The Hitman

    What if Lester/Scherzer + Headley are givens and it came down to DRob vs. McCarthy? In that light I’d take McCarthy.

    • blake

      Yea but I doubt that’s the case

      • Bret The Hitman

        Well McCarthy over Shane Greene makes sense because they saved on DiDi.

  • cashmoney

    Yankees clearly picked Miller over Drob, over the next four years not sure that’s a bad choice.

    • Let’s Go Yanks

      They picked Miller + the draft choice over DRob. There could be another low level closer experience type added to this equation like Grilli or Soriano.

      • cashmoney

        Yes, there also exist the possibility, Yankees let walk a marquee player whose best days might be behind him. I say this because I notice a slight erosion of Drob velo, his age, his size and what I project him in a year or two. And, we shall find out down the road. JMO.

      • blake

        Well plus the money too

  • Bigdan

    So the four known teams have offered 6/150 and the mystery team has offered 7/175 for Lester? What other teams play in the 150+ end of the pool?

    • Let’s Go Yanks

      the Marlins now?

      • Bigdan

        For free agents?

        • Let’s Go Yanks

          it was a joke though they do have the cash

          • Bigdan

            Well they did give more than that to Stanton. But to answer my question, the Angels have.

      • Y’s Guy

        Stanton is playing for something like 9M next year, I expect that had to be with the stipulation that they go get him some help.

    • Rick

      Blue Jays

      • Bigdan

        The ownership has the means for sure, but they’ve never done that before for a FA and supposedly they are close to budget limit now.

        • Rick

          I don’t believe teams during the offseason that claim they have a budget and aren’t yet near the luxury tax. I also would toss the Angels into any free agent bidding war.

          • Bigdan

            Angels I think is the best choice because they’ve made strikes like this before. Doesn’t sound like a Toronto move. It could be a team like the Mariners last season for Cano. A team looking to break into the big time. Not sure who that would be though.

  • Y’s Guy

    Ill take that draft pick thank you! And congrats to Drob who’s set for life now and did a great job as a Yankee. Now the bidding on Lester is 7 years and north or $150M! That’s crazy! He didn’t even make Olney’s list of the top 10 SP’s in baseball! That’s a really really stupid contract. Go get him Giants!!!

  • Y’s Guy

    If that’s true, Scherzer will be over $200M. Go get him Cubbies!!!

  • Yankee Trader

    Let’s say the Yankees aren’t in on Lester or Scherzer.
    Then of the Free Agent Starters pick two of these, Or add your own:
    McCarthy
    Kuroda
    Liriano
    Santana
    Volquez

    Or would you try and swing a trade for CJ Wilson who is reported to be available?

    • CashmanNinja

      McCarthy and Kuroda, hands down. But if Kuroda really is going to retire then I’d add Masterson. I think Liriano is the best of that group, but I just don’t view him as worthy of losing a 1st rounder over…especially a top 20 pick.

      • Yankee Trader

        It would be nice to have a lefty in the starting rotation for balance and pitching in Yankee Stadium.The concern I have with Liriano is that he hasn’t pitched 200 innings and has a questionable medical history.

        • CashmanNinja

          A lefty would be great, but they’re few and far between. Liriano has some great stuff, but his medical history scares the crap out of me. I’d actually be willing to forfeit our pick for him if he didn’t have all of the medical red flags. If he had durability on his side he’d be very worthy of a nice contract.

      • Yankee Trader

        Do you think Masterson can turn it around? Or do opposing teams just try and lay off the sinker, and get him to pitch it up in the zone?

        • CashmanNinja

          Masterson lost a bit off his FB last year, and that is some cause for concern, but I think money is a great motivator and he wants a big contract badly. As long as he’s healthy I think he could rebound.

    • Rick

      The prices on the other guys, particularly McCarthy, would have to be way too high before I considered CJ. The only good thing about CJ is that he’s basically on a two year deal. Average of $19M is tough to swallow though.

    • YakaTanaka

      Top two, probably.

  • Rick

    Welp, this kind of sucks. I will miss D-Rob. One less guy wearing high socks now.

    • pfoj

      Who on the team wears high socks now? Just Gardner and A-Rod the six games he is healthy? Crisis.

  • Let’s Go Yanks

    2012 Closer: Soriano, 2013 Closer: the great Mo, 2014 Closer: DRob, 2015 Closer: ??

    The point being, it has been a revolving door for the past three seasons.

    • CashmanNinja

      Soriano closed because Mo got hurt. Then Mo retired after being in the league for years and years and years. He was a fixture in the bullpen since the 90’s. Revolving door? Well usually it’s hard to replace a legend like that. D-Rob did fine last year, but he wanted more money than the Yankees wanted to give. Some people on here are so funny. When Mo retired there were people crying for the Yankees to get a proven closer and keep D-Rob in the setup role. Now D-Rob left and suddenly you’d think he was Mariano Rivera.

      • Scott

        I had forgotten about that. Mike should pull up the posts from last year’s off season about replacing Mo. I bet most of these people complaining about DRob being gone this year are the same people that whined he should remain a set up last year.

    • Y’s Guy

      Wow, you go 15+ years with one closer than you’re supposed to have the next 17 year man insantaneously? And remember it was Mo being hurt that made Soriano the closer then Mo retiring that made Drob the closer. So that’s 3 in 16 years. Many tems use 3 in one season and don’t get near the production that the Yankees have recently.

    • http://www.google.com/ Tanuki Tanaka

      You’re aware that most teams have revolving doors at closer?

      • Rick

        And also aware that the closer position has not even been remotely problematic the last 3 years.

  • dalelama

    Like I said,”One step forward, two steps back”, I hope sometime in my lifetime we get serious about contending again.

  • TCF16

    It’s insane how so many of you are valuing a second round draft pick over a proven MLB star. Typical fantasy GM basement bullshit instead of recognizing reality. The Yankees would rather pocket the money than spend it on the team. They could have a $500mm payroll and still rake in hundreds of millions of dollars in pure profit but they’d rather sign a reliever who hasn’t pitched one inning in NY and boot DRob’s ass out the door.

    • CashmanNinja

      Star? D-Rob was good and all, but I wouldn’t throw the word “star” around for him. Prior to last year he was a setup man. He was a very good pitcher and helped us out, but some people act like we just lost the best reliever of all time. It’s going to be alright. As Aaron Rodgers says, R-E-L-A-X. Relax.

      • Mayan Brickann

        Top 5 RP in MLB over the last 4 seasons.

        • Rick

          And that’s not even debatable. He was absolutely a star reliever.

    • dickylarue

      They all think they’re so smart with their draft pick win. Meanwhile, those are lottery tickets which in recent Yankee history haven’t paid off. And before anyone starts puffing their chests out about Aaron Judge, he strikes out a ton and isn’t as highly rated as other prospects. I think he’s a lot of hype right now and wouldn’t be surprised to see him flame out.

      • Y’s Guy

        It’s not just Drob’s gone. It’s Miller for less money plus a draft pick where Drob used to be. I think it’s a smart move.

        • dickylarue

          Miller, who basically struggled until putting it together for 1 complete season at 36 million and a draft pick. Sounds shrewd to me.

          • Y’s Guy

            Many mlb people rated Miller ahead of Drob last year. AND Miller left money on the table because he wanted to come here.

            • dickylarue

              And many of them if Miller regresses and goes back to what he was would say “I told you so” in a heartbeat.

              • Y’s Guy

                same if Drob repeats his September. Only for more money.

                • Rick

                  D-Robs September was fine, it was his August that was disastrous. You’re right in that both of those months his performance was below his March-July.

                  • Y’s Guy

                    I think they’ll both be really good, assuming they both stay healthy. Best of luck to Drob against everybody else.

                  • Y’s Guy

                    I think they’ll both be really good, assuming they both stay healthy. Best of luck to Drob against everybody else.

              • Scott

                Look at Miller’s last three years back to 2012. He didn’t just have one good year. His stats have gotten better every year since 2012. Use some facts. and oh BTW, Robertson had his worst year last year. DRob may be hitting a wall.

    • Y’s Guy

      Stop with the $500M crap, that’s just ‘somebody said’ bullshit.

      • Scott

        True, said by one guy, not confirmed by anyone. A guy who isn’t associated with the Yanks.
        As for TCF’s statement. You have to wait and see how the offseason plays out before you say the Yanks will pocket the $10. They may use it to sign Scherzer or Lester or Headley.
        BPs can be made on the cheap. It is the place to save money.

  • dickylarue

    I think it’s disgraceful that the Yankees who print money from fans paying the highest prices refuse to afford to keep their own. Cano, now Drob. This is a complete joke. David Robertson deserved that contract and he deserved it from the Yankees. We got a draft pick? Hooray. Cashman will blow it. Don’t worry. If you’re keeping score, what they just did was choose Miller over Drob because he’s cheaper. Has nothing to do with talent, loyalty, track record. They chose him because they saved $$$.

    We are now rooting for the bad guys. Our front office only cares about profit and budget. Sure they may go out and give Scherzer 90 years and 100 million per, but that doesn’t take away from the fact that they can afford to bring back Drob and sign 2 pitchers and Headley – they just don’t want to spend the money and pay the tax. Rome is falling.

    • CashmanNinja

      Only cares about profit and budget…the team with the 2nd highest payroll in baseball. Yep…so evil. If you don’t like what they do then go cheer for the Marlins or something.

      • dickylarue

        It feels like I am cheering for the Marlins now. The Yankees are letting all their homegrown stars walk for more money from other teams.

        • CashmanNinja

          Ok…and you also fail to realize that the Yankees suddenly aren’t the only team in baseball anymore with a fat wallet. Teams get enormous TV deals that allow them to go and spend money. A few years ago the Texas Rangers had a 20 year deal with Fox Sports that will pay them $80M a year. That’s an extra $80M a freaking year to spend on free agents that they didn’t previously have. And it’s not just them. Many teams get that sort of increased revenue now. That’s why these players get so much money. It’s not like the Yankees pocket all of their profit. If they did they wouldn’t have such a high payroll. Last year they got McCann, Ellsbury, etc. They spent enough in 1 year that it could rival some teams’ opening day 25 man roster payroll.

          • dickylarue

            So because other teams are finally spending like the Yankees once did, the Yankees should waive the white flag when it comes to resigning their own few stars that are left? As for last year’s spending spree that was because the minor league system and Cashman’s wonderful drafts all didn’t pan out and produce players. It’s also because they got cute with Russell Martin who wanted to stay here for a fraction of what he’s now worth. Look to the budget. It’s leading all the choices and then they realize what they did and go out and overpay.

    • Jimmy

      I think that kid just tweeted that he’s heard that Scherzer has a possible offer from the Yankees for $9B/90.

    • pfoj

      We’ve always been rooting for the bad guys. The Yankees are closing in on a century as the bad guys.

      • dickylarue

        They were the bad guys because they’d stop at nothing to win and give their fans the best players they thought were out there. Now our owner enjoys watching the balance sheet more than the box score.

        • pfoj

          Yes, we really have it tough, cheering for a team that spends more than anyone else as opposed to what we’re used to, cheering for a team that spends way more than anyone else.

          • dickylarue

            Hey, if you’re happy with it, good for you. You’re gonna miss Drob when our 600 run offense burns out Betances and Miller by June.

            • pfoj

              Robertson is one of my favorite Yankees of the past decade, I miss him already. I just live in the real world, where the Yankees do not have an infinite amount of money.

              • dickylarue

                Actually, they do. But they’ll be thrilled seeing comments from fans who think they don’t. The propaganda mission is working then.

                • pfoj

                  I am quite sure the Yankees have a finite amount of money.

        • Game 3

          In the meantime, MLB changed the rules on them. They’re trying to get out of the mud of dumb decisions that got them there (for example, extending CC and A-Rod, you know – the best players available).

        • Game 3

          In the meantime, MLB changed the rules on them. They’re trying to get out of the mud of dumb decisions that got them there (for example, extending CC and A-Rod, you know – the best players available).

    • Game 3

      Loyalty? He was paid to do a job. That’s it. Let’s not be melodramatic.

    • blake

      there is somewhat of a trend starting…..it started with Swisher and Granderson and while it was the correct decision to let those guys go…..it was kinda the start of them letting their own guys go…..maybe even earlier with Damon. In those cases I think it was a situation of it was just time to move on…..with Cano and Drob they have purposefully let really good players go to sign lesser players to less money…..

      • Rick

        You’re seeing the lasting effects of bad contracts. This point in time was always going to come as a result of Tex, CC, A-Rod all being super expensive at one time while not being worth it performance wise.

        • dickylarue

          That’s the real story here Rick. The Yankees got 3 guys clogging payroll and instead of hypothetically eating their money and still building their best team, they’re using them as the excuse for why they can’t compete (in a sense). My argument there is this team can afford to outspend those bad deals. I mean, Drob signed for 10 million less than what was rumored he was going to look for/get. I think he was a bargain at this price and would’ve said to the league after 5 innings you better have a lead against the Yankees.

          • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

            I think they have someone else in mind to close for maybe 1/2 the money.

      • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

        Sounds like the way the RS do things.
        Really tho, it is a bold move in a way.
        The have deemphasized the closer role. After 20 years of Mo you would think that role was elevated.
        Middle relief/setup guys must be more valuable than lockdown closers in this brave new world.

        • Rick

          Seeing that people have been clamoring for years to use your best relievers in the highest leverage situations – as opposed to definitive roles – your statement is somewhat accurate. However, it’s not that middle relief/setup guys are more valuable than “lockdown closers,” it’s that teams can get high quality relievers for a lower cost when they don’t have the Closer TM attached. The theory then follows that teams can then get more of them and have better relievers throughout the later innings rather than one “lockdown guy” for the 9th.

          • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

            You don’t think Betances was more valuable than Drob last year?

            • Rick

              I do think he was more valuable. My position is that you don’t necessarily need to spend big dollars on a closer. But simply because Betances was more valuable than Robertson (at least in my opinion), that doesn’t mean that can hold true for every other team or be statistically significant to the point that it’s the new rule. Most teams do have their best relievers as their closers. Most teams don’t have a Betances.

            • Rick

              I do think he was more valuable. My position is that you don’t necessarily need to spend big dollars on a closer. But simply because Betances was more valuable than Robertson (at least in my opinion), that doesn’t mean that can hold true for every other team or be statistically significant to the point that it’s the new rule. Most teams do have their best relievers as their closers. Most teams don’t have a Betances.

        • blake

          closers just aren’t that important…..they are nice….but other stuff matters more. Still doesn’t mean it doesn’t hurt to lose Drob

          • Scott

            Truth is, if you look at some of the outs the Yanks set up men got last year, they were more difficult than some of the guys DRob faced in the 9th. Betances would be called on to get through the middle of the order in the 7th or 8th in a tight game and DRob would face the 7-9 hitters.
            Granted it didn’t always happen that way. I like DRob wish he would have been resigned, but he isn’t, I’m not going to bitch and moan now about it. It won’t change that he is gone. What I am going to do is root for the guys that are now on the team and hope for the best out of them.
            Every season a team lets a very popular player go from their team. That is what FA is about. The players have good seasons during the arb eligible years and want to make the most of it. Sometimes their teams think they are worth that money, sometimes they do not.
            The Yanks have been very good at putting together BPs the last several years, so I’m not going to sit here and say the Yanks aren’t making the playoffs because DRob is now a White Sock. They won’t make the playoffs because the offense sucks.

          • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

            Mo wasn’t important?
            Seems like they get taken for granted, like anyone can do it.
            We have been lucky but you must have one.
            They’re like good umpires or actors.
            If you notice them they are prolly not that good.

        • Scott

          If you look at the league the last 2 years, I think you can say that is the current trend. Middle relievers and set up men are just as important as closers.

    • craig

      So, let me get this straight.

      The Yankees are old and need to get younger. They make a trade for a young SS and Cashman failed because Shane Greene is a future HOFer.

      The Yankees need to be smarter with their money. They get a very good BP arm on a reasonable deal and let DROB go, which also nets them a sandwich pick. Now, they could potentially still sign another closer and have a lights-out BP for less $ plus an extra pick and the money that comes with it…yet, Cashman failed here because he didn’t just sign a homegrown guy to a 4 year $50 million deal.

      Maybe the Yankees offered 4/44 and DRob took the other offer. Maybe the FO thinks his health didn’t warrant going further.

      People need to take their heads out of their asses. Saying goodbye is hard when you like the player, but sometimes it’s the right thing to do. If DRob wanted to stay here he could have. DRob chose not to.

    • FriarFlyer

      They offered him $15.3 a year for one year and he turned it down…

    • Scott

      Since we are now rooting for the bad guys, pick another team and root for them, and stop coming on this board to complain. If you want to debate moves in a logical manner, lets do that, but if you want to say “Rome is falling” go find a new team. Take your hyperbole elsewhere.

  • Kevin McCaul

    It’s a shrewd move on the the pRt of the front office to let Robertson walk away. Lots of talent available in the bullpen, still, but I hate to see D-Rob go. He’s been a favorite of mine for years.

  • pfoj

    Good night, sweet prince.

  • Game 3

    I’m fine with it. Just get a relatively cheap closer. Don’t waste Betances or Miller in that dumb spot.

  • Yankee Trader

    Gotta run for a while.

    Again here’s a list of the top Free Agent Pitchers:

    http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/transactions/free-agents/pitchers

    Cashman- go get some arms today!!

  • TripleShortOfACycle

    If the Yankees had no intention of resigning him why didn’t they deal him last year at the deadline?

    • Y’s Guy

      because they were 3 games out of first place at the TD maybe?

      • TripleShortOfACycle

        Sorry but that team was in no way making the playoffs. They are the most backward thinking team sometimes. Do you honestly think we would have traded Lester if we were in the Red Sox situation?

        • Rick

          Yes.

        • Y’s Guy

          you were advocating trading him at the TD?

          • TripleShortOfACycle

            As long as I knew for sure the Yanks had no interest in bringing him or Cano back I was in favor of dealing both of them. Lose the battle to win the war

            • dickylarue

              Exactly. Letting them walk for sandwich picks looks moronic. I would’ve been pissed if they traded them, but if they got something like a Cespedes in return for Cano at that time it would’ve looked logical.

            • Y’s Guy

              They didn’t replace Cano, they replaced Drob already.

            • Y’s Guy

              but you are saying that they should have been trading guys at the TD because they had no shot to win. Just wondering if there were any quotes about trading talent at that time because they had no chance to win. Because I dont remember them.

        • blake

          eh I think the 2014 team had a much better chance of making a run than the 2013 team…..the league wasn’t as good and they had more talent in 2014. It just didn’t happen. They absolutely should have sold in 2013…..that team had not shot despite where they were in the standings.

    • dickylarue

      Because Cashman’s drafting acumen and history with sandwich picks is just so strong!

    • Yankee Trader

      Maybe the Yankees were concerned about his September numbers?

      Gotta run.

    • Mayan Brickann

      Because the mistakenly fancied themselves a contender.

      • Y’s Guy

        So all you guys can come up with some quotes from the last weeks of July where you advocated trading Robertson, right? Otherwise that’d be, like December Quarterbacking or something, right?

        • Mayan Brickann

          I never advocated trading Robertson in July because I thought it best to keep him around as their closer for seasons to come. That had nothing to do with the Yankees standing at that point, which was faux contender at best.

          • Y’s Guy

            So then your complaint is that Miller for less money plus a draft pick, just isn’t as good?

            • Mayan Brickann

              Not exactly. Last year he was as good, perhaps even better. But no matter how anyone wants to paint it, last year was IT for Miller. He never had a season that came close to last season’s level of success. Robertson’s track record as a key contributor to the Yankees has been one of year to year consistency over the past 4-5 seasons. Guess I was more sold on the consistency than the one hit wonder.

              • Y’s Guy

                I can totally see that, I’m a big Drob fan, I have no argument with that. It’s the trollinsh “why didnt’ they trade him in July” people who never said they should trade him in July that get me.

                • TripleShortOfACycle

                  I don’t think it is fair to label it as trollish. Had I known then that they had no intention of resigning him of course I would have wanted them to trade him. Same with Cano

              • Scott

                So Milller had his best year last year and won’t repeat it. Robertson had his worst year last statistically. What do you make of that?
                If Miller has a great year can we refer back to this post of yours?

    • blake

      well they could have but 1) they had enough talent to potentially make a run last year and 2) what you can get for a rent a closer is somewhat limited…..I don’t see it as a similar situation to Cano the year before…..the 2013 just didn’t have enough healthy talent and they could have probably gotten a serious prospect for Cano.

    • Chip

      First you’re assuming that they had no intention of re-signing him. I think they were clearly interested in re-signing him but had a number in mind that he was able to exceed.

      Second, the compensatory pick is probably as much value as any prospect they would have gotten in a trade for a rental closer towards the end of the season anyway.

      • calripyankee

        Not really, Yankees will get what amounts to a late 2nd rd pick.. Better than nothing, but could easily turn into that..

        • Chip

          Nah – the pick will be in the mid 30s to low 40s – that’s, at worst, a high 2nd round pick.

          • calripyankee

            Are you sure?? The White Sox don’t forfeit their #1 pick.. If you are, that makes this much easier to understand.. They could add this pick, with the assumption they ll lose one by signing Scherzer..

            • Rick

              Teams lose their picks (Top 10 protection), but they don’t go to the team who lost the player to FA. Rather the team losing the player simply gets a supplemental pick. This has been in place since the new CBA

            • Rick

              Teams lose their picks (Top 10 protection), but they don’t go to the team who lost the player to FA. Rather the team losing the player simply gets a supplemental pick. This has been in place since the new CBA

            • Chip

              compensation round is between the first and second rounds and you get a pick that corresponds to where the player you lost went (so since Chicago had pick 8 the Yankees would get a high compensation pick. Right now there are 29 teams picking in the first round (Toronto and Seattle have lost their picks for Russ Martin and Nelson Cruz) and I’m sure other teams will start losing picks too as guys like Scherzer, Liriano etc…fall off the board. I think the Dodgers and Giants right now have higher compensation picks because Boston has a higher pick than the White Sox.

              So, if I’m right, the Yankees get what’s currently the 33rd pick in the 2015 draft for Robertson.

              • calripyankee

                Thanks.. Not bad… They may need it.. Can’t see the Yankees not inking Scherzer and/or Shields, the way things are playing out..

                • Chip

                  Right – and if the Yankees ink Scherzer the pick moves up to 32 – that’s what makes this pick so valuable. It enables them to sacrifice their pick to sign Scherzer and not fall to the 2nd Round.

                  I still think today ends with the Yankees signing Lester instead of Scherzer though.

          • calripyankee

            Are you sure?? The White Sox don’t forfeit their #1 pick.. If you are, that makes this much easier to understand.. They could add this pick, with the assumption they ll lose one by signing Scherzer..

        • FriarFlyer

          The pick they get is after the first round and BEFORE the second round begins

      • calripyankee

        Not really, Yankees will get what amounts to a late 2nd rd pick.. Better than nothing, but could easily turn into that..

  • BPH

    Really need to see how the rest of the offseason plays out before we can judge this non-signing. I will be aggravated if the Yanks are suddenly pinching pennies, but as we saw last year, they may just be planning to allocate the funds elsewhere.

  • Rick

    Can someone please tell me what the A’s are doing? You essentially trade Addison Russell for Semien and Bassit? White Sox with some shrewd moves to get D-Rob and Samardzija. They are certainly better today than yesterday.

    • http://www.google.com/ Tanuki Tanaka

      Feels like a few other trades but I can’t name off the top of my head. Happens with less years of control and deadline vs off-season I guess, in addition to how Oakland values things weirdly.

    • Y’s Guy

      And Moss for a guy who’s not even a top 10 prospect on his former team.

    • Y’s Guy

      And Moss for a guy who’s not even a top 10 prospect on his former team.

  • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

    Once again Hal takes no prisoners. Here’s the offer, take it or leave it, we’ll go on without you.
    Makes you wonder if they ever were taking Cano back.

    • Y’s Guy

      I’d consider that the smart way to budget. Here’s what we are willing to pay. Constantly trying to outbid the next guy leads to good but not great pitchers like Lester getting 7/$175M. (shades of Zito)

      • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

        It’s why I keep saying there is a referendum out on Hal and his way of doing things. He is indeed the anti-George.

        • Y’s Guy

          Cashman does the negotiating. Hal okays or vetos or limits the offers. I think the negotiating style is Cashman’s.

        • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

          I could only imagine the fights he and Dad could have had:

          Geo: I am buying that horse, he can’t run like that one but he sure is pretty.

          Hal: C’mon Dad, you can get the other one for 1/2 the price, he might not be as proven a winner but he’s got potential.

        • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

          I could only imagine the fights he and Dad could have had:

          Geo: I am buying that horse, he can’t run like that one but he sure is pretty.

          Hal: C’mon Dad, you can get the other one for 1/2 the price, he might not be as proven a winner but he’s got potential.

  • Monterocouldstillbedinero

    Betances will step in and step up. He will make us forget DRob and we can spend the money wisely elsewhere.

    • dickylarue

      Hope you’re right, because just like Miller, Betances only put it together for 1 season. Yankees are doubling down on 7 here.

    • dickylarue

      Hope you’re right, because just like Miller, Betances only put it together for 1 season. Yankees are doubling down on 7 here.

      • Chip

        Could have said the same thing after the 96 season when the Yankees let Wetteland go and promoted Mariano to closer.

        • dickylarue

          Absolutely. That was a leap of faith that paid off. You willing to bet this one is set in stone? The great thing about Drob was he would do anything. If Betances started getting saves Drob would’ve been cool with Girardi using him in different spots to put out the fires. For a team that values character, he was a character guy.

          • Chip

            I don’t think there’s any reason to believe that if the Yankees go with Andrew Miller or Andrew Bailey or someone else in the closer role that Betances would have a problem with it.

            Do I think Betances will be Mariano? No, but then again Mariano was the best ever and so I don’t think anyone (including Robertson) will put together a career like that. Do I think Betances can be an effective closer like Robertson – absolutely.

          • Chip

            I don’t think there’s any reason to believe that if the Yankees go with Andrew Miller or Andrew Bailey or someone else in the closer role that Betances would have a problem with it.

            Do I think Betances will be Mariano? No, but then again Mariano was the best ever and so I don’t think anyone (including Robertson) will put together a career like that. Do I think Betances can be an effective closer like Robertson – absolutely.

      • Y’s Guy

        7 is the most common roll.

      • Monterocouldstillbedinero

        We have 2 big young guys with healthy arms who are now primed to take over. One was unhittable last year, the other a lefty in YS which is always a plus. The DRob money can go to Headley who I think will be a very important player as I have my doubts Arod will make it out of ST without injury.

        • dickylarue

          I hope you’re right. I hope we do see the savings from Drob to Miller allocated other places like Headley and some starting pitching. The team needs help. Still a lot of holes and major question marks in the rotation.

          • Scott

            The team also has some very good young arms at AAA including Burawa and Lindgren.

        • dickylarue

          I hope you’re right. I hope we do see the savings from Drob to Miller allocated other places like Headley and some starting pitching. The team needs help. Still a lot of holes and major question marks in the rotation.

  • Eric in the ATL

    Disappointed to lose DRob, but will be more disappointed if we lose Headley.

    • calripyankee

      “Brokeback” Headley??

      • Rick

        How much time has Headley missed due to his back injury?

        • calripyankee

          A lot… A couple of epidurals and he s good to go..

        • calripyankee

          A lot… A couple of epidurals and he s good to go..

      • Rick

        How much time has Headley missed due to his back injury?

  • Chip

    I give Joel Sherman a tip of the cap for most ludicrous take on Robertson leaving. His assertion is that it’s going to be very difficult to replace D-Rob because they don’t have another D-Rob in the wings. He postulates that while Betances was great last year he can’t really be counted on because he hasn’t done it over a long period of time. Heading off the “neither did Mariano when he replaced Wetteland” push back he further states that the odds are slim to none that Betances will be able to match what Mariano did. Clearly the odds are slim to none that Betances (or anyone else) will ever have the career Mariano did, but I would say the odds are perfectly good that Betances (or Miller) will emerge as an effective closer.

    If you do subscribe to the notion that the only good closer is a proven closer then it’s worth remembering that Andrew Bailey is also on the roster.

  • Chip

    I give Joel Sherman a tip of the cap for most ludicrous take on Robertson leaving. His assertion is that it’s going to be very difficult to replace D-Rob because they don’t have another D-Rob in the wings. He postulates that while Betances was great last year he can’t really be counted on because he hasn’t done it over a long period of time. Heading off the “neither did Mariano when he replaced Wetteland” push back he further states that the odds are slim to none that Betances will be able to match what Mariano did. Clearly the odds are slim to none that Betances (or anyone else) will ever have the career Mariano did, but I would say the odds are perfectly good that Betances (or Miller) will emerge as an effective closer.

    If you do subscribe to the notion that the only good closer is a proven closer then it’s worth remembering that Andrew Bailey is also on the roster.

    • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

      Where does he come off saying Betances will close?

    • blake

      Joel is gettin worse every year…..he used to be a pretty good reporter that kinda stuck more to fact…..since the invent of twitter and since he started doing more radio and TV he really is just a speculation monger get these days

      • Chip

        It’s just so silly how far he tried to spin the Robertson defection into a “sky is falling” piece.

        • blake

          he’s very debbie downer these days

      • Chip

        It’s just so silly how far he tried to spin the Robertson defection into a “sky is falling” piece.

      • Scott

        He’s really good when reporting on other teams. When it comes to the Yanks, he tries to make them look bad.

    • Posada_20

      Sherman always puts a negative perspective on whatever move the Yanks make. He wrote “Yanks may regret trading Montero” 3 years ago when they made the Pineda trade too.

      • pfoj

        Seems like a pretty reasonable take at the time.

    • Posada_20

      Sherman always puts a negative perspective on whatever move the Yanks make. He wrote “Yanks may regret trading Montero” 3 years ago when they made the Pineda trade too.

  • Drew

    2 years in a row the Yankees let how grown elite talent walk away. So disappointing. I honestly believe this is going to bite them in the ass. The Yankees must really believe that Miller can replicate his insane 2014 season. Robertson stepped in for the GOAT with out fail, and this isn’t even a Cano type of blown away contract. 46 million when you give Miller 36 seems like a no brainer to me. Ugh. Dumb Dumb Dumb

  • Vern Sneaker

    Miller instead of Robertson for an average $2.5/yr.? I don’t get it.

  • calripyankee

    It won’t be Betances or Miller closing for the Yankees next year.. J Sherman has let it be known, 39 yr old Jason Grilli is “the man”… Wouldn’t shock me at all to see that scenario play out..

    • Dick M

      Gotta get that average age back up there.

      • calripyankee

        LMAO!!!!! It s the Yankee Way!!

      • calripyankee

        LMAO!!!!! It s the Yankee Way!!

    • Dick M

      Gotta get that average age back up there.

    • Rick

      I would love to see that. Leave Miller and Betances available for the meaningful outs and making sure we still have a lead in the 9th

      • calripyankee

        Oh boy!!! You must ve missed Grilli s 2014???

        • Rick

          His peripherals weren’t awful.

          • calripyankee

            No.. Just his on the field results…

            • Rick

              There is such a thing as buying low on a player and planning on their performance regressing back to the man. If you’ve never heard of that concept, I’m sorry. But the Yankees did the same thing with Headley just last year at the trade deadline.

        • Rick

          His peripherals weren’t awful.

      • calripyankee

        Oh boy!!! You must ve missed Grilli s 2014???

      • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

        Man Grilli better deliver or he will be booed out of the Stadium.
        Talk about pressure.
        I would rather get Soriano, who has proved he can close here.

        • Rick

          I’m on board with that. My point wasn’t predicated upon Grilli being the guy, but moreso the overall premise of bringing in a Closer TM. Let Miller and Betances do the heavy lifting before.

        • Rick

          I’m on board with that. My point wasn’t predicated upon Grilli being the guy, but moreso the overall premise of bringing in a Closer TM. Let Miller and Betances do the heavy lifting before.

        • Scott

          I’d rather have Romo

          • Scott

            Sergio Romo. Tony Romo sucks

            • The Great Gonzo

              I’d rather have Nomo

      • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

        Man Grilli better deliver or he will be booed out of the Stadium.
        Talk about pressure.
        I would rather get Soriano, who has proved he can close here.

    • Rick

      I would love to see that. Leave Miller and Betances available for the meaningful outs and making sure we still have a lead in the 9th

    • blake

      I mentioned this days ago if they let DRob go……if you can get grill cheaply then he gives you depth and you can let him close some low leverage games to save innings for dellin and miller

      • Chip

        Don’t need Grilli – or anyone else for that matter – if you want to have someone else close and leave Miller and Betances for other parts of the game, you already have Andrew Bailey on the roster.

        • pfoj

          He hasn’t pitched in over a year and is coming off shoulder surgery. I doubt anyone has any expectations for Bailey.

          • Chip

            Clearly the Yankees must – they re-signed him.

            • pfoj

              To a minor league deal.

            • pfoj

              To a minor league deal.

          • Chip

            Clearly the Yankees must – they re-signed him.

        • pfoj

          He hasn’t pitched in over a year and is coming off shoulder surgery. I doubt anyone has any expectations for Bailey.

        • blake

          The guy that’s not healthy?

          • Chip

            Not healthy right now…

            • Rick

              Not healthy.

        • blake

          The guy that’s not healthy?

      • Chip

        Don’t need Grilli – or anyone else for that matter – if you want to have someone else close and leave Miller and Betances for other parts of the game, you already have Andrew Bailey on the roster.

    • blake

      I mentioned this days ago if they let DRob go……if you can get grill cheaply then he gives you depth and you can let him close some low leverage games to save innings for dellin and miller

  • calripyankee

    It won’t be Betances or Miller closing for the Yankees next year.. J Sherman has let it be known, 39 yr old Jason Grilli is “the man”… Wouldn’t shock me at all to see that scenario play out..

  • Dick M

    First off, he’s a Yankee through and through. A stand-up guy, great off-the-field etc. Secondly, he’s durable with a repeatable delivery and no history of arm trouble. Last, he’s 29 for Christ sakes. You can’t let guys like that walk. (And where are all the DCAs who said not to worry about the budget?)

    Robertson should have been extended prior to Mariano’s last year. He’d have taken 3 and 27 or some such number. This is not hindsight. I’ve been arguing against what has PREDOMINANTLY been the org’s no extension policy for some time. Cano, Robertson and Gardner are foundation-type guys who need to be kept through their age 32-33 years. We only got one out of those 3 right. We need to stop screwing this up.

    • calripyankee

      I hate that policy as well..

    • calripyankee

      I hate that policy as well..

    • Drew

      I would kill for a Yankee to hit .333 this season, though I agree with your sentiment. Very annoying to watch Elite players come from the Yankees farm system and they walk away via Free Agency.

    • Drew

      I would kill for a Yankee to hit .333 this season, though I agree with your sentiment. Very annoying to watch Elite players come from the Yankees farm system and they walk away via Free Agency.

  • Dan A.

    I can’t believe they wouldn’t go up to something at least close to this. I thought 4/44 would be a great deal for D-Rob … 4/46 definitely isn’t worth letting him go. Bummer.

    • Drew

      Exactly they paid Miller 36 million, and they balked at an extra 2.5 million per for D-Rob? mind boggeling.

      • http://batman-news.com nyyankfan7

        They have people with much better baseball skill then those of us here at the RAB message board looking at these guys telling them whether or not they are worth the money.

    • Drew

      Exactly they paid Miller 36 million, and they balked at an extra 2.5 million per for D-Rob? mind boggeling.

  • Dan A.

    I can’t believe they wouldn’t go up to something at least close to this. I thought 4/44 would be a great deal for D-Rob … 4/46 definitely isn’t worth letting him go. Bummer.

  • handtius

    I understand letting Cano go for the money he was asking, but letting Robertson go for 10m over 4 yrs is bullshit. They’ve has 3 successful players come out of their system and Gardner is the only one left. This is very disappointing. Letting an AL East proven reliever, who dominates, go, is just foolish. I love Betances and MIller is a good signing, but neither have been as good as Robertson for as long as Robertson. Who knows if either can sustain their success like he has. I’ll go for Stupid Decisions for $800 Alex.

    • Drew

      I find it very troubling that they are relying the back-end of their pen on two guys who have only done it for one year.

      • blake

        Right now they wont have many leads anyway

        • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

          you dont count on bounce back years from beltran tex and mccann?

        • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

          you dont count on bounce back years from beltran tex and mccann?

      • Scott

        Hey lets go down memory lane. Remember when Mo set up Wetteland and only had one good year under his belt. Then took over and oh, I don’t know, kicked ass for 2 decades?
        Let’s not get our panties in a bunch until we see things play out. I liked DRob would have liked to see him resign, but I think the Yanks are looking at this a lot like they did Wetteland/Rivera. They can say they will sign another closer and that Miller and Betances will share the 9th, but when the season starts, I believe Dellin will be the closer.

        • handtius

          Difference is, Wetland wasn’t a Yankee farmhand and not as good as Robertson. He was always on the ropes like rocky.

    • http://batman-news.com nyyankfan7

      “I love Betances and MIller is a good signing, but neither have been as good as Robertson for as long as Robertson.”

      How many relievers are good for a long time? Probably what less than 1% of all relievers in all of baseball history have continued success for 5+ years? Remember Heath Bell? People couldn’t believe San Diego let him go to another team.

      • handtius

        Your right, but who knows. Everyone always thought Mo would fall off a cliff. There are legit reasons to think Robertson can be good in the long term. First, his fastball, while not as hard as miller or betances, has repeatedly gotten hitters out because of his long stride. Longest in baseball, which creates a release point that is hard to follow and also gives the batter less time to respond. Oh, and he throws a cutter and a curveball. That rate above average. i don’t know if the Yankees will regret it, but I bet Robertson is still elite for the next 4 yrs. I bet he has under a 3 era every year.

    • http://batman-news.com nyyankfan7

      “I love Betances and MIller is a good signing, but neither have been as good as Robertson for as long as Robertson.”

      How many relievers are good for a long time? Probably what less than 1% of all relievers in all of baseball history have continued success for 5+ years? Remember Heath Bell? People couldn’t believe San Diego let him go to another team.

  • handtius

    I understand letting Cano go for the money he was asking, but letting Robertson go for 10m over 4 yrs is bullshit. They’ve has 3 successful players come out of their system and Gardner is the only one left. This is very disappointing. Letting an AL East proven reliever, who dominates, go, is just foolish. I love Betances and MIller is a good signing, but neither have been as good as Robertson for as long as Robertson. Who knows if either can sustain their success like he has. I’ll go for Stupid Decisions for $800 Alex.

  • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

    This is a tremendous role of the dice. Letting the sure thing go over 2.5 AAV?

    • http://batman-news.com nyyankfan7

      Listen I like Drob as much as the next guy but I’m not going to call any reliever not named Mariano Rivera a “sure thing”. Drob had his warts same as anybody.

      • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

        He is a proven closer.
        We have no idea what they will do next as this is a new way of thinking but Soriano will be asking close to Drob money if Yanks pursue and they won’t bite. I can see the Grilli plan dirt cheap..

        • pfoj

          Soriano can ask for 4/46 all he wants, it’s not going to take anything close to that to sign him.

          • The Great Gonzo

            Im going to stab at Soriano’s next contract will be something like 2/16-18, which I would completely consider.

            • pfoj

              I’d really like to avoid a second year, but in the end I’d give him that.

        • pfoj

          Soriano can ask for 4/46 all he wants, it’s not going to take anything close to that to sign him.

        • http://batman-news.com nyyankfan7

          Proven closer? He did it for 1 season and it was statistically his worst in 5 years.

      • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

        He is a proven closer.
        We have no idea what they will do next as this is a new way of thinking but Soriano will be asking close to Drob money if Yanks pursue and they won’t bite. I can see the Grilli plan dirt cheap..

    • http://batman-news.com nyyankfan7

      Listen I like Drob as much as the next guy but I’m not going to call any reliever not named Mariano Rivera a “sure thing”. Drob had his warts same as anybody.

  • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

    This is a tremendous role of the dice. Letting the sure thing go over 2.5 AAV?

  • YankeeB

    The Yankees have to enter the 21st century as it relates to contract extensions and in-season negotiating. To let players like Cano and Robertson go without showing them some respect during the season is not the way to do business in this day and age. That being said, losing Robertson is disappointing but not devastating. Losing Cano, at least in the short term, was both.

    • http://batman-news.com nyyankfan7

      you have no idea whether or not they did or did not try to approach either one about an extension. Both players were due to hit free agency and collect huge pay days and they did, but don’t think that just because the Yankees didn’t resign them that they didn’t try. Both players have agents who are instructing their clients on how to make the most money; not how to keep Yankees fans happy.

      • Scott

        I’m pretty sure that once the Yanks didn’t offer him an extension in the off season DRob and his agent said they would just wait until after the season. I’ll see if I can find it.

        • http://batman-news.com nyyankfan7

          I’m sure this is true but can you blame the Yankees? What if Drob had sucked as a closer this year and they just signed him to a “team friendly” $9 mil / per year contract before the year? Then everyone would be on here still saying Cashman failed. You have to take gambles and some pay off and some don’t – we won’t know on this one until 2019. Drob may be good next year and turn into Heath Bell in 2016.

    • Y’s Guy

      I advocated strongly that they should extend Gardner and Drob going into last season. Too bad they only went halfway.

    • Y’s Guy

      I advocated strongly that they should extend Gardner and Drob going into last season. Too bad they only went halfway.

    • Fernandito Andujar

      Agree about contract extension point, but team did that for Gardner so they are changing. As for Cano, they “disrespected” him with an offer that had a higher AAV. He went for more money and they rightfully passed on extending another guy into his 40’s.

    • Fernandito Andujar

      Agree about contract extension point, but team did that for Gardner so they are changing. As for Cano, they “disrespected” him with an offer that had a higher AAV. He went for more money and they rightfully passed on extending another guy into his 40’s.

    • kurt wright

      You just nailed it!! That is my thinking also….the ridiculous idea that “We don’t negotiate during the season” is a ridiculous policy that may indeed have cost us two home grown players in Cano and Robertson. The policy should be to try to keep them off the open market by signing them to extensions so they don’t become free agents! Back in the late nineties we kept our home grown players like Bernie and the rest of them and we developed a great team that we were all proud to cheer for. Now we let our own players walk away. We couldn’t find a way to offer DRob between 10 and 11 million per year for 4 years? Way to go Cash! Now go waste 40 to 50 million on Headly and further hamper our own prospects.

  • YankeeB

    The Yankees have to enter the 21st century as it relates to contract extensions and in-season negotiating. To let players like Cano and Robertson go without showing them some respect during the season is not the way to do business in this day and age. That being said, losing Robertson is disappointing but not devastating. Losing Cano, at least in the short term, was both.

  • Y’s Guy

    I really liked Drob, but I always thought the plan was to offer the Q.O. knowing he’d decline it, then let him go and take the draft pick. When they signed Miller, I really hoped they’d bring Drob back, too. Unfortunately they were sticking to the original plan on Drob. But they did go get either the ‘next best’ or ‘next better’ guy in Miller, so given my expectations, I’m quite happy with the result. And the fact that Miller took less to come makes it even a little sweeter!

    • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

      This would lead one to believe that Miller will be the closer.

      • mitch

        i’m hopeful they’ll still bring in a “proven closer”. Ideally that guy picks up the traditional 2 and 3 run lead saves and Miller/Betances are used in the highest leverage situations and 1 run save situations.

        • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

          Usually relief pitchers have a defined role.
          I doubt there will be co-closers.

          • mitch

            well they would have defined roles…they would just be defined by leverage, not inning. Girardi probably isn’t progressive enough for something like that but you never know.

            • Y’s Guy

              he’s adapted in other ways over the years.

            • Rick

              I think if any manager is progressive enough for it, that it would be Joe.

        • Y’s Guy

          You really never know who’s going to succeed at closer. Round up the usual suspects if they’re cheap and give Lindgren a shot, too. If Dellinmiller ™ shuts teams down, someone can rise up and take that last inning.

      • mitch

        i’m hopeful they’ll still bring in a “proven closer”. Ideally that guy picks up the traditional 2 and 3 run lead saves and Miller/Betances are used in the highest leverage situations and 1 run save situations.

  • Fernandito Andujar

    Goodness. I liked Robertson and wish him well, but he isn’t worth Papelbon money. The team can fill that closer role with someone cheaper, while Betances and Miller can dominate the earlier innings. The team needs starting pitching and should focus their efforts there. The budget isn’t unlimited and it isn’t our money. Sure, I would love for them to just eat Arod’s contract, but eating his deal and Tex and CC is not going to happen.

    The Red Sox were wise to cash in their free agency eligible players last year. I was advocating that same thing last year. Guys like Kuroda, Suzuki, Kelley, Cervelli and Robertson had trade value. More so, since Yanks tend to lose draft picks by signing free agents. It would be a hard move to say you were quitting on the season, but it would have helped the team add talent. Lots of people hated it when they moved on from Mattingly, but they got a great replacement in Tino and went on a great run. I am condident they will replace Robertson and hope that player will enjoy success.

    And for those that say the team is cheap, they just spent a ton of money to add international talent to their club. Hope they spend some more to add Yoan Moncada.

    • ACX

      Even Papelbon isn’t worth Papelbon money…

  • Drew

    Serious Question: As of today who is the better team, the White Sox or the Yankees?

    • calripyankee

      White Sox..

    • calripyankee

      White Sox..

    • The Great Gonzo

      Feels like a trolling question, but I would answer honestly… Yankees by a MUCH thinner margin than I am comfortable with. I think the Yankees have a deeper rotation (scary as that may sound), because after Shark/Sale I am not sold… White Sox have more power offensively since Abreu actually outhomered the 2014 Yankees…. We have Dellin, which is possibly the best setup man in the game right now, so I think our bullpen has the edge.

      The more I look at it, the less comfortable I am that the Yankees are better at this very moment.

      • Rick

        Jose Quintana is quite good. Rodon should be an impact rookie. Nice signing of LaRoche.

      • Drew

        Not trolling at all, with the Shark/Robertson signing along with the acquistions of LaRoche and Duke, it makes Chicago a very interesting team in a weak division. I would personally say they are better than the Yankees right now. Sale is a top 5 starter in MLB and Shark/Quintana are as solid #2-3 starters you can get. Yankees have 3 injury questions at the top of their rotation. I would give the Yankees the edge in only the pen.

        • The Great Gonzo

          Quintana is kind of an unknown though, right? Didn’t he fall off pretty hard last year or am I making shit up?

          I also think the Yankees have a ‘longer’ lineup, albeit one with a shit ton more question marks.

    • blake

      I’ll go White Sox on paper…..but they always end up sucking anyway. I would bet the Yankees win more games in 2015 than they do……

  • Drew

    Serious Question: As of today who is the better team, the White Sox or the Yankees?

  • Eric in the ATL

    I don’t like seeing our home-grown players leave. We got spoiled by George for decades. However, closers are eminently replaceable, often with guys who weren’t even on the radar. Our bullpen will be fine. We need to bolster the rotation and infield.

    • blake

      Really this is the truth…..it’s hard to see DRob go. He was one of my favorites the last few years…..but from a business standpoint it really doesn’t make a lot of sense to invest nearly 90 million dollars in the bullpen when they need so many other things

    • blake

      Really this is the truth…..it’s hard to see DRob go. He was one of my favorites the last few years…..but from a business standpoint it really doesn’t make a lot of sense to invest nearly 90 million dollars in the bullpen when they need so many other things

    • http://batman-news.com nyyankfan7

      Spoiled by George for decades? Had George had control of the team when DRob was a prospect he would have probably been dealt for a 42 year former closer coming off TJS.

      • Eric in the ATL

        Good point! George wouldn’t let popular players leave town, though — with the exception of Reggie back in ’82 (I think that was the year).

  • Dan A.

    My pick for cheap outside closer is Sergio Romo. He has the experience, including in the playoffs to get it done. If they don’t bring in someone new, I hope they stick Betances there and use him how Mo was used for years–4-6 outs at a time.

  • Dan A.

    My pick for cheap outside closer is Sergio Romo. He has the experience, including in the playoffs to get it done. If they don’t bring in someone new, I hope they stick Betances there and use him how Mo was used for years–4-6 outs at a time.

  • Captain Clutch

    It seems like money is tight this off season and every move being made is to save money. To not even offer Robertson a contract is absolutely disgusting. It’s obvious that Hal doesn’t want to spend money. They aren’t involved with Lester, they jumped on Miller because he was cheaper than Robertson. I really hope that they don’t sign Headley for 4 years because that wouldn’t make any sense.

    • Dude

      How do you know that ten million is not being allocated as part of a deal for Lester?

      • ACX

        Or Headley or Scherzer? They just gave Miller 4/36. For a reliever! Yeah real tight!

    • Chip

      Maybe they jumped on Miller because the notion of having a dominant LHRP appeals to them and they felt they could pair him with Betances and have the nastiest combo in the league.

      They were still in on Robertson last night – he got a better offer…good for him.

    • FriarFlyer

      They offered DRob a one year QO at 15.3M $

    • Masahiro Odell Nakamura Jr

      It makes sense not to jump on him. Take away all our love for D-Rob and realize this: Yankees got a reliever who is just as good, maybe a bit worse, maybe a bit better, close at least, for 10m less, got a 33rd overall pick too. Spending 4/82 on two bullpen pitchers really does not make sense. 20.5 a year on those two, sign Lester instead for that money. I hope they use that money to sign Headley and maybe McCarthy, both players would probably get around and will get around Robertson’s annual value give or take 5m or so. Those two will help the team much more than D-Rob could.

      I’ll miss Robertson, but the Yankees made a good move here. If they sign D-Rob, they would’ve had to go to 250m+ to even have a chance to contend.

  • Captain Clutch

    It seems like money is tight this off season and every move being made is to save money. To not even offer Robertson a contract is absolutely disgusting. It’s obvious that Hal doesn’t want to spend money. They aren’t involved with Lester, they jumped on Miller because he was cheaper than Robertson. I really hope that they don’t sign Headley for 4 years because that wouldn’t make any sense.

  • Dude

    Drob was not an Eckersly type he gave up a lot of leads and many times was shaky. Im not all that upset be is gone. The team needs starters and guys who are quality starters.

  • Dude

    Drob was not an Eckersly type he gave up a lot of leads and many times was shaky. Im not all that upset be is gone. The team needs starters and guys who are quality starters.

  • Bret The Hitman

    What about that BS report Lester was going to sign before the morning but after 9pm? That was obviously aimed at one of the bidders in that auction (or not in that auction).

    • Rick

      May have worked – if you believe in mystery teams and one being at 7/175 (not sure I believe that, he prob would’ve signed by now).

    • Dude

      Quite possible Cashman is working a deal for Lester as we speak and maybe the extra ten million was needed.

    • Game 3

      Bill Simmons?

  • Eric in the ATL

    To me, what’s really surprising is that the Tigers apparently didn’t make a play for Miller or Robertson. Talk about a team that desperately needs bullpen help!

    • Drew

      I am surprised the Dodgers didn’t jump in either. That is a team desperate for BP help, it killed them in the playoffs. Mattingly had to leave Kershaw in there on 3 days rest because he literally had nobody to go to.

      • Eric in the ATL

        That neither the Dodgers or Tigers ponied up for Miller or Robertson just goes to show that teams don’t want to invest heavily in the bullpen.

    • Rick

      There are a lot of ways to improve your bullpen that don’t include spending $11-12M per year on a closer.

  • Bret The Hitman

    So the White Sox gave up their pick in the draft?

    • Chip

      No – White Sox pick is protected.

      • Bret The Hitman

        Do we still get a comp pick?

        • Rick

          Yup, still between the 1st and 2nd rounds

        • blake

          yes…..so if they do sign Scherzer they’ll still get a 1st rounder pick….it’ll just be 30 somethinith instead of 17th

        • Chip

          Yes, which, if my math is correct, would right now be the 33rd pick overall.

          • Bret The Hitman

            Is that high for the supplemental round? How is that figured?

            • Rick

              Yea, the highest you can get is 31. It takes place in between the first and second rounds.

              • Bret The Hitman

                Cool so how did we get to 33? Will that change?

                • Rick

                  Not sure how he got to 33, but I’m assuming that since the Astros didn’t sign Aiken, there is a pick to be added for them – even though it’s much better than a supplemental pick obviously. Don’t know if another player wasn’t signed during last year’s draft or if a team higher in the draft order than the White Sox has signed a player yet. 33 probably sounds right at this point.

    • Let’s Go Yanks

      2nd round pick. First round is protected

    • Rick

      Their second rounder

      • Chip

        But that doesn’t matter to the Yankees – they get a pick at the end of the first round (technically the supplemental round but those picks start wherever the first round ends.)

        • Rick

          Yup

  • Yank88

    Now that we have that Second rounder… Would it make more sense to go after Scherzer?

    • Yank88

      Second rounder ( draft pick )

      • Chip

        I would rather sign Lester and keep both picks.

        • blake

          as would I…..

          • Chip

            I think it’s going to happen.

            Yankees will come away from this offseason with:
            Miller, Wilson, Headley, Lester, Moncado and Kenta Medea.

            • blake

              I really don’t…..but I hope you’re right. Cash really would have to be stealth to do that under everyone’s noses.

              How awesome would it be though if Lester signed with the yankees after Boston made him a 4/70 offer last spring……

              • Dude

                I don’t see what is so stealth he could meet Lester’s agents and make the offer this morning or late last night.

                • blake

                  because it’s been reported for weeks that the yankees weren’t in and weren’t getting in…..it’s been reported that the final 4 were the Cubs, Sox, Dodgers, and Giants. If Cashman jumps in at the ends and beats all those teams then I’d call that pretty stealthy.

                  • Dude

                    When they signed Tex there were absolutely no reports of them be i ng involved then voila.

                    • blake

                      I think it’s harder to keep things quiet now than it was then but still…..that was stealthy with was my point.

                    • Dude

                      6 years? not that long ago bro. The point is Lester could wind up a Yankee just as easily. If he does then you can jump on the bandwagon.

                    • Rick

                      And his point would still remain that it was stealthy. Why are you trying to fight him over this? There has been no connection of Lester to the Yankees. If Cashman signed him on the even of his signing, that by definition would be stealthy – as Blake said.

                    • Dude

                      I walk into his agents hotel room and say u found the extra ten million needed what do you say? That us a five minute conversation.

                    • Rick

                      Which does nothing to address anything he said, nor does it even remotely discount his opinion. It’s ok to be wrong.

              • Chip

                Can’t believe I forgot Didi!

                Sweeny Murti has been saying something the last few weeks that I totally agree with – how many Yankee championship teams are there that didn’t have a dominant lefty in the rotation? I can’t think of any. Lester makes so much more sense to me than Max does.

            • blake

              and Didi! That would be a pretty amazing offseason…..but I don’t see it.

              I think it’ll be Didi, Miller, Headley, Moncada, and maybe Scherzer…..we have to see on that one.

            • blake

              If Lester’s team calls this morning and says 7/160 and he’s yours….what are you saying?

              • Chip

                Done. I don’t worry about Lester’s body falling apart like CC’s and I think that even with diminished stuff towards the back end of that contract he will, at worst, be what Andy was towards the end of his run in terms of effectiveness.

                • blake

                  thats a lot of money for a 30+ year old not super elite pitcher…..Lester is really good but he’s more Andy than Felix hernandez over the next 7 seasons IMO.

                  That said…..he is really good and he gives you a shot short term…..and if you play it right by the time his contract is a mess….Tex, Arod, and CC should be gone.

                  • Dude

                    Looked pretty good at Yankee Stadium

                  • Chip

                    I love Tank and I love Big Mike – but I don’t trust either of them to be healthy right now. Lester can slot in between them and if one goes down the team doesn’t miss a beat.

                    I’m also investing in a guy who I know can handle the spotlight, the AL East and all the nonsense that comes with it.

                    Like you said, by the time he starts to decline, Alex, Tex and CC will be off the books so the back part of the contract shouldn’t be too much of a hindrance.

                    • blake

                      you don’t have to try hard to sell me on Lester……it makes no sense to me that there are reports that Hal won’t authorize spending on him but might for Scherzer? That gives me some hope that they have been playing the media the whole time…..we will find out soon I guess.

                    • Chip

                      I feel like the Yankees were trying for Robertson first – end games after 5 or 6 innings and you can avoid investing in the rotation quite so much.

                      Now that he’s off the board they’ll go big game hunting for the rotation.

                      We all mocked Cashman for his “pitching is the key to the kingdom” statement a couple of years ago – but unless his viewpoint has changed I don’t foresee him being comfortable heading into the season with a rotation that includes 3 injury risks (Tank, Pineda, CC) and some combination of Warren, Phelps, Mitchell, ManBan, Whitley, filling out the back end.

                    • blake

                      I think if they do jump in a the end though then no Headley and probably not much else……

                    • Bret The Hitman

                      STOP right where you are.

                    • Chip

                      I’m sticking to my guns – Headley, Moncado, Medea still coming to the Yankees with Lester.

                      And if it means passing on Headley – my stance on that hasn’t changed either – sign Juan Francisco and let him platoon with Alex or Prado at 3b.

                • Bret The Hitman

                  Yeah does Lester have any Captain Crunch addiction we should know of or any diagnoses of diabetes mellitus?

              • Bobbi

                7 years is crazy.

                • blake

                  it’s all crazy though man…..the market itself is crazy…..you either have to embrace the madness or not get any players.

                  • Bobbi

                    Sigh. Very true. At least he’s a lefty…I guess you roll the dice.

                    • blake

                      I don’t know if I’d do it or not…..but if I did my reasoning would be that in 3 or 4 years when he goes south there will be a ton of money coming off the books so they should be in a better place to absorb it.

                    • Dude

                      Dont worry the multi billionaire owners can stomach the cost.

              • Rick

                I’d say where’s he going if we say no.

              • Masahiro Odell Nakamura Jr

                No way, 6 years at most. 6/160 is more worth it than 7/160. About 4m more a year.

                • blake

                  how is 6 years of something for 160 million better than 7 years of something for 160 million…..all you’re doing there is increasing the AAV and getting less years for the same money

                  • Masahiro Odell Nakamura Jr

                    At a glance it seems like its bad, but I think years is more important than money. If you figure Lester declines badly, which I’m sure you do, wouldn’t you rather him off the books earlier? Like with A-Rod, if they could’ve shaved off 2 extra years by paying more annually, it would be more worth it. No point in getting the supposed better value of 6/160 vs. 7/160 if you figure he will be bad by then. Take the less years, pay the extra 4m per year.

                    If he is going to be great and decent during all 7 years, then yes 7/160 is better. But everyone and their mother thinks that Lester has 3-4 great years left and should decline and be bad during years 5-7. That’s why you take 6 years with a higher AVG.

      • mitch

        there are reasons not to sign Scherzer, but I don’t think you can really worry about the draft pick when you’re talking about a signing of that magnitude. I’d only factor that in for a guy like Liriano.

    • blake

      I don’t think you make the decision to chase Scherzer primarily because of that……that has to be a decision mostly based on how much you like him and how you think he’ll age.

      If the Yankees think Scherzer helps them win a title in the next 3 or 4 years then it’s probably worth it even if you have to give the pick……having the pick for Drob just lessens the blow a little

    • Captain Clutch

      I have a feeling that the yanks will go after McCarthy or one of the lesser pitchers and will stay away from Scherzer.

  • Dude

    Only the shadow knows.

  • Y’s Guy

    This year is really going to challenge Girardi. In the bullpen, he has the righty/lefty mirror image of 2 guys who can shut down the middle innings of any game. This is different for Joe, who’s (very good to excellent) bridge-building always relied on a couple of 7th inning guys, an 8th inning guy and a one inning closer. He adapted to using Betances a little differently last season, lets see what he can do with 2 of them in the middle and someone else to close.
    And then there’s Prado. If they bring in Headley and Refsnyder can hit, Joe’s going to have the ability to float Prado all over a la Joe Maddon. Joe’s really never had that before.

    • calripyankee

      Wilson and Kelley will fill in as well.. Warren was the forgotten man out if the pen.. Reports are, the Yankees told him to prepare for next season, as a SP.. That’s a good bull-pen arm lost, if he is.

      • Chip

        They’ll also have Jacob Lindgren and Tyler Webb from the left side and Danny Burawa, Brandon Pinder and Jose Ramirez from the right side in the mix for bullpen spots.

        • calripyankee

          Yankees have a lot of young hard throwing bull-pen options.. Plus, E Rogers is back.

          • Chip

            Yup – I’m truly not worried about the state of their bullpen

    • Masahiro Odell Nakamura Jr

      I think he’ll be fine. Two shut down 7/8 innings guys is better than one.

  • calripyankee

    Beltran can’t possibly be as bad next season can he?? And the 2nd year after wrist surgery like Teix had, is said to be better, so he ll have a better season?? And McCann getting acclimated to the AL and a new pitching staff, means he ll have a better season at the plate?? Room for optimism there, or a pipe dream??

    • Let’s Go Yanks

      Agree with Beltran and McCann. Teixeira, he is what he is.

      • BigDavey88

        Probably right about Tex, but I’m still gonna hold out hope and root for him. A year removed from wrist issues can only help.

    • Masahiro Odell Nakamura Jr

      Teixeira probably not, but Beltran and McCann should do better, especially Beltran because of the injury. I also don’t see how its possible McCann does worse than he did this year, so he should do better.

      • Mandy Stankiewicz

        McCann lead the AL catchers (and the Yankees) in home runs and tops a lot of defensive metrics:

        “McCann has been the best defensive catcher in terms of framing pitches this season, with 11.3 framing runs saved. He has gained 73.5 extra strikes when behind the plate, second only to Miguel Montero among all catchers.”

        “He has gotten called strikes on 11.1 percent of all pitches taken outside the zone, the third-best rate among qualified catchers this season.”

        “In terms of pitch blocking, he ranks fourth in both runs saved (1.6) and the number of passed balls/wild pitches saved (5.8).”

        “He threw out 29 of 78 attempted base-stealers, a 37.2% success rate that was by far a career-high.”

        Not to mention learning a new team of pitchers and getting career performances from guys like Betances, Greene, and McCarthy. Is that all McCann, no. But it’s certainly part of his workload for a new catcher. You can’t write this guy off as ‘horrible.’

    • TCF16

      I’m not sure if you know how time works, but Beltran is getting older, not younger.

      • calripyankee

        Thank you Captain Obvious!!!!! Of course he a getting older, but, he s been a solid player his whole career, that s an awful steep decline in one year… Hopefully injuries played a part and he s healthy now..

  • Didi Greddardgorious

    I supported letting Drob walk. 4 years, $46 million, too rich for the Steinbrenner blood. Delin can close just fine, might even be better. Andrew Miller is an elite set up man. We’ll have as good a shutdown tandem in 8-9 as anyone. Kelley, BGDP, Esmil, we have the makings of a great pen and the FO is finally trying to get younger, something I’ve been saying for years.

    • Let’s Go Yanks

      I still think they add a RP with closer experience.

      Another key to the pen will be Lindgren, and whether he refines his control and then makes it to the bigs. To a lesser degree Rumbelow, Webb, Pazos, etc. I am more inclined to trust SP turned RP in being able to dominate rather than college closer/reliever who come to the minor leagues (DRob being an exception). If healthy, Jose Ramirez is another option to consider.

  • Eric MacLaurin

    Miller for Robertson, 10 mil and a first round choice seems like a good deal to me.

    I like Robertson as the more proven commodity but like Miller as an elite lefty that we don’t have and think Robertson is a bigger injury risk. I would have liked to have both of them in the pen but as long as we don’t replace him with someone worse for a small savings I think this is probably a worthwhile place to save money given the number of good relief arms in AAA.

    • blake

      yea I can get on board with the line of thinking…..I’ve said that if the money was close I’d prefer Drob and I would…..10 million is kinda a push point for me. It’s significant money and they do get a pick…..

      • Eric MacLaurin

        Another way I look at it is I’d take Lester over Robertson and Headley, who at 12 each equal what Lester is going to make.

        • blake

          If they did that then absolutely

  • Bret The Hitman

    We traded from the rotation (S. Greene) and saved money on DRob. Where is Lester? Headley’s top choice is NYY. Where is he?

    • blake

      as Eric mentioned….if the Yankees are considering Lester or Scherzer then they could be weighing buying 1 of them vs signing Headley and McCarthy etc…..it’s unlikely they sign everyone….it may be an either or situation and if they are having any conversations with Lester or Scherzer…..Headley may be having to wait until they decide.

      If the Yanks decide to sign Lester or Scherzer I don’t see they doing a lot else that costs significant money.

      • Bret The Hitman

        I think Headley is a given. I think the deliberation is between a big name pitcher (Lester/Scherzer) vs. a big name bat (Kemp/Upton/Moncada).

        • blake

          Moncada is a separate situation…..they should sign him no matter what IMO if they think he’s a potential star infielder

          • Bret The Hitman

            Then it’s settled… Headley + Lester + Moncada.

            • blake

              that would be…..amazing

  • Eric in the ATL

    I love DRob, but I have to say I never felt like the game was over when he came in the way I always did with Mo. And last year, when Betances came in I was shocked if the opposing team scored a run — or even put two men on base! (Miller showed the same kind of dominance for the Red Sox and O’s.). When DRob came in for the 9th, I often felt like I had to hold my breath until the final out. He’s a great pitcher — don’t get me wrong — but he IS replaceable.

    • FriarFlyer

      Too many 4 and 5 batter ninths with DRob it seemed. Never a clean 1-2-3 without a lot of 3-2 counts

  • Let’s Go Yanks

    From Daily News:

    BACKING OFF CHASE: The Yankees appear to be backing off their pursuit of Chase Headley, who reportedly has a four-year, $65 million offer already in hand.

    The Yankees would give Headley four years, a source said, but for a much lower average annual value, most likely in the $13 million range.

    • blake

      this is the get real or we are moving on leak…..

      • Let’s Go Yanks

        It might also be enjoy your time in Houston/Florida!

        • blake

          could be but it’s probably an attempt to prod him along…..seems unlikely that the Giants would move on him without knowing the result of the Lester decision.

          • Bret The Hitman

            Which begs the question.. what is their backup plan to Headley?

            • Chip

              Juan Francisco?

            • blake

              the Yankees? Prado at 3B and Refs at 2B most likely……

              • Let’s Go Yanks

                they are going to need to bring in some sort of 2b with experience to make Pirela/Refs earn it in ST

                • blake

                  Steven Drew for cheap? Not sure who else fits that bill

                  • Bret The Hitman

                    He definitely slipped Spanish Fly in your moonshine there Rosco P. Coltrane.

                    • blake

                      if it costs like 2 million bucks then they could do worse than Drew at 2b for depth and to give Refs more time if needed……it’s not the ideal plan but if they don’t get headily…..

                    • Bret The Hitman

                      I hear banjos.

                    • blake

                      lol

                • Chip

                  You go with Francisco at 3b against RHP, and Prado or Alex there against LHP.

      • Bret The Hitman

        Every year we get better at decoding this stuff, or worse.

      • Chip

        Could also mean that they have something in place with Lester?

        • blake

          it “could” but I dunno…..I’m not getting my hopes up on Lester until Cashman announces it…..hopefully wearing one of those #CashmanFailed Tshirts

          • FriarFlyer

            Would you come to NY if you were Lester not knowing how the roster may fill

    • Rick Myles

      This is more proof that Hal and Randy are in full cut the payroll mode. I’m tired of watching teams with half the payroll play in the WS. So hear this Cashman….you will have to spend less money.

  • whileaway

    IMO D-Rob could have easily accepted the 1 yr QO for 15+ million . He could have gotten north of 50 million if he played his cards right. 15+ for a very good 2015 and then sign a 3 yr deal for 36 million .
    I don´t think the FO was too happy with his decision to reject the QO.

    I for one hope NY is in on Clippard. He´s rumored to be available. 1 year @ 9+

    • Rick Myles

      No player is going to take the risk they could have a serious injury while playing on a 1 year contract when they know they can get a 3-4 year deal that provides security.

      • FriarFlyer

        No worse than getting hurt or having a bad year in your contract year.

    • michaelNYCUSA

      I agree with the QO situation, and we need to keep in mind Drob’s leverage with the Yanks ( and the industry) was severely cut when Miller took a few $ less than thought….so while Drob signed for what is reasonable now, we dont know what he would have signed for before Miller – and we cannot assume would have taken the same deal from the Yanks if so offered…
      I look at it that the Yanks saved $6mm this year and a draft pick ( difference between QO and Miller) and got a similar pitcher…of course there are trade-offs, but if that 6mm is helping get Headley or McCarthy, then its money well spent

  • Let’s Go Yanks

    Yanks are just weird sometimes when they choose to switch from austerity/value to outlandish spending. They switch their plans way too much.

    • Rick

      Not signing D-Rob does not at all indicate a change in philosophy.

      • Let’s Go Yanks

        I am talking about last offseason to this one. Ellsbury was NOT a value signing at all. They are inconsistent.

        • Rick

          Depends how much you value defense and base running, and at what positions.

        • Havok9120

          They saw a chance to revitalize the offense and took it. They’ve now shot their bolt and are up against their payroll wall for the year. This is not a strange concept.

  • Let’s Go Yanks

    Funny stuff: Astros and Headley – good luck with that one Chase (he better hope the Giants do not get Lester) – more from dailynews

    But, like Robertson, his market has also exploded, with the Houston Astros believed to have offered him five years, $65 million and the Giants likely to get heavily engaged with him if they lose out in the Lester sweepstakes.

  • http://batman-news.com Thunderfingers

    One of the very few positives I can take away from this is that we don’t have to hear “Sweet Home Alabama” anymore as Robertson enters the game. I hate that song and I don’t feel it’s fitting for a closer.
    Other than that, losing Robertson sucks. He did an excellent job and seemed to be a good guy on and off the field.

    • Let’s Go Yanks

      We will always have 2009 ALDS with DRob. And Mauer’s double/non-double.

    • blake

      he’s from Alabama….seemed pretty darn fitting for him personally.

    • Mandy Stankiewicz

      We still have Gardner’s strange country walk-on music.

    • Game 3

      True. Terrible song.

  • Rick Myles

    Somebody must have had a little too much late night drinky to actual put in print that Shawn Kelley would be a viable closer. Sure, if you don’t mind a dozen blown saves…and that’s probably too optimistic. And now go out and get a cheap closer? Cheap closer = lousy pitcher. Very strange move to let Robertson walk over a relatively small differential in money. Indicates that Hal wants to reduce payroll.

    • Rick

      Kelly’s performance wasn’t “all that far off” from Robertson’s last year. Their FIPs were within half a run of each other. He’ll make $1.75M this year. … Find me any evidence at all that suggests a cheap closer = lousy pitcher. Please. There just is zero evidence of that.

      • FIPster Doofus

        We’ve now seen back-to-back years of Kelley’s results lagging far behind his peripherals. His K rate is very nice, but he gives up way too many fly balls.

    • Canarsie Yankee

      I’d rather the Yankees use the stronger pitcher one run up with the heart of the opposing order, whether that’s in the ninth or not. If that means Kelley has some saves, so be it.

  • Captain Clutch

    John Harper

    7 minutes ago
    However, source today says Yanks remain committed to avoid mega-deal for No. 1-type starter, believe Tanaka, Pineda are strong 1-2 at top.

    • Bret The Hitman

      smh

      • Guest

        yo

    • Bret The Hitman

      No Lester better mean Matt Kemp.

    • TripleShortOfACycle

      Can’t make this stuff up.

    • ropeadope1

      Harper, pffft. What does the kid say?

  • Canarsie Yankee

    Congrats to Robertson. Nice payday.

  • Mandy Stankiewicz

    Good luck, DRob, wishing you success (against everyone but the Yankees). Hoping this is the right move for the Bronx.